Re: Gmail and Win XP

[J. Weaver Jr.]

Ed Mullen wrote:

A friend who uses me as their tech support "guy" wrote that she and her
husband can't access Gmail on their XP systems.  Okay on an Acer tablet,
okay on W7 systems.

I tried on my W7 systems, it's fine.  Tried on an XP system and no good.


Working for me with XP SP3 and SM 2.10.1.  -JW
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Re: Thunderbird? SeaMonkey?

[Justin Wood (Callek)]

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

Justin Wood (Callek) wrote:


Anything more specific/questions will be hashed out over the coming
weeks with the relevant stakeholders and the community. I would direct
everyone who cares to take conversation on that side of things there,
and discuss.


For those who would like to do so, can you tell us where "there" is?



See Mitchell's post on the subject, where she adequately describes where 
further discussion should be held, it was linked in first post on this 
thread, but I will link again for clarity:


http://blog.lizardwrangler.com/2012/07/06/thunderbird-stability-and-community-innovation/

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Re: Thunderbird? SeaMonkey?

[Paul B. Gallagher]

Justin Wood (Callek) wrote:


Anything more specific/questions will be hashed out over the coming
weeks with the relevant stakeholders and the community. I would direct
everyone who cares to take conversation on that side of things there,
and discuss.


For those who would like to do so, can you tell us where "there" is?

Thanks.

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Re: Thunderbird? SeaMonkey?

[Justin Wood (Callek)]

NoOp wrote:

I wonder what affect this will have on the SeaMonkey email client:


Let me say, that at this time SeaMonkey has no plans to alter *our* 
release cycle, or any support methods or anything of the nature.


And one way or another Thunderbird is continuing to release as normal up 
until at least November this year, after that will be a "stability" 
release/security cycle for a while after that.


Anything more specific/questions will be hashed out over the comings 
weeks with the relevant stakeholders and the community. I would direct 
everyone who cares to take conversation on that side of things there, 
and discuss.


What comes out of that conversation may end up affecting how we choose 
to handle stuff on the SeaMonkey side, but I want to shy away from what 
ifs, speculation, and even more importantly accusations as to why 
Mozilla is  Thunderbird.


I admit I will not be reading any of this thread in this forum, unless 
it is from a SeaMonkey Council member, or a few non-council but 
highly-important core Developers.


When and If we need to have a discussion on the future of SeaMonkey with 
regard to mail&news I will raise that here and we can discuss ad-nausea.


Let me repeat, -- at this time we have no plans to change the release 
cycle/process of SeaMonkey, and we do still intend to ship with 
Mail&News as we do today.


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Re: Gmail and Win XP

[Ed Mullen]

Jim Taylor wrote:

Ed Mullen wrote:

A friend who uses me as their tech support "guy" wrote that she and
her husband can't access Gmail on their XP systems.  Okay on an Acer
tablet, okay on W7 systems.

I tried on my W7 systems, it's fine.  Tried on an XP system and no good.

I tried deleting the XP Google cookies and trying again:  No go.

Tried Safe Mode, no go.

Any ideas?


I just tested and have no problems accessing Gmail on my XP system.
"Can't access Gmail" isn't really much of a description of the problem.
What are the exact symptoms - don't get the sign in screen?  Get the
sign in screen and can't sign in?  If so what message (password
incorrect?  clear stored passwords).  Get signed in but don't get the
mailbox.  It's difficult to diagnose a problem without knowing the
symptoms.

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Gmail site just sits there and spins, no reply from Gmail, I gave up 
waiting for it to time out.


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Re: You tube not working

[Dave and Colette Hirsh]

Dave and Colette Hirsh wrote:
I have recently upgraded to 2.10.1. I am using windows 7 on a pc. For 
some reason we can no longer watch videos on Youtube.   Is there an 
addon or plug in I'm missing?  If there is it is not obvious to me 
from your plugin add on site.  We have been using seamonkey for many 
years through many upgrades, and this is the first time we have had 
this problem.  I tried downloading again and am still having the problem


Thanks,

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Re: Gmail and Win XP

[Jim Taylor]

Ed Mullen wrote:

A friend who uses me as their tech support "guy" wrote that she and
her husband can't access Gmail on their XP systems.  Okay on an Acer
tablet, okay on W7 systems.

I tried on my W7 systems, it's fine.  Tried on an XP system and no good.

I tried deleting the XP Google cookies and trying again:  No go.

Tried Safe Mode, no go.

Any ideas?

I just tested and have no problems accessing Gmail on my XP system. 
"Can't access Gmail" isn't really much of a description of the 
problem.  What are the exact symptoms - don't get the sign in screen? 
 Get the sign in screen and can't sign in?  If so what message 
(password incorrect?  clear stored passwords).  Get signed in but 
don't get the mailbox.  It's difficult to diagnose a problem without 
knowing the symptoms.


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Re: Gmail and Win XP

[Ed Mullen]

Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:

Philip TAYLOR wrote:


never had any trouble with the IMAP and SMTP interfaces to Gmail.


Perhaps they are trying to access the gmail website with their browser.
Hence, the mention of cookies, etc.


Exactly.



Ed, have you tried browser spoofing as Windows 7 (on the XP box)? Maybe
use this?

Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 8.0; Windows NT 6.1)



I'll give that a try when I can.  Thanks!

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Re: Gmail and Win XP

[Ed Mullen]

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

Ed Mullen wrote:


A friend who uses me as their tech support "guy" wrote that she and her
husband can't access Gmail on their XP systems.  Okay on an Acer tablet,
okay on W7 systems.

I tried on my W7 systems, it's fine.  Tried on an XP system and no good.

I tried deleting the XP Google cookies and trying again:  No go.

Tried Safe Mode, no go.

Any ideas?


Please clarify whether you're using browser or email client (name and
version?), specific settings and procedure.

Note that you can't download POP mail from Gmail until you enable that
feature in the Gmail settings (it's disabled by default).



All browser-based, hence the mention of cookies.

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Re: Gmail and Win XP

[Paul B. Gallagher]

Ed Mullen wrote:


A friend who uses me as their tech support "guy" wrote that she and her
husband can't access Gmail on their XP systems.  Okay on an Acer tablet,
okay on W7 systems.

I tried on my W7 systems, it's fine.  Tried on an XP system and no good.

I tried deleting the XP Google cookies and trying again:  No go.

Tried Safe Mode, no go.

Any ideas?


Please clarify whether you're using browser or email client (name and 
version?), specific settings and procedure.


Note that you can't download POP mail from Gmail until you enable that 
feature in the Gmail settings (it's disabled by default).


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Re: Thunderbird? SeaMonkey?

[JohnW-Mpls]

On Mon, 09 Jul 2012 11:55:04 -0400, BIll Spikowski 
wrote:

>Rick Merrill wrote:
>> BIll Spikowski wrote:
>>> NoOp wrote:
 I wonder what affect this will have on the SeaMonkey email client:
>
+ + + + + + +>
>
>Your idea would help a lot, but my e-mail archives are an invaluable
>treasure to my business and I would NEVER trust their long-term
>storage to the cloud, or to anyone else's email servers.
>
>I'll admit that my personal system using Seamonkey is cumbersome (POP
>at my office to permanently store emails, and IMAP on my laptop so I
>can read and respond to emails comfortably while traveling without
>duplicating their storage), but I sure haven't figured out any other
>system that would work for me! Yes, I'm one of those people who would
>pay for continuing minor improvements to Seamonkey.
>

I'm also a SeaMonkey fan.  Browsers in SM and FireFox are similar to me but
Mail and Address Books in SM are much better than Thunderbird.

Biggest SeaMonkey things for me are: having nice lists/subgroups within
address books and, using the excellent full column layout when selecting
multiple addresses from my address books for an email message.

Some day I may start saving messages in SeaMonkey.  As it is, I'm still
saving messages as text files and storing those (the scheme I started in the
BBS days).

One concern: will SM be affected by switching to IPv6.{grin}

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Re: Gmail and Win XP

[Beauregard T. Shagnasty]

Philip TAYLOR wrote:

> never had any trouble with the IMAP and SMTP interfaces to Gmail.

Perhaps they are trying to access the gmail website with their browser. 
Hence, the mention of cookies, etc.

Ed, have you tried browser spoofing as Windows 7 (on the XP box)? Maybe 
use this?

Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 8.0; Windows NT 6.1)

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Re: Gmail and Win XP

[Philip TAYLOR]

No longer have an XP system on which to test, but I did
have for many years and never had any trouble with the
IMAP and SMTP interfaces to Gmail.

Check that the security settings and port are correct.

Philip Taylor

Ed Mullen wrote:


A friend who uses me as their tech support "guy" wrote that she and her
husband can't access Gmail on their XP systems.  Okay on an Acer tablet,
okay on W7 systems.

I tried on my W7 systems, it's fine.  Tried on an XP system and no good.

I tried deleting the XP Google cookies and trying again:  No go.

Tried Safe Mode, no go.

Any ideas?



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Gmail and Win XP

[Ed Mullen]

A friend who uses me as their tech support "guy" wrote that she and her 
husband can't access Gmail on their XP systems.  Okay on an Acer tablet, 
okay on W7 systems.


I tried on my W7 systems, it's fine.  Tried on an XP system and no good.

I tried deleting the XP Google cookies and trying again:  No go.

Tried Safe Mode, no go.

Any ideas?

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Re: Thunderbird? SeaMonkey?

[WLS]

On 07/09/2012 02:26 PM, PhillipJones wrote:
> Rick Merrill wrote:
>> BIll Spikowski wrote:
>>> NoOp wrote:
 I wonder what affect this will have on the SeaMonkey email client:

 
 


 


 "Mozilla is focusing a lot of its efforts towards important web and
 mobile projects, while Thunderbird remains a pure desktop only email
 client. We have come to the conclusion that continued innovation on
 Thunderbird is not a priority for Mozilla and that the most critical
 needs for the product are on-going security and stability. In fact, it
 is quite possible that Thunderbird is already pretty much what its
 users
 want and there is not a high demand for innovation in this field."
>>>
>>>
>>> I agree that the Seamonkey email client "is already pretty much what
>>> its users want" -- but that doesn't mean we wouldn't want something
>>> even better, or at least have confidence that we won't be losing a
>>> familiar tool that so many of us depend on so heavily all day, every
>>> day.
>>>
>>> I've fallen completely for the Sync feature, and have been dreaming
>>> about being able to Sync address books across my computers. It's quite
>>> a shock to hear the opposite, that the Mozilla folks are about to
>>> abandon further development of Thunderbird, and by extension Seamonkey
>>> too.
>>>
>>> The idea that webmail is clearly superior is incredibly absurd! I'm
>>> glad it works for lots of other folks (though I suspect mainly because
>>> they don't realize there are superior alternatives). I use webmail
>>> often, and hate every minute of it
>>>
>>
>>
>> Suppose you had browser-based email whose interface looked and worked
>> like the SeaMonkey mail client? Surely you wouldn't hate that!-)
>>
>>
>> The big advantage of such a system would be that it makes your address
>> book and bookmarks available to you from any of your computers.
>>
>>
>>
> It won't happen and I don't trust any web based mail.
> 

It is happening, one of the reasons for the focus away from Thunderbird.

Can you say web app?

"Q: When do we plan to reach Kilimanjaro?

A: Our proposed target date for this event is September 2012.


Q: What does this mean for Firefox/rapid release schedule?

A: Firefox will continue to have regular release trains. This is simply
an effort to align other Mozilla products as they become integrated
w/Firefox."

from https://wiki.mozilla.org/Kilimanjaro/FAQ

https://wiki.mozilla.org/Kilimanjaro/ProductDraft


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Re: Thunderbird? SeaMonkey?

[PhillipJones]

WLS wrote:

On 07/09/2012 11:55 AM, BIll Spikowski wrote:

Rick Merrill wrote:

BIll Spikowski wrote:

NoOp wrote:

I wonder what affect this will have on the SeaMonkey email client:






"Mozilla is focusing a lot of its efforts towards important web and
mobile projects, while Thunderbird remains a pure desktop only email
client. We have come to the conclusion that continued innovation on
Thunderbird is not a priority for Mozilla and that the most critical
needs for the product are on-going security and stability. In fact, it
is quite possible that Thunderbird is already pretty much what its
users
want and there is not a high demand for innovation in this field."



I agree that the Seamonkey email client "is already pretty much what
its users want" -- but that doesn't mean we wouldn't want something
even better, or at least have confidence that we won't be losing a
familiar tool that so many of us depend on so heavily all day, every
day.

I've fallen completely for the Sync feature, and have been dreaming
about being able to Sync address books across my computers. It's quite
a shock to hear the opposite, that the Mozilla folks are about to
abandon further development of Thunderbird, and by extension Seamonkey
too.

The idea that webmail is clearly superior is incredibly absurd! I'm
glad it works for lots of other folks (though I suspect mainly because
they don't realize there are superior alternatives). I use webmail
often, and hate every minute of it




Suppose you had browser-based email whose interface looked and worked
like the SeaMonkey mail client? Surely you wouldn't hate that!-)

The big advantage of such a system would be that it makes your address
book and bookmarks available to you from any of your computers.


That's why I like the new Sync feature, even though it doesn't (yet?)
include the address book.

Your idea would help a lot, but my e-mail archives are an invaluable
treasure to my business and I would NEVER trust their long-term
storage to the cloud, or to anyone else's email servers.

I'll admit that my personal system using Seamonkey is cumbersome (POP
at my office to permanently store emails, and IMAP on my laptop so I
can read and respond to emails comfortably while traveling without
duplicating their storage), but I sure haven't figured out any other
system that would work for me! Yes, I'm one of those people who would
pay for continuing minor improvements to Seamonkey.




SeaMonkey accepts donations.

https://donate.mozilla.org/page/contribute/seamonkey


I donated anyway. Now I expect SM to keep the email component alive.

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Re: Thunderbird? SeaMonkey?

[PhillipJones]

WLS wrote:

On 07/09/2012 11:55 AM, BIll Spikowski wrote:

Rick Merrill wrote:

BIll Spikowski wrote:

NoOp wrote:

I wonder what affect this will have on the SeaMonkey email client:






"Mozilla is focusing a lot of its efforts towards important web and
mobile projects, while Thunderbird remains a pure desktop only email
client. We have come to the conclusion that continued innovation on
Thunderbird is not a priority for Mozilla and that the most critical
needs for the product are on-going security and stability. In fact, it
is quite possible that Thunderbird is already pretty much what its
users
want and there is not a high demand for innovation in this field."



I agree that the Seamonkey email client "is already pretty much what
its users want" -- but that doesn't mean we wouldn't want something
even better, or at least have confidence that we won't be losing a
familiar tool that so many of us depend on so heavily all day, every
day.

I've fallen completely for the Sync feature, and have been dreaming
about being able to Sync address books across my computers. It's quite
a shock to hear the opposite, that the Mozilla folks are about to
abandon further development of Thunderbird, and by extension Seamonkey
too.

The idea that webmail is clearly superior is incredibly absurd! I'm
glad it works for lots of other folks (though I suspect mainly because
they don't realize there are superior alternatives). I use webmail
often, and hate every minute of it




Suppose you had browser-based email whose interface looked and worked
like the SeaMonkey mail client? Surely you wouldn't hate that!-)

The big advantage of such a system would be that it makes your address
book and bookmarks available to you from any of your computers.


That's why I like the new Sync feature, even though it doesn't (yet?)
include the address book.

Your idea would help a lot, but my e-mail archives are an invaluable
treasure to my business and I would NEVER trust their long-term
storage to the cloud, or to anyone else's email servers.

I'll admit that my personal system using Seamonkey is cumbersome (POP
at my office to permanently store emails, and IMAP on my laptop so I
can read and respond to emails comfortably while traveling without
duplicating their storage), but I sure haven't figured out any other
system that would work for me! Yes, I'm one of those people who would
pay for continuing minor improvements to Seamonkey.




SeaMonkey accepts donations.

https://donate.mozilla.org/page/contribute/seamonkey


Does donating guarantee that Mozilla will listen to users as opposed to 
developers?


Do you take paypal?

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Re: Thunderbird? SeaMonkey?

[PhillipJones]

Rick Merrill wrote:

BIll Spikowski wrote:

NoOp wrote:

I wonder what affect this will have on the SeaMonkey email client:






"Mozilla is focusing a lot of its efforts towards important web and
mobile projects, while Thunderbird remains a pure desktop only email
client. We have come to the conclusion that continued innovation on
Thunderbird is not a priority for Mozilla and that the most critical
needs for the product are on-going security and stability. In fact, it
is quite possible that Thunderbird is already pretty much what its users
want and there is not a high demand for innovation in this field."



I agree that the Seamonkey email client "is already pretty much what
its users want" -- but that doesn't mean we wouldn't want something
even better, or at least have confidence that we won't be losing a
familiar tool that so many of us depend on so heavily all day, every day.

I've fallen completely for the Sync feature, and have been dreaming
about being able to Sync address books across my computers. It's quite
a shock to hear the opposite, that the Mozilla folks are about to
abandon further development of Thunderbird, and by extension Seamonkey
too.

The idea that webmail is clearly superior is incredibly absurd! I'm
glad it works for lots of other folks (though I suspect mainly because
they don't realize there are superior alternatives). I use webmail
often, and hate every minute of it




Suppose you had browser-based email whose interface looked and worked
like the SeaMonkey mail client? Surely you wouldn't hate that!-)


The big advantage of such a system would be that it makes your address
book and bookmarks available to you from any of your computers.




Less Privacy and security.

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Re: Thunderbird? SeaMonkey?

[PhillipJones]

Rick Merrill wrote:

BIll Spikowski wrote:

NoOp wrote:

I wonder what affect this will have on the SeaMonkey email client:






"Mozilla is focusing a lot of its efforts towards important web and
mobile projects, while Thunderbird remains a pure desktop only email
client. We have come to the conclusion that continued innovation on
Thunderbird is not a priority for Mozilla and that the most critical
needs for the product are on-going security and stability. In fact, it
is quite possible that Thunderbird is already pretty much what its users
want and there is not a high demand for innovation in this field."



I agree that the Seamonkey email client "is already pretty much what
its users want" -- but that doesn't mean we wouldn't want something
even better, or at least have confidence that we won't be losing a
familiar tool that so many of us depend on so heavily all day, every day.

I've fallen completely for the Sync feature, and have been dreaming
about being able to Sync address books across my computers. It's quite
a shock to hear the opposite, that the Mozilla folks are about to
abandon further development of Thunderbird, and by extension Seamonkey
too.

The idea that webmail is clearly superior is incredibly absurd! I'm
glad it works for lots of other folks (though I suspect mainly because
they don't realize there are superior alternatives). I use webmail
often, and hate every minute of it




Suppose you had browser-based email whose interface looked and worked
like the SeaMonkey mail client? Surely you wouldn't hate that!-)


The big advantage of such a system would be that it makes your address
book and bookmarks available to you from any of your computers.




It won't happen and I don't trust any web based mail.

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Re: Thunderbird? SeaMonkey?

[PhillipJones]

Thee Chicago Wolf [MVP] wrote:

I wonder what affect this will have on the SeaMonkey email client:




"Mozilla is focusing a lot of its efforts towards important web and
mobile projects, while Thunderbird remains a pure desktop only email
client. We have come to the conclusion that continued innovation on
Thunderbird is not a priority for Mozilla and that the most critical
needs for the product are on-going security and stability. In fact, it
is quite possible that Thunderbird is already pretty much what its users
want and there is not a high demand for innovation in this field."

Maybe the 6 week release cycle was driving them crazy?


I am not surprised by this announcement and I think it makes sense.
Really, how far have stand-alone e-mail clients evolved in the past 10
years? Other than adopting SSL / TLS for POP3 and IMAP, there's not
much that really needs to be done to Thunderbird save for security /
bug fixes. Moving development resources towards the browser makes
sense.

- Thee Chicago Wolf [MVP]


As long as they do that. But usually when something like this happens, 
companies as soon as they get the words out of their mouths, two three 
month down the road the application disappears. I've been burnt plenty 
of times when perfectly good software get bought out, They smooze the 
users saying they have nothing to worry about, before the contract is 
signed, then before the ink has dried on the contract for more than 2 
hours, The software disappears.


Based on this experience over the years, I trust companies about as far 
as I can pitch them to keep their word.


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Re: Thunderbird? SeaMonkey?

[WLS]

On 07/09/2012 11:55 AM, BIll Spikowski wrote:
> Rick Merrill wrote:
>> BIll Spikowski wrote:
>>> NoOp wrote:
 I wonder what affect this will have on the SeaMonkey email client:

 
 

 

 "Mozilla is focusing a lot of its efforts towards important web and
 mobile projects, while Thunderbird remains a pure desktop only email
 client. We have come to the conclusion that continued innovation on
 Thunderbird is not a priority for Mozilla and that the most critical
 needs for the product are on-going security and stability. In fact, it
 is quite possible that Thunderbird is already pretty much what its
 users
 want and there is not a high demand for innovation in this field."
>>>
>>>
>>> I agree that the Seamonkey email client "is already pretty much what
>>> its users want" -- but that doesn't mean we wouldn't want something
>>> even better, or at least have confidence that we won't be losing a
>>> familiar tool that so many of us depend on so heavily all day, every
>>> day.
>>>
>>> I've fallen completely for the Sync feature, and have been dreaming
>>> about being able to Sync address books across my computers. It's quite
>>> a shock to hear the opposite, that the Mozilla folks are about to
>>> abandon further development of Thunderbird, and by extension Seamonkey
>>> too.
>>>
>>> The idea that webmail is clearly superior is incredibly absurd! I'm
>>> glad it works for lots of other folks (though I suspect mainly because
>>> they don't realize there are superior alternatives). I use webmail
>>> often, and hate every minute of it
>>>
>>
>>
>> Suppose you had browser-based email whose interface looked and worked
>> like the SeaMonkey mail client? Surely you wouldn't hate that!-)
>>  
>> The big advantage of such a system would be that it makes your address
>> book and bookmarks available to you from any of your computers.
> 
> That's why I like the new Sync feature, even though it doesn't (yet?)
> include the address book.
> 
> Your idea would help a lot, but my e-mail archives are an invaluable
> treasure to my business and I would NEVER trust their long-term
> storage to the cloud, or to anyone else's email servers.
> 
> I'll admit that my personal system using Seamonkey is cumbersome (POP
> at my office to permanently store emails, and IMAP on my laptop so I
> can read and respond to emails comfortably while traveling without
> duplicating their storage), but I sure haven't figured out any other
> system that would work for me! Yes, I'm one of those people who would
> pay for continuing minor improvements to Seamonkey.
> 
> 

SeaMonkey accepts donations.

https://donate.mozilla.org/page/contribute/seamonkey
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Re: Thunderbird? SeaMonkey?

[BIll Spikowski]

Rick Merrill wrote:
> BIll Spikowski wrote:
>> NoOp wrote:
>>> I wonder what affect this will have on the SeaMonkey email client:
>>>
>>> 
>>> 
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> "Mozilla is focusing a lot of its efforts towards important web and
>>> mobile projects, while Thunderbird remains a pure desktop only email
>>> client. We have come to the conclusion that continued innovation on
>>> Thunderbird is not a priority for Mozilla and that the most critical
>>> needs for the product are on-going security and stability. In fact, it
>>> is quite possible that Thunderbird is already pretty much what its
>>> users
>>> want and there is not a high demand for innovation in this field."
>>
>>
>> I agree that the Seamonkey email client "is already pretty much what
>> its users want" -- but that doesn't mean we wouldn't want something
>> even better, or at least have confidence that we won't be losing a
>> familiar tool that so many of us depend on so heavily all day, every
>> day.
>>
>> I've fallen completely for the Sync feature, and have been dreaming
>> about being able to Sync address books across my computers. It's quite
>> a shock to hear the opposite, that the Mozilla folks are about to
>> abandon further development of Thunderbird, and by extension Seamonkey
>> too.
>>
>> The idea that webmail is clearly superior is incredibly absurd! I'm
>> glad it works for lots of other folks (though I suspect mainly because
>> they don't realize there are superior alternatives). I use webmail
>> often, and hate every minute of it
>>
> 
> 
> Suppose you had browser-based email whose interface looked and worked
> like the SeaMonkey mail client? Surely you wouldn't hate that!-)
>  
> The big advantage of such a system would be that it makes your address
> book and bookmarks available to you from any of your computers.

That's why I like the new Sync feature, even though it doesn't (yet?)
include the address book.

Your idea would help a lot, but my e-mail archives are an invaluable
treasure to my business and I would NEVER trust their long-term
storage to the cloud, or to anyone else's email servers.

I'll admit that my personal system using Seamonkey is cumbersome (POP
at my office to permanently store emails, and IMAP on my laptop so I
can read and respond to emails comfortably while traveling without
duplicating their storage), but I sure haven't figured out any other
system that would work for me! Yes, I'm one of those people who would
pay for continuing minor improvements to Seamonkey.


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Re: Thunderbird? SeaMonkey?

[Rick Merrill]

BIll Spikowski wrote:

NoOp wrote:

I wonder what affect this will have on the SeaMonkey email client:




"Mozilla is focusing a lot of its efforts towards important web and
mobile projects, while Thunderbird remains a pure desktop only email
client. We have come to the conclusion that continued innovation on
Thunderbird is not a priority for Mozilla and that the most critical
needs for the product are on-going security and stability. In fact, it
is quite possible that Thunderbird is already pretty much what its users
want and there is not a high demand for innovation in this field."



I agree that the Seamonkey email client "is already pretty much what
its users want" -- but that doesn't mean we wouldn't want something
even better, or at least have confidence that we won't be losing a
familiar tool that so many of us depend on so heavily all day, every day.

I've fallen completely for the Sync feature, and have been dreaming
about being able to Sync address books across my computers. It's quite
a shock to hear the opposite, that the Mozilla folks are about to
abandon further development of Thunderbird, and by extension Seamonkey
too.

The idea that webmail is clearly superior is incredibly absurd! I'm
glad it works for lots of other folks (though I suspect mainly because
they don't realize there are superior alternatives). I use webmail
often, and hate every minute of it




Suppose you had browser-based email whose interface looked and worked like the 
SeaMonkey mail client? Surely you wouldn't hate that!-)



The big advantage of such a system would be that it makes your address
book and bookmarks available to you from any of your computers.



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