Re: Unable to print highlighted WEB PAGE parts in print preview?

2016-08-10 Thread Ant 

On 8/10/2016 7:24 PM, David E. Ross wrote:

On 8/10/2016 6:20 PM, Ant wrote:

On 8/10/2016 9:26 AM, Ant wrote:

Hello.

I recalled I could mouse highlight a part of the web page in SeaMonkey
v2.40's print preview to avoid printing everything. Is this broken in
v2.40?

Thank you in advance. :)


Addendum: Web site's web pages, not e-mails and newsgroup posts. :)



I use Print Preview to see how a Web page might look printed, to
determine how many hard-copy pages will be printed, and to see whether I
really need to print the last page.  I rarely use Print Preview to
actually print.

Under "Print range" on the Print popup dialogue, the radio button for
"Selection" does work.  Only the selected portion of the Web page is
printed.  However, this involves closing Print Preview and going
directly to the Print dialogue.

No, it does NOT work with Print Preview.  The entire Web page is
previewed with the selected portion no longer selected.  Thus, when
Print is selected on the Print Preview tool bar, nothing is selected for
selective printing.  This appears to be bug #140718 at
, reported 14 years
ago.


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Re: Unable to print highlighred parts in print preview?

2016-08-10 Thread Jonathan N. Little 

Ant wrote:

Hello.

I recalled I could mouse highlight a part of the web page in SeaMonkey
v2.40's print preview to avoid printing everything. Is this broken in
v2.40?

Thank you in advance. :)


Maybe it has a connection to the current bug that does not allow you to 
show source of a selection.


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Re: Unable to print highlighted WEB PAGE parts in print preview?

2016-08-10 Thread David E. Ross 
On 8/10/2016 6:20 PM, Ant wrote:
> On 8/10/2016 9:26 AM, Ant wrote:
>> Hello.
>>
>> I recalled I could mouse highlight a part of the web page in SeaMonkey
>> v2.40's print preview to avoid printing everything. Is this broken in
>> v2.40?
>>
>> Thank you in advance. :)
> 
> Addendum: Web site's web pages, not e-mails and newsgroup posts. :)
> 

I use Print Preview to see how a Web page might look printed, to
determine how many hard-copy pages will be printed, and to see whether I
really need to print the last page.  I rarely use Print Preview to
actually print.

Under "Print range" on the Print popup dialogue, the radio button for
"Selection" does work.  Only the selected portion of the Web page is
printed.  However, this involves closing Print Preview and going
directly to the Print dialogue.

No, it does NOT work with Print Preview.  The entire Web page is
previewed with the selected portion no longer selected.  Thus, when
Print is selected on the Print Preview tool bar, nothing is selected for
selective printing.  This appears to be bug #140718 at
, reported 14 years
ago.

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meantime, a claim by the Romanian hacker known as Guccifer
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Re: Unable to print highlighted WEB PAGE parts in print preview?

2016-08-10 Thread Ant 

On 8/10/2016 9:26 AM, Ant wrote:

Hello.

I recalled I could mouse highlight a part of the web page in SeaMonkey
v2.40's print preview to avoid printing everything. Is this broken in
v2.40?

Thank you in advance. :)


Addendum: Web site's web pages, not e-mails and newsgroup posts. :)
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Re: Unable to print highlighred parts in print preview?

2016-08-10 Thread Ant 

On 8/10/2016 9:53 AM, Ed Mullen wrote:

On 8/10/2016 at 12:51 PM, Ed Mullen's prodigious digits fired off:

On 8/10/2016 at 12:26 PM, Ant's prodigious digits fired off:

Hello.

I recalled I could mouse highlight a part of the web page in SeaMonkey
v2.40's print preview to avoid printing everything. Is this broken in
v2.40?

Thank you in advance. :)


Working here in 2.40.  Highlighted the first paragraph in your post,
clicked Print preview, printed fine from there.

However, I got a curious message box that popped up, went away on its
own, and actually became the "title" of the printed page:

"Unable to print highlighted parts in print preview?"



Duh!  Disregard ... it's obviously the subject of your post!  :-/


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Re: Unable to print highlighred parts in print preview?

2016-08-10 Thread Ant 

On 8/10/2016 9:51 AM, Ed Mullen wrote:

On 8/10/2016 at 12:26 PM, Ant's prodigious digits fired off:

Hello.

I recalled I could mouse highlight a part of the web page in SeaMonkey
v2.40's print preview to avoid printing everything. Is this broken in
v2.40?

Thank you in advance. :)


Working here in 2.40.  Highlighted the first paragraph in your post,
clicked Print preview, printed fine from there.

However, I got a curious message box that popped up, went away on its
own, and actually became the "title" of the printed page:

"Unable to print highlighted parts in print preview?"


I meant a web site's web page, not the e-mail and newsgroup posts. ;)
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Re: Delayed Initialization?

2016-08-10 Thread David E. Ross 
On 8/10/2016 1:36 PM, Gerry Hickman wrote:
> David E. Ross wrote:
>> However, what I see is that the same Web page -- my own on a Web server
>> -- loads much slower if it is the first Web page I request right after
>> launching SeaMonkey.  If I clear my cache and then request it again, it
>> load very quickly.
> 
> Try the same test, but with google as your home page. Do you still get 
> slow result for first page load? I've seen low traffic web servers take 
> a few seconds to "wake up".

I do not think that is the cause.  My home page is an HTML file on my
hard drive.  There is no server to wake up upon launching SeaMonkey.

That home page is the export of my bookmarks.  Any link I request from
it immediately after launching SeaMonkey shows the same delay.  I see
this delay with  on an
initial visit, but even after deleting my cache I do not see this delay
on a subsequent visit.


> Regarding the cache, try NOT clearing it when you exit SM. Do you still 
> see slow first page? It could be using a lot of resources trying to 
> re-create the cache every time it starts...

I cleared the checkbox for "Always clear my private when I close
SeaMonkey".  After clearing my cache to remove the Google site, I
visited a number of other Web sites to populated my cache.  I terminated
SeaMonkey, waited several seconds, and then relaunched SeaMonkey.  I
experienced the same delay when
 was the first link I
visited.

I get the same problem when the first visited link after launching is
.

I have reset the size of my cache to 0.  A prior reply in this thread --
about how high-speed broadband makes caching unnecessary -- reminded me
that caching is of little or no utility.  When they are requested, too
many Web pages are generated on the fly or decompressed.  Both of those
place new time-stamps on the delivered files, nullifying the use of
cached versions of Web pages with older time-stamps.

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Re: Delayed Initialization?

2016-08-10 Thread Gerry Hickman 

David E. Ross wrote:

However, what I see is that the same Web page -- my own on a Web server
-- loads much slower if it is the first Web page I request right after
launching SeaMonkey.  If I clear my cache and then request it again, it
load very quickly.


Try the same test, but with google as your home page. Do you still get 
slow result for first page load? I've seen low traffic web servers take 
a few seconds to "wake up".


Regarding the cache, try NOT clearing it when you exit SM. Do you still 
see slow first page? It could be using a lot of resources trying to 
re-create the cache every time it starts...


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Re: Unable to print highlighred parts in print preview?

2016-08-10 Thread Ed Mullen 

On 8/10/2016 at 12:51 PM, Ed Mullen's prodigious digits fired off:

On 8/10/2016 at 12:26 PM, Ant's prodigious digits fired off:

Hello.

I recalled I could mouse highlight a part of the web page in SeaMonkey
v2.40's print preview to avoid printing everything. Is this broken in
v2.40?

Thank you in advance. :)


Working here in 2.40.  Highlighted the first paragraph in your post,
clicked Print preview, printed fine from there.

However, I got a curious message box that popped up, went away on its
own, and actually became the "title" of the printed page:

"Unable to print highlighted parts in print preview?"



Duh!  Disregard ... it's obviously the subject of your post!  :-/

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Re: Unable to print highlighred parts in print preview?

2016-08-10 Thread Ed Mullen 

On 8/10/2016 at 12:26 PM, Ant's prodigious digits fired off:

Hello.

I recalled I could mouse highlight a part of the web page in SeaMonkey
v2.40's print preview to avoid printing everything. Is this broken in
v2.40?

Thank you in advance. :)


Working here in 2.40.  Highlighted the first paragraph in your post, 
clicked Print preview, printed fine from there.


However, I got a curious message box that popped up, went away on its 
own, and actually became the "title" of the printed page:


"Unable to print highlighted parts in print preview?"

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Re: Unable to print highlighred parts in print preview?

2016-08-10 Thread Gérard 

Ant wrote on 08/10/2016 06:26 PM:

Hello.

I recalled I could mouse highlight a part of the web page in SeaMonkey v2.40's
print preview to avoid printing everything. Is this broken in v2.40?

Thank you in advance. :)


Dear Ant,
I don't think it is broken in 2.40, it works for me in 2.48a1

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Unable to print highlighred parts in print preview?

2016-08-10 Thread Ant 

Hello.

I recalled I could mouse highlight a part of the web page in SeaMonkey 
v2.40's print preview to avoid printing everything. Is this broken in v2.40?


Thank you in advance. :)
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Re: Delayed Initialization?

2016-08-10 Thread Paul B. Gallagher 

Ed Mullen wrote:


I have the disk and memory caches turned off.  There's really no need
with a fast broadband connection.  And it used to drive me crazy
when writing Web pages when SM would display an edited page from
cache and I didn't see the changes I'd just saved.


Proper cache management shouldn't allow that.

Edit | Preferences | Advanced | Cache
Compare the page in the cache to the page on the network:
[Every time I view the page]

For example, if you set this pref to "Never," you'll get that result.

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Re: Delayed Initialization?

2016-08-10 Thread Paul B. Gallagher 

David E. Ross wrote:


On 8/9/2016 10:37 PM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

David E. Ross wrote:


However, what I see is that the same Web page -- my own on a Web
server -- loads much slower if it is the first Web page I request
right after launching SeaMonkey.  If I clear my cache and then
request it again, it load very quickly.


That would make sense if SeaMonkey's routine that checks the cache
before retrieving a remote copy is inefficient. Then the fuller the
cache, the more hunting it has to do before giving up, whereas it can
quickly evaluate an empty cache as lacking the desired content.


I always purge my cache on termination.  At [Edit > Preferences >
Privacy & Security > Private Data], I have checkmarks in the check boxes
for "Always clear my private data when I close SeaMonkey" and (under
"When I ask SeaMonkey to clear my private data, it should erase")
"Cache" and "Offline Website Data".  Thus, my cache should be empty on
launching SeaMonkey.


So do I, which makes your scenario peculiar.

If SM launches with an empty cache (assuming a normal shutdown of the 
previous session), how does clearing cache later create a different 
environment that allows the page to load quickly? How is an empty cache 
different from an empty cache? Or are you clearing something else that 
does make a difference? For example, I've sometimes noted differences in 
performance after I clear cookies.


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Re: Delayed Initialization?

2016-08-10 Thread Ed Mullen 

On 8/10/2016 at 11:06 AM, David E. Ross's prodigious digits fired off:

On 8/9/2016 10:37 PM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

David E. Ross wrote:


However, what I see is that the same Web page -- my own on a Web
server -- loads much slower if it is the first Web page I request
right after launching SeaMonkey.  If I clear my cache and then
request it again, it load very quickly.


That would make sense if SeaMonkey's routine that checks the cache
before retrieving a remote copy is inefficient. Then the fuller the
cache, the more hunting it has to do before giving up, whereas it can
quickly evaluate an empty cache as lacking the desired content.



I always purge my cache on termination.  At [Edit > Preferences >
Privacy & Security > Private Data], I have checkmarks in the check boxes
for "Always clear my private data when I close SeaMonkey" and (under
"When I ask SeaMonkey to clear my private data, it should erase")
"Cache" and "Offline Website Data".  Thus, my cache should be empty on
launching SeaMonkey.



I have the disk and memory caches turned off.  There's really no need 
with a fast broadband connection.  And it used to drive me crazy when 
writing Web pages when SM would display an edited page from cache and I 
didn't see the changes I'd just saved.


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Re: Delayed Initialization?

2016-08-10 Thread David E. Ross 
On 8/9/2016 10:37 PM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote:
> David E. Ross wrote:
> 
>> However, what I see is that the same Web page -- my own on a Web
>> server -- loads much slower if it is the first Web page I request
>> right after launching SeaMonkey.  If I clear my cache and then
>> request it again, it load very quickly.
> 
> That would make sense if SeaMonkey's routine that checks the cache 
> before retrieving a remote copy is inefficient. Then the fuller the 
> cache, the more hunting it has to do before giving up, whereas it can 
> quickly evaluate an empty cache as lacking the desired content.
> 

I always purge my cache on termination.  At [Edit > Preferences >
Privacy & Security > Private Data], I have checkmarks in the check boxes
for "Always clear my private data when I close SeaMonkey" and (under
"When I ask SeaMonkey to clear my private data, it should erase")
"Cache" and "Offline Website Data".  Thus, my cache should be empty on
launching SeaMonkey.

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current Secretary of State John Kerry, we know that the Russians
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