Re: Seamonkey 2.40 (latest stable) uses NSS 3.20.1 - possible security vulnerability

2016-10-19 Thread seemonkey 
On Tuesday, October 18, 2016 at 10:10:15 PM UTC+2, Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:
> I wouldn't start hacking together a version with different binaries. Might 
> work 
> might not. And this won't close any bugs in the base product which could be 
> exploited if you are so concerned about security.
> 
> Better check if the latest en-US candidate 2.46 test builds works for you or 
> use 
> Adrians latest 2.46 build. They are both build from the same sources and 
> updating 
> to the next official build whenever it arrives will be possible just by 
> downloading it. Adrians is gtk3 and the candidate gtk2 for Linux users. 
> Windows 
> VS2015 but Adrians should be a little faster because he used -O2 for 
> compiling.
> 
> If you use a hacked together build do not open bug reports against it.
> 
> There will be no 2.40.x builds. The next one will be 2.46 if the l10n build 
> bug 
> can be fixed in time.
> 
> FRG
> 
> On Sun, 16 Oct 2016 21:59:19 +0200, Ray_Net wrote:
> 
> >>Lee wrote on 16/10/2016 17:45:
> >>> On 10/16/16, Ray_Net  wrote:
>  seemonkey wrote on 13/10/2016 08:06:
> > There's at least one security vulnerability that is missing from this 
> > NSS
> > version: http://www.cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2016-1950
> >
> > There was a bugfix in NSS
> > https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1245528 to solve this issue
> > but unfortunately it seems that this bugfix is not in 3.20.x according 
> > to
> > the developer entries. I didn't check the code yet if the bugfix is 
> > really
> > missing!
> >
> > So my question is why seamonkey uses still this outdated NSS version? It
> > should use at least 3.21.1 (that is in latest firefox esr /45.4.0/ and
> > also in latest thunderbird /45.4.0/)
> >
> > As a workaround i can copy the nss libraries from firefox esr to 
> > seamonkey
> > until a security release of seamonkey let's say 2.40.1 arrives. I tried
> > this end i can start seamonkey with newer NSS library because they're
> > compatible.
>  "As a workaround i can copy the nss libraries from firefox esr to
>  seamonkey "
> 
>  Could you tell us what we need (in details) to do ?
>  I have Firefox 46.0.1 and SeaMonkey 2.40 on a windows pc.
> >>> Upgrade.
> >>>
> >>> The current version of Firefox is 49.0.1
> >>> about:support / Library Versions says the NSS* expected & in use version 
> >>> is 
> 3.25
> >>>
> >>> The 'current' version of SeaMonkey is 2.40 and is missing a lot of
> >>> security patches.  Upgrading requires that you download & install a
> >>> new version of SM instead of waiting for it to upgrade automatically.
> >>> **where** to download the new version from is a bit of a question tho
> >>> :(   I'm guessing the safest bet is
> >>> 
> https://l10n.mozilla-community.org/~akalla/unofficial/seamonkey/nightly/latest-com
> m-release-windows32/
> >>> if only because akalla had to pick _this_ particular build to make
> >>> available for downloading.  SeaMonkey 2.46 has the same 3.25
> >>> about:support / Library Versions for NSS* as FF.
> >>>
> >>> Regards,
> >>> Lee
> >>You don't understand.
> >>- I hate to install a not released SM.
> >>- I stay with FireFox 46.0.1 because I am able with it to do "View 
> >>Selection Source" using my version of Firefox, because my SM 2.40 cannot 
> >>do it.
> >>- He said " It should use at least 3.21.1 (that is in latest firefox esr 
> >>/45.4.0/" and because my version of Firefox is greater (46.0.1) I can 
> >>use nss from this version to put into SM because it should be > 3.21.1.
> >>So the question is still open:
> >>How, in details,  can I use the NSS of my FireFox 46.0.1 into my SM 2.40 ?
> 
> 
>  Regards
>  Frank-Rainer Grahl

But it would close the vulnerability in nss. If one would release a seamonkey 
let's say 2.40.1 only with the change of nss 3.21.1 the result would be the 
same as i described. I didn't mention any bug in the base product. The whole 
topic was started with nss and not bugs/sec vuln. in seamonkey.

So keeping SM 2.40 official release without replacing the nss is the worst one 
can do at the moment. If you trust an unofficial build (2.46) then install it. 
Or copy the dlls as i described.
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Re: My bank says my Firefox (actually SM) is not supported

2016-10-19 Thread David E. Ross 
On 10/19/2016 1:57 PM, Ed wrote:
> On 10/19/16 4:52 PM, Bill Spikowski wrote:
>> David E. Ross wrote:
>>> Note: The current PrefBar extension -- and all other current
>>> extensions -- will be broken when (if?) SeaMonkey updates to using
>>> Mozilla's proposed WebExtensions. 47a2
>>
>>
>> Oh no -- that can't be true -- can it?
>>
> Not broken on Windows 10 and SM 2.47a2  (32 bit) or SM  or 2.46  (64  bit).
> Using both with following extensions:
> 
> Extensions (enabled: 13)
> * Autofill Forms 1.0.3 (http://firefox.add0n.com/autofill-forms.html)
> * Display Mail User Agent 1.7.0 
> (http://www.juergen-ernst.de/addons/dispmua.html)
> * Emoji Menu [converted] 1.2 
> (https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/addon/emoji-menu/?src=api)
> * Enigmail 2.0a1pre (http://www.enigmail.net/)
> * FireFTP 2.0.28 (http://fireftp.net)
> * PDF Viewer 1.5.336
> * Password Exporter [converted] 1.3.1.1-signed 
> (http://passwordexporter.fligtar.com)
> * PrefBar 7.1.0 (http://prefbar.tuxfamily.org/)
> * Quote Colors 0.3 (http://quotecolors.mozdev.org/)
> * Reply to All as Cc 1.4 (http://www.clear-code.com/)
> * Saved Password Editor 2.10.1 
> (https://addons.mozilla.org/addon/saved-password-editor/)
> * SeaMonkey Debug and QA UI 1.0pre 
> (http://wiki.mozilla.org/SeaMonkey:Debug_And_QA_UI)
> * ShowIP 2.7.7.1-signed.1-signed (http://code.google.com/p/firefox-showip/)
> 
> --
> Ed
> 
> "Once during prohibition, I was forced to live on nothing
>  but food and water." -W.C. Fields (1880-1946)
> 

WebExtensions has not yet been implemented.  It is currently under
development with no scheduled version.  The bug is #1252272.  See
.

Also see "A few words about the future of PrefBar" under "What's New" at
 regarding Manuel Reimer's thoughts about
what will happen to PrefBar with the implementation of WebExtensions.
(Reimer is the developer of PrefBar.)

-- 
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Re: My bank says my Firefox (actually SM) is not supported

2016-10-19 Thread WaltS48 

On 10/19/2016 04:52 PM, Bill Spikowski wrote:

David E. Ross wrote:
Note: The current PrefBar extension -- and all other current 
extensions -- will be broken when (if?) SeaMonkey updates to using 
Mozilla's proposed WebExtensions.



Oh no -- that can't be true -- can it?



Only if you believe FUD.


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Re: My bank says my Firefox (actually SM) is not supported

2016-10-19 Thread Ed 

  
  
On 10/19/16 4:52 PM, Bill Spikowski
  wrote:


  
  David E. Ross wrote:
  
   Note: The current PrefBar extension -- and all
other current extensions -- will be broken when (if?) SeaMonkey
updates to using Mozilla's proposed WebExtensions. 47a2
  
  
  
  Oh no -- that can't be true -- can it?
  

Not broken on Windows 10 and SM 2.47a2 
  (32 bit) or SM  or 2.46  (64  bit).
  Using both with following extensions: 

Extensions (enabled: 13)
* Autofill Forms 1.0.3 (http://firefox.add0n.com/autofill-forms.html)
* Display Mail User Agent 1.7.0 (http://www.juergen-ernst.de/addons/dispmua.html)
* Emoji Menu [converted] 1.2 (https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/addon/emoji-menu/?src="">)
* Enigmail 2.0a1pre (http://www.enigmail.net/)
* FireFTP 2.0.28 (http://fireftp.net)
* PDF Viewer 1.5.336
* Password Exporter [converted] 1.3.1.1-signed (http://passwordexporter.fligtar.com)
* PrefBar 7.1.0 (http://prefbar.tuxfamily.org/)
* Quote Colors 0.3 (http://quotecolors.mozdev.org/)
* Reply to All as Cc 1.4 (http://www.clear-code.com/)
* Saved Password Editor 2.10.1 (https://addons.mozilla.org/addon/saved-password-editor/)
* SeaMonkey Debug and QA UI 1.0pre (http://wiki.mozilla.org/SeaMonkey:Debug_And_QA_UI)
* ShowIP 2.7.7.1-signed.1-signed (http://code.google.com/p/firefox-showip/)
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 but food and water." -W.C. Fields (1880-1946)


  


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Re: My bank says my Firefox (actually SM) is not supported

2016-10-19 Thread Bill Spikowski 

David E. Ross wrote:

Note: The current PrefBar extension -- and all other current extensions -- will 
be broken when (if?) SeaMonkey updates to using Mozilla's proposed 
WebExtensions.



Oh no -- that can't be true -- can it?

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Re: Is >2.40 for Linux available anywhere built with GTK2?

2016-10-19 Thread NoOp 
On 10/17/2016 11:19 AM, Felix Miata wrote:
> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1269274 creates the need.
> 

Felix, try:
http://l10n.mozilla-community.org/~akalla/unofficial/seamonkey/nightly/latest-comm-release-linux64/
Includes:
~/seamonkey/seamonkey/gtk2$ file libmozgtk.so
libmozgtk.so: ELF 64-bit LSB shared object, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV),
dynamically linked,
BuildID[sha1]=9981cc820e124289413f13b019d3342fb2211121, stripped
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Re: [Resolved] Re: 2.46 updates?

2016-10-19 Thread NoOp 
On 10/19/2016 01:22 AM, Daniel wrote:
> On 19/10/2016 1:00 AM, WaltS48 wrote:
>> On 10/18/2016 09:23 AM, Daniel wrote:
...

>>> I just went to my SM browser, clicked Help->Check for updates and was
>>> told there were no updates for my WIN7 WOW64 SM!!
>>
>> What version exactly? Where downloaded from?
>>
> Do as Paul suggests or, even easier, have a look at my Sig!! WOW64 SM
> 2.40 direct from the SeaMonkey Project web page.

 Then everything works for you as expected.

>>> But still not being offered any update!
>>>
>>
>> Because there isn't any.
>>
>> The others are using unofficial versions from Adrian or somewhere else.
>>
> Thanks for this, Walt. I had thought that might be the case ... but, 
> then, upthread, Adrian posted 
> 
> "Mozilla recently changed the parameters attached to the update-URL and 
> it looks like I've configured the update server incorrectly... I hope 
> I've fixed it now for the RELEASE branch."
> 
> So I was thinking it was a genuine release, finally!!
> 

Subject: 2.46 updates?

"I just received update notices for 2.46 (Windows and linux) on the
system that I have 2.46 running."

:-)


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Re: Seamonkey 2.40 and GMail

2016-10-19 Thread NFN Smith 

Ed Mullen wrote:

On 10/19/2016 at 12:05 PM, Cruz, Jaime's prodigious digits fired off:

sean.nat...@invalid.knights.nee wrote:


just a question, why bother "logging in" to their websites at all, when
Seamonkey will download via pop or imap?

i mean, i have 12 e'mail addresses all being downloaded via imap just so
i never have to spend time logging into webmail pages.


Because that's the only way to check the Spam folder.



Nope.  My IMAP accounts have the spam folder in SeaMonkey mail and
Thunderbird.  I check and if there is a message that isn't spam then I
do jump into the Webmail interface to mark it not spam.



For seeing the contents of a server spam folder, IMAP works fine. 
However, if the server uses user-tuneable spam filtering (such as 
SpamAssassin), you can only adjust the tuning by interacting through a 
web client.


In my limited experience with client-level spam filtering, both 
Seamonkey and Thunderbird can be tuned and be set to deposit likely spam 
into the server's spam folder, but that's post-delivery handling that's 
done through the client, and won't affect the server's filtering.


With POP, part of the definition is that the client sees *only* the 
server's inbox, and if there are server-based processes that direct 
inbound mail to other folders (wither junk filters, or user-defined 
rules) then those messages will never be seen by a POP client. The only 
way to see them would be either through an IMAP client, or webmail 
(which is technically IMAP).


Depending on what you're doing, there's ways of using both POP and IMAP 
simultaneously.


Personally, I prefer using POP for my primary usage, and where I keep my 
stores of mail going back nearly 20 years. However, I make use of a lot 
of clients (on a variety of machines), and so I set my normal POP client 
to retain messages for 15 days. That allows me to see recent updates 
from IMAP configurations on secondary machines/clients, without 
disturbing POP. And in clients where I'm likely to compose mail, I 
adjust the configs so that copies of composed messages are saved in the 
Inbox (rather than the Sent folder), which allows me to have copies when 
I next connect with my normal POP client.


Back in the era of dialup connections, I found that if I had a large 
inbound message that took too long to download (and impeded delivery of 
other smaller messages that were further down in the inbox), it was 
useful to make a webmail connection to the server, move the offending 
large message to a folder, and then resume the POP connection. At a time 
that it was convenient to get the large message, then I'd go back and 
move that back into the Inbox.


Smith

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Re: Seamonkey 2.40 and GMail

2016-10-19 Thread Jonathan N. Little 
Ed Mullen wrote:
> On 10/19/2016 at 12:05 PM, Cruz, Jaime's prodigious digits fired off:
>> sean.nat...@invalid.knights.nee wrote:
>>
>>> just a question, why bother "logging in" to their websites at all, when
>>> Seamonkey will download via pop or imap?
>>>
>>> i mean, i have 12 e'mail addresses all being downloaded via imap just so
>>> i never have to spend time logging into webmail pages.
>>
>> Because that's the only way to check the Spam folder.
>>
> 
> Nope.  My IMAP accounts have the spam folder in SeaMonkey mail and
> Thunderbird.  I check and if there is a message that isn't spam then I
> do jump into the Webmail interface to mark it not spam.
> 

The problem is if you are using POP. Gmail will put it in spam folder on
the server and you will never see it in SeaMonkey. I was bit by that
long ago, but fixed it by making a filter to essentially disable Gmail's
spam filter so I could get all mail and filter with SeaMonkey's spam filter.


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Re: Seamonkey 2.40 and GMail

2016-10-19 Thread Ed Mullen 

On 10/19/2016 at 12:05 PM, Cruz, Jaime's prodigious digits fired off:

sean.nat...@invalid.knights.nee wrote:


just a question, why bother "logging in" to their websites at all, when
Seamonkey will download via pop or imap?

i mean, i have 12 e'mail addresses all being downloaded via imap just so
i never have to spend time logging into webmail pages.


Because that's the only way to check the Spam folder.



Nope.  My IMAP accounts have the spam folder in SeaMonkey mail and 
Thunderbird.  I check and if there is a message that isn't spam then I 
do jump into the Webmail interface to mark it not spam.


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those of us who do." - Isaac Asimov

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Re: Seamonkey 2.40 and GMail

2016-10-19 Thread WaltS48 

On 10/19/2016 12:05 PM, Cruz, Jaime wrote:

sean.nat...@invalid.knights.nee wrote:


just a question, why bother "logging in" to their websites at all, when
Seamonkey will download via pop or imap?

i mean, i have 12 e'mail addresses all being downloaded via imap just so
i never have to spend time logging into webmail pages.


Because that's the only way to check the Spam folder.

Well, if it's an IMAP account you shouldn't need to, but I do have to do 
it occasionally for my POP account.


I've found some interesting emails that Verizon thought was Spam.


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Re: Seamonkey 2.40 and GMail

2016-10-19 Thread Cruz, Jaime 

sean.nat...@invalid.knights.nee wrote:


just a question, why bother "logging in" to their websites at all, when
Seamonkey will download via pop or imap?

i mean, i have 12 e'mail addresses all being downloaded via imap just so
i never have to spend time logging into webmail pages.


Because that's the only way to check the Spam folder.

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Re: My bank says my Firefox (actually SM) is not supported

2016-10-19 Thread David E. Ross 
On 10/19/2016 4:36 AM, Smiles wrote:
> how
> 
> David E. Ross wrote:
>> On 10/18/2016 3:46 PM, stan pierce wrote:
>>> My bank says my browser is: Firefox 43.0 S and it is not supported by
>>> their new software. They said  should get Firefox.  Do I need to change
>>> something so I can continue to fake that SM is Firefox? Thanks. Stan.
>>>
>>
>> Try spoofing with "Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:43.0)
>> Gecko/20100101 SeaMonkey/2.40, NOT Firefox/49.0".  If that does not
>> work, then try "Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:49.0)
>> Gecko/20100101 Firefox/49.0".
>>

For spoofing, I use the PrefBar extension from
.  That
extension has a menulist called User Account, which allows users to
select user agent (UA) strings representing other browsers.  That list
likely requires updating, which I do approximately monthly by viewing my
ISP's log of who visited my own Web site.  The menu list automatically
restores your actual UA string whenever you terminate and then launch
SeaMonkey.

Note:  The current PrefBar extension -- and all other current extensions
-- will be broken when (if?) SeaMonkey updates to using Mozilla's
proposed WebExtensions.  Any replacement of PrefBar might not have any
user interface for selecting UA strings or that extensions other
buttons, checkboxes, and menulists.

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include his ex-wives?  How about the students who
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[Solved] Re: mailbox problems (ongoing)

2016-10-19 Thread NFN Smith 

Follow-up item...

In the process of shuffling between the truncated mailbox and backup 
recoveries, I copied everything to separate folders, then re-indexed the 
inbox. When I copied everything back into the inbox (and re-indexing), 
things are all behaving correctly.


Although I have a handful of folders in my inbox, I'm doubtful that 
those are contributing to the problem.  Among other things, I've seen 
zero problems with messages being deleted -- only messages in the inbox 
whose send dates don't have October as the sending month.


I know that there are some (both Seamonkey and Thunderbird) that 
advocate against using inbox folders, although I've done that for years, 
on multiple accounts, and I've never had problems with doing so.


Although I'm curious as to why things are going missing in the way that 
I've described, I'm content to know how to fix things, if they go wrong 
again.


Smith

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Re: My bank says my Firefox (actually SM) is not supported

2016-10-19 Thread Smiles 

how

David E. Ross wrote:

On 10/18/2016 3:46 PM, stan pierce wrote:

My bank says my browser is: Firefox 43.0 S and it is not supported by
their new software. They said  should get Firefox.  Do I need to change
something so I can continue to fake that SM is Firefox? Thanks. Stan.



Try spoofing with "Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:43.0)
Gecko/20100101 SeaMonkey/2.40, NOT Firefox/49.0".  If that does not
work, then try "Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:49.0)
Gecko/20100101 Firefox/49.0".


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Re: Seamonkey 2.40 (latest stable) uses NSS 3.20.1 - possible security vulnerability

2016-10-19 Thread Ray_Net 

Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote on 18/10/2016 22:03:

I wouldn't start hacking together a version with different binaries. Might work
might not. And this won't close any bugs in the base product which could be
exploited if you are so concerned about security.


Ok, I will stay with my official SM 2.40 without introducing some 
possible problem.

Thanks for all answering.
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Re: [Resolved] Re: 2.46 updates?

2016-10-19 Thread Daniel 

On 19/10/2016 1:00 AM, WaltS48 wrote:

On 10/18/2016 09:23 AM, Daniel wrote:

On 18/10/2016 7:48 PM, Adrian Kalla wrote:

W dniu 10/18/2016 o 08:05 AM, Daniel pisze:

On 18/10/2016 2:10 AM, Adrian Kalla wrote:

W dniu 10/17/2016 o 03:13 PM, Daniel pisze:

On 17/10/2016 2:44 PM, NoOp wrote:

On 10/13/2016 12:47 PM, Adrian Kalla wrote:

W dniu 10/12/2016 o 06:51 PM, NoOp pisze:

Yeah, I was as my download history shows that I downloaded 2.46 on
9/9
from Adrian Kalla's (wave to Adrian) directory:
https://l10n.mozilla-community.org/~akalla/unofficial/seamonkey/nightly/



(latest-comm-release-<>).

I was just surprised that the update notice actually worked,
however...
Prior to the update I was running the 32bit version:
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.2; WOW64; rv:49.0) Gecko/20100101
Firefox/49.0
SeaMonkey/2.46
and the update changed my install to 64bit. I had purposely
switched
back to 32bit because of plugin problems (Shockwave Flash is
the only
plugin that shows up in about:plugins with 64bit. Plus the 64bit
update
borked my Lightning calendar & I had to reinstall to 5.1 to get my
calendar back. Now I have to go back and download the 32bit
version &
reinstall so that I can get my plugins to work again :-(

Note: on the linux update all is OK as that was running 64bit
and all
the plugins work.

I'll post back after I revert back to 32bit...


Mozilla recently changed the parameters attached to the
update-URL and
it looks like I've configured the update server incorrectly...
I hope I've fixed it now for the RELEASE branch. Please check,
if the
the upgrade to 64bit from 32bit still happens on Windows.
If it should really work, then I'll fix it for the other
branches too
(please be so kind to send me an email, as I don't check the groups
on a
regular basis).

Best,
Adrian


Thanks Adrian,

The new update works just fine :-)

User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.2; WOW64; rv:49.0)
Gecko/20100101
Firefox/49.0 SeaMonkey/2.46
Build identifier: 20161016181837


I just went to my SM browser, clicked Help->Check for updates and was
told there were no updates for my WIN7 WOW64 SM!!


What version exactly? Where downloaded from?


Do as Paul suggests or, even easier, have a look at my Sig!! WOW64 SM
2.40 direct from the SeaMonkey Project web page.


Then everything works for you as expected.


But still not being offered any update!



Because there isn't any.

The others are using unofficial versions from Adrian or somewhere else.

Thanks for this, Walt. I had thought that might be the case ... but, 
then, upthread, Adrian posted 


"Mozilla recently changed the parameters attached to the update-URL and 
it looks like I've configured the update server incorrectly... I hope 
I've fixed it now for the RELEASE branch."


So I was thinking it was a genuine release, finally!!

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User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:43.0) Gecko/20100101 
SeaMonkey/2.40 Build identifier: 20160120202951

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User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:41.0) Gecko/20100101 
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