Re: iPhone's e-mails with attached photos.

[GerardJan]

NoOp wrote:

On 05/13/2012 01:33 PM, David E. Ross wrote:

On 5/13/12 12:30 PM, Ant wrote:

On 5/13/2012 11:18 AM PT, David E. Ross typed:


Photos taken with the iPhone upside-down or sideways are automatically
reoriented when displayed by the iPhone.  There is a flag in the image
file that indicates the orientation of the iPhone when the photo was
taken and a sensor in the iPhone that indicates the current orientation.

There has been much debate about whether to reorient photos in TBird and
SeaMonkey's mail-news according the the flag.  See bug #298619 at
.


Wow! I thought there was something wrong with my old computer/SeaMonkey!
Do I assume other e-mail clients, beside Mozilla's, do this too? I am
getting more and more iPhone's sent photographs/photos. these days. :(


I don't know about other E-mail clients.  I understand that not all
digital cameras set the EXIF flag, especially older cameras.

The real problem is that there are few (if any) tools to tweak the EXIF
flag.  Thus, a photo that has been manually rotated (e.g., via
Micro$oft's Photo Editor) will be again rotated -- incorrectly -- by an
application that does check the EXIF flag because the sender was not
able to reset that flag.

Frankly, I still consider photos from phones to be of poorer quality
than photos from an actual camera.  I use a Canon digital camera and do
not have any kind of smart phone.  I always view my photos and often
resize and crop them before sending them via E-mail.  In the process, I
manually rotate those that require reorientation.

I have yet to find a specification for the EXIF flag.  Thus, I cannot
manually reset the flag with my hex editor if I manually rotate a photo.



I think you may be looking for the Orientation Tag? Dec 274 Hex 112.
See the EXIF spec(s) 2.2 or 2.3.
This may be of some use (I've not tried it - yet):





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Re: iPhone's e-mails with attached photos.

[hawker]

Really? That's crazy. But this explains why some programs know my cannon 
camera images are flipped and some do not.


Why don't they just actually flip it to match the accelerometer setting 
not set a flag? I know that is how my Win 6.5 phone handles it.  Seems 
that would be better for all.


On 5/13/2012 2:18 PM, David E. Ross wrote:

On 5/13/12 9:06 AM, Ant wrote:

Hi!

Is it me or do iPhone e-mails, with attached photos., are shown the
wrong way like upside down? Do you guys have this problem or just me?
The senders say their sent e-mailed images look fine in their sent folder.

Thank you in advance. :)


Photos taken with the iPhone upside-down or sideways are automatically
reoriented when displayed by the iPhone.  There is a flag in the image
file that indicates the orientation of the iPhone when the photo was
taken and a sensor in the iPhone that indicates the current orientation.

There has been much debate about whether to reorient photos in TBird and
SeaMonkey's mail-news according the the flag.  See bug #298619 at
.



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Need Windows Media Player plugin for SM 2.91 that works with WIN 7 x64

[Arnie Goetchius]

Anybody have a link for the correct plugin? When I go to a site like 
http://www.odyovi.com/greece/athens/free-online-greek-tv/watch-live/mega-tv 
and try to run it on SM 2.91 and Win7 x64, it tells me I need to install 
WMP 11.0. When I try to install, it fails.

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Re: iPhone's e-mails with attached photos.

[GerardJan]

hawker wrote:

Really? That's crazy. But this explains why some programs know my cannon
camera images are flipped and some do not.

Why don't they just actually flip it to match the accelerometer setting
not set a flag? I know that is how my Win 6.5 phone handles it.  Seems
that would be better for all.

On 5/13/2012 2:18 PM, David E. Ross wrote:

On 5/13/12 9:06 AM, Ant wrote:

Hi!

Is it me or do iPhone e-mails, with attached photos., are shown the
wrong way like upside down? Do you guys have this problem or just me?
The senders say their sent e-mailed images look fine in their sent
folder.

Thank you in advance. :)


Photos taken with the iPhone upside-down or sideways are automatically
reoriented when displayed by the iPhone.  There is a flag in the image
file that indicates the orientation of the iPhone when the photo was
taken and a sensor in the iPhone that indicates the current orientation.

There has been much debate about whether to reorient photos in TBird and
SeaMonkey's mail-news according the the flag.  See bug #298619 at
.





¿!even Apple make mistakes or trics?!

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Re: Need Windows Media Player plugin for SM 2.91 that works with WIN 7 x64

[Jim Taylor]

Arnie Goetchius wrote:

Anybody have a link for the correct plugin? When I go to a site like
http://www.odyovi.com/greece/athens/free-online-greek-tv/watch-live/mega-tv
and try to run it on SM 2.91 and Win7 x64, it tells me I need to
install WMP 11.0. When I try to install, it fails.


I have the Microsoft Windows Media Player Firefox Plugin  version 
1.0.0.8 installed and that video plays for me.


See if these two links help.

Instructions:
http://kb.mozillazine.org/Windows_Media_Player

Link to download:
http://www.interoperabilitybridges.com/windows-media-player-firefox-plugin-download 



Jim

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Re: Seamonkey installation mystery

[Ray_Net]

David Lawler wrote, On 14/05/2012 04:56:

hawker wrote:

On 5/10/2012 11:58 PM, David Lawler wrote:

This totally mystifies me. A week ago I installed SM 2.9.1, apparently
successfully, replacing (I thought) 1.1.19. I noticed right away my
computer ran slower. Finally, on Monday or Tuesday of this week, things
were so bad I had to give up and reboot.

So, imagine my surprise when, after rebooting, I was again running
1.1.19. I went through the process of again installing 2.9.1, again
apparently successfully. Then, again this (Thu) evening, my computer 
was
again tied in knots so bad I had to reboot. Again, SM 1.1.19 was 
running

after the reboot.

Does anyone have any idea what is going on? How does 1.1.19 survive the
installation of 1.9.1? (I actually used an intermediate step, making 
the

actual conversion from 1.1.19 to 2.X.X in SM 2.0.5, my old profile
imported ok, then upgrading to 2.9.1.)

Win XP3, up to date, 2.5 gb memory. With 1.1.19 running, I could go
weeks without rebooting. Something is odd here.

Dave


This is what will happen if you try to install the upgrade with USER and
not ADMINISTRATOR privileges (I just made the same mistake on my
multi-media computer yesterday). Is that what was going on? Are you sure
you had Administrator privileges?



Thanks everyone for your ideas. As near as I can tell, I was running 
as Administrator.


A brief summary of what I did: 1) I uninstalled SM1 and installed SM2; 
2) SM2 installed ok but did not migrate my profile; 3) after several 
attempts and much research I decided to sleep on it; 4) I re-installed 
SM1 as I had to check my email; 5) I re-installed SM2 (with SM1 still 
installed); 6) SM2 installed ok and this time successfully migrated my 
profile; 7) I uninstalled SM1 so I no longer have the odd boot 
problem; SM2 works fine, except it seems to get itself tied up in 
knots pretty quickly, requiring SM2 to be shut down and re-started, if 
not a full re-boot.


Hope this is helpful to others.

DL
Due to the fact that SM2 is using the migrated profile, you can 
un-install SM2 - re-boot the pc -> then install SM2.

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Re: Need Windows Media Player plugin for SM 2.91 that works with WIN 7 x64

[Arnie Goetchius]

Jim Taylor wrote:

Arnie Goetchius wrote:

Anybody have a link for the correct plugin? When I go to a site like
http://www.odyovi.com/greece/athens/free-online-greek-tv/watch-live/mega-tv

and try to run it on SM 2.91 and Win7 x64, it tells me I need to
install WMP 11.0. When I try to install, it fails.


I have the Microsoft Windows Media Player Firefox Plugin version 1.0.0.8
installed and that video plays for me.

See if these two links help.

Instructions:
http://kb.mozillazine.org/Windows_Media_Player

Link to download:
http://www.interoperabilitybridges.com/windows-media-player-firefox-plugin-download


Jim

I was able to install it using the above link and it works for Firefox 
but not for SM 2.91. I'll have to read the above instructions and see if 
I can find a clue of why it won't work.

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Thanks from a win 2000 user

[lightandhope1]

I recently got back on my old windows 2000 OS system due to tech
problems with my XP machine-I just want to thank the SeaMonkey team
for maintaining compatibility with Win2k! :)
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Re: Seamonkey installation mystery

[GerardJan]

Ray_Net wrote:

David Lawler wrote, On 14/05/2012 04:56:

hawker wrote:

On 5/10/2012 11:58 PM, David Lawler wrote:

This totally mystifies me. A week ago I installed SM 2.9.1, apparently
successfully, replacing (I thought) 1.1.19. I noticed right away my
computer ran slower. Finally, on Monday or Tuesday of this week, things
were so bad I had to give up and reboot.

So, imagine my surprise when, after rebooting, I was again running
1.1.19. I went through the process of again installing 2.9.1, again
apparently successfully. Then, again this (Thu) evening, my computer
was
again tied in knots so bad I had to reboot. Again, SM 1.1.19 was
running
after the reboot.

Does anyone have any idea what is going on? How does 1.1.19 survive the
installation of 1.9.1? (I actually used an intermediate step, making
the
actual conversion from 1.1.19 to 2.X.X in SM 2.0.5, my old profile
imported ok, then upgrading to 2.9.1.)

Win XP3, up to date, 2.5 gb memory. With 1.1.19 running, I could go
weeks without rebooting. Something is odd here.

Dave


This is what will happen if you try to install the upgrade with USER and
not ADMINISTRATOR privileges (I just made the same mistake on my
multi-media computer yesterday). Is that what was going on? Are you sure
you had Administrator privileges?



Thanks everyone for your ideas. As near as I can tell, I was running
as Administrator.

A brief summary of what I did: 1) I uninstalled SM1 and installed SM2;
2) SM2 installed ok but did not migrate my profile; 3) after several
attempts and much research I decided to sleep on it; 4) I re-installed
SM1 as I had to check my email; 5) I re-installed SM2 (with SM1 still
installed); 6) SM2 installed ok and this time successfully migrated my
profile; 7) I uninstalled SM1 so I no longer have the odd boot
problem; SM2 works fine, except it seems to get itself tied up in
knots pretty quickly, requiring SM2 to be shut down and re-started, if
not a full re-boot.

Hope this is helpful to others.

DL

Due to the fact that SM2 is using the migrated profile, you can
un-install SM2 - re-boot the pc -> then install SM2.


an XP3, at least if you have a proper Micro-soft licent..


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Re: Need Windows Media Player plugin for SM 2.91 that works with WIN 7 x64

[GerardJan]

Arnie Goetchius wrote:

Jim Taylor wrote:

Arnie Goetchius wrote:

Anybody have a link for the correct plugin? When I go to a site like
http://www.odyovi.com/greece/athens/free-online-greek-tv/watch-live/mega-tv


and try to run it on SM 2.91 and Win7 x64, it tells me I need to
install WMP 11.0. When I try to install, it fails.


I have the Microsoft Windows Media Player Firefox Plugin version 1.0.0.8
installed and that video plays for me.

See if these two links help.

Instructions:
http://kb.mozillazine.org/Windows_Media_Player

Link to download:
http://www.interoperabilitybridges.com/windows-media-player-firefox-plugin-download



Jim


I was able to install it using the above link and it works for Firefox
but not for SM 2.91. I'll have to read the above instructions and see if
I can find a clue of why it won't work.



did you install it as an administator?
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what is this??>>>

[GerardJan]

(seamonkey:2077): Gdk-CRITICAL **: gdk_window_invalidate_rect_full: 
assertion `GDK_IS_WINDOW (window)' failed

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Re: iPhone's e-mails with attached photos.

[NoOp]

On 05/13/2012 09:06 AM, Ant wrote:
> Hi!
> 
> Is it me or do iPhone e-mails, with attached photos., are shown the 
> wrong way like upside down? Do you guys have this problem or just me? 
> The senders say their sent e-mailed images look fine in their sent folder.
> 
> Thank you in advance. :)

Apparently you aren't the only one with the problem. Here is a 19 page
forum thread spanning Oct 2011 to today May 14:
https://discussions.apple.com/thread/3431867
[Iphone 4s Takes Pictures Upside-Down???]

Ironically, my sister-in-law sent me two photos from her iPhone4s last
night... indeed both were upside down. Examining the Exif data in both
shows:

Orientation: Rotate 180

SeaMonkey is displaying the photos exactly as expected by the EXIF
information. Note: an Exif with an 'Orientation' tag that is not rotated
would show:

Orientation: Horizontal (normal)

Sample from one of the photos:
Make: Apple
Camera Model Name   : iPhone 4S
Orientation : Rotate 180
X Resolution: 72
Y Resolution: 72
Resolution Unit : inches
Software: 5.1.1
Modify Date : 2012:05:13 18:51:06
Y Cb Cr Positioning : Centered
Exposure Time   : 1/242

So I think that you can safely ignore those that posted in that apple
discussion thread saying that it is 3rd party software that is the
issue, rather than the iPhone OS. The iPhone sent the correct EXIF
information & SeaMonkey displayed it as intended.

Gary
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Re: Massive RAM usage

[NoOp]

On 05/14/2012 05:22 PM, Jean Zebloski wrote:
> Why would Seamonkey be chewing up 430 megs of RAM all the time?
> 

about:memory will show you all of the details.


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Massive RAM usage

[Jean Zebloski]

Why would Seamonkey be chewing up 430 megs of RAM all the time?

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Re: Need Windows Media Player plugin for SM 2.91 that works with WIN 7 x64

[Jim Taylor]

Arnie Goetchius wrote:

Jim Taylor wrote:

Arnie Goetchius wrote:

Anybody have a link for the correct plugin? When I go to a site like
http://www.odyovi.com/greece/athens/free-online-greek-tv/watch-live/mega-tv


and try to run it on SM 2.91 and Win7 x64, it tells me I need to
install WMP 11.0. When I try to install, it fails.


I have the Microsoft Windows Media Player Firefox Plugin version
1.0.0.8
installed and that video plays for me.

See if these two links help.

Instructions:
http://kb.mozillazine.org/Windows_Media_Player

Link to download:
http://www.interoperabilitybridges.com/windows-media-player-firefox-plugin-download



Jim


I was able to install it using the above link and it works for Firefox
but not for SM 2.91. I'll have to read the above instructions and see
if I can find a clue of why it won't work.


For SeaMonkey you have to manually copy the plugin to SeaMonkeys 
plugin directory and restart SeaMonkey, did you do that?  The 
Installing the New Plugin section of the instruction link tells you 
where to find it and where to put it.


"SeaMonkey 1.x, SeaMonkey 2, Minefield, or in a custom Firefox 
installation, you will need to copy the "np-mswmp.dll" file to your 
browser's plugins folder. [6] For example, for SeaMonkey 2, copy 
"np-mswmp.dll" to the "C:\Program Files\SeaMonkey\plugins" folder or, 
on 64-bit Windows, to the "C:\Program Files (x86)\SeaMonkey\plugins" 
folder."


See the link for where to find the file.

Jim

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Re: Need Windows Media Player plugin for SM 2.91 that works with WIN 7 x64

[Arnie Goetchius]

Jim Taylor wrote:

Arnie Goetchius wrote:

Jim Taylor wrote:

Arnie Goetchius wrote:

Anybody have a link for the correct plugin? When I go to a site like
http://www.odyovi.com/greece/athens/free-online-greek-tv/watch-live/mega-tv



and try to run it on SM 2.91 and Win7 x64, it tells me I need to
install WMP 11.0. When I try to install, it fails.


I have the Microsoft Windows Media Player Firefox Plugin version
1.0.0.8
installed and that video plays for me.

See if these two links help.

Instructions:
http://kb.mozillazine.org/Windows_Media_Player

Link to download:
http://www.interoperabilitybridges.com/windows-media-player-firefox-plugin-download




Jim


I was able to install it using the above link and it works for Firefox
but not for SM 2.91. I'll have to read the above instructions and see
if I can find a clue of why it won't work.


For SeaMonkey you have to manually copy the plugin to SeaMonkeys plugin
directory and restart SeaMonkey, did you do that?


I did not. Thanks for taking the time to explain that to me. I'll work 
on it first thing tomorrow.


The Installing the New

Plugin section of the instruction link tells you where to find it and
where to put it.

"SeaMonkey 1.x, SeaMonkey 2, Minefield, or in a custom Firefox
installation, you will need to copy the "np-mswmp.dll" file to your
browser's plugins folder. [6] For example, for SeaMonkey 2, copy
"np-mswmp.dll" to the "C:\Program Files\SeaMonkey\plugins" folder or, on
64-bit Windows, to the "C:\Program Files (x86)\SeaMonkey\plugins" folder."

See the link for where to find the file.

Jim



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Painfully slow graphics rendering

[Craig]

I have used Mozilla browsers on Linux since Netscape Navigator. I'm 
currently using Seamonkey 2.9.1, but I have noticed this problem for 
many versions.


If I go to a graphics intensive site like maps.google.com or 
www.zillow.com, Seamonkey saturates one of my processor's cores and it 
becomes very slow to respond. Specifically, on maps.google.com, changing 
from the map display to the satellite display is painfully slow. Zillow 
just saturates one of my processor's cores most of the time.


I thought it might be a problem with Seamonkey, so I tried Firefox. Same 
results.


I recalled Netscape 4.79 not having the problem, but I don't have the 
correct libraries to run it.


I tried Opera 11.64 this afternoon and it does NOT have the problem.

Apparently the code that does the graphics for Seamonkey/Firefox assumes 
one has a super-humongous gaming graphics card. I do not. I have an EVGA 
256-P2-N751-TR Geforce 8600gt 256mb 128-bit, which isn't the slowest 
card on the market. Its specs are:


   Manufacturer:nVidia
   Series:GeForce 8
   GPU:G84
   Release Date:2007-04-17
   Interface:PCI-E x16
   Core Clock:540 MHz
   Shader Clock:1180 MHz
   Memory Clock:700 MHz (1400 DDR)
   Memory Bandwidth:22.4 GB/sec
   FLOPS:113.28 GFLOPS
   Pixel Fill Rate:4320 MPixels/sec
   Texture Fill Rate:8640 MTexels/sec

The performance I am seeing is not acceptable.

I like Seamonkey, particularly the way NoScript integrates with it. I'd 
rather not use Opera.


Is there any fix for this?

Thanks,


Craig
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Re: Painfully slow graphics rendering

[GerardJan]

Craig wrote:

I have used Mozilla browsers on Linux since Netscape Navigator. I'm
currently using Seamonkey 2.9.1, but I have noticed this problem for
many versions.

If I go to a graphics intensive site like maps.google.com or
www.zillow.com, Seamonkey saturates one of my processor's cores and it
becomes very slow to respond. Specifically, on maps.google.com, changing
from the map display to the satellite display is painfully slow. Zillow
just saturates one of my processor's cores most of the time.

I thought it might be a problem with Seamonkey, so I tried Firefox. Same
results.

I recalled Netscape 4.79 not having the problem, but I don't have the
correct libraries to run it.

I tried Opera 11.64 this afternoon and it does NOT have the problem.

Apparently the code that does the graphics for Seamonkey/Firefox assumes
one has a super-humongous gaming graphics card. I do not. I have an EVGA
256-P2-N751-TR Geforce 8600gt 256mb 128-bit, which isn't the slowest
card on the market. Its specs are:

Manufacturer:nVidia
Series:GeForce 8
GPU:G84
Release Date:2007-04-17
Interface:PCI-E x16
Core Clock:540 MHz
Shader Clock:1180 MHz
Memory Clock:700 MHz (1400 DDR)
Memory Bandwidth:22.4 GB/sec
FLOPS:113.28 GFLOPS
Pixel Fill Rate:4320 MPixels/sec
Texture Fill Rate:8640 MTexels/sec

The performance I am seeing is not acceptable.

I like Seamonkey, particularly the way NoScript integrates with it. I'd
rather not use Opera.

Is there any fix for this?

Thanks,


Craig


i dunno know

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Re: Painfully slow graphics rendering

[NoOp]

On 05/14/2012 07:01 PM, Craig wrote:
> I have used Mozilla browsers on Linux since Netscape Navigator. I'm 
> currently using Seamonkey 2.9.1, but I have noticed this problem for 
> many versions.
> 
> If I go to a graphics intensive site like maps.google.com or 
> www.zillow.com, Seamonkey saturates one of my processor's cores and it 
> becomes very slow to respond. Specifically, on maps.google.com, changing 
> from the map display to the satellite display is painfully slow. Zillow 
> just saturates one of my processor's cores most of the time.
> 
> I thought it might be a problem with Seamonkey, so I tried Firefox. Same 
> results.
> 
> I recalled Netscape 4.79 not having the problem, but I don't have the 
> correct libraries to run it.
> 
> I tried Opera 11.64 this afternoon and it does NOT have the problem.

Perhaps it's a flash issue?



With out flash enabled, top shows seamonkey-bin taking 2.3% cpu & 20.3%
memory. This is running Ubuntu 11.10, has a P4 2.4Ghz processor, 3GB of
memory (1GB of that is taken up by a virtual machine just now).
about:support shows:

Graphics
Adapter Description: NVIDIA Corporation -- Quadro4 900 XGL/AGP/SSE2
Vendor ID: NVIDIA Corporation
Device ID: Quadro4 900 XGL/AGP/SSE2
Driver Version: 1.5.8 NVIDIA 96.43.20
WebGL Renderer: Blocked for your graphics card because of unresolved
driver issues.
GPU Accelerated Windows: 0. Blocked for your graphics card because of
unresolved driver issues.
AzureBackend: skia

You can't get much more basic than that.

Now lets reload that page with flash turned on:
top showed the cpu jumping to 16.9% and nearly immediately going back
down to ~9-10%. Cick on 'View Virtual Tour' & no noticeable differenct.

Further, I've been running this 2.9.1 SM all day w/2 windows & 15
browsing tabs, standard email window + 3 nntp windows open. So it might
be worthwhile to explore other issues with your system/graphics?
...
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Re: Thanks from a win 2000 user

[MCBastos]

Interviewed by CNN on 13/05/2012 08:35, lightandho...@bellsouth.net told
the world:
> I recently got back on my old windows 2000 OS system due to tech
> problems with my XP machine-I just want to thank the SeaMonkey team
> for maintaining compatibility with Win2k! :)

Uhhh... you know, this might not be the best time for these particular
thanks...

Thing is, AFAIK, Firefox will drop Win2000 (and XP pre-SP2, by the way)
on the next release, Firefox 13, due June 5th.

http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/asa/archives/2012/01/end_of_firefox_win2k.html

Since Seamonkey depends on a lot of technology that comes from Firefox,
I'm guessing that Seamonkey will *have* to drop Win2k next month with
version 2.10, too.

Of course, you can keep using version 2.9.1 (or, for that matter,
Firefox 12 and Thunderbird 12) indefinitely -- but it will be
unsupported, that is, any bugs on it (including security bugs) will
never get fixed.

Short term, if you want a *supported* Mozilla product that runs on
Win2k, your best bet would be to go with the Firefox 10 ESR (Extended
Support Release). That will get security (and possibly stability)
patches for roughly one year since Firefox 10 was launched, that is,
about the end of January 2013.

Thunderbird and Seamonkey don't have ESR releases, as far as I know. Sorry.

>From February 2013 onwards, there will be no supported Mozilla product
for Win2k. It's possible (but not guaranteed) that Opera will still
support Windows 2000 by then. All other major browser vendors
(Microsoft, Apple, Google) have already dropped Win2k.

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Re: Painfully slow graphics rendering

[MCBastos]

Interviewed by CNN on 14/05/2012 23:01, Craig told the world:

> If I go to a graphics intensive site like maps.google.com or 
> www.zillow.com, Seamonkey saturates one of my processor's cores and it 
> becomes very slow to respond. Specifically, on maps.google.com, changing 
> from the map display to the satellite display is painfully slow. Zillow 
> just saturates one of my processor's cores most of the time.
> 
> Is there any fix for this?

You might attempt to update your video drivers. Mozilla products are
known to block hardware acceleration on older video drivers due to
stability reasons.

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Re: Thanks from a win 2000 user

[GerardJan]

MCBastos wrote:

Interviewed by CNN on 13/05/2012 08:35, lightandho...@bellsouth.net told
the world:

I recently got back on my old windows 2000 OS system due to tech
problems with my XP machine-I just want to thank the SeaMonkey team
for maintaining compatibility with Win2k! :)


Uhhh... you know, this might not be the best time for these particular
thanks...

Thing is, AFAIK, Firefox will drop Win2000 (and XP pre-SP2, by the way)
on the next release, Firefox 13, due June 5th.

http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/asa/archives/2012/01/end_of_firefox_win2k.html

Since Seamonkey depends on a lot of technology that comes from Firefox,
I'm guessing that Seamonkey will *have* to drop Win2k next month with
version 2.10, too.

Of course, you can keep using version 2.9.1 (or, for that matter,
Firefox 12 and Thunderbird 12) indefinitely -- but it will be
unsupported, that is, any bugs on it (including security bugs) will
never get fixed.

Short term, if you want a *supported* Mozilla product that runs on
Win2k, your best bet would be to go with the Firefox 10 ESR (Extended
Support Release). That will get security (and possibly stability)
patches for roughly one year since Firefox 10 was launched, that is,
about the end of January 2013.

Thunderbird and Seamonkey don't have ESR releases, as far as I know. Sorry.

 From February 2013 onwards, there will be no supported Mozilla product
for Win2k. It's possible (but not guaranteed) that Opera will still
support Windows 2000 by then. All other major browser vendors
(Microsoft, Apple, Google) have already dropped Win2k.



probably because it is so easy to run XP SP2 without a license... under 
XP3 you have to


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Re: Thanks from a win 2000 user

[MCBastos]

Interviewed by CNN on 15/05/2012 01:07, GerardJan told the world:

> 
> probably because it is so easy to run XP SP2 without a license... under 
> XP3 you have to
> 

Actually, from what I see around here, I don't think people have any
trouble running XP SP3 without a license -- even running Windows Update!
And anyway, SP2 support is not being dropped by Mozilla, only SP1 and older.

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Re: Painfully slow graphics rendering

[Craig]

NoOp wrote:


Perhaps it's a flash issue?






Further, I've been running this 2.9.1 SM all day w/2 windows&  15
browsing tabs, standard email window + 3 nntp windows open. So it might
be worthwhile to explore other issues with your system/graphics?
...


I disabled Flash in both Firefox and Seamonkey. At first, I thought that 
had fixed the problem in Firefox, switching between map and satellite in 
maps.google.com, but then it started acting up.


In Seamonkey, I opened your link above. The system monitor showed that 
one of the cores was saturated. I ran top like you did and found 
Seamonkey's usage was around 14%, but Xorg's usage was 80% or so.


Minimizing Seamonkey's window drops the CPU usage down to nil; 
unminimizing it again saturates a core.


Opera has no visible effect either minimized or unminimized; the CPU 
usage is nil in both conditions.


What does this tell me?

BTW, I'm running CentOS 5.6 on an ASUS M4785TD-M EVO with an AMD 605e 
processor with 4 GB of DDR3 1600 RAM.



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Re: Massive RAM usage

[Jean Zebloski]

NoOp   wrote :

> On 05/14/2012 05:22 PM, Jean Zebloski wrote:
>> Why would Seamonkey be chewing up 430 megs of RAM all the time?
>> 
> 
> about:memory will show you all of the details.
> 
> 
> 

Interesting, thanks.

I had about a dozen tabs open at the time, that may have caused it.

A lot of this is greek to me.

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Re: Thanks from a win 2000 user

[Paul B. Gallagher]

MCBastos wrote:


Interviewed by CNN on 15/05/2012 01:07, GerardJan told the world:


probably because it is so easy to run XP SP2 without a license...
under XP3 you have to


Actually, from what I see around here, I don't think people have any
trouble running XP SP3 without a license -- even running Windows
Update! And anyway, SP2 support is not being dropped by Mozilla, only
SP1 and older.


FWIW, most versions and service packs for WinXP are basically no longer 
supported by Micro$oft, so it's really time to consider updating this 
11-year-old OS.





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