Re: So long Growl, we hardly new ya
Trane Francks wrote: On 8/3/13 7:52 PM +0900, Daniel wrote: Trane, have you tried using http://code.google.com/p/seamonkey-ppc/ SeaMonkey?? I know it specifically mentions working with G4/G5 Macs, but might also work with your Growl!! (at least until the V 2 comes out!!) Assuming that the PPC build is based on plain-Jane 2.19 source with minimal changes, it, too, will be missing the old Growl support and will have XUL notifications implemented. Not a bad idea and thanks for the thought, though. Unfortunately, there will be no Growl later than 1.2.2 for Snow Leopard. From Growl 1.3 onwards, minimum OS supported is Lion. That said, despite the hangover I downloaded Mitar's Growl New Message Notification 0.4.2 for Thunderbird from his git repository and have started the task of getting that extension working with SeaMonkey. As it's my first time doing anything with an extension beyond installing it, it's a slow go. I did manage to get the proper SeaMonkey declaration in the install.rdf file and changed the app specification from Thunderbird. The preferences dialog's Test now successfully talks to Growl. So, some small success. I still haven't quite sussed out exactly what needs to be done to get it to trigger on new mail, though. :) Cheers, trane Best of luck and/or skill, Trane. -- Daniel User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:21.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/21.0 SeaMonkey/2.18 Build identifier: 20130418192405 or User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:23.0) Gecko/20100101 SeaMonkey/2.20 Build identifier: 20130709211044 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: So long Growl, we hardly new ya
Trane Francks wrote: On 8/4/13 10:07 AM +0900, Geoff Welsh wrote: Trane Francks wrote: Snow Leopard, the OS, does not run on the PPC architecture, but it does have the necessary emulation to run apps compiled for it. Of course, but SM has had Intel versions available all along, and you have an Intel, so it's beyond silly to run a hacked SM version for PPC, when you already don't have a PPC. It's only off the mark because Daniel didn't realize the problem wasn't architectural and was unfortunately the result of changes in the Mozilla core code. I appreciated the suggestion as it showed thinking outside the box. :) Yeap, the last time I had anything to directly do with Apple stuff was using an Apple 2e clone, a Zeus I think, back in about 1983-5 I tried to help ... don't shoot me!! -- Daniel User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:21.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/21.0 SeaMonkey/2.18 Build identifier: 20130418192405 or User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:23.0) Gecko/20100101 SeaMonkey/2.20 Build identifier: 20130709211044 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: sounds for SeaMonkey
Bryan v. Roache wrote: Chris Ilias wrote, On 8/3/2013 11:25 AM: On 2013-08-03 9:27 AM, Bryan v. Roache wrote: hi, is their a plugin for SeaMonkey to give it IE click sounds? I don't think so. There's one for Firefox, but it's not made available for SeaMonkey. Well what can i do about this issue? i do not wish to install Firefox so is their any way to allow windows sounds at all? I'm of the computers should be silent and have never used IE. It has evidently been established that there is no generic answer to your request. Can you list specific sounds you would like to accompany specific actions or events. [Think of it as divide and conquer methodology. If the war cannot be won, at least some battles may be.] ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: So long Growl, we hardly new ya
On 04/08/2013 18:41, Trane Francks wrote: On 8/4/13 2:33 PM +0900, Philip Chee wrote: I haven't looked into this in detail but in principle you could implement your own nsIAlertsService in javascript and make yours override the built in service. Hm. That's an interesting idea. It seems a bit more complex than I'd hoped, though, because the extension itself would need to be in charge of any audio notifications. This particular extension uses growlnotify (a CLI tool) to talk with Growl. As such, it's a one-trick pony in terms Are you sure it uses growlnotify? I'm referring to: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/addon/growlgntp-for-thunderbird/ Which uses the GNTP protocol. This extension for Firefox from the same author does the same. https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/growlgntp/ There is a (much older) growl extension which just spawns a CLI tool to send growl notifications, but that's long obsolete. Phil -- Philip Chee phi...@aleytys.pc.my, philip.c...@gmail.com http://flashblock.mozdev.org/ http://xsidebar.mozdev.org Guard us from the she-wolf and the wolf, and guard us from the thief, oh Night, and so be good for us to pass. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: So long Growl, we hardly new ya
On 8/4/13 8:31 PM +0900, Philip Chee wrote: On 04/08/2013 18:41, Trane Francks wrote: On 8/4/13 2:33 PM +0900, Philip Chee wrote: I haven't looked into this in detail but in principle you could implement your own nsIAlertsService in javascript and make yours override the built in service. Hm. That's an interesting idea. It seems a bit more complex than I'd hoped, though, because the extension itself would need to be in charge of any audio notifications. This particular extension uses growlnotify (a CLI tool) to talk with Growl. As such, it's a one-trick pony in terms Are you sure it uses growlnotify? I'm referring to: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/addon/growlgntp-for-thunderbird/ Which uses the GNTP protocol. I started with Mitar's Growl New Message Notification 0.4.2: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-us/thunderbird/addon/growl-new-message-notification/ Since it claims compatibility with TB from 1.5-to-23.0, it seems like a reasonable base from which to jump. It talks to Growl via growlnotify, included in Growl 1.2.2 (the most current Growl version on Snow Leopard). This extension for Firefox from the same author does the same. https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/growlgntp/ There is a (much older) growl extension which just spawns a CLI tool to send growl notifications, but that's long obsolete. The GNTP stuff might be interesting to look at from the perspective of how to trigger on various flags, but the mechanism to talk to Growl 1.2.2 is going to either be by the now obsolete protocols or via growlnotify. I'll leave it up to others to work with implementing GNTP-based solutions as those will benefit SM users on Lion. GNTP won't see the light of day in Growl 1.2.2 unless somebody decides to check out the Growl source and shoehorn the protocol into a build. Cheers, trane -- / // Trane Franckstr...@gol.comTokyo, Japan // Practice random kindness and senseless acts of beauty. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Deleting Domain history (vaguely related to the thread above)
Sometimes I decide to delete some of the Cookie / Permissions / Preferences / Passwords / Storage settings for selected Websites. That does not have to mean all 5 sets - sometimes just one or two of them. Just doing that on a few sites frequently causes Seamonkey to suicide. Just like that it is gone, Mail Window, Browser Window, Downloads Window (if open), gone. When I restart it, whatever I wanted to delete is gone. I have not seen any collateral damage. This is not a big deal because I can plan for it (close most windows, no actual damage anyway) but I wondered if this instability is common. User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:22.0) Gecko/20100101 SeaMonkey/2.19 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: So long Growl, we hardly new ya
On 04/08/2013 19:59, Trane Francks wrote: The GNTP stuff might be interesting to look at from the perspective of how to trigger on various flags, but the mechanism to talk to Growl 1.2.2 is going to either be by the now obsolete protocols or via growlnotify. I'll leave it up to others to work with implementing GNTP-based solutions as those will benefit SM users on Lion. GNTP won't see the light of day in Growl 1.2.2 unless somebody decides to check out the Growl source and shoehorn the protocol into a build. Ah I see. Carry on then. Phil -- Philip Chee phi...@aleytys.pc.my, philip.c...@gmail.com http://flashblock.mozdev.org/ http://xsidebar.mozdev.org Guard us from the she-wolf and the wolf, and guard us from the thief, oh Night, and so be good for us to pass. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Why no thumb in vertical scroll bar?
A thumb is useful in synching text in long files with TextWrangler (edit HTML in TW; read in SM). I miss it! ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: So long Growl, we hardly new ya
On 8/4/13 10:06 PM +0900, Philip Chee wrote: On 04/08/2013 19:59, Trane Francks wrote: The GNTP stuff might be interesting to look at from the perspective of how to trigger on various flags, but the mechanism to talk to Growl 1.2.2 is going to either be by the now obsolete protocols or via growlnotify. I'll leave it up to others to work with implementing GNTP-based solutions as those will benefit SM users on Lion. GNTP won't see the light of day in Growl 1.2.2 unless somebody decides to check out the Growl source and shoehorn the protocol into a build. Ah I see. Carry on then. I managed to get this working. Not knowing anything about overlays and the chrome.manifest syntax had me confused. Once I realized the overlays for SeaMonkey had to be different than Thunderbird, it was an easy fix. Now disabling display notifications in SM prefs gives me a Growl notification. SM still does the audio. Perfect. I might hunt for the appropriate download flag to monitor and add it for completeness's sake. Once I'm satisfied it's all working, I'll contact the extension author and offer the updates. I really, really appreciate the support. Cheers, trane -- / // Trane Franckstr...@gol.comTokyo, Japan // Practice random kindness and senseless acts of beauty. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: sounds for SeaMonkey
Richard Owlett wrote, On 8/4/2013 6:21 AM: Bryan v. Roache wrote: Chris Ilias wrote, On 8/3/2013 11:25 AM: On 2013-08-03 9:27 AM, Bryan v. Roache wrote: hi, is their a plugin for SeaMonkey to give it IE click sounds? I don't think so. There's one for Firefox, but it's not made available for SeaMonkey. Well what can i do about this issue? i do not wish to install Firefox so is their any way to allow windows sounds at all? I'm of the computers should be silent and have never used IE. It has evidently been established that there is no generic answer to your request. Can you list specific sounds you would like to accompany specific actions or events. [Think of it as divide and conquer methodology. If the war cannot be won, at least some battles may be.] ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey well i am looking for a sound to tell you when they have feeds available. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Data Manager won't forget domain
Paul B. Gallagher schrieb: Hartmut Figge wrote: After selecting a domain http://www.triffids.de/pub/screenshot/da130804-a.png Yes, OK. After clicking on 'Forget About This Domain' on the context-menu of the domain http://www.triffids.de/pub/screenshot/da130804-b.png Nope, doesn't happen here. In this case only 'Content Preferences' is selectable. After selecting http://www.triffids.de/pub/screenshot/da130804-c.png Now 'Forget This Data' is clickable. What you describe would be acceptable. It's not what happens here. However, since we're discussing it and I'm playing with it, I just discovered that if I try to /delete/ a selected domain, your Forget tab does appear. That's probably what /should/ happen when I select Forget about this domain from the context menu, but it doesn't. not in 2.19, anyway. Both the delete key and the Forget about this domain context item call the same JS function, so this difference is strange. Does anything appear on the Error console when you call the context menu item? Robert Kaiser ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: So long Growl, we hardly new ya
On 04/08/2013 22:42, Trane Francks wrote: On 8/4/13 10:06 PM +0900, Philip Chee wrote: On 04/08/2013 19:59, Trane Francks wrote: The GNTP stuff might be interesting to look at from the perspective of how to trigger on various flags, but the mechanism to talk to Growl 1.2.2 is going to either be by the now obsolete protocols or via growlnotify. I'll leave it up to others to work with implementing GNTP-based solutions as those will benefit SM users on Lion. GNTP won't see the light of day in Growl 1.2.2 unless somebody decides to check out the Growl source and shoehorn the protocol into a build. Ah I see. Carry on then. I managed to get this working. Not knowing anything about overlays and the chrome.manifest syntax had me confused. Once I realized the overlays for SeaMonkey had to be different than Thunderbird, it was an easy fix. Now disabling display notifications in SM prefs gives me a Growl notification. SM still does the audio. Perfect. I might hunt for the appropriate download flag to monitor and add it for completeness's sake. Once I'm satisfied it's all working, I'll contact the extension author and offer the updates. This might help: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/annotate/0a63cd911b4f/toolkit/components/downloads/nsDownloadManager.cpp#l2761 You probably only need these: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/annotate/0a63cd911b4f/browser/metro/base/content/downloads.js#l52 Phil -- Philip Chee phi...@aleytys.pc.my, philip.c...@gmail.com http://flashblock.mozdev.org/ http://xsidebar.mozdev.org Guard us from the she-wolf and the wolf, and guard us from the thief, oh Night, and so be good for us to pass. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: So long Growl, we hardly new ya
On 8/5/13 1:05 AM +0900, Philip Chee wrote: On 04/08/2013 22:42, Trane Francks wrote: I might hunt for the appropriate download flag to monitor and add it for completeness's sake. Once I'm satisfied it's all working, I'll contact the extension author and offer the updates. This might help: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/annotate/0a63cd911b4f/toolkit/components/downloads/nsDownloadManager.cpp#l2761 You probably only need these: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/annotate/0a63cd911b4f/browser/metro/base/content/downloads.js#l52 Oh, yeah! That latter file looks to have all the gold. Most awesome, man. Thank you! trane -- / // Trane Franckstr...@gol.comTokyo, Japan // Practice random kindness and senseless acts of beauty. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: sounds for SeaMonkey
Bryan v. Roache wrote: Richard Owlett wrote, On 8/4/2013 6:21 AM: Bryan v. Roache wrote: Chris Ilias wrote, On 8/3/2013 11:25 AM: On 2013-08-03 9:27 AM, Bryan v. Roache wrote: hi, is their a plugin for SeaMonkey to give it IE click sounds? I don't think so. There's one for Firefox, but it's not made available for SeaMonkey. Well what can i do about this issue? i do not wish to install Firefox so is their any way to allow windows sounds at all? I'm of the computers should be silent and have never used IE. It has evidently been established that there is no generic answer to your request. Can you list specific sounds you would like to accompany specific actions or events. [Think of it as divide and conquer methodology. If the war cannot be won, at least some battles may be.] well i am looking for a sound to tell you when they have feeds available. For arriving mail To enable/disable the audio alert upon receiving a new mail under SeaMonkey: Click on the Edit Menu Preferences Mail Newsgroups Notifications In the right pane check/uncheck the box next to Play a sound [thanks to http://en.kioskea.net/faq/12831-seamonkey-disable-audio-alert-when-receiving-a-new-mail] If you are referring to Chatzilla or RSS, this links may be useful: https://www.google.com/search?q=allintext:+seamonkey+chatzilla+sound https://www.google.com/search?q=allintext:+seamonkey+rss+sound https://www.google.com/search?q=allintext:+seamonkey+sound+mail HTH ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Data Manager won't forget domain
Robert Kaiser wrote:
Paul B. Gallagher schrieb:
However, since we're discussing it and I'm playing with it, I just
discovered that if I try to /delete/ a selected domain, your
Forget tab does appear. That's probably what /should/ happen when
I select Forget about this domain from the context menu, but it
doesn't. not in 2.19, anyway.
Both the delete key and the Forget about this domain context item
call the same JS function, so this difference is strange. Does
anything appear on the Error console when you call the context menu
item?
Agree, it's strange.
For some reason, it's acting as expected this morning, but it wasn't
yesterday. However, I did get this when I tried it a moment ago:
Timestamp: 8/4/2013 2:02:05 PM
Error: [Exception... '[JavaScript Error: browser is undefined {file:
chrome://communicator/content/viewZoomOverlay.js line: 288}]' when
calling method: [nsIContentPrefObserver::onContentPrefRemoved]
nsresult: 0x80570021 (NS_ERROR_XPC_JAVASCRIPT_ERROR_WITH_DETAILS)
location: JS frame :: resource://gre/components/nsContentPrefService.js
:: ContentPrefService__notifyPrefRemoved :: line 600 data: yes]
Source File: resource://gre/components/nsContentPrefService.js
Line: 603
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Re: So long Growl, we hardly new ya
Rufus wrote: PhillipJones wrote: Rufus wrote: Daniel wrote: Trane Francks wrote: On 8/3/13 1:56 AM +0900, Philip Chee wrote: There is an extension for Thunderbird: Growl/GNTP for Thunderbird https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/addon/growlgntp-for-thunderbird/ Requires a version of Growl that supports GNTP, such as Growl for Windows (http://www.growlforwindows.com). NOTE: Growl v1.2 and lower on OSX does *not* support the GNTP protocol and thus will not show notifications sent by this plugin. Growl on OSX will support GNTP in their v2.0 release and this plugin should work with that version at that time. That'll be a good solution for users on OS X 10.7 (Lion), but it still leaves us folks on Snow Leopard in the cold. Growl 1.2.2 is the latest version that is compatible with Snow Leopard. So, it still seems that I'll need to figure out how to roll my own extension using the legacy protocol bindings. I have a hangover, so it won't be today. :-P Cheers, Phil. trane Trane, have you tried using http://code.google.com/p/seamonkey-ppc/ SeaMonkey?? I know it specifically mentions working with G4/G5 Macs, but might also work with your Growl!! (at least until the V 2 comes out!!) ...why can't people just set a Rule for the sound they want to hear when an e-mail comes in from a particular source? Personally, I don't use SM as my primary mail client - I use Apple Mail. I only use SM Mail for convenience as I'm browsing or usenetting...is that a word? I don't use Mail. I use SM as my Default app for mail newsgroups and web Browsing. FireFox and Thunderbird don't work seamlessly together. if you click on a Mailto in a website it opens a Blank webpage before it opens Thunderbird and doesn't populate the email address into the blank message. I've reported this to bugizaal numerous times and nothing is done about it. If you open Apple Mail.app and set the default Mail app the to app of your choice it will work seamlessly - a Mailto link should open your choice of mail app, but you have to set the default in Mail.app. My default is Mail.app, but because SM is a contained suite it defaults to SM Mail even though my default is Mail.app. If I ever transition to Safari/Thunderbird I'll set TB as my default but still keep Mail.app open on my desktop for non-browsing use. When I have had TB and FF I have set mail to TB and and web browsing to FF still have the issues with the intervening blank web Page and the unfilled out to: in the address. With SeaMokey you don't have that you click to a mailto it switche to email component with address already filled out. If you click on a web link in an email it automatically switches to the open web page. in the TB SM set up you end up with the web page but a Blank page to the front. Has always been that way on the Mac platform I've reported it several times but it has been ignored. So I will will stick with SM. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T. If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.netmailto:pjones...@comcast.net ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: So long Growl, we hardly new ya
Rufus wrote: PhillipJones wrote: Geoff Welsh wrote: Chris Ilias wrote: On 2013-08-03 6:52 AM, Daniel wrote: Trane, have you tried using http://code.google.com/p/seamonkey-ppc/ SeaMonkey?? I know it specifically mentions working with G4/G5 Macs, but might also work with your Growl!! (at least until the V 2 comes out!!) PPC support has nothing to do with Growl support. and the OP doesn't have a PPC in this thread. He's talking about OSX 10.6, Snow Leopard. The first OSX to absolutely positively NOT run on PPC. GW No your wrong on that Snow Leopard (OSX.6.8) is the last OSX to have Rosetta built-in. Rosetta allows(ed) PowerPC applications to run on intel machines. The first OSX version to not have Rosetta built in was Lion (OSX.7.x). SnoLep was the first OS X not to have Rosetta installed by default, though it was provided on the install disc for user install - https://support.apple.com/kb/ph6531 They did kill it for good with 10.7 and up. They way it worked on Snow Leopard (OSX.6.8) it may or may not be installed or be installed automatically the first time you opened a PPC application. If you never opened on a PPC app then it didn't install. Starting with Lion (OSX.7.x) it didn't exist period. Apple let the license lapse. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T. If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.netmailto:pjones...@comcast.net ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: So long Growl, we hardly new ya
Rufus wrote: Trane Francks wrote: On 8/4/13 4:10 AM +0900, Rufus wrote: ...why can't people just set a Rule for the sound they want to hear when an e-mail comes in from a particular source? Why can't some people recognize that other people have other preferences and/or work-flow requirements? ;-) ...yeah - but you're out in the cold, so it's time to light a fire. I have 8 accounts and all manner of different processing priorities. I suppose I could take a month and drum up different sound bites for each account, customer and severity, but it STILL isn't as easy as looking up at the Growl notification and seeing who it's from. I deal with hundreds of messages/day. Growl enables me to do triage without having to disrupt what I'm currently doing. I'd use rules again - starting with each account sorting into appropriate inboxes/filing systems. And again, using a different sound for each account if not sender...that's not much different from using a cell phone. You could even have the System read them to you, pretty sure that's built in though Assistive Services - but then I hate talking machines more than Growl or Notification Center...but you could do it that way, I think. Personally, I don't use SM as my primary mail client - I use Apple Mail. I only use SM Mail for convenience as I'm browsing or usenetting...is that a word? And that's something I tried, but didn't enjoy at all. I've been using the classic suite for browsing and mail since 1997 (Communicator). I've used it on OS/2, Linux and, since 2007, OS X. Besides, once Apple stops supporting Snow Leopard and I'm forced to upgrade to Lion, the last thing I want to use is Mail.app with its full-screen mode. Ick. YMMV an' all that. :) trane I haven't upgraded to 10.8 and was suspicious of 10.7 because of full screen apps until I got my Mini - at least with 10.7 you have an option to go full screen or not, and from what I've seen of ML it's pretty much the same...but I haven't really seen much of the bigger cat. I have had a brief encounter with Windoze 8 and real full screen apps and found it absolutely, 110%, *HATEFUL*. So I feel your pain. Supported or not, my SnoLep machines will never be upgraded...and my 10.7 machine probably won't be either. The only way I'll ever get ML will be to buy a new machine, and even then I'll likely partition and install a reversion - back to 10.6.8 if I have to. I use Mountain Lion (OSX.8.x) all the time and you switch to full screen mode by click on a button that lookes like two arrows one point to upper left and one lower right. Click on that and it goes full screen. to get out either press the esc key or just mouse up to very top of page where the menu autmagically reappears then mouse over to the same arrow button this time its highlighted in bright blue. Click on it and full screen disappears. The biggest thing I don't like and have turned off saving backups that you can remove to desktop. and spaces which I don't use. When I switch to (Mavericks OSX.9.x) there will be additional crap I will have to turn off. In applications that are setup for Mountain Lion (OSX.8.x) there is no Save As but a Duplicate feature however Apple put it back after the outcry from users you have to hold down Option Key then ⌘-S I was one of the ones to put up a fuss. Using Save you append the changed material to the end of the document with Pointer to make and view and Print correctly. The problem with this is; it makes the document more complex and easier to corrupt and Break. Using Save As you make a fresh new document with all the appended material placed in proper position and all the pointers removed that were at the end of the document. This makes the document more efficient, compact, and removes any possible corruption. In the new duplicate feature your just making an exact copy of the saved document with all the appendages. They screwed up big time on that one. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T. If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.netmailto:pjones...@comcast.net ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: So long Growl, we hardly new ya
Trane Francks wrote: On 8/5/13 1:05 AM +0900, Philip Chee wrote: On 04/08/2013 22:42, Trane Francks wrote: I might hunt for the appropriate download flag to monitor and add it for completeness's sake. Once I'm satisfied it's all working, I'll contact the extension author and offer the updates. This might help: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/annotate/0a63cd911b4f/toolkit/components/downloads/nsDownloadManager.cpp#l2761 You probably only need these: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/annotate/0a63cd911b4f/browser/metro/base/content/downloads.js#l52 Oh, yeah! That latter file looks to have all the gold. Most awesome, man. Thank you! trane Now that you have whipped the Growl debacle. Maybe you could work on NoSquint! for Modern SeaMonkey. Phil Chee made an altered version to work on the SM 1.X versions and said he would get around to create a version for 2x . But doesn't have time or lost interest. Would help use people with eyesight issues. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T. If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.netmailto:pjones...@comcast.net ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: So long Growl, we hardly new ya
PhillipJones wrote: Trane Francks wrote: On 8/5/13 1:05 AM +0900, Philip Chee wrote: On 04/08/2013 22:42, Trane Francks wrote: I might hunt for the appropriate download flag to monitor and add it for completeness's sake. Once I'm satisfied it's all working, I'll contact the extension author and offer the updates. This might help: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/annotate/0a63cd911b4f/toolkit/components/downloads/nsDownloadManager.cpp#l2761 You probably only need these: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/annotate/0a63cd911b4f/browser/metro/base/content/downloads.js#l52 Oh, yeah! That latter file looks to have all the gold. Most awesome, man. Thank you! trane Now that you have whipped the Growl debacle. Maybe you could work on NoSquint! for Modern SeaMonkey. Phil Chee made an altered version to work on the SM 1.X versions and said he would get around to create a version for 2x . But doesn't have time or lost interest. Would help use people with eyesight issues. ...so would getting rid of the crappy tiny buttons. -- - Rufus ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: So long Growl, we hardly new ya
Rufus wrote: PhillipJones wrote: Trane Francks wrote: On 8/5/13 1:05 AM +0900, Philip Chee wrote: On 04/08/2013 22:42, Trane Francks wrote: I might hunt for the appropriate download flag to monitor and add it for completeness's sake. Once I'm satisfied it's all working, I'll contact the extension author and offer the updates. This might help: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/annotate/0a63cd911b4f/toolkit/components/downloads/nsDownloadManager.cpp#l2761 You probably only need these: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/annotate/0a63cd911b4f/browser/metro/base/content/downloads.js#l52 Oh, yeah! That latter file looks to have all the gold. Most awesome, man. Thank you! trane Now that you have whipped the Growl debacle. Maybe you could work on NoSquint! for Modern SeaMonkey. Phil Chee made an altered version to work on the SM 1.X versions and said he would get around to create a version for 2x . But doesn't have time or lost interest. Would help use people with eyesight issues. ...so would getting rid of the crappy tiny buttons. Well Just upgrade my old trusty SM 1.x version and just like I feared QuoteColors don't work. %^$ I've had to upgrade because recently video from YouTube have been crashing my old versio suspect they are using html5 -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T. If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.netmailto:pjones...@comcast.net ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: So long Growl, we hardly new ya
PhillipJones wrote: Rufus wrote: PhillipJones wrote: Trane Francks wrote: On 8/5/13 1:05 AM +0900, Philip Chee wrote: On 04/08/2013 22:42, Trane Francks wrote: I might hunt for the appropriate download flag to monitor and add it for completeness's sake. Once I'm satisfied it's all working, I'll contact the extension author and offer the updates. This might help: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/annotate/0a63cd911b4f/toolkit/components/downloads/nsDownloadManager.cpp#l2761 You probably only need these: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/annotate/0a63cd911b4f/browser/metro/base/content/downloads.js#l52 Oh, yeah! That latter file looks to have all the gold. Most awesome, man. Thank you! trane Now that you have whipped the Growl debacle. Maybe you could work on NoSquint! for Modern SeaMonkey. Phil Chee made an altered version to work on the SM 1.X versions and said he would get around to create a version for 2x . But doesn't have time or lost interest. Would help use people with eyesight issues. ...so would getting rid of the crappy tiny buttons. Well Just upgrade my old trusty SM 1.x version and just like I feared QuoteColors don't work. %^$ I've had to upgrade because recently video from YouTube have been crashing my old version suspect they are using html5 Now I'll have to find a Replacement for QuoteColors and NoSquint. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T. If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.netmailto:pjones...@comcast.net ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Cut and Past from Word to Seamonkey is gibberish for Outlook users
Daniel wrote, On 04/08/2013 12:14: Ray_Net wrote: Daniel wrote, On 03/08/2013 13:23: Ray_Net wrote: hawker wrote, On 02/08/2013 21:07: On 8/2/2013 3:03 PM, BIll Spikowski wrote: hawker wrote: On 8/2/2013 2:39 PM, BIll Spikowski wrote: hawker wrote: On 8/2/2013 1:44 PM, BIll Spikowski wrote: hawker wrote: I keep getting complaints from those who use Outlook that when I cut and paste from MS Word all they get is Greek letters and/or gibberish with MS font inserts and such. I'm only cutting and pasting standard text. It looks fine for all other mail clients. Any ideas what causes this or if there is something I can do about it? Dumping on Outlook is not an answer. Folks are going to use it, no matter what we think. If it looks fine in SM it should look fine in Outlook. In Word, you're NEVER cutting and pasting just standard text! Have you tried stripping out the MSjunk by first pasting your text into Wordpad or Notepad, then copying it again from there? Yep that fixes it but then I loose all formatting. Interesting that when I copy/past into Seamonkey it looks fine in Seamonkey, G-Mail, My Android phone, and others but does not look correct in Outlook. Perhaps an Outlook support group could provide a solid workaround for this problem? Are we going to play the pass the blame game now? I don't have outlook, I don't use outlook, but I recognize the majority of the business world does - right or wrong it is the reality. We can't pawn this off as outlook is broken it is what folks use. Seamonkey should play nicely with it, weather we think it is broken, compliant or not. It is similar to the way folks get their hackles up on the this website looks fine in everything but Mozilla X - Mozilla X group the website is broken tell them to fix it, I'm not taking responsibility - OP But it works fine in everything else I don't understand your rant. You have a problem converting data from one MS product to another MS product -- and you're upset that someone suggests you consult MS experts for assistance? No I have a problem that the way Seamonkey takes clipboard data from an MS product does not work with all e-mail clients and that Seamonky WYSIWYG is not working correctly under the hood. I'm sure if I went from Word to Outlook directly it would work fine. It is Seamonkey that seems to mangle it. This is a Seamonkey issue not MS. My guess is it is a Clipboard parsing problem in Seamonkey. Don't expect a solution in SM - the developper think they are the best. (if they follow the W3C rules, every other program will be able to read it correctly, or perhaps a rule is broken :-) ) Don't expecte a solution in word nor in outlook - microsoft developpers will say that passing thru SM have killed the clipboard data. Did you notice, above, the OP wrote It looks fine for all other mail clients. So it works for MS Word to SM to Chrome, for MS Word to SM to Opera, etc, but doesn't work for MS Word to SM to MS Outlook... so we *must* blame SM *NOT* So what ? Will his problem be corrected ? SM is not breaking this situation, SM is not making the problem so get MS to fix their situation!! And MS will say .If you use Word-Copy and Outlook-Paste, then send the mail, All will be ok, It's SM that kills the Clipboard data. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Grumble Grumble
JohnW-Mpls wrote: Another problem with updates - I went back from SM 2.19 to 2.17.1 because of XP Clipboard problems and now Java is asking me to do a bunch of things because I am not using the latest SM version. This does not please me - not only does SM keep pressuring me to update to 2.19 but now other vendors join in and add to my grumbling. SeaMonkey is a tool to help me do things but because it is a new technology tool, changes are expected. However, I want to be able to use such a tool for a reasonable time, such as a 1/4 of a year, before I have to do things to just keep using the tool. Nobody likes updates, BUT SeaMonkey is not really a new technology but is a steadily improving open source system. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Grumble Grumble
Rick Merrill wrote: JohnW-Mpls wrote: Another problem with updates - I went back from SM 2.19 to 2.17.1 because of XP Clipboard problems and now Java is asking me to do a bunch of things because I am not using the latest SM version. This does not please me - not only does SM keep pressuring me to update to 2.19 but now other vendors join in and add to my grumbling. SeaMonkey is a tool to help me do things but because it is a new technology tool, changes are expected. However, I want to be able to use such a tool for a reasonable time, such as a 1/4 of a year, before I have to do things to just keep using the tool. Nobody likes updates, BUT SeaMonkey is not really a new technology but is a steadily improving open source system. I just went back to 2.014 went all the way up to 2.20 lost all my bookmarks every last one of them QuoteColors would no longer work. Would like to go up to 2.19 at least because some websites are now crashing. But can't figure out how to export my book marks. Good thing I have Time machine to restore my Profile. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T. If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.netmailto:pjones...@comcast.net ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Grumble Grumble
PhillipJones wrote: Rick Merrill wrote: JohnW-Mpls wrote: Another problem with updates - I went back from SM 2.19 to 2.17.1 because of XP Clipboard problems and now Java is asking me to do a bunch of things because I am not using the latest SM version. This does not please me - not only does SM keep pressuring me to update to 2.19 but now other vendors join in and add to my grumbling. SeaMonkey is a tool to help me do things but because it is a new technology tool, changes are expected. However, I want to be able to use such a tool for a reasonable time, such as a 1/4 of a year, before I have to do things to just keep using the tool. Nobody likes updates, BUT SeaMonkey is not really a new technology but is a steadily improving open source system. I just went back to 2.014 went all the way up to 2.20 lost all my bookmarks every last one of them QuoteColors would no longer work. Would like to go up to 2.19 at least because some websites are now crashing. But can't figure out how to export my book marks. Good thing I have Time machine to restore my Profile. Okay I went back to 2.014 restored my Profile exported as html file all my bookmarks Then reinstalled 2.19 and imported the links. I've got them back. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T. If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.netmailto:pjones...@comcast.net ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
SM19 Email Problems
Hi: The list on the left now has 1-1/2 or 2 line spacing instead of the prior single line spacing. How to get single line spacing? The text of the email in the lower right window is in very fine print. How to enlarge the font? -- Have Fun, Brooke Clarke http://www.PRC68.com http://www.end2partygovernment.com/2012Issues.html ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Accentuated characters
accentuated characters looks like they are created in utf8 and read in iso when SM receive a mail crated by live-mail using a gmail account. Mail very difficult to read ...BUT . If a do a forward or a Edit as new message all accentuated characters are OK How is it possible to have a perfect text when we do a forward or an Edit msg as new and having an horrible renderning when reading the received mail. Example: D'après les échos de chez l'une ou l'autre guide instead of : D'après les échos de chez l'une ou l'autre guide ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Cut and Past from Word to Seamonkey is gibberish for Outlook users
Ray_Net wrote: Daniel wrote, On 04/08/2013 12:14: Ray_Net wrote: Daniel wrote, On 03/08/2013 13:23: Ray_Net wrote: hawker wrote, On 02/08/2013 21:07: On 8/2/2013 3:03 PM, BIll Spikowski wrote: hawker wrote: On 8/2/2013 2:39 PM, BIll Spikowski wrote: hawker wrote: On 8/2/2013 1:44 PM, BIll Spikowski wrote: hawker wrote: I keep getting complaints from those who use Outlook that when I cut and paste from MS Word all they get is Greek letters and/or gibberish with MS font inserts and such. I'm only cutting and pasting standard text. It looks fine for all other mail clients. Any ideas what causes this or if there is something I can do about it? Dumping on Outlook is not an answer. Folks are going to use it, no matter what we think. If it looks fine in SM it should look fine in Outlook. In Word, you're NEVER cutting and pasting just standard text! Have you tried stripping out the MSjunk by first pasting your text into Wordpad or Notepad, then copying it again from there? Yep that fixes it but then I loose all formatting. Interesting that when I copy/past into Seamonkey it looks fine in Seamonkey, G-Mail, My Android phone, and others but does not look correct in Outlook. Perhaps an Outlook support group could provide a solid workaround for this problem? Are we going to play the pass the blame game now? I don't have outlook, I don't use outlook, but I recognize the majority of the business world does - right or wrong it is the reality. We can't pawn this off as outlook is broken it is what folks use. Seamonkey should play nicely with it, weather we think it is broken, compliant or not. It is similar to the way folks get their hackles up on the this website looks fine in everything but Mozilla X - Mozilla X group the website is broken tell them to fix it, I'm not taking responsibility - OP But it works fine in everything else I don't understand your rant. You have a problem converting data from one MS product to another MS product -- and you're upset that someone suggests you consult MS experts for assistance? No I have a problem that the way Seamonkey takes clipboard data from an MS product does not work with all e-mail clients and that Seamonky WYSIWYG is not working correctly under the hood. I'm sure if I went from Word to Outlook directly it would work fine. It is Seamonkey that seems to mangle it. This is a Seamonkey issue not MS. My guess is it is a Clipboard parsing problem in Seamonkey. Don't expect a solution in SM - the developper think they are the best. (if they follow the W3C rules, every other program will be able to read it correctly, or perhaps a rule is broken :-) ) Don't expecte a solution in word nor in outlook - microsoft developpers will say that passing thru SM have killed the clipboard data. Did you notice, above, the OP wrote It looks fine for all other mail clients. So it works for MS Word to SM to Chrome, for MS Word to SM to Opera, etc, but doesn't work for MS Word to SM to MS Outlook... so we *must* blame SM *NOT* So what ? Will his problem be corrected ? SM is not breaking this situation, SM is not making the problem so get MS to fix their situation!! And MS will say .If you use Word-Copy and Outlook-Paste, then send the mail, All will be ok, It's SM that kills the Clipboard data. If you look at it from MS's perspective, as Word as a do-all text processor for documents, text, and HTML, then it makes some sense. Not a lot, but /some/. Assuming (as Word does) that you /might/ be composing an HTML doc, when you highlight, hit Copy, Word assumes you want to also copy all the underlying code along with the text. Okay, in our discussion here, we do NOT want ANY of the underlying code. Still, for users who don't know any better and who use Word to make HTML files this makes some sense. Of course, in the real world (people who actually know what the hell they're doing) it makes no sense at all. I'm not certain of the underlying code and functions in SeaMonkey but I suspect that SM is doing what it probably should: Pasting what's on the Windows clipboard (put there by Word) ... INCLUDING all the crap that MS Word includes. The not-so-elegant answer is to do what's been suggested up-thread: Copy from Word, paste into a plain-text editor (Notepad etc.), highlight, copy, then paste into SM. Arguing about who's right or wrong doesn't solve the issue. This does. -- Ed Mullen http://edmullen.net/ Why do people point to their wrist when asking for the time, but not to their crotch when they ask where the toilet is? ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Data Manager won't forget domain
Paul B. Gallagher schrieb:
Robert Kaiser wrote:
Paul B. Gallagher schrieb:
However, since we're discussing it and I'm playing with it, I just
discovered that if I try to /delete/ a selected domain, your
Forget tab does appear. That's probably what /should/ happen when
I select Forget about this domain from the context menu, but it
doesn't. not in 2.19, anyway.
Both the delete key and the Forget about this domain context item
call the same JS function, so this difference is strange. Does
anything appear on the Error console when you call the context menu
item?
Agree, it's strange.
For some reason, it's acting as expected this morning, but it wasn't
yesterday. However, I did get this when I tried it a moment ago:
Timestamp: 8/4/2013 2:02:05 PM
Error: [Exception... '[JavaScript Error: browser is undefined {file:
chrome://communicator/content/viewZoomOverlay.js line: 288}]' when
calling method: [nsIContentPrefObserver::onContentPrefRemoved]
nsresult: 0x80570021 (NS_ERROR_XPC_JAVASCRIPT_ERROR_WITH_DETAILS)
location: JS frame :: resource://gre/components/nsContentPrefService.js
:: ContentPrefService__notifyPrefRemoved :: line 600 data: yes]
Source File: resource://gre/components/nsContentPrefService.js
Line: 603
Sounds like a bug, even thought not directly in the Data Manager. Should
probably be filed.
Robert Kaiser
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Re: Data Manager won't forget domain
Robert Kaiser wrote:
Paul B. Gallagher schrieb:
Robert Kaiser wrote:
Paul B. Gallagher schrieb:
However, since we're discussing it and I'm playing with it, I just
discovered that if I try to /delete/ a selected domain, your
Forget tab does appear. That's probably what /should/ happen when
I select Forget about this domain from the context menu, but it
doesn't. not in 2.19, anyway.
Both the delete key and the Forget about this domain context item
call the same JS function, so this difference is strange. Does
anything appear on the Error console when you call the context menu
item?
Agree, it's strange.
For some reason, it's acting as expected this morning, but it wasn't
yesterday. However, I did get this when I tried it a moment ago:
Timestamp: 8/4/2013 2:02:05 PM
Error: [Exception... '[JavaScript Error: browser is undefined {file:
chrome://communicator/content/viewZoomOverlay.js line: 288}]' when
calling method: [nsIContentPrefObserver::onContentPrefRemoved]
nsresult: 0x80570021 (NS_ERROR_XPC_JAVASCRIPT_ERROR_WITH_DETAILS)
location: JS frame :: resource://gre/components/nsContentPrefService.js
:: ContentPrefService__notifyPrefRemoved :: line 600 data: yes]
Source File: resource://gre/components/nsContentPrefService.js
Line: 603
Sounds like a bug, even thought not directly in the Data Manager. Should
probably be filed.
If I can reproduce it reliably, I will.
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Re: So long Growl, we hardly new ya
On 2013-08-03 13:18 (GMT-0400) Chris Ilias composed: I'm not sure what you're referring to by dumb down It means removing previously included functionality, which generally means fewer choices that a user can make in a default installation; simplification at the expense of power and flexibility absent complicating an installation via extensions, or needing to substitute other tools. Fewer choices generally means easier to use for the less well mentally endowed (aka dumber, and cutting _down_ feature count). -- The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive. Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Tiny desktop icons
When I drag the icon from the address bar to my desktop to create a link to a web page, the icon it creates is a white square with a tiny icon in the middle. The icon is the same size as the tiny icon on the address bar. IE will create a normal size icon. How do I get SeaMonkey to create a normal icon too? TIA, Jim ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
