Archiving Mail
Through the Forum, I learned how to archive Sea Monkey and where, and I was grateful. I've been on computers for years, but not too techie, due to production push. When my laptop turned blue (constant blue screens), I sent it back to HP for repair, specifically asked them to save all my files. When it came back, all the mail files on the C:\ drive were gone, together with all my added software programs. I was able to reinstall all the extra programs, but all the mail was lost. So, isn't that a call for copying those C:\ files somewhere off the computer for safekeeping - disc, external drive? ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Archiving Mail
Lori wrote: Through the Forum, I learned how to archive Sea Monkey and where, and I was grateful. I've been on computers for years, but not too techie, due to production push. When my laptop turned blue (constant blue screens), I sent it back to HP for repair, specifically asked them to save all my files. When it came back, all the mail files on the C:\ drive were gone, together with all my added software programs. I was able to reinstall all the extra programs, but all the mail was lost. So, isn't that a call for copying those C:\ files somewhere off the computer for safekeeping - disc, external drive? Do you not backup your hard drive? Get a portable hard drive that plugs into the USB port and a good backup program. Do a backup regularly, and next time you can just restore the new drive to the point of your last backup. I worked in a hospital once that had also never heard of a backup. The hard drive crashed on one of the office computers. They sent the drive to have the data retrieved but somehow the thing was thrown away. Years of data lost forever. -- GW Ross Don't worry about the future, sooner or later it's the past. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Message-Headers are erroneously ADDED AT THE SUBJECT in SeaMonkey's Thread-pane's Subject window
Hartmut Figge wrote: Hartmut Figge: The bug is reproducible now. 64 or more characters in the subject + a trailing space suffice to trigger it. I have opened a thread in a German NG to gather more information. It is night now, so it will take time for answers, but one is already there. TB using IMAP could not reproduce. Maybe POP3 is a required condition. Or TB is not affected. Hartmut Just FYI, Hartmut, I am POP3. So might you be suggestion that it's a problem on the Inbox side of SM mail, rather than on the Outbox side of SM mail?? -- Daniel User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:20.0) Gecko/20100101 SeaMonkey/2.17 Build identifier: 20130320191715 or User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686 on x86_64; rv:20.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/20.0 SeaMonkey/2.17 Build identifier: 20130320191715 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Message-Headers are erroneously ADDED AT THE SUBJECT in SeaMonkey's Thread-pane's Subject window
Daniel: So might you be suggestion that it's a problem on the Inbox side of SM mail, rather than on the Outbox side of SM mail?? https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=861128 should give answers. You may comment there. ;) Hartmut ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Archiving Mail
Lori wrote: Through the Forum, I learned how to archive Sea Monkey and where, and I was grateful. I've been on computers for years, but not too techie, due to production push. When my laptop turned blue (constant blue screens), I sent it back to HP for repair, specifically asked them to save all my files. When it came back, all the mail files on the C:\ drive were gone, together with all my added software programs. I was able to reinstall all the extra programs, but all the mail was lost. So, isn't that a call for copying those C:\ files somewhere off the computer for safekeeping - disc, external drive? Yep. If you love me, back me up. Here are a few basics to look for in a good backup system: 1) Saves your data separate from the system you're backing up. If a disaster will take out both the computer and the backup, you haven't gained anything by using it. 2) Automated, scheduled, regular. If you have to consciously choose to back up, you'll forget or make excuses and it won't happen. That's when disaster will strike and you'll be SOL. 3) Fast and easy, both to back up and to restore. Your backup system should take no more than a few hours to save or restore the entire contents of your HDD. (Incremental backups or specific file restores should take only a few minutes, of course.) A major expense of disaster recovery is reconstituting all your installed programs, customizations, etc., so you don't want to save just a few key data files. -- War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. -- Paul B. Gallagher ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Message-Headers are erroneously ADDED AT THE SUBJECT in SeaMonkey's Thread-pane's Subject window
On Fri, 12 Apr 2013 06:59:52 +0200 Hartmut Figge h.fi...@gmx.de wrote: Geoff Welsh: I lost track of this thread days ago, Not only you. *g* but now that you guys have broke it down, I can tell you that the prob is reproducible on Mac SM 2.17 too. There are two parts. One is the producing of a line in the headers consisting only of a space after the Subject by SM, the other is the handling of this problem in the treadpane. I am waiting for more answers in a German NG once the night is over. What about TB? http://groups.google.com/search?as_umsgid=51674ffa.7080...@hfigge.myfqdn.de May you who read this have less difficulties with German than i have with English. :) My German is not good enough to follow that, unfortunately. My take on the problem with what SeaMonkey sends: It's clear that no header should be folded in the way SeaMonkey has folded the Subject in this case. (In RFC language, SeaMonkey MUST NOT fold this way.) Why SeaMonkey wants to fold such a short Subject header in the first place is beyond me, but if it is to be folded, it should be folded *before* the last non-whitespace characters in the field. My take on what SeaMonkey displays: Unfolding should only remove CRLFs which are immediately followed by whitespace. That's true whether the folding is compliant with RFC 2822 or compliant with the obsolete RFC 822. But in this case, in the thread pane view, the CRLF immediately before Content-Type has been removed during the unfolding, making that line a continuation of the Subject field; that CRLF is *not* followed by whitespace, so it should be treated as the end of the Subject header, not as something to be unfolded. I tried to follow the bugs linked from https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=776096#c16 and subsequent comments to find out what algorithms SeaMonkey uses for folding and unfolding, but I got lost. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Message-Headers are erroneously ADDED AT THE SUBJECT in SeaMonkey's Thread-pane's Subject window
On 04/12/2013 01:06 PM, Daniel wrote: Hartmut Figge wrote: Hartmut Figge: The bug is reproducible now. 64 or more characters in the subject + a trailing space suffice to trigger it. I have opened a thread in a German NG to gather more information. It is night now, so it will take time for answers, but one is already there. TB using IMAP could not reproduce. Maybe POP3 is a required condition. Or TB is not affected. Hartmut Just FYI, Hartmut, I am POP3. So might you be suggestion that it's a problem on the Inbox side of SM mail, rather than on the Outbox side of SM mail?? I use *imap* for incoming and *smtp* for outgoing mail and news -- ~Vink mailto:gertjan.vinkeste...@gmail.com home:http://ciudadpatricia.com homepage:http://vinkesteijn.info // running on Fedora (redhat) version 17 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Message-Headers are erroneously ADDED AT THE SUBJECT in SeaMonkey's Thread-pane's Subject window
GerardJan: On 04/12/2013 01:06 PM, Daniel wrote: Just FYI, Hartmut, I am POP3. So might you be suggestion that it's a problem on the Inbox side of SM mail, rather than on the Outbox side of SM mail?? I use *imap* for incoming and *smtp* for outgoing mail and news I am hiding since i discovered that i filed a duplicate. So i cannot answer, i am not there. Hart dr mut ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Message-Headers are erroneously ADDED AT THE SUBJECT in SeaMonkey's Thread-pane's Subject window
On Fri, 12 Apr 2013 17:52:19 +0200 Hartmut Figge h.fi...@gmx.de wrote: I am hiding since i discovered that i filed a duplicate. So i cannot answer, i am not there. At least you caught it and marked it as a dupe yourself; no need to hide. But maybe now is not a good time to mention that Ray posted the bug link in the OP in this thread. ;) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Archiving Mail
Archiving Mail. I do backup to an external hard disc, but never thought of looking there, because it wasn't set up to back up my C:\ drive; only docs, pics, etc. In future, I will be making a manual copy of the archives in the C:\ drive. Today's Topics: 4/12/13 7. Archiving Mail (Lori) 8. Re: Archiving Mail (G. Ross) -- Message: 7 Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2013 06:41:55 -0400 From: Lori na...@verizon.net To: support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org Subject: Archiving Mail Message-ID: 000601ce376a$5a5e3eb0$0f1abc10$@Verizon.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Through the Forum, I learned how to archive Sea Monkey and where, and I was grateful. I've been on computers for years, but not too techie, due to production push. When my laptop turned blue (constant blue screens), I sent it back to HP for repair, specifically asked them to save all my files. When it came back, all the mail files on the C:\ drive were gone, together with all my added software programs. I was able to reinstall all the extra programs, but all the mail was lost. So, isn't that a call for copying those C:\ files somewhere off the computer for safekeeping - disc, external drive? -- Message: 8 Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2013 06:53:48 -0400 From: G. Ross g...@comsouth.net To: support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org Subject: Re: Archiving Mail Message-ID: 3eodnbl5vtyqevrmnz2dnuvz_gidn...@mozilla.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Do you not backup your hard drive? Get a portable hard drive that plugs into the USB port and a good backup program. Do a backup regularly, and next time you can just restore the new drive to the point of your last backup. I worked in a hospital once that had also never heard of a backup. The hard drive crashed on one of the office computers. They sent the drive to have the data retrieved but somehow the thing was thrown away. Years of data lost forever. -- GW Ross Don't worry about the future, sooner or later it's the past. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Context menu horrible large and it doesn't work in 2.17
Jim wrote: So I tried to download the latest version of Firebug (yes, I'm a glutton for punishment), but when I click on the download button, it doesn't do anything. Install Firebug from here: https://getfirebug.com/releases/firebug/ HTH Jens -- Jens Hatlak http://jens.hatlak.de/ SeaMonkey Trunk Tracker http://smtt.blogspot.com/ ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Archive More Than Mail
Thanks for that, Paul. I'll add the C:\drive because I never want to go through that kind of restoration again. Well, I'll never go to HP again! -Original Message- From: support-seamonkey-bounces+nasga=verizon@lists.mozilla.org [mailto:support-seamonkey-bounces+nasga=verizon@lists.mozilla.org] On Behalf Of support-seamonkey-requ...@lists.mozilla.org Sent: Friday, April 12, 2013 1:55 PM To: support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org Subject: support-seamonkey Digest, Vol 88, Issue 41 Send support-seamonkey mailing list submissions to support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to support-seamonkey-requ...@lists.mozilla.org You can reach the person managing the list at support-seamonkey-ow...@lists.mozilla.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of support-seamonkey digest... Today's Topics: 1. Re: Message-Headers are erroneously ADDED AT THE SUBJECT in SeaMonkey's Thread-pane's Subject window (Hartmut Figge) 2. Re: Archiving Mail (Paul B. Gallagher) 3. Re: Message-Headers are erroneously ADDED AT THE SUBJECT in SeaMonkey's Thread-pane's Subject window (?Q?) 4. Re: Message-Headers are erroneously ADDED AT THE SUBJECT in SeaMonkey's Thread-pane's Subject window (GerardJan) 5. Re: Message-Headers are erroneously ADDED AT THE SUBJECT in SeaMonkey's Thread-pane's Subject window (Hartmut Figge) 6. Re: Message-Headers are erroneously ADDED AT THE SUBJECT in SeaMonkey's Thread-pane's Subject window (?Q?) 7. Archiving Mail (Lori) 8. Re: Context menu horrible large and it doesn't work in 2.17 (Jens Hatlak) -- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2013 13:29:48 +0200 From: Hartmut Figge h.fi...@gmx.de To: support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org Subject: Re: Message-Headers are erroneously ADDED AT THE SUBJECT in SeaMonkey's Thread-pane's Subject window Message-ID: 5167f02c.7020...@hfigge.myfqdn.de Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Daniel: So might you be suggestion that it's a problem on the Inbox side of SM mail, rather than on the Outbox side of SM mail?? https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=861128 should give answers. You may comment there. ;) Hartmut -- Message: 2 Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2013 08:17:57 -0400 From: Paul B. Gallagher pau...@pbgdashtranslations.com To: support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org Subject: Re: Archiving Mail Message-ID: xoudnukwgqrzzvrmnz2dnuvz_oidn...@mozilla.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Lori wrote: Through the Forum, I learned how to archive Sea Monkey and where, and I was grateful. I've been on computers for years, but not too techie, due to production push. When my laptop turned blue (constant blue screens), I sent it back to HP for repair, specifically asked them to save all my files. When it came back, all the mail files on the C:\ drive were gone, together with all my added software programs. I was able to reinstall all the extra programs, but all the mail was lost. So, isn't that a call for copying those C:\ files somewhere off the computer for safekeeping - disc, external drive? Yep. If you love me, back me up. Here are a few basics to look for in a good backup system: 1) Saves your data separate from the system you're backing up. If a disaster will take out both the computer and the backup, you haven't gained anything by using it. 2) Automated, scheduled, regular. If you have to consciously choose to back up, you'll forget or make excuses and it won't happen. That's when disaster will strike and you'll be SOL. 3) Fast and easy, both to back up and to restore. Your backup system should take no more than a few hours to save or restore the entire contents of your HDD. (Incremental backups or specific file restores should take only a few minutes, of course.) A major expense of disaster recovery is reconstituting all your installed programs, customizations, etc., so you don't want to save just a few key data files. -- War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. -- Paul B. Gallagher -- Message: 3 Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2013 10:31:55 -0500 From: ?Q? boxc...@gmx.net To: support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org Subject: Re: Message-Headers are erroneously ADDED AT THE SUBJECT in SeaMonkey's Thread-pane's Subject window Message-ID: 20130412103155.14ef4...@fuchsia.remarqs.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 12 Apr 2013 06:59:52 +0200 Hartmut Figge h.fi...@gmx.de wrote: Geoff Welsh: I lost track of this thread days ago, Not only you. *g* but now that you guys have broke it down, I can tell you that the prob is reproducible on Mac SM
Re: Archiving Mail
On 2013-04-12 12:16 (GMT-0400) Lori composed: Archiving Mail. I do backup to an external hard disc, but never thought of looking there, because it wasn't set up to back up my C:\ drive; only docs, pics, etc. In future, I will be making a manual copy of the archives in the C:\ drive. Your docs, pics, etc. aren't on C:? If not, why is your SeaMonkey profile not in the same vicinity? The default Windows location of profile data for SeaMonkey (and most other user data) is ludicrous. User data shouldn't be lost in a deep nest amongst system data, program data and programs. You can put your SeaMonkey profile data wherever you please. You should put it wherever is most convenient for you to access, backup and restore. Once you decide on a location, copy or move it from the current location there, then find SeaMonkey's profile.ini file, and edit it to match your profile to its new location. -- The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive. Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Archiving Mail
Felix Miata wrote: Your docs, pics, etc. aren't on C:? If not, why is your SeaMonkey profile not in the same vicinity? The default Windows location of profile data for SeaMonkey (and most other user data) is ludicrous. User data shouldn't be lost in a deep nest amongst system data, program data and programs. You can put your SeaMonkey profile data wherever you please. You should put it wherever is most convenient for you to access, backup and restore. Once you decide on a location, copy or move it from the current location there, then find SeaMonkey's profile.ini file, and edit it to match your profile to its new location. I agree that the default location for most user data is crazy, which is why all of my systems have at least two discs each with multiple partitions, but I also think that your first question may be based on a faulty premise : some backup agents will backup documents, pictures, etc., from their Windows default location on the C: drive yet flatly refuse to allow the whole of C: to be backed up; I have, in these circumstances, actually had to create a junction point on another drive in order to overcome this, something that relatively few users would know how to do. Philip Taylor ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Archiving Mail
Interviewed by CNN on 12/04/2013 19:56, Philip TAYLOR told the world: Felix Miata wrote: Your docs, pics, etc. aren't on C:? If not, why is your SeaMonkey profile not in the same vicinity? The default Windows location of profile data for SeaMonkey (and most other user data) is ludicrous. User data shouldn't be lost in a deep nest amongst system data, program data and programs. You can put your SeaMonkey profile data wherever you please. You should put it wherever is most convenient for you to access, backup and restore. Once you decide on a location, copy or move it from the current location there, then find SeaMonkey's profile.ini file, and edit it to match your profile to its new location. I agree that the default location for most user data is crazy, which is why all of my systems have at least two discs each with multiple partitions, but I also think that your first question may be based on a faulty premise : some backup agents will backup documents, pictures, etc., from their Windows default location on the C: drive yet flatly refuse to allow the whole of C: to be backed up; I have, in these circumstances, actually had to create a junction point on another drive in order to overcome this, something that relatively few users would know how to do. There's not much point in backing up the ENTIRETY of drive C: with standard backup software. That would include all of Windows itself, and the installed programs -- which are hard to restore without having Windows running in the first place. Although the Windows 7 built-in backup tool apparently does so. If you really want to backup all of that, you are better off with a disk imaging software rather than a backup software -- that will copy even non-file structures such as the boot records. Backing up the C:\Users folder (or C:\Documents and Settings for XP), however, is a different matter. Most software (including Seamonkey) will by default store data somewhere in that folder tree. If you have that tree and any other folders that you or some software you uses created in C:\, you should have all or nearly all your data. If you have an intact profile folder (the ones inside C:\Users), there are tools to reactivate the profile in a reformatted computer, or even in a different computer -- as long as you don't change Windows major versions, that is. You can move profiles from Vista to Windows 7 with no significant problems, and you could do the same from 2000 to XP, if you had a machine running Windows 2000, that is. But it does not work that way for moving from XP to 7, nor from 7 to 8. Two such tools: 1. ForensIT User Profile Wizard: http://www.forensit.com/downloads.html 2. ReProfiler: http://iwr.cc/reprofiler -- MCBastos This message has been protected with the 2ROT13 algorithm. Unauthorized use will be prosecuted under the DMCA. -=-=- ... Sent from my Odyssey2. * Added by TagZilla 0.7a1 running on Seamonkey 2.17 * Get it at http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modifiedmailnews.html#tagzilla ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Archiving Mail
MCBastos wrote: There's not much point in backing up the ENTIRETY of drive C: with standard backup software. That would include all of Windows itself, and the installed programs -- which are hard to restore without having Windows running in the first place. Although the Windows 7 built-in backup tool apparently does so. If you really want to backup all of that, you are better off with a disk imaging software rather than a backup software -- that will copy even non-file structures such as the boot records. ... Modern backup software (and I prefer not to promote any one of several viable options) is quite capable of doing either or both of the tasks of backing up by file or backing up a disk image including the registry. My point in my earlier post was that on those rare occasions where I had a disk or computer crash and had to start over, it took anywhere from several days to over a week to locate all the install disks for all my programs, reinstall them all, update and customize them all, and get to the point where I could actually run the new or repaired computer. I don't know what your labor costs, but for me it was a major expense and inconvenience, and I was ecstatic that I could skip it the last time thanks to a good backup program. In that recent case, I was up and running normally within hours, and most of my customers never knew anything had happened until I told them. -- War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. -- Paul B. Gallagher ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
