Re: Updating SM To Older Version

2014-12-25 Thread Ant 

On 12/25/2014 9:10 PM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote:
...

And, to make sure that SM doesn't keep trying to update you to the
latest version, go to Edit->Preferences->Advanced->Software Installation
and, under the SeaMonkey headers, de-select the "Automatically download
and install updates".


Good idea and call. I always disable this feature. Now, if I could
disable the darn reminder!


It's right there in the same panel:
"Automatically check for updates"

If it doesn't check, it won't nag.


Hmm, they're unchecked. I just noticed this only happesn on my office's 
64-bit W7 EE SP1 machine though. Not on my XP Pro SP3 machine. Hmm!

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Re: Updating SM To Older Version

2014-12-25 Thread Paul B. Gallagher 

Ant wrote:

Is there someway to update an existing and older version of SM to a
newer version other than the latest version?

I want to go from v.2.24 to v.2.30 without changing anything else.  The
update screen appears to only allow going to the latest version,
v.2.31,
something I don't want to do at this time.

Thanks, in advance, for any and all advice and assistance.


ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/seamonkey/releases/ ... Avoid bs for betas. If
you want v2.26.1, then use
ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/seamonkey/releases/2.26.1/ ...


And, to make sure that SM doesn't keep trying to update you to the
latest version, go to Edit->Preferences->Advanced->Software Installation
and, under the SeaMonkey headers, de-select the "Automatically download
and install updates".


Good idea and call. I always disable this feature. Now, if I could
disable the darn reminder!


It's right there in the same panel:
"Automatically check for updates"

If it doesn't check, it won't nag.

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Re: Updating SM To Older Version

2014-12-25 Thread Geoff Welsh 

Ant wrote:

Is there someway to update an existing and older version of SM to a
newer version other than the latest version?

I want to go from v.2.24 to v.2.30 without changing anything else.  The
update screen appears to only allow going to the latest version,
v.2.31,
something I don't want to do at this time.

Thanks, in advance, for any and all advice and assistance.


ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/seamonkey/releases/ ... Avoid bs for betas. If
you want v2.26.1, then use
ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/seamonkey/releases/2.26.1/ ...


And, to make sure that SM doesn't keep trying to update you to the
latest version, go to Edit->Preferences->Advanced->Software Installation
and, under the SeaMonkey headers, de-select the "Automatically download
and install updates".


Good idea and call. I always disable this feature. Now, if I could
disable the darn reminder!


mine never reminds me.

I'm pretty sure one of the "app.update.xyz" preferences in about:config 
is why, but IDR/IDK which one it isthere's like 30 of them


GW
(on a OSX v10.6 Mac with SM2.23 right now)
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Re: Updating SM To Older Version

2014-12-25 Thread Ant 

Is there someway to update an existing and older version of SM to a
newer version other than the latest version?

I want to go from v.2.24 to v.2.30 without changing anything else.  The
update screen appears to only allow going to the latest version, v.2.31,
something I don't want to do at this time.

Thanks, in advance, for any and all advice and assistance.


ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/seamonkey/releases/ ... Avoid bs for betas. If
you want v2.26.1, then use
ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/seamonkey/releases/2.26.1/ ...


And, to make sure that SM doesn't keep trying to update you to the
latest version, go to Edit->Preferences->Advanced->Software Installation
and, under the SeaMonkey headers, de-select the "Automatically download
and install updates".


Good idea and call. I always disable this feature. Now, if I could 
disable the darn reminder!

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Re: Update to SeaMonkey 2.31 caused a "crash"

2014-12-25 Thread W3BNR 
On 12/25/2014 4:51 PM, Ant wrote:
> FYI. This happened in my very old, updated Windows XP Pro SP3 and Debian 
> stable
> boxes too from v2.26.1 to v2.31. :/
> 
> 
> On 12/21/2014 11:26 AM, Ant wrote:
>> I ran into this problem yesterday morning in Mac OS X 10.8.5. I told it
>> to send its bug report. It was a fairly clean SM too since I rarely used
>> it. SM is sure having lots of bugs! :(
>>
>>
>> On 12/15/2014 10:17 AM PT, Gerry Hickman typed:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> When there's a browser update, and you restart SM, it will run the
>>> updater and then start the browser with a redirect to the release notes.
>>> This has always worked.
>>>
>>> Today, I restarted SM, it ran the updater, but then a SM related dialog
>>> (which I've never seen) appeared saying there had been a "crash" and did
>>> I want to report it. I chose "Quit SeaMonkey", and now it seems to work
>>> normally and reports the version as 2.31...

Updated on my laptop - Linux Mint 16 Petra 32bit - it crashed and crashed no
matter if I chose "Quit SeaMonkey" or "Restart SeaMonkey".  Will have to reload
2.30 or use TB and FF.

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Re: Updating SM To Older Version

2014-12-25 Thread Daniel 

On 26/12/14 06:33, Ant wrote:

On 12/25/2014 11:04 AM PT, HenriK typed:


Is there someway to update an existing and older version of SM to a
newer version other than the latest version?

I want to go from v.2.24 to v.2.30 without changing anything else.  The
update screen appears to only allow going to the latest version, v.2.31,
something I don't want to do at this time.

Thanks, in advance, for any and all advice and assistance.


ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/seamonkey/releases/ ... Avoid bs for betas. If
you want v2.26.1, then use
ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/seamonkey/releases/2.26.1/ ...


And, to make sure that SM doesn't keep trying to update you to the 
latest version, go to Edit->Preferences->Advanced->Software Installation 
and, under the SeaMonkey headers, de-select the "Automatically download 
and install updates".


HTH

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User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:32.0) Gecko/20100101 
SeaMonkey/2.29 Build identifier: 20140829003846

or
User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:34.0) Gecko/20100101 
SeaMonkey/2.31 Build identifier: 20141020202138

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Re: places.sqlite

2014-12-25 Thread Ant 

You should file a bug report; the temp files places.sqlite.shm and
places.sqlite.wal should be closed and removed when SeaMonkey shuts
down. So you've most likely found a bug. See:



2.2 Write-Ahead Log (WAL) Files
...
"The WAL file is created when the first connection to the database is
opened and is normally removed when the last connection to the database
closes. However, if the last connection does not shutdown cleanly, the
WAL file will remain in the filesystem and will be automatically cleaned
up the next time the database is opened."

2.3 Shared-Memory Files
...
" The shared-memory file has the same lifetime as its associated WAL
file. The shared-memory file is created when the WAL file is created and
is deleted when the WAL file is deleted. During WAL file recovery, the
shared memory file is recreated from scratch based on the contents of
the WAL file being recovered. "



Follow-up: looks like someone already opened a bug report & it got the
wishy-washy "RESOLVED WORKSFORME" (aka 'Don't Know, Don't Care) treatment:


(places.sqlite-wal and places.sqlite-shm not removed on exit)

I reckon it's worth reopening (notice comment #2)...


I added my comments to 
http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=686237 and referred this 
newsgroup thread. Maybe we need to make a new bug report instead since I 
could reproduce this left over temp files in Firefox v34 and SeaMonkey 
v2.31 in both Mac OS X 10.8.5 and Debian (stable)/Linux? Windows XP Pro 
SP3 didn't show these left overs in SM. I didn't try Firefox in Windows 
since I don't use it.


Also, I did not see any stuck SM and Firefox processes when I saw these 
left over files.

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Re: places.sqlite and its left over files...

2014-12-25 Thread Ant 
OK, I reproduce those left over files every time I exit SM v2.31 AND 
Firefox v34 in my Debian stable (Iceweasel though) and a borrowed MBP's 
Mac OS X 10.8.5. For an example from my Debian stable machine:

$ ls places* -all
-rwx-- 1 ant ant 20971520 Dec 25 13:59 places.sqlite
-rwx-- 1 ant ant32768 Dec 25 14:02 places.sqlite-shm
-rwx-- 1 ant ant32824 Dec 25 14:02 places.sqlite-wal

Windows XP Pro SP3 didn't show this problem though!
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Re: Really disappointed so far in SeaMonkey

2014-12-25 Thread Ant 

On 12/25/2014 12:14 PM, Byron Smith wrote:

On 12/25/2014 01:35 PM, EE wrote:

SeaMonkey currently does not restore .json bookmarks, but it does import
.html bookmarks correctly - at least for me, anyway.


SeaMonkey is an amazing product. I don't want to just gripe about it.
But the only use I have for it now is as a browser, and frankly I prefer
Firefox now over it. The developers have done really good jobs in the
past, and I hope the project continues on. I just mainly wanted to vent.


Yeah, it can be frustrating but I like SM over the other web browsers. :/
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Re: Update to SeaMonkey 2.31 caused a "crash"

2014-12-25 Thread Ant 
FYI. This happened in my very old, updated Windows XP Pro SP3 and Debian 
stable boxes too from v2.26.1 to v2.31. :/



On 12/21/2014 11:26 AM, Ant wrote:

I ran into this problem yesterday morning in Mac OS X 10.8.5. I told it
to send its bug report. It was a fairly clean SM too since I rarely used
it. SM is sure having lots of bugs! :(


On 12/15/2014 10:17 AM PT, Gerry Hickman typed:


Hi,

When there's a browser update, and you restart SM, it will run the
updater and then start the browser with a redirect to the release notes.
This has always worked.

Today, I restarted SM, it ran the updater, but then a SM related dialog
(which I've never seen) appeared saying there had been a "crash" and did
I want to report it. I chose "Quit SeaMonkey", and now it seems to work
normally and reports the version as 2.31...

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Re: places.sqlite

2014-12-25 Thread Ant 
I just upgraded my v2.26.1 installations to v2.31 in Windows XP Pro SP3 
and Debian stable after making backups. Obviously, the newer SM web 
browsers crashed after the upgrade which everyone already reported. Heh. 
We'll see how this goes!

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Re: places.sqlite

2014-12-25 Thread NoOp 
On 12/25/2014 11:03 AM, Ant wrote:
> On 12/25/2014 10:06 AM PT, NoOp typed:
> 
>> Eureka!  I found it!  There were FOUR files all prefixed by
>> "places.sqlite" including the original file.  If I delete all four and
>> copy in the "places.sqlite" from my Windows system to my Linux system,
>> it works!  I only have to copy that one file.
>>
>> Again, this wasn't necessary until 2.29 came along, so I wonder what
>> changed??
>
> Do not understand.  I don't care how many files contain places.sqlite in
> their filenames, copying the specific fiel "places.sqlite" should do the
> trick.

 Just to make things clear, I ALWAYS shut down Seamonkey BEFORE I copy
 places.sqlite from the source system, and I ALWAYS shut down Seamonkey
 on the target system BEFORE I move over the copy.  It didn't matter.  I
 think the "SHM" and "WAL" files had to be in sync with the base file, or
 it ended up creating a "CORRUPTED" file and I had no bookmarks at all.

 Deleting ALL of the places.sqlite* files from the target directory
 before copying in the new places.sqlite does the trick.  When I restart
 Seamonkey it has all of the bookmarks and history, and it recreates the
 SHM and WAL files.

 This was true for my copy of Firefox running under VirtualBox on my
 machine as well.  Had to do the same there, too.  Never had to do this
 before Seamonkey 2.29 so SOMETHING changed.


>>>
>>> You should file a bug report; the temp files places.sqlite.shm and
>>> places.sqlite.wal should be closed and removed when SeaMonkey shuts
>>> down. So you've most likely found a bug. See:
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> 2.2 Write-Ahead Log (WAL) Files
>>> ...
>>> "The WAL file is created when the first connection to the database is
>>> opened and is normally removed when the last connection to the database
>>> closes. However, if the last connection does not shutdown cleanly, the
>>> WAL file will remain in the filesystem and will be automatically cleaned
>>> up the next time the database is opened."
>>>
>>> 2.3 Shared-Memory Files
>>> ...
>>> " The shared-memory file has the same lifetime as its associated WAL
>>> file. The shared-memory file is created when the WAL file is created and
>>> is deleted when the WAL file is deleted. During WAL file recovery, the
>>> shared memory file is recreated from scratch based on the contents of
>>> the WAL file being recovered. "
>>>
>>
>> Follow-up: looks like someone already opened a bug report & it got the
>> wishy-washy "RESOLVED WORKSFORME" (aka 'Don't Know, Don't Care) treatment:
>>
>> 
>> (places.sqlite-wal and places.sqlite-shm not removed on exit)
>>
>> I reckon it's worth reopening (notice comment #2)...
> 
> Can we easily reproduce this though? I only see these files if my web 
> browsers are still opened. I'll need to see if my process is stuck after 
> exiting.
> 

From: Ant 
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:29.0) Gecko/20100101
Firefox/29.0 SeaMonkey/2.26.1

Yes it is reproducible... read everything above this line.


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Re: Really disappointed so far in SeaMonkey

2014-12-25 Thread Byron Smith 

On 12/25/2014 01:35 PM, EE wrote:

SeaMonkey currently does not restore .json bookmarks, but it does import
.html bookmarks correctly - at least for me, anyway.


SeaMonkey is an amazing product. I don't want to just gripe about it.
But the only use I have for it now is as a browser, and frankly I prefer 
Firefox now over it. The developers have done really good jobs in the 
past, and I hope the project continues on. I just mainly wanted to vent.


Byron (aka Curt) Smith
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Re: Really disappointed so far in SeaMonkey

2014-12-25 Thread EE 

Byron Smith wrote:

I've been a long time SeaMonkey fan. But it seems like every release I
try to use has more and more problems. The latest release 2.32b2, will
not load a single RSS feed, even after creating a brand new profile in
my Application Data folders (deleting the one in the local and roaming
folders and creating from scratch). It will not import JSON or HTML
bookmarks, or import OPML feeds. I'm sorry if this is covered elsewhere,
but I suppose I'll be using Firefox and Thunderbird more, and SeaMonkey
less, unless the functionality improves.

Curt Smith


SeaMonkey currently does not restore .json bookmarks, but it does import 
.html bookmarks correctly - at least for me, anyway.


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Re: Updating SM To Older Version

2014-12-25 Thread Ant 

On 12/25/2014 11:04 AM PT, HenriK typed:


Is there someway to update an existing and older version of SM to a
newer version other than the latest version?

I want to go from v.2.24 to v.2.30 without changing anything else.  The
update screen appears to only allow going to the latest version, v.2.31,
something I don't want to do at this time.

Thanks, in advance, for any and all advice and assistance.


ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/seamonkey/releases/ ... Avoid bs for betas. If 
you want v2.26.1, then use 
ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/seamonkey/releases/2.26.1/ ...

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Really disappointed so far in SeaMonkey

2014-12-25 Thread Byron Smith 
I've been a long time SeaMonkey fan. But it seems like every release I 
try to use has more and more problems. The latest release 2.32b2, will 
not load a single RSS feed, even after creating a brand new profile in 
my Application Data folders (deleting the one in the local and roaming 
folders and creating from scratch). It will not import JSON or HTML 
bookmarks, or import OPML feeds. I'm sorry if this is covered elsewhere, 
but I suppose I'll be using Firefox and Thunderbird more, and SeaMonkey 
less, unless the functionality improves.


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Updating SM To Older Version

2014-12-25 Thread HenriK 
Is there someway to update an existing and older version of SM to a newer 
version other than the latest version?


I want to go from v.2.24 to v.2.30 without changing anything else.  The update 
screen appears to only allow going to the latest version, v.2.31, something I 
don't want to do at this time.


Thanks, in advance, for any and all advice and assistance.
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Re: places.sqlite (v2.26.1 & v2.30 & cross platforms)

2014-12-25 Thread Ant 

On 12/21/2014 7:23 PM PT, Cruz, Jaime typed:


I briefly checked a MacBook Pro's Mac OS X 10.8.5's SeaMonkey v2.31 and
Firefox v34 web browser installations with my Windows XP Pro SP3's and
Linux/Debian's SeaMonkey v2.26.1's places.sqlite earlier today. Newer
browsers did not show my copied updated places.sqlite stuff. It looks
like the newer web browsers also detected corruptions from these old
versions' places.sqlite files like my Debian stable's Firefox (deb
http://mozilla.debian.net/ wheezy-backports iceweasel-release):

-rw-r--r--  1 ant ant 10485760 Dec 21 09:22 places.sqlite
-rwx--  1 ant ant 20971520 Oct 14 08:28 places.sqlite.corrupt
-rw-r--r--  1 ant ant32768 Dec 21 09:22 places.sqlite-shm
-rw-r--r--  1 ant ant   590288 Dec 21 09:22 places.sqlite-wal

So, something did change but what? I CCed mozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey to
see if any developers can help us too. :(


There ya go!  If you delete places.sqlite* before copying in your new
version of places.sqlite, it works.  Fire up Seamonkey (or Firefox) and
not only will you have all of your copied bookmarks, but it also
recreates the -shm and -wal files.

If you don't remove those files first and just overlay places.sqlite,
then it'll create the places.sqlite.corrupt file when you start
Seamonkey (or Firefox) and you won't have ANY bookmarks.

So for now anyway, the solution is to delete (or "rm") places.sqlite* in
the target directory before copying in your fresh copy of places.sqlite.


Interesting. It seems to work so far in Mac OS X 10.8.5's newer web 
browser versions after copying my older versions. I'll probably upgrade 
my older web browsers soon after I am done with Christmas stuff. :)

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Re: places.sqlite

2014-12-25 Thread Ant 

On 12/25/2014 10:06 AM PT, NoOp typed:


Eureka!  I found it!  There were FOUR files all prefixed by
"places.sqlite" including the original file.  If I delete all four and
copy in the "places.sqlite" from my Windows system to my Linux system,
it works!  I only have to copy that one file.

Again, this wasn't necessary until 2.29 came along, so I wonder what
changed??


Do not understand.  I don't care how many files contain places.sqlite in
their filenames, copying the specific fiel "places.sqlite" should do the
trick.


Just to make things clear, I ALWAYS shut down Seamonkey BEFORE I copy
places.sqlite from the source system, and I ALWAYS shut down Seamonkey
on the target system BEFORE I move over the copy.  It didn't matter.  I
think the "SHM" and "WAL" files had to be in sync with the base file, or
it ended up creating a "CORRUPTED" file and I had no bookmarks at all.

Deleting ALL of the places.sqlite* files from the target directory
before copying in the new places.sqlite does the trick.  When I restart
Seamonkey it has all of the bookmarks and history, and it recreates the
SHM and WAL files.

This was true for my copy of Firefox running under VirtualBox on my
machine as well.  Had to do the same there, too.  Never had to do this
before Seamonkey 2.29 so SOMETHING changed.




You should file a bug report; the temp files places.sqlite.shm and
places.sqlite.wal should be closed and removed when SeaMonkey shuts
down. So you've most likely found a bug. See:



2.2 Write-Ahead Log (WAL) Files
...
"The WAL file is created when the first connection to the database is
opened and is normally removed when the last connection to the database
closes. However, if the last connection does not shutdown cleanly, the
WAL file will remain in the filesystem and will be automatically cleaned
up the next time the database is opened."

2.3 Shared-Memory Files
...
" The shared-memory file has the same lifetime as its associated WAL
file. The shared-memory file is created when the WAL file is created and
is deleted when the WAL file is deleted. During WAL file recovery, the
shared memory file is recreated from scratch based on the contents of
the WAL file being recovered. "



Follow-up: looks like someone already opened a bug report & it got the
wishy-washy "RESOLVED WORKSFORME" (aka 'Don't Know, Don't Care) treatment:


(places.sqlite-wal and places.sqlite-shm not removed on exit)

I reckon it's worth reopening (notice comment #2)...


Can we easily reproduce this though? I only see these files if my web 
browsers are still opened. I'll need to see if my process is stuck after 
exiting.

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Re: places.sqlite

2014-12-25 Thread NoOp 
On 12/23/2014 10:37 AM, NoOp wrote:
> On 12/21/2014 09:32 AM, Cruz, Jaime wrote:
>> Ed Mullen wrote:
>>> Cruz, Jaime wrote on 12/19/2014 8:11 PM:

 Eureka!  I found it!  There were FOUR files all prefixed by
 "places.sqlite" including the original file.  If I delete all four and
 copy in the "places.sqlite" from my Windows system to my Linux system,
 it works!  I only have to copy that one file.

 Again, this wasn't necessary until 2.29 came along, so I wonder what
 changed??

>>>
>>> Do not understand.  I don't care how many files contain places.sqlite in
>>> their filenames, copying the specific fiel "places.sqlite" should do the
>>> trick.
>>>
>> 
>> Just to make things clear, I ALWAYS shut down Seamonkey BEFORE I copy 
>> places.sqlite from the source system, and I ALWAYS shut down Seamonkey 
>> on the target system BEFORE I move over the copy.  It didn't matter.  I 
>> think the "SHM" and "WAL" files had to be in sync with the base file, or 
>> it ended up creating a "CORRUPTED" file and I had no bookmarks at all.
>> 
>> Deleting ALL of the places.sqlite* files from the target directory 
>> before copying in the new places.sqlite does the trick.  When I restart 
>> Seamonkey it has all of the bookmarks and history, and it recreates the 
>> SHM and WAL files.
>> 
>> This was true for my copy of Firefox running under VirtualBox on my 
>> machine as well.  Had to do the same there, too.  Never had to do this 
>> before Seamonkey 2.29 so SOMETHING changed.
>> 
>> 
> 
> You should file a bug report; the temp files places.sqlite.shm and
> places.sqlite.wal should be closed and removed when SeaMonkey shuts
> down. So you've most likely found a bug. See:
> 
> 
> 
> 2.2 Write-Ahead Log (WAL) Files
> ...
> "The WAL file is created when the first connection to the database is
> opened and is normally removed when the last connection to the database
> closes. However, if the last connection does not shutdown cleanly, the
> WAL file will remain in the filesystem and will be automatically cleaned
> up the next time the database is opened."
> 
> 2.3 Shared-Memory Files
> ...
> " The shared-memory file has the same lifetime as its associated WAL
> file. The shared-memory file is created when the WAL file is created and
> is deleted when the WAL file is deleted. During WAL file recovery, the
> shared memory file is recreated from scratch based on the contents of
> the WAL file being recovered. "
> 

Follow-up: looks like someone already opened a bug report & it got the
wishy-washy "RESOLVED WORKSFORME" (aka 'Don't Know, Don't Care) treatment:


(places.sqlite-wal and places.sqlite-shm not removed on exit)

I reckon it's worth reopening (notice comment #2)...

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