Re: Delayed Initialization?

2016-08-09 Thread Paul B. Gallagher 

David E. Ross wrote:


However, what I see is that the same Web page -- my own on a Web
server -- loads much slower if it is the first Web page I request
right after launching SeaMonkey.  If I clear my cache and then
request it again, it load very quickly.


That would make sense if SeaMonkey's routine that checks the cache 
before retrieving a remote copy is inefficient. Then the fuller the 
cache, the more hunting it has to do before giving up, whereas it can 
quickly evaluate an empty cache as lacking the desired content.


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Re: Delayed Initialization?

2016-08-09 Thread David E. Ross 
On 8/9/2016 10:00 PM, Paul Bergsagel wrote:
> Ed Mullen wrote:
>> On 8/9/2016 at 4:05 PM, Gerry Hickman's prodigious digits fired off:
>>> David E. Ross wrote:
 It seems that when I launch SeaMonkey, there is always a delay in
 visiting the first Web page I select.  If I clear that site's cookies
 and delete my cache, revisiting that page is much quicker.
>>>
>>> My experience on Windows, is that it's changed over time. At one stage
>>> there was a "preload" of DLLs that were supposed to load once, then sit
>>> on the task bar to make the browser load more quickly (I didn't like
>>> this), but anyway, a few builds later (around year 2004) launching the
>>> SM browser was really quick and I forgot about it.
>>>
>>> To test SM load time, I usually set the home page to a local HTML file,
>>> so it doesn't need internet access to launch, thereby cutting out any
>>> home page related network issues.
>>>
>>> Now in 2016, I get "slow" load time of around four seconds, but I think
>>> it's related to something in the network stack (e.g. winsock) where it's
>>> much more bloated that it used to be, and in my case there's a VPN
>>> virtual adapter which seems to cause a delay.
>>>
>>> There's also the SM user profile and SM cache which can get quite big,
>>> so it's worth trying with a clean profile.
>>>
>>
>> I also have a local HTML file as my home page, and it loads instantly.
>> If I click an Internet link on that page it also loads nearly instantly.
>>
>> For instance, my own site  appears with no
>> perceptible/countable time lag.
>>
> My suspicion is that the more complex the page the longer this lag time 
> is. In my experience if a page does not have very complex html and few, 
> if any scripts, the page will load quickly.
> 

However, what I see is that the same Web page -- my own on a Web server
-- loads much slower if it is the first Web page I request right after
launching SeaMonkey.  If I clear my cache and then request it again, it
load very quickly.

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Re: Delayed Initialization?

2016-08-09 Thread Paul Bergsagel 

Ed Mullen wrote:

On 8/9/2016 at 4:05 PM, Gerry Hickman's prodigious digits fired off:

David E. Ross wrote:

It seems that when I launch SeaMonkey, there is always a delay in
visiting the first Web page I select.  If I clear that site's cookies
and delete my cache, revisiting that page is much quicker.


My experience on Windows, is that it's changed over time. At one stage
there was a "preload" of DLLs that were supposed to load once, then sit
on the task bar to make the browser load more quickly (I didn't like
this), but anyway, a few builds later (around year 2004) launching the
SM browser was really quick and I forgot about it.

To test SM load time, I usually set the home page to a local HTML file,
so it doesn't need internet access to launch, thereby cutting out any
home page related network issues.

Now in 2016, I get "slow" load time of around four seconds, but I think
it's related to something in the network stack (e.g. winsock) where it's
much more bloated that it used to be, and in my case there's a VPN
virtual adapter which seems to cause a delay.

There's also the SM user profile and SM cache which can get quite big,
so it's worth trying with a clean profile.



I also have a local HTML file as my home page, and it loads instantly.
If I click an Internet link on that page it also loads nearly instantly.

For instance, my own site  appears with no
perceptible/countable time lag.

My suspicion is that the more complex the page the longer this lag time 
is. In my experience if a page does not have very complex html and few, 
if any scripts, the page will load quickly.

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Re: Delayed Initialization?

2016-08-09 Thread Ed Mullen 

On 8/9/2016 at 4:05 PM, Gerry Hickman's prodigious digits fired off:

David E. Ross wrote:

It seems that when I launch SeaMonkey, there is always a delay in
visiting the first Web page I select.  If I clear that site's cookies
and delete my cache, revisiting that page is much quicker.


My experience on Windows, is that it's changed over time. At one stage
there was a "preload" of DLLs that were supposed to load once, then sit
on the task bar to make the browser load more quickly (I didn't like
this), but anyway, a few builds later (around year 2004) launching the
SM browser was really quick and I forgot about it.

To test SM load time, I usually set the home page to a local HTML file,
so it doesn't need internet access to launch, thereby cutting out any
home page related network issues.

Now in 2016, I get "slow" load time of around four seconds, but I think
it's related to something in the network stack (e.g. winsock) where it's
much more bloated that it used to be, and in my case there's a VPN
virtual adapter which seems to cause a delay.

There's also the SM user profile and SM cache which can get quite big,
so it's worth trying with a clean profile.



I also have a local HTML file as my home page, and it loads instantly. 
If I click an Internet link on that page it also loads nearly instantly.


For instance, my own site  appears with no 
perceptible/countable time lag.


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Re: Delayed Initialization?

2016-08-09 Thread Gerry Hickman 

David E. Ross wrote:

It seems that when I launch SeaMonkey, there is always a delay in
visiting the first Web page I select.  If I clear that site's cookies
and delete my cache, revisiting that page is much quicker.


My experience on Windows, is that it's changed over time. At one stage 
there was a "preload" of DLLs that were supposed to load once, then sit 
on the task bar to make the browser load more quickly (I didn't like 
this), but anyway, a few builds later (around year 2004) launching the 
SM browser was really quick and I forgot about it.


To test SM load time, I usually set the home page to a local HTML file, 
so it doesn't need internet access to launch, thereby cutting out any 
home page related network issues.


Now in 2016, I get "slow" load time of around four seconds, but I think 
it's related to something in the network stack (e.g. winsock) where it's 
much more bloated that it used to be, and in my case there's a VPN 
virtual adapter which seems to cause a delay.


There's also the SM user profile and SM cache which can get quite big, 
so it's worth trying with a clean profile.


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Re: SM Icon on alt-tab

2016-08-09 Thread Jonathan N. Little 

John E wrote:

Is there a version of 2.40 somewhere that does automatically upgrade?


When you install a PPA, when then upgrade the PPA repository then you 
should get the update when apt does an upgrade. IF you install a package 
manually from the tarball it will not. Since I installed with the 
Ubuntuzilla PPA it upgrades, but 2.40 is the latest version now.


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Re: SM Icon on alt-tab

2016-08-09 Thread John E 

On Mon, 8 Aug 2016 at 09:02:20 -0400, WaltS48 wrote:


On 08/08/2016 04:09 AM, John E wrote:

On Sun, 7 Aug 2016 at 14:09:01 -0400, Jonathan N. Little wrote:

WaltS48 wrote:

On 08/07/2016 12:36 PM, Jonathan N. Little wrote:

WaltS48 wrote:



The answer to that question may be
/var/lib/app-info/icons/ubuntu-xenial-main/64x64, but I got a lot of
hits when I opened File Manager and did a search for the term icons.

Now how would I copy my SeaMonkey icon to
/var/lib/app-info/icons/ubuntu-xenial-main/64x64? I'm going to
have to
refresh my sudo terminal foo. sudo cp blah, blah, > blah, blah, I
think.



Not where is it on my system. Just two locations, one under my profil

sudo find / -name seamonkey.png
find: ‘/run/user/1000/gvfs’: Permission denied
/home/jonathan/.local/share/icons/seamonkey.png
/opt/seamonkey/chrome/icons/default/seamonkey.png

and my launcher shortcut lists the icon simply:

grep -i icon
/home/jonathan/.local/share/applications/seamonkey.desktop
Icon=seamonkey.png

And I get the SeaMonkey icon in the ALT+TAB screen. Ubuntu 16.04.1 LTS




Did you install SeaMonkey from a repo, or like myself and John E (the
OP) from a Mozilla tarball?

I'm sure if John E added the Ubuntuzilla repo his problem would be
solved. I install the Nightly builds and as far I am concerned, don't
really care. Just trying to solve his problem.


I did install an earlier version of SM from an Ubuntuzilla repo a
couple of years ago, but deliberately avoided doing that on my upgrade
to SM2.40 this time because...

a) it was after that earlier Ubuntuzilla version that I first lost my
SM icon on alt-tab and started getting a "?" instead

and more importantly...

b)  That Ubuntuzilla version would not upgrade automatically, and when
I tried a manual upgrade I ran into the XPCOMGlue Load errors that we
discussed and fixed on a seperate thread here last month.



If you installed the Contributed build 64-bit version of SeaMonkey from
 it doesn't update
automatically either.

You will have to download the tarball and repeat the installation
process for each update.

As an experiment I installed the Ubuntuzilla repo and SeaMonkey 2.40.
When that version is open the SeaMonkey icon is in the launcher and
alt+tab. Still no icon for my Nightly version, but it's not needed here.



Appreciate the info about upgrading.  It's largely history now,  but the 
annoying problem I had after my Ubuntuzilla installation of v2.33  in 
June 2015 was that it would regularly give me an update failed notice:  See


http://img.webme.com/pic/z/zzjohn/SMupdate_fail.jpg

That led me to believe v2.33 was supposed to have an auto update 
facility,  but my use of the non-standard Ubutuzilla installation had 
somehow disabled it.


To avoid that problem in future, I thought I'd be better downloading the 
more official Linux GTK2, English v2.40 from 
http://www.seamonkey-project.org/


So was my thinking wrong?   Is there a version of 2.40 somewhere that 
does automatically upgrade?


   +  John



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