Re: Images in SeaMonkey makes images always too big.
Ed Mullen Aug 24 Ray_Net pounded out : - show quoted text - Because the OP is ill-informed and/or clueless about the Web and how it works. - show quoted text - Above we have the breathtakingly helpful reply by someone unable to make any contribution to better use of SeaMonkey, AFAIAC. We surely all enjoy helpful advice to make us all understand the Web better, and expressed in simple language without needing a university degree. SeaMonkey NERDS are sort of like the brave professorial types who might stand up to give a lecture for 1/2 an hour without any member of his audience having any idea what he is saying. I'm sure you've been at colleges and schools where teachers put you off to sleep. But I digress. 2 days back I made up a web page using only MS Word, complete with images. http://www.turneraudio.com.au/80W-AB1-amp-2014.html It worked fine on my local disc browsers with Firefox, and Chrome. So I posted it up to my website and then some images were shown and some were not, and after a few hours of mucking about re-inserting images images and trialing the re-posted page, I gave up. Nerds had won. Then I copied all text into a Windows Notepad file, and saved it on my C-drive as a rich text doc. About 30kB. I'd redone the line wrapping, took awhile. Then I got rid of the web-page html folder and its files from my site. Then I started a new SeaMonkey composer and pasted the contents of Notepad into the new page, and of course formatting all vanished, so I went right down the page to wrap lines in Composer manually because I don't know how to make text wrap so it looks well on a 40cm screen OR a 250cm screen. I'd also discovered that once you have selected an image you want to include in a page, you ALSO can determine its size on the page, but while retaining all the picture info. This is done by selecting 'image size' then click dot at 'custom', and adjusting pixels to anything you want, and this way I get my images to look much better with the text. I did minimum alteration and editing to text in Composer, maybe its better not to edit too much lest you confuse the poor little darling. Finally, I checked to see if page worked on local 2 local browsers, yes, all OK, images now have the size I want, except that Firefox won't show different page colors or text colours. I can live with that. Then I posted up the completed re-done page and it seems to work OK when I browse it from my website via the Internet, ie, online. So, until I have another horrible problem I might just STFU and keep on cruisin' through my life without needing to learn all about how to do html manually. Patrick Turner. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Images in SeaMonkey makes images always too big.
Patrick Turner wrote:
Then I posted up the completed re-done page and it seems to work OK
when I browse it from my website via the Internet, ie, online.
http://www.turneraudio.com.au/80W-AB1-amp-2014.html
And this :
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-j6lISKa1Grw/U_r9rGVy-kI/JGQ/IRblj2UxFJA/s640/Fullscreen%2520capture%252025082014%2520100730.jpg
is what it looks like here.
PLEASE, Patrick, invest a tiny tiny part of your life in understand
the web philosophy (the viewer decides line length, font size, etc.,
not the author) and stop trying to inflict /your/ ideas of optimal
line length on others. Remove all those horrible brs that represent
/your/ idea of an optimal line turn, learn about p {max-width: 42em},
and move out of the 19th century into the 21st. Then, and only then,
will you stand the slightest chance of your visitors seeing the page
at its best, rather than as the monstrosity that it is today. And then
you might like to pay some attention to the prose, because in places
it appears to demonstrate all the literacy skills of a 10-year-old
with learning difficulties.
Very sincerely :
Philip Taylor
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Re: Images in SeaMonkey makes images always too big.
Patrick Turner wrote: Ed Mullen Aug 24 Ray_Net pounded out : - show quoted text - Because the OP is ill-informed and/or clueless about the Web and how it works. - show quoted text - Above we have the breathtakingly helpful reply by someone unable to make any contribution to better use of SeaMonkey, AFAIAC. We surely all enjoy helpful advice to make us all understand the Web better, and expressed in simple language without needing a university degree. SeaMonkey NERDS are sort of like the brave professorial types who might stand up to give a lecture for 1/2 an hour without any member of his audience having any idea what he is saying. I'm sure you've been at colleges and schools where teachers put you off to sleep. Actually, Ray_Net has made many contributions to better use of SeaMonkey over the years, but he is clearly unwilling to help with your specific issue within the specific terms and conditions that you have established. If I may be permitted an analogy... Some users like to use radios, but they are unconcerned with the innards. They just want to turn them on, fiddle with the tuner and volume, and listen, end of story. A few hobbyists want to know more, to design and build their own radios, but that's not you. You've come here to a room full of geeks who understand what's going on under the hood, some who have built their own radios by hand, and asked technical questions that must be answered in technical terms, but refused to accept any of the several helpful answers because they were couched in technical terms. Most of us have smiled or chuckled but kept our mouths shut, knowing your problems are unsolvable on these terms, but a few have tried vainly to help and a few have expressed their frustration. Now you complain that a geek is frustrated, and post yet another long question that can only be answered in technical terms but must not be. It's time for you to choose. You're entitled to be a hobbyist, and you're entitled to be a dummy, but you can't demand dummy answers to hobbyist questions. This isn't Ray_Net's fault. But I digress. ... Oh well. -- War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. -- Paul B. Gallagher ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Image sizing in Mail/News
Someone mentioned in the Thunderbird group that TB fits large images to the viewport in an email like SeaMonkey's browser does. Doesn't seem to work for emails in SM. I used about:config in both SM and TB to check for zoom and the settings are almost identical. But no image-fitting in SM mail. Any thoughts? -- Ed Mullen http://edmullen.net/ If a mute swears does his mother wash his hands with soap? ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Images in SeaMonkey makes images always too big.
Patrick Turner wrote, On 25/08/2014 10:44: Ed Mullen Aug 24 Ray_Net pounded out : - show quoted text - Because the OP is ill-informed and/or clueless about the Web and how it works. - show quoted text - I never said that I just said that if you use MS Word to compose a page - READ it with MS Internet Explorer and don't play with other browser like SeaMonkey And i have also said that if you think that because your page is OK on your pc automatically this page is good on my pc is WRONG. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Images in SeaMonkey makes images always too big.
Chris Ilias is apparently too distracted by his other work to read carefully and understand that this is not a personal attack, so I'm reposting it without the word he's misconstruing. I hope he reads it correctly this time and lets it though. Patrick Turner wrote: Ed Mullen Aug 24 Ray_Net pounded out : - show quoted text - Because the OP is ill-informed and/or clueless about the Web and how it works. - show quoted text - Above we have the breathtakingly helpful reply by someone unable to make any contribution to better use of SeaMonkey, AFAIAC. We surely all enjoy helpful advice to make us all understand the Web better, and expressed in simple language without needing a university degree. SeaMonkey NERDS are sort of like the brave professorial types who might stand up to give a lecture for 1/2 an hour without any member of his audience having any idea what he is saying. I'm sure you've been at colleges and schools where teachers put you off to sleep. Actually, Ray_Net has made many contributions to better use of SeaMonkey over the years, but he is clearly unwilling to help with your specific issue within the specific terms and conditions that you have established. If I may be permitted an analogy... Some users like to use radios, but they are unconcerned with the innards. They just want to turn them on, fiddle with the tuner and volume, and listen, end of story. A few hobbyists want to know more, to design and build their own radios, but that's not you. You've come here to a room full of geeks who understand what's going on under the hood, some who have built their own radios by hand, and asked technical questions that must be answered in technical terms, but refused to accept any of the several helpful answers because they were couched in technical terms. Most of us have smiled or chuckled but kept our mouths shut, knowing your problems are unsolvable on these terms, but a few have tried vainly to help and a few have expressed their frustration. Now you complain that a geek is frustrated, and post yet another long question that can only be answered in technical terms but must not be. It's time for you to choose. You're entitled to be a hobbyist, and you're entitled to be a user, but you can't demand user answers to hobbyist questions. This isn't Ray_Net's fault. But I digress. ... Oh well. -- War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. -- Paul B. Gallagher ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Image sizing in Mail/News
Ed Mullen wrote: Someone mentioned in the Thunderbird group that TB fits large images to the viewport in an email like SeaMonkey's browser does. Doesn't seem to work for emails in SM. I used about:config in both SM and TB to check for zoom and the settings are almost identical. But no image-fitting in SM mail. Any thoughts? Have you tried: Edit | Preferences | Appearance | Content | resize large images to fit in the browser window ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Image sizing in Mail/News
BIll Spikowski wrote: Ed Mullen wrote: Someone mentioned in the Thunderbird group that TB fits large images to the viewport in an email like SeaMonkey's browser does. Doesn't seem to work for emails in SM. I used about:config in both SM and TB to check for zoom and the settings are almost identical. But no image-fitting in SM mail. Any thoughts? Have you tried: Edit | Preferences | Appearance | Content | resize large images to fit in the browser window It might work (I haven't tried it) but why /should/ a preference that refers explicitly to the browser window affect the appearance of images appearing in the e-mail window ? Philip Taylor ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Image sizing in Mail/News
BIll Spikowski wrote: Ed Mullen wrote: Someone mentioned in the Thunderbird group that TB fits large images to the viewport in an email like SeaMonkey's browser does. Doesn't seem to work for emails in SM. I used about:config in both SM and TB to check for zoom and the settings are almost identical. But no image-fitting in SM mail. Any thoughts? Have you tried: Edit | Preferences | Appearance | Content | resize large images to fit in the browser window You can also click an oversize image once to fit it to the window, just as you can in the browser. You can set a global policy as BIll suggests, or just do it once in a while on the fly. Up to you. -- War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. -- Paul B. Gallagher ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Image sizing in Mail/News
Philip Taylor wrote: BIll Spikowski wrote: Ed Mullen wrote: Someone mentioned in the Thunderbird group that TB fits large images to the viewport in an email like SeaMonkey's browser does. Doesn't seem to work for emails in SM. I used about:config in both SM and TB to check for zoom and the settings are almost identical. But no image-fitting in SM mail. Any thoughts? Have you tried: Edit | Preferences | Appearance | Content | resize large images to fit in the browser window It might work (I haven't tried it) but why /should/ a preference that refers explicitly to the browser window affect the appearance of images appearing in the e-mail window ? Because the browser engine is used to display HTML in the mail preview pane. -- War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. -- Paul B. Gallagher ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Image sizing in Mail/News
Paul B. Gallagher pounded out : BIll Spikowski wrote: Ed Mullen wrote: Someone mentioned in the Thunderbird group that TB fits large images to the viewport in an email like SeaMonkey's browser does. Doesn't seem to work for emails in SM. I used about:config in both SM and TB to check for zoom and the settings are almost identical. But no image-fitting in SM mail. Any thoughts? Have you tried: Edit | Preferences | Appearance | Content | resize large images to fit in the browser window You can also click an oversize image once to fit it to the window, just as you can in the browser. You can set a global policy as BIll suggests, or just do it once in a while on the fly. Up to you. 1. Yes, my prefs are set to resize in the browser pref 2. No, it has no effect in mail/news Have you tested it? I have. It has no effect in Mail/News. That's why I asked the question in the first place. -- Ed Mullen http://edmullen.net/ Going to church doesn't make you a Christian any more than standing in a garage makes you a car. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Image sizing in Mail/News
On 8/26/14 10:47 AM, Ed Mullen wrote: Paul B. Gallagher pounded out : BIll Spikowski wrote: Ed Mullen wrote: Someone mentioned in the Thunderbird group that TB fits large images to the viewport in an email like SeaMonkey's browser does. Doesn't seem to work for emails in SM. I used about:config in both SM and TB to check for zoom and the settings are almost identical. But no image-fitting in SM mail. Any thoughts? Have you tried: Edit | Preferences | Appearance | Content | resize large images to fit in the browser window You can also click an oversize image once to fit it to the window, just as you can in the browser. You can set a global policy as BIll suggests, or just do it once in a while on the fly. Up to you. 1. Yes, my prefs are set to resize in the browser pref 2. No, it has no effect in mail/news Have you tested it? I have. It has no effect in Mail/News. That's why I asked the question in the first place. Easy: View | Display Attachments Inline -- / // Trane Francks tr...@tranefrancks.com Tokyo, Japan // Practice random kindness and senseless acts of beauty. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Image sizing in Mail/News
Trane Francks pounded out : On 8/26/14 10:47 AM, Ed Mullen wrote: Paul B. Gallagher pounded out : BIll Spikowski wrote: Ed Mullen wrote: Someone mentioned in the Thunderbird group that TB fits large images to the viewport in an email like SeaMonkey's browser does. Doesn't seem to work for emails in SM. I used about:config in both SM and TB to check for zoom and the settings are almost identical. But no image-fitting in SM mail. Any thoughts? Have you tried: Edit | Preferences | Appearance | Content | resize large images to fit in the browser window You can also click an oversize image once to fit it to the window, just as you can in the browser. You can set a global policy as BIll suggests, or just do it once in a while on the fly. Up to you. 1. Yes, my prefs are set to resize in the browser pref 2. No, it has no effect in mail/news Have you tested it? I have. It has no effect in Mail/News. That's why I asked the question in the first place. Easy: View | Display Attachments Inline I have that set. That is not the question. The question is: Thunderbird resizes large images in emails to fit the viewport. SeaMonkey does not. Why? And is there some setting I can change in SM to make it work like TB? I sent myself an email with a very large image: 3264x2448 The email view presented with both vertical and horizontal scroll bars. Thunderbird simply resized the image to fit the viewport, no scroll bars needed, it simply resized the imaage to fit the viewport. Does that clarify the difference adequately? -- Ed Mullen http://edmullen.net/ Why do we drive on parkways and park on driveways? ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Image sizing in Mail/News
On 8/26/14 11:16 AM, Ed Mullen wrote: Trane Francks pounded out : On 8/26/14 10:47 AM, Ed Mullen wrote: Paul B. Gallagher pounded out : BIll Spikowski wrote: Ed Mullen wrote: Someone mentioned in the Thunderbird group that TB fits large images to the viewport in an email like SeaMonkey's browser does. Doesn't seem to work for emails in SM. I used about:config in both SM and TB to check for zoom and the settings are almost identical. But no image-fitting in SM mail. Any thoughts? Have you tried: Edit | Preferences | Appearance | Content | resize large images to fit in the browser window You can also click an oversize image once to fit it to the window, just as you can in the browser. You can set a global policy as BIll suggests, or just do it once in a while on the fly. Up to you. 1. Yes, my prefs are set to resize in the browser pref 2. No, it has no effect in mail/news Have you tested it? I have. It has no effect in Mail/News. That's why I asked the question in the first place. Easy: View | Display Attachments Inline I have that set. That is not the question. The question is: Thunderbird resizes large images in emails to fit the viewport. SeaMonkey does not. Why? And is there some setting I can change in SM to make it work like TB? I sent myself an email with a very large image: 3264x2448 The email view presented with both vertical and horizontal scroll bars. Thunderbird simply resized the image to fit the viewport, no scroll bars needed, it simply resized the imaage to fit the viewport. Does that clarify the difference adequately? Nothing needed clarification. SeaMonkey fits images to the viewport on my installation and has for as long as I can remember. This is a classic case of WFM. -- / // Trane Francks tr...@tranefrancks.com Tokyo, Japan // Practice random kindness and senseless acts of beauty. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Image sizing in Mail/News
Ed Mullen wrote: Paul B. Gallagher pounded out : You can also click an oversize image once to fit it to the window, just as you can in the browser. You can set a global policy as BIll suggests, or just do it once in a while on the fly. Up to you. 1. Yes, my prefs are set to resize in the browser pref 2. No, it has no effect in mail/news Have you tested it? I have. It has no effect in Mail/News. That's why I asked the question in the first place. Huh. Used to work. Sorry 'bout that. -- War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. -- Paul B. Gallagher ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Image sizing in Mail/News
On 8/26/14 11:46 AM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote: Ed Mullen wrote: Paul B. Gallagher pounded out : You can also click an oversize image once to fit it to the window, just as you can in the browser. You can set a global policy as BIll suggests, or just do it once in a while on the fly. Up to you. 1. Yes, my prefs are set to resize in the browser pref 2. No, it has no effect in mail/news Have you tested it? I have. It has no effect in Mail/News. That's why I asked the question in the first place. Huh. Used to work. Sorry 'bout that. WFM with View | Display Attachments Inline enabled. I cannot remember a time when SeaMonkey did not do this. -- / // Trane Francks tr...@tranefrancks.com Tokyo, Japan // Practice random kindness and senseless acts of beauty. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Image sizing in Mail/News
On 8/26/14 10:47 AM, Ed Mullen wrote: Paul B. Gallagher pounded out : BIll Spikowski wrote: Ed Mullen wrote: Someone mentioned in the Thunderbird group that TB fits large images to the viewport in an email like SeaMonkey's browser does. Doesn't seem to work for emails in SM. I used about:config in both SM and TB to check for zoom and the settings are almost identical. But no image-fitting in SM mail. Any thoughts? Have you tried: Edit | Preferences | Appearance | Content | resize large images to fit in the browser window You can also click an oversize image once to fit it to the window, just as you can in the browser. You can set a global policy as BIll suggests, or just do it once in a while on the fly. Up to you. 1. Yes, my prefs are set to resize in the browser pref 2. No, it has no effect in mail/news Have you tested it? I have. It has no effect in Mail/News. That's why I asked the question in the first place. It definitely works for me. I just tested with 2.26.1 with View | Display Attachments Inline enabled. They resize to the view port by default. If I click on the image, it is then displayed in original size. Works a charm here. -- / // Trane Francks tr...@tranefrancks.com Tokyo, Japan // Practice random kindness and senseless acts of beauty. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
