Re: Enable HTML email on the go

2012-12-19 Thread Rob
Paul B. Gallagher pau...@pbgdashtranslations.com wrote:
 Rob wrote:
 Paul B. Gallagher pau...@pbgdashtranslations.com wrote:
 Tihomir wrote:

 Normally, I do not use HTML in email. However, I sometimes need to
 insert graphic content like screenshots in my email. And it's much
 quicker to just paste screenshots into HTML mail than to save them
 first as files, then attach them.

 So, is there a way to switch between HTML and plain text quickly,
 without going to the preference screen in identity management?

 Once you've begun to compose a message, you're stuck with your decision
 (plain text/HTML).

 Options - Format in the message composition window lets you switch.

 Not available in my SM v. 2.14.1. Under Options, I have only:

 Select Addresses...
 Quote Message
 Return Receipt
 Delivery Status Notification
 Priority
 Character Encoding
 Send a Copy To
 Encrypt This Message
 Digitally Sign This Message

You need to put the checkmark to compose messages in HTML in your
account settings (under compose).

 What's slrn/pre1.0.0-18 (Linux)?

That is a newsreader.  It is unrelated to this discussion.
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Nasty font tag bug in newish versions (maybe since 2.13)

2012-12-19 Thread Rob
I found by accident that the 2.14.1 version we are using now has
a nasty bug in the message composition mode.

When composing in HTML, and after setting a custom font size in
the options for message composition (default is medium, set to
small or large for example) the composer peppers a lot of nested
font size=x /font tags in the message.   Many more than
are required.  It is not clear to me when it inserts a new one,
maybe after backspacing or similar.  I saw messages with 20
or more nested font tags.

What makes it even worse is that stupid change (made a couple of
versions before) to pretty-print the outgoing HTML.  It is
indented based on the tag level, so each level of font indents
it more.  There is absolutely no point in doing that, it only
wastes space and bandwidth for no purpose.

The combined result is HTML crap that even Microsoft would be ashamed of.

I think some priority has to be given to fix both bugs.
The pretty-printing should at least be made optional, defaulting
to off, and the change that introduced the font size problem should
be reverted or looked at.

I had to disable font size preselection (by lockPref) temporarily
to work around the issues it causes.  But I know of no way to turn
off the pretty-printing.
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Re: Nasty font tag bug in newish versions (maybe since 2.13)

2012-12-19 Thread Ed Mullen

Rob wrote:

I found by accident that the 2.14.1 version we are using now has
a nasty bug in the message composition mode.

When composing in HTML, and after setting a custom font size in
the options for message composition (default is medium, set to
small or large for example) the composer peppers a lot of nested
font size=x /font tags in the message.   Many more than
are required.  It is not clear to me when it inserts a new one,
maybe after backspacing or similar.  I saw messages with 20
or more nested font tags.

What makes it even worse is that stupid change (made a couple of
versions before) to pretty-print the outgoing HTML.  It is
indented based on the tag level, so each level of font indents
it more.  There is absolutely no point in doing that, it only
wastes space and bandwidth for no purpose.

The combined result is HTML crap that even Microsoft would be ashamed of.

I think some priority has to be given to fix both bugs.
The pretty-printing should at least be made optional, defaulting
to off, and the change that introduced the font size problem should
be reverted or looked at.

I had to disable font size preselection (by lockPref) temporarily
to work around the issues it causes.  But I know of no way to turn
off the pretty-printing.



Is this what you're after?

editor.prettyprint


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Re: Nasty font tag bug in newish versions (maybe since 2.13)

2012-12-19 Thread David E. Ross
On 12/19/12 7:30 AM, Rob wrote:
 I found by accident that the 2.14.1 version we are using now has
 a nasty bug in the message composition mode.
 
 When composing in HTML, and after setting a custom font size in
 the options for message composition (default is medium, set to
 small or large for example) the composer peppers a lot of nested
 font size=x /font tags in the message.   Many more than
 are required.  It is not clear to me when it inserts a new one,
 maybe after backspacing or similar.  I saw messages with 20
 or more nested font tags.
 
 What makes it even worse is that stupid change (made a couple of
 versions before) to pretty-print the outgoing HTML.  It is
 indented based on the tag level, so each level of font indents
 it more.  There is absolutely no point in doing that, it only
 wastes space and bandwidth for no purpose.
 
 The combined result is HTML crap that even Microsoft would be ashamed of.
 
 I think some priority has to be given to fix both bugs.
 The pretty-printing should at least be made optional, defaulting
 to off, and the change that introduced the font size problem should
 be reverted or looked at.
 
 I had to disable font size preselection (by lockPref) temporarily
 to work around the issues it causes.  But I know of no way to turn
 off the pretty-printing.
 

Have you submitted a bug report at bugzill.mozilla.org?  If so, what is
the bug number?

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Re: Nasty font tag bug in newish versions (maybe since 2.13)

2012-12-19 Thread WaltS

On 12/19/2012 10:30 AM, Rob wrote:

I found by accident that the 2.14.1 version we are using now has
a nasty bug in the message composition mode.

When composing in HTML, and after setting a custom font size in
the options for message composition (default is medium, set to
small or large for example) the composer peppers a lot of nested
font size=x /font tags in the message.   Many more than
are required.  It is not clear to me when it inserts a new one,
maybe after backspacing or similar.  I saw messages with 20
or more nested font tags.



Sounds related to this bug.

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=756984


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Re: Enable HTML email on the go

2012-12-19 Thread Tihomir
Rob wrote:
 You need to put the checkmark to compose messages in HTML in your
 account settings (under compose).

That defeats the purpose if I don't use HTML most of the time.
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Re: question about sessions, cookies, and permissions

2012-12-19 Thread LMH

Michael Ströder wrote:

NFN Smith wrote:

LMH wrote:

Also, my cookie permissions seem to be disappearing. I use google as my
home page. When I open my browser, I get a prompt to set a cookie. I
select, allow for session, and check the use every time check box,
but every time I open my browser I get the same prompt asking if that
cookie can be set. I also get a cookie request from id.google.com. I set
this to block and use every time, but I get that request ever time I
open my browser as well.


This one appears to be a problem in both Firefox 17 and Seamonkey 2.14.


Upgrade to 2.14.1 fixed the cookie permission issues for me.

Ciao, Michael.



That's good to hear, hopefully this will go back to normal when I upgrade.

LMH
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Re: Enable HTML email on the go

2012-12-19 Thread Rob
Tihomir cdiamond...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
 Rob wrote:
 You need to put the checkmark to compose messages in HTML in your
 account settings (under compose).

 That defeats the purpose if I don't use HTML most of the time.

True.  I use HTML by default and only switch to plain text mode
when I know I am mailing to something like an abuse desk or similar,
who still demand plain text.

In the setup I have, Seamonkey will autodetect the situation, sending
plain text when you only type plain text into the HTML composition window
and using HTML once you do something that requires it, but I'm not sure
which is the setting that does this.
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Re: Nasty font tag bug in newish versions (maybe since 2.13)

2012-12-19 Thread Rob
David E. Ross nobody@nowhere.invalid wrote:
 On 12/19/12 7:30 AM, Rob wrote:
 I found by accident that the 2.14.1 version we are using now has
 a nasty bug in the message composition mode.
 
 When composing in HTML, and after setting a custom font size in
 the options for message composition (default is medium, set to
 small or large for example) the composer peppers a lot of nested
 font size=x /font tags in the message.   Many more than
 are required.  It is not clear to me when it inserts a new one,
 maybe after backspacing or similar.  I saw messages with 20
 or more nested font tags.
 
 What makes it even worse is that stupid change (made a couple of
 versions before) to pretty-print the outgoing HTML.  It is
 indented based on the tag level, so each level of font indents
 it more.  There is absolutely no point in doing that, it only
 wastes space and bandwidth for no purpose.
 
 The combined result is HTML crap that even Microsoft would be ashamed of.
 
 I think some priority has to be given to fix both bugs.
 The pretty-printing should at least be made optional, defaulting
 to off, and the change that introduced the font size problem should
 be reverted or looked at.
 
 I had to disable font size preselection (by lockPref) temporarily
 to work around the issues it causes.  But I know of no way to turn
 off the pretty-printing.
 

 Have you submitted a bug report at bugzill.mozilla.org?  If so, what is
 the bug number?

I did not submit the report, the bug 812638 is the same thing but
for Thunderbird.

Unfortunately it looks like people want to replace the entire editor
to fix this.  That may take years.  And what do we do in the meantime?
(it worked OK one or two versions ago, it should be possible to fix it)
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Re: Nasty font tag bug in newish versions (maybe since 2.13)

2012-12-19 Thread Rob
WaltS wls15...@removeyahoo.com wrote:
 On 12/19/2012 10:30 AM, Rob wrote:
 I found by accident that the 2.14.1 version we are using now has
 a nasty bug in the message composition mode.

 When composing in HTML, and after setting a custom font size in
 the options for message composition (default is medium, set to
 small or large for example) the composer peppers a lot of nested
 font size=x /font tags in the message.   Many more than
 are required.  It is not clear to me when it inserts a new one,
 maybe after backspacing or similar.  I saw messages with 20
 or more nested font tags.


 Sounds related to this bug.

 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=756984

No, that is something else.  I think 812638 is closer.
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Re: Nasty font tag bug in newish versions (maybe since 2.13)

2012-12-19 Thread WaltS

On 12/19/2012 01:11 PM, Rob wrote:

WaltS wls15...@removeyahoo.com wrote:

On 12/19/2012 10:30 AM, Rob wrote:

I found by accident that the 2.14.1 version we are using now has
a nasty bug in the message composition mode.

When composing in HTML, and after setting a custom font size in
the options for message composition (default is medium, set to
small or large for example) the composer peppers a lot of nested
font size=x /font tags in the message.   Many more than
are required.  It is not clear to me when it inserts a new one,
maybe after backspacing or similar.  I saw messages with 20
or more nested font tags.



Sounds related to this bug.

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=756984


No, that is something else.  I think 812638 is closer.



You may be correct. Both are Core, Editor bugs.

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Re: Nasty font tag bug in newish versions (maybe since 2.13)

2012-12-19 Thread Rob
Ed Mullen e...@mungeedmullen.net wrote:
 Rob wrote:
 I found by accident that the 2.14.1 version we are using now has
 a nasty bug in the message composition mode.

 When composing in HTML, and after setting a custom font size in
 the options for message composition (default is medium, set to
 small or large for example) the composer peppers a lot of nested
 font size=x /font tags in the message.   Many more than
 are required.  It is not clear to me when it inserts a new one,
 maybe after backspacing or similar.  I saw messages with 20
 or more nested font tags.

 What makes it even worse is that stupid change (made a couple of
 versions before) to pretty-print the outgoing HTML.  It is
 indented based on the tag level, so each level of font indents
 it more.  There is absolutely no point in doing that, it only
 wastes space and bandwidth for no purpose.

 The combined result is HTML crap that even Microsoft would be ashamed of.

 I think some priority has to be given to fix both bugs.
 The pretty-printing should at least be made optional, defaulting
 to off, and the change that introduced the font size problem should
 be reverted or looked at.

 I had to disable font size preselection (by lockPref) temporarily
 to work around the issues it causes.  But I know of no way to turn
 off the pretty-printing.


 Is this what you're after?

 editor.prettyprint

Yes something like that, but the above pref works in the editor
(composer).  I need a similar pref that affects the mail composition
in the same way that the above pref affects the composer.

(I remember I tested this before and now tested it again on 2.14.1
but it really only affects the composer)
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Re: Nasty font tag bug in newish versions (maybe since 2.13)

2012-12-19 Thread Rob
WaltS wls15...@removeyahoo.com wrote:
 On 12/19/2012 01:11 PM, Rob wrote:
 WaltS wls15...@removeyahoo.com wrote:
 On 12/19/2012 10:30 AM, Rob wrote:
 I found by accident that the 2.14.1 version we are using now has
 a nasty bug in the message composition mode.

 When composing in HTML, and after setting a custom font size in
 the options for message composition (default is medium, set to
 small or large for example) the composer peppers a lot of nested
 font size=x /font tags in the message.   Many more than
 are required.  It is not clear to me when it inserts a new one,
 maybe after backspacing or similar.  I saw messages with 20
 or more nested font tags.


 Sounds related to this bug.

 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=756984

 No, that is something else.  I think 812638 is closer.


 You may be correct. Both are Core, Editor bugs.

I hope it will be fixed quickly.  Sometimes I hate the fact that we
have to update because of security notices and then find that
arbitrary changes have been made that introduce problems that never
existed before (or have existed before and then been fixed).

I understand that where there is development there always will be
mistakes, but sometimes it looks like there is an ongoing train
of development rushing forward without checking what blows off at
the back.   Fixing bugs introduced in a new version should be done
before continuing into yet another new one.

(I know I should join the development team instead of criticize,
however while I have done a lot of C programming in the past this
project is simply too large for me.  I tried finding the location
of a bug before, but even knowing what I was looking for I could
not locate the sourcefile where the function that I was looking
for was being performed...)
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Set the remember password checkmark by default?

2012-12-19 Thread Rob
When a mail account is accessed, the program asks for a password and
offers to remember this password.

Is it possible (via some pref?) to make the remember password checkmark
appear on by default?  (so the user can still uncheck it)
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Do NOT Install New Java Version 7u10 for Windows

2012-12-19 Thread David E. Ross
It appears that Java 7u10 for Windows does not work for SeaMonkey
2.14.1.  Both the Java installation test at
http://www.java.com/en/download/installed.jsp and a known Web site
that uses Java fail when that version is installed; they indicate that
there is no Java plugin.  Running the test and visiting the other site
after removing Java 7u10 and reinstalling Java 7u9 work okay.

This has been reported to Oracle.

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Re: Set the remember password checkmark by default?

2012-12-19 Thread David E. Ross
On 12/19/12 11:49 AM, Rob wrote:
 When a mail account is accessed, the program asks for a password and
 offers to remember this password.
 
 Is it possible (via some pref?) to make the remember password checkmark
 appear on by default?  (so the user can still uncheck it)
 

Remembering your password in SeaMonkey -- even when encrypted by your
master password -- will always remain at least slightly less secure than
remembering your password in your head.  Thus the default is not to
remember it in SeaMonkey.

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Re: Nasty font tag bug in newish versions (maybe since 2.13)

2012-12-19 Thread David E. Ross
On 12/19/12 10:53 AM, Rob wrote:
 WaltS wls15...@removeyahoo.com wrote:
 On 12/19/2012 01:11 PM, Rob wrote:
 WaltS wls15...@removeyahoo.com wrote:
 On 12/19/2012 10:30 AM, Rob wrote:
 I found by accident that the 2.14.1 version we are using now has
 a nasty bug in the message composition mode.

 When composing in HTML, and after setting a custom font size in
 the options for message composition (default is medium, set to
 small or large for example) the composer peppers a lot of nested
 font size=x /font tags in the message.   Many more than
 are required.  It is not clear to me when it inserts a new one,
 maybe after backspacing or similar.  I saw messages with 20
 or more nested font tags.


 Sounds related to this bug.

 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=756984

 No, that is something else.  I think 812638 is closer.


 You may be correct. Both are Core, Editor bugs.
 
 I hope it will be fixed quickly.  Sometimes I hate the fact that we
 have to update because of security notices and then find that
 arbitrary changes have been made that introduce problems that never
 existed before (or have existed before and then been fixed).
 
 I understand that where there is development there always will be
 mistakes, but sometimes it looks like there is an ongoing train
 of development rushing forward without checking what blows off at
 the back.   Fixing bugs introduced in a new version should be done
 before continuing into yet another new one.
 
 (I know I should join the development team instead of criticize,
 however while I have done a lot of C programming in the past this
 project is simply too large for me.  I tried finding the location
 of a bug before, but even knowing what I was looking for I could
 not locate the sourcefile where the function that I was looking
 for was being performed...)
 

However, the problem is easily resolved by composing only
ASCII-formatted messages.

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Re: Nasty font tag bug in newish versions (maybe since 2.13)

2012-12-19 Thread Rob
David E. Ross nobody@nowhere.invalid wrote:
 However, the problem is easily resolved by composing only
 ASCII-formatted messages.

This is not realistic in today's world when using the program
in a company.  Most mail being processed is in HTML.
We even have HTML signatures.
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Re: Do NOT Install New Java Version 7u10 for Windows

2012-12-19 Thread Rob
David E. Ross nobody@nowhere.invalid wrote:
 It appears that Java 7u10 for Windows does not work for SeaMonkey
 2.14.1.  Both the Java installation test at
 http://www.java.com/en/download/installed.jsp and a known Web site
 that uses Java fail when that version is installed; they indicate that
 there is no Java plugin.  Running the test and visiting the other site
 after removing Java 7u10 and reinstalling Java 7u9 work okay.

 This has been reported to Oracle.

Thanks for telling us, saves me the effort and problems of deploying
the Java update just now.

Did you check the new items in the control panel to see if the new
security settings for enabling Java in the browser come up correctly?
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Re: Set the remember password checkmark by default?

2012-12-19 Thread Rob
David E. Ross nobody@nowhere.invalid wrote:
 On 12/19/12 11:49 AM, Rob wrote:
 When a mail account is accessed, the program asks for a password and
 offers to remember this password.
 
 Is it possible (via some pref?) to make the remember password checkmark
 appear on by default?  (so the user can still uncheck it)
 

 Remembering your password in SeaMonkey -- even when encrypted by your
 master password -- will always remain at least slightly less secure than
 remembering your password in your head.  Thus the default is not to
 remember it in SeaMonkey.

Many defaults are settable by pref in Seamonkey, only it is not always
easy to find the name of the pref.
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Re: Do NOT Install New Java Version 7u10 for Windows

2012-12-19 Thread A Williams

David E. Ross wrote:

It appears that Java 7u10 for Windows does not work for SeaMonkey
2.14.1.  Both the Java installation test at
http://www.java.com/en/download/installed.jsp and a known Web site
that uses Java fail when that version is installed; they indicate that
there is no Java plugin.  Running the test and visiting the other site
after removing Java 7u10 and reinstalling Java 7u9 work okay.

This has been reported to Oracle.



My mileage varies.
My standard test for Java is http://www.chessgames.com/ and that works 
fine, your www.java.com link shows

You have the recommended Java installed (Version 7 Update 10)..

Win XP
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Re: Do NOT Install New Java Version 7u10 for Windows

2012-12-19 Thread NoOp

David E. Ross wrote:

It appears that Java 7u10 for Windows does not work for SeaMonkey
2.14.1.  Both the Java installation test at
http://www.java.com/en/download/installed.jsp and a known Web site
that uses Java fail when that version is installed; they indicate that
there is no Java plugin.  Running the test and visiting the other site
after removing Java 7u10 and reinstalling Java 7u9 work okay.

This has been reported to Oracle.



I thought that perhaps I might have the same problem (as it worked fine 
in Firefox - Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20100101 
Firefox/17.0), But not SeaMonkey. However, after closing and restarting 
SeaMonkey again, Java7u10 is working for me:


Java(TM) Platform SE 7 U10

File: npjp2.dll
Version: 10.10.2.18
Next Generation Java Plug-in 10.10.2 for Mozilla browsers

User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20100101 
Firefox/17.0 SeaMonkey/2.14.1

Build identifier: 20121129191119

http://java.com/en/download/installed.jsp
Verified Java Version
Completion checkmark
Congratulations!
You have the recommended Java installed (Version 7 Update 10).

Try from Firefox  see if that works for you. If it works there, but not 
in SeaMonkey, then try a test profile.


Note: This WinXP SP3 is running in a virtual machine (VMWare). To turn 
Java on/off I am using Prefbar 6.2.0.

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Re: Nasty font tag bug in newish versions (maybe since 2.13)

2012-12-19 Thread Ed Mullen

Rob wrote:

David E. Ross nobody@nowhere.invalid wrote:

However, the problem is easily resolved by composing only
ASCII-formatted messages.


This is not realistic in today's world when using the program
in a company.  Most mail being processed is in HTML.
We even have HTML signatures.



Amen.  The last job I had was in 1996 and ALL email was HTML.  Where are 
you text-only people coming from?


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2.14.1 mouse cursor changes to drag drop

2012-12-19 Thread NoOp
In the past few days I've noticed my mouse cursor changing to 'DD'
anytime that I move the mouse over a tab quickly. Similar to the issue of:
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=736811
[Mouse occasionally changes to drag cursor and the mouse buttons stop
functioning]
Except in my case the mouse buttons et al continue to work fine.

Anyone else noticing the same?

User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:17.0) Gecko/20100101
Firefox/17.0 SeaMonkey/2.14.1
Build identifier: 20121129191050
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Resolved? [was: Do NOT Install New Java Version 7u10 for Windows]

2012-12-19 Thread David E. Ross
On 12/19/12 11:55 AM, David E. Ross wrote:
 It appears that Java 7u10 for Windows does not work for SeaMonkey
 2.14.1.  Both the Java installation test at
 http://www.java.com/en/download/installed.jsp and a known Web site
 that uses Java fail when that version is installed; they indicate that
 there is no Java plugin.  Running the test and visiting the other site
 after removing Java 7u10 and reinstalling Java 7u9 work okay.
 
 This has been reported to Oracle.
 

It appears that installing Java 7u10 failed to remove completely Java
7u9.  A process of the earlier version remained running in the
background, blocking the removal of a .dll file it used.

First I used Unlocker to unlock the .dll file so that I could manually
delete it, but that failed.  I then used Unlocker kill the remnant Java
process that was locking the file.  SUCCESS!!  (I hope.)

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Re: Nasty font tag bug in newish versions (maybe since 2.13)

2012-12-19 Thread Philip Chee
On 19/12/2012 23:30, Rob wrote:
 I found by accident that the 2.14.1 version we are using now has
 a nasty bug in the message composition mode.
 
 When composing in HTML, and after setting a custom font size in
 the options for message composition (default is medium, set to
 small or large for example) the composer peppers a lot of nested
 font size=x /font tags in the message.   Many more than
 are required.  It is not clear to me when it inserts a new one,
 maybe after backspacing or similar.  I saw messages with 20
 or more nested font tags.
 
 What makes it even worse is that stupid change (made a couple of
 versions before) to pretty-print the outgoing HTML.  It is
 indented based on the tag level, so each level of font indents
 it more.  There is absolutely no point in doing that, it only
 wastes space and bandwidth for no purpose.
 
 The combined result is HTML crap that even Microsoft would be ashamed of.
 
 I think some priority has to be given to fix both bugs.
 The pretty-printing should at least be made optional, defaulting
 to off, and the change that introduced the font size problem should
 be reverted or looked at.
 
 I had to disable font size preselection (by lockPref) temporarily
 to work around the issues it causes.  But I know of no way to turn
 off the pretty-printing.

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=812638
Bug 812638 - Thunderbird is inserting random and incorrect font
size=3 tags in the middle of words throughout my email message.  (edit)

Phil

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