Re: There's a "video war" going on, and we users are the victims

[Chris Ilias]

On 2017-08-22 7:17 AM, null wrote:
There seems to be a kind of war going on between the proponents of Adobe 
Flash, something open source called Webm, and the HTML5 player.


HTML5 is not a media player. It's a language used for writing webpages. 
The new HTML standard (number 5) allows browsers to play video without 
the need for a third-party plugin, like Flash, similar to how you don't 
need a plugin to view images. For more info, this video does a good job 
explaining it .


Since that video was published, Adobe has announced plans to kill Flash.

As others have pointed out, the reason why you're having trouble with 
HTML5 videos is because modern web browsers require something later than 
Windows XP for HTML5 videos.


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Re: There's a "video war" going on, and we users are the victims

[TCW]

On 8/22/2017 6:17 AM, null wrote:
There seems to be a kind of war going on between the proponents of Adobe 
Flash, something open source called Webm, and the HTML5 player.


Increasingly videos from this or that source will not play in either SM 
or FF.


For instance, recent videos posted to Youtube increasingly will not play 
in SM 2.46. Instead, an error message says "Your browser does not 
currently recognize and of the video formats available. Click here to 
visit our frequently asked questions about HTML5 video."


The same problem occurs in FF 52.3.0.

Going to the offered Youtube FAQ, the information there is confusing and 
inadequate - it does not tell me exactly what I have to do or what I 
need in order to play video that apparently wants the HTML player . . . 
whatever exactly that is!


Chrome 49.0.2623.112 *will* run the *same* videos that the others won't.

What is going on here!? Very difficult to get any clear explanation 
about this.


Can anyone explain?


Agreeing with Frank on the XP thing. If you're on XP, best bet is to 
*try* K-Lite Basic. Otherwise, . 2017 tech doesn't work on a 15+ 
year old OS.


Chrome 49 isn't FF 52.3.0. Who knows what tricks they used back in 
v49.0. You're running insecure apps my friend. If you insist on running 
a depreciated OS, at least do the POS2009 hack for XP to keep yourself 
safe for a few more years.

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Re: There's a "video war" going on, and we users are the victims

[Mason83]

On 22/08/2017 13:17, null wrote:

> There seems to be a kind of war going on between the proponents of Adobe 
> Flash, something open source called Webm, and the HTML5 player.

Flash is on the way out (December 2020).
https://www.ghacks.net/2017/07/25/adobe-retires-flash-in-december-2020/

Webm is a video format using only free audio/video codecs
(On2 VP8, Vorbis, Opus)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WebM

HTML5 is a family of technologies, one of which is the video element.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTML5_video

In particular, you'll want to read carefully
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTML5_video#Free_formats

The problem is patents, and companies owning these
patents. Specifically H.264 and MPEG-LA.
(Although Cisco did provide a royalty-free H.264
decoder, if I am not mistaken...)
https://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2013/10/30/video-interoperability-on-the-web-gets-a-boost-from-ciscos-h-264-codec/

AV1 will set us all free!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AOMedia_Video_1
Alliance for Open Media Video 1

> Increasingly videos from this or that source will not play in either SM 
> or FF.
> 
> For instance, recent videos posted to Youtube increasingly will not play 
> in SM 2.46.

Please provide an URL (or several) of such videos.
I'm willing to bet that they work on most SM setups.

Regards.
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Re: There's a "video war" going on, and we users are the victims

[Paul B. Gallagher]

Steve Dunn wrote:


On 2017-08-22 10:20, null wrote:


Do I have HTML5 support? From the above, I'm unclear.


You do, but you are missing one of the most common codecs, which may
be the problem.  There are numerous codecs
(COmpressors-DECompressors) for video, much like there are for audio,
and you need to have at least one in common with whatever codecs the
site you're visiting supports.

...

My 32-bit Seamonkey 2.46 running on 64-bit Windows 7 has checkmarks
in all of those boxes, and has no problem playing videos on Youtube.
That does lend credence to the theory that it's because you're
missing H.264.

Years ago, I saw a recommendation for the K-Lite Codec Pack and I
installed it on my computer.  Maybe that's the difference.


My 32-bit SeaMonkey 2.46 running on 64-bit Windows 7 Pro SP1 also has 
check marks in all the boxes, but not because I ever installed K-Lite. 
This thread is the first I've heard of it.


However, I do have the VLC player installed, as well as Adobe Flash and 
Shockwave, so maybe one of those provided the required code. In its 
advanced preferences, VLC lists H264 under "demuxers," FWIW.


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Re: There's a "video war" going on, and we users are the victims

[Frank-Rainer Grahl]

> Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:49.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/49.0 
SeaMonkey/2.46


If you are running XP just forget anything HTML5 which isn't working out of 
the box. Support is just not there anymore and no one will fix it.


At this point in time XP and HTML5 is just self torture.

FRG


null wrote:
There seems to be a kind of war going on between the proponents of Adobe 
Flash, something open source called Webm, and the HTML5 player.


Increasingly videos from this or that source will not play in either SM or FF.

For instance, recent videos posted to Youtube increasingly will not play in SM 
2.46. Instead, an error message says "Your browser does not currently 
recognize and of the video formats available. Click here to visit our 
frequently asked questions about HTML5 video."


The same problem occurs in FF 52.3.0.

Going to the offered Youtube FAQ, the information there is confusing and 
inadequate - it does not tell me exactly what I have to do or what I need in 
order to play video that apparently wants the HTML player . . . whatever 
exactly that is!


Chrome 49.0.2623.112 *will* run the *same* videos that the others won't.

What is going on here!? Very difficult to get any clear explanation about this.

Can anyone explain?

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Re: There's a "video war" going on, and we users are the victims

[TCW]

On 8/22/2017 1:15 PM, Steve Dunn wrote:

On 2017-08-22 10:20, null wrote:

WaltS48 wrote:

Do you have HTML5 support?



What is checked there?


Using SM, The page asks the question "What does this browser support?"

The following boxes are ticked :
HTMLVideoElement
Media Source Extensions
WebM VP8
MSE & WebM  VP9

The following boxes have an exclamation mark in them :
H.264
MSE & H.264

Do I have HTML5 support? From the above, I'm unclear.


 You do, but you are missing one of the most common codecs, which 
may be the problem.  There are numerous codecs 
(COmpressors-DECompressors) for video, much like there are for audio, 
and you need to have at least one in common with whatever codecs the 
site you're visiting supports.


 To put it in a non-technical analogy, HTML5 support is like the 
Roman alphabet and the codecs (VP8, VP9, H.264, etc.) are like 
languages.  If I know the Roman alphabet and two languages that use it 
(say, English and French) but the site only has videos in two other 
languages that also use the Roman alphabet (say, Swedish and Romanian), 
well, that won't work.


 My 32-bit Seamonkey 2.46 running on 64-bit Windows 7 has checkmarks 
in all of those boxes, and has no problem playing videos on Youtube.  
That does lend credence to the theory that it's because you're missing 
H.264.


 Years ago, I saw a recommendation for the K-Lite Codec Pack and I 
installed it on my computer.  Maybe that's the difference.


-Steve


Likely. K-Lite install codecs for *all* variants.
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Re: There's a "video war" going on, and we users are the victims

[Steve Dunn]

On 2017-08-22 10:20, null wrote:

WaltS48 wrote:

Do you have HTML5 support?



What is checked there?


Using SM, The page asks the question "What does this browser support?"

The following boxes are ticked :
HTMLVideoElement
Media Source Extensions
WebM VP8
MSE & WebM  VP9

The following boxes have an exclamation mark in them :
H.264
MSE & H.264

Do I have HTML5 support? From the above, I'm unclear.


	You do, but you are missing one of the most common codecs, which may be 
the problem.  There are numerous codecs (COmpressors-DECompressors) for 
video, much like there are for audio, and you need to have at least one 
in common with whatever codecs the site you're visiting supports.


	To put it in a non-technical analogy, HTML5 support is like the Roman 
alphabet and the codecs (VP8, VP9, H.264, etc.) are like languages.  If 
I know the Roman alphabet and two languages that use it (say, English 
and French) but the site only has videos in two other languages that 
also use the Roman alphabet (say, Swedish and Romanian), well, that 
won't work.


	My 32-bit Seamonkey 2.46 running on 64-bit Windows 7 has checkmarks in 
all of those boxes, and has no problem playing videos on Youtube.  That 
does lend credence to the theory that it's because you're missing H.264.


	Years ago, I saw a recommendation for the K-Lite Codec Pack and I 
installed it on my computer.  Maybe that's the difference.


-Steve
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Re: There's a "video war" going on, and we users are the victims

[TCW]

On 8/22/2017 9:20 AM, null wrote:

WaltS48 wrote:

On 8/22/17 7:17 AM, null wrote:
There seems to be a kind of war going on between the proponents of 
Adobe Flash, something open source called Webm, and the HTML5 player.


Increasingly videos from this or that source will not play in either 
SM or FF.


For instance, recent videos posted to Youtube increasingly will not 
play in SM 2.46. Instead, an error message says "Your browser does 
not currently recognize and of the video formats available. Click 
here to visit our frequently asked questions about HTML5 video."


The same problem occurs in FF 52.3.0.

Going to the offered Youtube FAQ, the information there is confusing 
and inadequate - it does not tell me exactly what I have to do or 
what I need in order to play video that apparently wants the HTML 
player . . . whatever exactly that is!


Chrome 49.0.2623.112 *will* run the *same* videos that the others won't.

What is going on here!? Very difficult to get any clear explanation 
about this.


Can anyone explain?


Do you have HTML5 support?



What is checked there?


Using SM, The page asks the question "What does this browser support?"

The following boxes are ticked :
HTMLVideoElement
Media Source Extensions
WebM VP8
MSE & WebM  VP9

The following boxes have an exclamation mark in them :
H.264
MSE & H.264

Do I have HTML5 support? From the above, I'm unclear.


You could also try installing K-Lite Codec pack basic.
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Re: There's a "video war" going on, and we users are the victims

[null]

WaltS48 wrote:

On 8/22/17 7:17 AM, null wrote:
There seems to be a kind of war going on between the proponents of 
Adobe Flash, something open source called Webm, and the HTML5 player.


Increasingly videos from this or that source will not play in either 
SM or FF.


For instance, recent videos posted to Youtube increasingly will not 
play in SM 2.46. Instead, an error message says "Your browser does 
not currently recognize and of the video formats available. Click 
here to visit our frequently asked questions about HTML5 video."


The same problem occurs in FF 52.3.0.

Going to the offered Youtube FAQ, the information there is confusing 
and inadequate - it does not tell me exactly what I have to do or 
what I need in order to play video that apparently wants the HTML 
player . . . whatever exactly that is!


Chrome 49.0.2623.112 *will* run the *same* videos that the others won't.

What is going on here!? Very difficult to get any clear explanation 
about this.


Can anyone explain?


Do you have HTML5 support?



What is checked there?


Using SM, The page asks the question "What does this browser support?"

The following boxes are ticked :
HTMLVideoElement
Media Source Extensions
WebM VP8
MSE & WebM  VP9

The following boxes have an exclamation mark in them :
H.264
MSE & H.264

Do I have HTML5 support? From the above, I'm unclear.
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Re: There's a "video war" going on, and we users are the victims

[WaltS48]

On 8/22/17 7:17 AM, null wrote:
There seems to be a kind of war going on between the proponents of Adobe 
Flash, something open source called Webm, and the HTML5 player.


Increasingly videos from this or that source will not play in either SM 
or FF.


For instance, recent videos posted to Youtube increasingly will not play 
in SM 2.46. Instead, an error message says "Your browser does not 
currently recognize and of the video formats available. Click here to 
visit our frequently asked questions about HTML5 video."


The same problem occurs in FF 52.3.0.

Going to the offered Youtube FAQ, the information there is confusing and 
inadequate - it does not tell me exactly what I have to do or what I 
need in order to play video that apparently wants the HTML player . . . 
whatever exactly that is!


Chrome 49.0.2623.112 *will* run the *same* videos that the others won't.

What is going on here!? Very difficult to get any clear explanation 
about this.


Can anyone explain?


Do you have HTML5 support?



What is checked there?

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Re: Mail notifications

[Steve Rogerson]

On Tuesday, 22 August 2017 14:23:58 UTC+1, Steve Rogerson  wrote:
> I downloaded 2.48 for my Mac. Now, every time a new email comes in I get an 
> annoying notification in the top of my screen and a sound. I have looked in 
> preferences and the notifications box is NOT checked. So why is this 
> happening? I am using Mac Os 10.9.5.

Ignore me, sorted. I blocked Sea Monkey from doing notifications via the Mac's 
system preferences.
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Mail notifications

[Steve Rogerson]

I downloaded 2.48 for my Mac. Now, every time a new email comes in I get an 
annoying notification in the top of my screen and a sound. I have looked in 
preferences and the notifications box is NOT checked. So why is this happening? 
I am using Mac Os 10.9.5.
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There's a "video war" going on, and we users are the victims

[null]

There seems to be a kind of war going on between the proponents of Adobe 
Flash, something open source called Webm, and the HTML5 player.


Increasingly videos from this or that source will not play in either SM 
or FF.


For instance, recent videos posted to Youtube increasingly will not play 
in SM 2.46. Instead, an error message says "Your browser does not 
currently recognize and of the video formats available. Click here to 
visit our frequently asked questions about HTML5 video."


The same problem occurs in FF 52.3.0.

Going to the offered Youtube FAQ, the information there is confusing and 
inadequate - it does not tell me exactly what I have to do or what I 
need in order to play video that apparently wants the HTML player . . . 
whatever exactly that is!


Chrome 49.0.2623.112 *will* run the *same* videos that the others won't.

What is going on here!? Very difficult to get any clear explanation 
about this.


Can anyone explain?
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Re: WEB Ctrl D

[Lucas Levrel]

Le 11 août 2017, à 18:01, Ray Davison a écrit :
The default used to be tree open.  At some point it changed to tree closed, 
but someone posted how to set a switch to tree open.  And so I did, but now I 
have lost it.


I found this in my userChrome.css, which, although it doesn't have effect 
in my 2.40 SM, may give you a starting point for a web search...


#editBMPanel_folderTreeRow {
collapsed: false ! important;
moz-collapsed: false ! important;
visibility: visible ! important;
}


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