Re: Bug in SM-2.53.2 regarding reply adresses: Reply to NG with incomplete recipients

[Rainer Bielefeld]

Rainer Bielefeld schrieb:

I will file a bug



It's "Bug 1618453 Recipient missing in particular replies in Newsgroup 
discussions" 


CU

Rainer
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Re: Flash Player and YouTube Problems

[David E. Ross]

On 2/26/2020 9:32 AM, alexyu wrote:
> David E. Ross wrote, on 25 Feb 20 19:48:
> 
>> On 2/25/2020 2:27 PM, EE wrote:
>>
>>> David E. Ross wrote:
>>>
 I believe the preference variable is
media.autoplay.enabled
 If false, HTML5 media is disabled.  If true, HTML5 media is enabled.

 At least, this is how I control HTML5 media via PrefBar.  It does seem
 to work.
>>>
>>> That is not strictly true.  HTML5 autoplay is disabled.  There should still 
>>> be
>>> a play button you can click to get it to play, in most cases.  There are a 
>>> few
>>> sites where you need autoplay enabled to get the video to play even after 
>>> you
>>> click the play button, but I have an extension that gives me a button to
>>> toggle the setting.
>>
>> By default, I have media.autoplay.enabled set to false.  When there is a
>> video I want to play, I use PrefBar to change it to true (selecting a
>> checkbox on the PrefBar tool bar).  I then reload the Web page, and the
>> video plays.
> 
> How do you change "autoplay.enabled" (or not) in PrefBar?  I don't have 
> that option in my 'PrefBar Options'...  Is that one I didn't include at 
> the time of installation -- and how can I get in my PrefBar now?
> 

It is a checkbox that I created and added to PrefBar.  Creating such
checkboxes is easy.

If you want my checkbox, do the following:

1.  Go to .

2.  Right-click on HTML5_media.btn, select "Save Link Target As" from
the pull-down context menu, and indicate in the resulting window where
you want to download the file.

3.  Right-click on the PrefBar tool bar, and select "Customize PrefBar"
in the pull-down context menu.

4.  In the list of PrefBar objects on the right side of the PrefBar
window, under Enabled Items, right-click and select Import in the
pull-down context menu.

5.  In the resulting window, navigate to where you saved
HTML5_media.btn, select the file, and then select the Open button.

6.  The checkbox will have been added to the bottom of the Enabled Items
list as "HTML5 Media".  You can drag it up to another position, which
will determine where on the PrefBar toolbar it will appear.

With a checkmark in the checkbox, HTML5 media is enabled.  With no
checkmark, it is disabled.

After inporting the checkbox into PrefBar, you can deleted the
HTML5_media.btn file from where you downloaded it.  In two weeks, I will
remove the file from my Web site.

-- 
David E. Ross


Beyond Meat and other such vegetarian meat substitutes
represent the ultimate in ultra-processed foods.  Real
meat is natural.  Beyond Meat is definitely not.  No,
I do NOT own a cattle ranch, a butcher shop, or any
other business doing commerce in meat.
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Could we remove some files in the SM profile ?

[Ray_Net]

Hello,
When we unsubscribe all corresponding files are removed except the .dat 
file - Could we remove this one ?
When we delete a news-server, there are still this-server.msf and 
this-server.rc files present in the news directory - could we remove 
thoses files ?

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Re: What happens next?

[MRoss-GMX]

Re: What happens next?

Again I ask, is Seamonkey Ubiquitous like Firefox?  No.

Is Seamonkey offered, exposed, shown to users as an option when they
view Linux Package alternatives in the software/application package
repo/kiosk after the install process?  Seldom it seems.

More below...


Wed, 26 Feb 2020 09:08 +0100 Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:
MRoss-GMX wrote:

Fri, 21 Feb 2020 01:11 -0800 1lehme...@web.de wrote:
Because I believe that Seamonkey would find more friends again if it
is updated automatically and regularly.


That would certainly help of course!

With total respect for everybody reading and those responding to this
list, certainly to Seamonkey developers:

Question: Is Seamonkey Ubiquitous like Firefox?

Until Seamonkey is distributed and installable like Firefox has been,
available via every repository/kiosk possible, it will not receive
attention, interest, nor respect from ignorant users. --
(Ignorant means lack of knowing!, Not Stupid Nor Dumb!)


I don't think that SeaMonkey is suitable for every user. The trend is to dumb
down software and unless the interface is simple and the program does
everything right you would just be flooded with support tickets. Looking
aorund I see people even more helpless than 20 years before when they have a
problem. So SM will probably stay as a niche browser for power usewrs.


I am sure you are correct about Seamonkey not being for everybody! No
application is for everybody! That is the beauty of Linux compared to
MS Windows, and all the possible applications we have access to in
Linux, more often than not.

Yet Seamonkey is hidden to most everybody loading Ubuntu - the prime
Linux spearhead for years now, and others like Mint, Debian, Fedora,
..., and recently I now see SUSE is coming up to the top ten installed
packages(I thank the post for the info; from another thread fork).

I missed reviewing SUSE recently as I did not like it 5-6 years ago,
and so did not find it had Seamonkey in the repo/kiosk. I thank the
other poster here for enlightening me on SUSE, I missed it. Yet the
issue remains; Seamonkey is still basically hidden.

Seamonkey is far easier to use than Firefox and Thunderbird, from my
experience, and from other People I correspond with. Both FF and TB
cause me to stumble, it's irritating. Seamonkey is more natural
somehow, easier to use, and People I know agree. It is far more
capable too. Firefox is missing too much of what SM offers.

One guy I know tossed his Acer Aspire 5050 AMD Turion 64 computer in
the trash over FF and webmail pages, refused to even look further. I
use it now - this is it talking to you with Ubuntu Mate 18.04 LTS and
Seamonkey 2.49.5! The guy now uses an LG Tracfone for everything, his
wife suffers an MS Windows mess she hates. So agitated were they I
was unable to get them to even look at Linux nor anything else. Damage
done. They are now Dvoid Google-Android users - mostly. Including
their Android TV system via cable; a Walmart offering.


If money would really help Seamonkey, we all need to donate as best we
can. But only to Seamonkey, not to Mozilla nor Firefox. Seamonkey
needs support, developers, liberated.



Monkey is needed to pay the bills for azure builders and the other servers.
More needed are people dedicated to help and able to work it out with minimal
guiding.
FRG


Gotcha. Understand. Thanks for writing, and all your help and efforts!

--
The Best To You & Yours,
M. Ross All Rights Reserved

Be Aware, all email from the gmail domain is
summarily trashed by this email address.
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Reinstalling Lightning in Seamonkey

[Rob Steinmetz]

I have been having problems with Seamonkey 2.49.5 Windows 7 64 bit 
disabling or deleting Lightning and other bundles extensions although I 
don't use them much. I have so far unable to reinstall it.


Does there exist an .xpi version of Lightning (and the other bundled 
extenstion) I can install or some other method to do so?


The Release Notes say this:


Lightning or one of the distributed extensions is not showing up or is disabled 
under Add-ons.
If the extension is disabled and can not be enabled deinstall it. If it does 
not show up after restart do the following:

Enter "about:config" in the location bar.
Enter "extensions.installedDistroAddon" in the search field.
Reset the key of the extension not showing up using the popup menu with the 
mouse. If in doubt just reset all keys but this might bring back previously 
uninstalled distributed Add-ons.
Restart SeaMonkey.


However in a number of cases the appropriate key is not present and 
toggling it makes no difference.


I can create a new profile that will work but transferring existing 
email, bookmarks filters and junk setting is a real pain and in a number 
of cases the new profile goes bad as well..

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Re: Flash Player and YouTube Problems

[EE]

alexyu wrote:

David E. Ross wrote, on 25 Feb 20 19:48:


On 2/25/2020 2:27 PM, EE wrote:


David E. Ross wrote:


I believe the preference variable is
media.autoplay.enabled
If false, HTML5 media is disabled.  If true, HTML5 media is enabled.

At least, this is how I control HTML5 media via PrefBar.  It does seem
to work.


That is not strictly true.  HTML5 autoplay is disabled.  There should still be
a play button you can click to get it to play, in most cases.  There are a few
sites where you need autoplay enabled to get the video to play even after you
click the play button, but I have an extension that gives me a button to
toggle the setting.


By default, I have media.autoplay.enabled set to false.  When there is a
video I want to play, I use PrefBar to change it to true (selecting a
checkbox on the PrefBar tool bar).  I then reload the Web page, and the
video plays.


How do you change "autoplay.enabled" (or not) in PrefBar?  I don't have that 
option in my 'PrefBar Options'...  Is that one I didn't include at the time of 
installation -- and how can I get in my PrefBar now?


I have an extension called Autoplay Toggle which provides me with a toolbar 
button to toggle autoplay.  It is still on the Thunderbird addons site.

https://addons.thunderbird.net/en-US/seamonkey/addon/autoplay-toggle-nonrestartless

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Re: DoH and SeaMonkey

[Lee]

On 2/25/20, Paul Bergsagel  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Does SeaMonkey support DoH and if it does how can it be enabled?

apparently not

> Also does anyone know the pros and cons of using DoH?

Pro - hide your dns traffic from your ISP, sidestep ISP/Country blocks
for "bad" hostnames

Con - google. cloudflare, whatever sees all your name resolution
requests, no ability to monitor or block name resolution requests on
your own (eg. family safe or gambling filters)

If you think you might want DOH then you should take a look at TOR
  https://www.torproject.org/
better privacy, but riskier since anyone can put up an exit node and
do whatever (at the very least, do not enable javascript from
unencrypted pages)


I did a quick look for DOH links - you might want to take a quick look at

http://www.circleid.com/posts/20191212_whats_behind_the_secure_dns_controversy_doh/
  From Mozilla's perspective, the move to DoH is quite simple: it
provides users with greater privacy and security.
  ...
Erwin points out that in the US, ISPs specifically — and successfully
— lobbied to be released from new rules that would have prevented them
from selling or sharing user data and gives several examples where
user data has already been monetized.


https://www.freezenet.ca/mozilla-accuses-isps-of-lying-to-congress-about-doh-encryption/
  Then, in late October, news broke that suggests that big US ISPs are
also behind the push to put an end to DoH encryption. A leaked Comcast
slideshow destined for congress urges lawmakers to put an end to such
encryption. Many point out that the motivation to stop this is likely
revolving around ISPs pushing tracking and advertising onto their
customers. DoH encryption stands to thwart such an effort, so it may
be at least one motivating factor why ISPs are trying to put a stop to
it.


https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/07/06/mozilla_ukisp_vallain/
  The UK ISPA earlier this week proposed Mozilla, self-styled defender
of internet freedom, as a black hat for its "proposed approach to
introduce DNS-over-HTTPS in such a way as to bypass UK filtering
obligations and parental controls, undermining internet safety
standards in the UK."

source doc for DOH protocol
  https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc8484
  Category: Standards Track
you can skip most of it and just look at sections
  8.  Privacy Considerations
  9.  Security Considerations
 10. Operational Considerations

and also take a look at
  
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-livingood-doh-implementation-risks-issues/?include_text=1

links to blog posts that discuss the "rights" or "wrongs" of DoH
  https://doh.defaultroutes.de/


Regards,
Lee
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Re: iframe codes cause havoc uploading htmls

[Frank-Rainer Grahl]

Don Spam's Reckless Son wrote:

tangerinetwili...@gmail.com wrote:

I am talking about using "publish" through Composer



Composer was essentially abandoned years ago.  I still use it a lot for 
editing - and creating - html files locally but if you want a "serious" editor 
then you need to look elsewhere.




Lest just say it takes a backseat. Very far back backseat:) We still try to 
fix breaking bugs but no resources for bringing it up to spec. Same with DOM 
inspector.


FRG
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"search' in emails

[alexyu]

In SM, you can activate 'search' for email drafts by the shortcut 
'Ctrl-F'.  Does anyone know if it's possible to change some 
settings/options/whatever so that every email draft always opens with 
the 'search' field active?


And, while I'm on this subject, is there some way to change the order of 
the options in the first 'advanced search' (for folders) so that "Body" 
is the first option, instead of "subject"?  I imagine this is 
'hard-coded'. but perhaps there's some way to change it...


--
Best,

s) alexyu   



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Re: iframe codes cause havoc uploading htmls

[Don Spam's Reckless Son]

tangerinetwili...@gmail.com wrote:

I am talking about using "publish" through Composer



Composer was essentially abandoned years ago.  I still use it a lot for 
editing - and creating - html files locally but if you want a "serious" 
editor then you need to look elsewhere.


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Re: Flash Player and YouTube Problems

[alexyu]

David E. Ross wrote, on 25 Feb 20 19:48:


On 2/25/2020 2:27 PM, EE wrote:


David E. Ross wrote:


I believe the preference variable is
media.autoplay.enabled
If false, HTML5 media is disabled.  If true, HTML5 media is enabled.

At least, this is how I control HTML5 media via PrefBar.  It does seem
to work.


That is not strictly true.  HTML5 autoplay is disabled.  There should still be
a play button you can click to get it to play, in most cases.  There are a few
sites where you need autoplay enabled to get the video to play even after you
click the play button, but I have an extension that gives me a button to
toggle the setting.


By default, I have media.autoplay.enabled set to false.  When there is a
video I want to play, I use PrefBar to change it to true (selecting a
checkbox on the PrefBar tool bar).  I then reload the Web page, and the
video plays.


How do you change "autoplay.enabled" (or not) in PrefBar?  I don't have 
that option in my 'PrefBar Options'...  Is that one I didn't include at 
the time of installation -- and how can I get in my PrefBar now?


--
Best,

s) alexyu   



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Re: Bug in SM-2.53.2 regarding reply adresses: Reply to NG with incomplete recipients

[Rainer Bielefeld]

Frank-Rainer Grahl schrieb:

2.49.5 affected?



Will be tested, of course!
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Re: Bug in SM-2.53.2 regarding reply adresses: Reply to NG with incomplete recipients

[Frank-Rainer Grahl]

Rainer Bielefeld wrote:

Hartmut Figge schrieb:

1a) Reply to Newsgroup


My test results with installation of unofficial (by wg9s) De SeaMonkey 2.53.2 
beta 1 pre Mozilla/5.0  (NT 6.1; Win64; x64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 
Firefox/60.0 Build 20200222130008 (Default Classic Theme, newly created User 
Profile) on German WIN7 64bit:

*OK*


1b) Reply to Sender Only

*NOK*


1c) Reply to Sender and Newsgroup

*NOK*


1d) Reply to all Recipients

*NOK*


2a) Reply to Newsgroup

*OK*


2b) Reply to Sender Only

*OK*


2c) Reply to Sender and Newsgroup

*NOK*


2d) Reply to all Recipients

*OK*

Means:
All the same as in Hartmut's test.

I will file a bug for this in the afternoon

CU

Rainer


2.49.5 affected?

2.53.1 beta 1 or the almost final 2.53.1 affected?

FRG
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Re: Bug in SM-2.53.2 regarding reply adresses: Reply to NG with incomplete recipients

[Rainer Bielefeld]

Hartmut Figge schrieb:

1a) Reply to Newsgroup


My test results with installation of unofficial (by wg9s) De SeaMonkey 
2.53.2 beta 1 pre Mozilla/5.0  (NT 6.1; Win64; x64; rv:60.0) 
Gecko/20100101 Firefox/60.0 Build 20200222130008 (Default Classic Theme, 
newly created User Profile) on German WIN7 64bit:

*OK*


1b) Reply to Sender Only

*NOK*


1c) Reply to Sender and Newsgroup

*NOK*


1d) Reply to all Recipients

*NOK*


2a) Reply to Newsgroup

*OK*


2b) Reply to Sender Only

*OK*


2c) Reply to Sender and Newsgroup

*NOK*


2d) Reply to all Recipients

*OK*

Means:
All the same as in Hartmut's test.

I will file a bug for this in the afternoon

CU

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Re: What happens next?

[Frank-Rainer Grahl]

MRoss-GMX wrote:

Re: What happens next?


Fri, 21 Feb 2020 01:11 -0800 1lehme...@web.de wrote:
Because I believe that Seamonkey would find more friends again if it
is updated automatically and regularly.


That would certainly help of course!

With total respect for everybody reading and those responding to this
list, certainly to Seamonkey developers:

Question: Is Seamonkey Ubiquitous like Firefox?

Until Seamonkey is distributed and installable like Firefox has been,
available via every repository/kiosk possible, it will not receive
attention, interest, nor respect from ignorant users. --
(Ignorant means lack of knowing!, Not Stupid Nor Dumb!)


I don't think that SeaMonkey is suitable for every user. The trend is to dumb 
down software and unless the interface is simple and the program does 
everything right you would just be flooded with support tickets. Looking 
aorund I see people even more helpless than 20 years before when they have a 
problem. So SM will probably stay as a niche browser for power usewrs.



If money would really help Seamonkey, we all need to donate as best we
can. But only to Seamonkey, not to Mozilla nor Firefox. Seamonkey
needs support, developers, liberated.


Monkey is needed to pay the bills for azure builders and the other servers. 
More needed are people dedicated to help and able to work it out with minimal 
guiding.



Maybe "Tor" would be a good addition to Seamonkey. It seems to be
failing with Firefox, at least since it was hacked by the Feds. They
are begging for money too! Firefox is not secure, I am not sure about
Seamonkey.



FRG
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