Re: Good bye SeaMonkey Browser

[Slugracing]

WaltS48 wrote:

On 9/1/20 12:40 AM, Slugracing wrote:

Slugracing wrote:

Nuno Silva wrote:

On 2020-08-19, Slugracing wrote:


Nuno Silva wrote:

On 2020-08-18, Slugracing wrote:

[...]

I too have come to a fork in the road and am now looking to move to
another browser. the stalling and memory usage has now gotten out of
control. since we move to the 2.53 series my ram usage has doubled,
and I don't have double the ram so it swaps constantly and 
because of

this its slow as a wet week.

None of the other browsers I have tried including Firefox use as 
much

ram for the same sites open.

Thanks


Are you using the binaries from https://www.seamonkey-project.org/ 
or is

it a distribution-compiled version?



Distro version (manjaro). I have now just downloaded the ones from
seamonkey and will try this for a few days and see how it goes


Thanks! Please let us know how it goes - it will be very helpful to 
know

whether this happens with both packages or not.



Ok I have been using 2.53.4b1 for a few days downloaded directly from 
SM website, I have been doing pretty much the same things I always do 
and have at this point in time an improvement in ram usage, down 
around 40%.


Ill keep using this for a few more days and report back again.

Thanks



Ok I can safely say Im still having the same issues .. over a period 
of a few hours CPU and RAM go through the roof.


Pity I was hoping for a fix.




Doing any cryptomining?






hahah No Im not
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Re: Newsgroup spam

[Richmond]

Edward wrote:
> In SeaMonkey (probably Thunderbird as well), if you right click the
> subject in the message, one of the options is to delete the message,
> which will delete it from the list.
> 
> The spams appear to be posted via Google Groups, but the Groups abuse
> e-mail address no longer works. abuse  google  com does work,
> as I haven't received any bounces from that address, but do not know if
> anyone actually reads the e-mails sent to it, or if they investigate.
> 
> 

You can use filters to remove much spam so you won't see it.
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Re: Newsgroup spam

[Don Spam's Reckless Son]

Edward wrote:
In SeaMonkey (probably Thunderbird as well), if you right click the 
subject in the message, one of the options is to delete the message, 
which will delete it from the list.


The spams appear to be posted via Google Groups, but the Groups abuse 
e-mail address no longer works. abuse  google  com does work, 
as I haven't received any bounces from that address, but do not know if 
anyone actually reads the e-mails sent to it, or if they investigate.



I tried ab...@google.com (if they get spammed they have something to 
analyse) years ago with no results I could see.  The spam postings also 
remained up.
Chris Ilias does delete some postings here but he leaves THAT MISERABLE 
CHARACTER alone, and if I say more he'll probably start censoring me.


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Re: Why I am still at 2.49.5

[Ray Davison]

EE wrote:

Nuno Silva wrote:




By any chance, did you set privacy.resist.fingerprinting to true?  I had 
a problem with window sizes and also a weird unchangeable user-agent 
with that setting.  I had to change it to false.


SM 2.53.3
privacy.resist.fingerprinting is default: false.

Ctrl-D is kinda unusable.

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Re: No vertical scroll bar ...

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Paul Bergsagel wrote:

Lemuel Johnson wrote:

On 9/2/2020 7:34 AM, Ray_Net wrote:

No vertical scroll bar ...

https://fr.surveymonkey.com/mp/legal/cookies/

Works ok with Google Chrome.

Again you will say that the problem is at te webmaster of the site :-)



Well, yes.  The "body" stanza of the site CSS includes the rule:
 overflow:  -moz-scrollbars-none;

If I disable that rule using Developer Tools the scrollbar re-appears.

I have no idea what they are trying to accomplish with that.

Lem Johnson
Maybe this is to passively "force" users not to use SeaMonkey. Survey 
Monkey may be wanting to reduce the number of browsers they have to test 
their web page with so they make the web page display incorrectly for 
any other browser than Chrome (chrome variations also) or Firefox. The 
hope is that users will switch to either a Chrome variation or Firefox. 
This tactic is not something I thought a professional company would use 
to reduce the number of browsers they need to test with their site.


I had been thinking it looked fine for me, with SeaMonkey 2.53.3 on 
Linux Mint MATE.  Then just realised that NoScript was blocking scripts 
from running.  Allowing the scripts leads to the scrollbar disappearing. 
 So seems to be something in their scripting that leads to the 
scrollbar being removed.


Firefox 80.0 indicates that "-moz-scrollbars-none" is an invalid value 
for the "overflow" property.  So presumably it works on Firefox because 
the newer version has dropped support for that Mozilla-specific value. 
Probably a case of SurveyMonkey having left that bit of CSS in following 
some other change, checking that it works OK on the latest Firefox, and 
not noticing the effect of the left-over CSS on older versions which 
still recognise it.


You /might/ get somewhere reporting to SurveyMonkey that the latest 
Firefox indicates that this is an invalid value (and by the way, its 
presence happens to break the page on some other browsers they don't 
support, so getting rid of the invisible error in Firefox would also 
help users of those other browsers).  But they probably don't care about 
underlying errors anyway as long as it looks OK on the limited set of 
browsers they test with, and almost certainly don't care if it doesn't 
work on "unsupported" browsers.


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Re: Accessing Xfinity Support Page SM 2.53.3 Win 10 Pro

[NFN Smith]

Samuel S wrote:


I apologize for the delayed response:

1) https://internet.xfinity.com/unsupported-browser.html

2) Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/60.0 



That's one that you can get around with browser spoofing.

I just checked, and it complains about default Seamonkey settings. 
However, with spoofing, you can get around it.  If xfinity sees:



  Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/78.0


I'm having no problems getting through.  (For what it's worth, I have no 
problems even if I use a UA string that claims that I'm running Firefox 
78 on a Mac.)


Two ways of spoofing:

1) Extension -- I use PrefBar, which allows me to do spoofing on demand, 
but that spoofs for all sites, including the mail client.  Thus for the 
message I'm replying to, my use of the Display MUA extension shows that 
you composed your message with Firefox 60.


In this context, I know that you're spoofing Firefox 60 for your 
browser, but it does look odd when that turns up in your mail.


When I'm spoofing this way, it's normally for one-time things, and I 
have to remember to turn off when I'm done.  Occasionally, I forget, and 
sometimes I see my own messages purporting to have been sent by Firefox.


2) about:config settings .

You can go to about:config, and set general.useragent.override to show 
the string you want to show, but as with above, that sets things 
globally (and permanently).


You can also do site-specific spoofing.  For this, you would want to do 
the same thing, by setting 
general.useragent.override.internet.xfinity.com with the same value. 
That causes spoofing for only that site for browser connections, and 
doesn't touch your mail client.


I do exactly this with the main search page at google.com (where there's 
an annoying display quirk if Google sees a UA string that includes 
"Seamonkey", even if the remainder is a valid Firefox string).  I also 
do that with a couple of financial institutions that are aggressive 
about demanding Firefox. By doing the site-specific spoofing via 
about:config, that allows me to spoof for those sites when I go there, 
and not have to remember to enable/disable.


Smith

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Re: RottenTomatoes.com rejects SeaMonkey even with fake UAs.

[stango]

Ant wrote:
https://www.rottentomatoes.com takes me to 
https://www.rottentomatoes.com/unsupported-browser?err=custom-elements,shadow-dom 
that says "To enjoy RottenTomatoes.com, try using a newer browser like 
Google Chrome, or Mozilla Firefox." I tried changing SeaMonkey v2.53.3's 
UA to Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; Win64; x64; rv:80.0) Gecko/20100101 
Firefox/80.0, but that didn't work. :(


What else to try? Thank you for reading and hopefully answering. :)
They are sniffing the version data in the executable. I edited the 
SeaMonkey.exe file with Hexplorer and changed its internal id to Mozilla 
Firefox 80.0.1 and the web site works fine with 2.53. I do not know if 
there is an addon that will do the same.




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Re: RottenTomatoes.com rejects SeaMonkey even with fake UAs.

[NFN Smith]

Ant wrote:
https://www.rottentomatoes.com takes me to 
https://www.rottentomatoes.com/unsupported-browser?err=custom-elements,shadow-dom 
that says "To enjoy RottenTomatoes.com, try using a newer browser like 
Google Chrome, or Mozilla Firefox." I tried changing SeaMonkey v2.53.3's 
UA to Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; Win64; x64; rv:80.0) Gecko/20100101 
Firefox/80.0, but that didn't work. :(


What else to try? Thank you for reading and hopefully answering. :)



Check the recent thread "More and more sites don't accept Seamonkey". 
That was a discussion that focused on issues with Rottentomatoes.


I did some testing there, and I found that there's no capacity of 
browser spoofing that will get you past their demands for current 
Firefox or Chrome, although I did find that if using NoScript to block 
scripting, I can get through to their content.


I believe that what's happening is that their scripting is explicitly 
checking for the capabilities of the browser itself, rather than simply 
sniffing the UA string.


I know also that I've seen posts from FRG (one of the developers) that 
indicate that there's a lot of stuff that Google is doing with YouTube, 
and where it's becoming increasingly difficult for browsers that are not 
Chrome (or even not Chromium) to keep up, even if Firefox versions at 78 
and later are apparently not a problem.


I don't normally interact with that site, but given that its focus is 
movie reviews, I presume that there's a lot of interaction with YouTube 
streaming, and that's probably the reason for the objection.


Moving forward, it seems that you have two choices:

- If you're just interested in reading the static content (reviews and 
commentary, although probably not the ability to contribute to 
discussion), you can find most of that, if you use NoScript to block the 
site's scripting host, so that it can't query your browser.


- If you want the full capacity of the site, including streaming from 
YouTube, it's not going to be possible in Seamonkey.  That doesn't 
require you to abandon Seamonkey generally, but to interact with that 
particular site, you will need to use a browser that they will accept.



As a general aside, I've seen a number of threads in this newsgroup 
recently that note that people are abandoning Seamonkey, and sometimes, 
the issue is conflict with sites that don't like Seamonkey.  Although 
there are issues there (and sometimes, spoofing is a work-around), 
there's definitely a few sites (as you're seeing with Rotten Tomatoes) 
that it's beyond anything you can do.


However, it doesn't mean that you have to abandon Seamonkey, even if you 
do need to be prepared to make occasional use of another browser.  For 
me, I make extensive use of NoScript, as well as blocking of third-party 
cookies, and there are times when I simply can't tweak settings enough 
to get the site to behave.  I find this to be especially the case with 
some e-commerce sites.


To get around this issue, I keep a Firefox profile that is pretty much 
default settings -- the only tweaks that I have there is to flush all 
user data, cache, history and cookies at the end of a session.  Thus, if 
I can't get a site to work, I'll launch Firefox with that profile to 
facilitate the transaction, and then close out, and resume my regular 
work in Seamonkey.


Smith

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Re: Newsgroup spam

[Edward]

Edward wrote:
In SeaMonkey (probably Thunderbird as well), if you right click the 
subject in the message, one of the options is to delete the message, 
which will delete it from the list.


The spams appear to be posted via Google Groups, but the Groups abuse 
e-mail address no longer works. abuse  google  com does work, 
as I haven't received any bounces from that address, but do not know if 
anyone actually reads the e-mails sent to it, or if they investigate.


...right-click the subject /name in the message list at the top/...

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Newsgroup spam

[Edward]

In SeaMonkey (probably Thunderbird as well), if you right click the 
subject in the message, one of the options is to delete the message, 
which will delete it from the list.


The spams appear to be posted via Google Groups, but the Groups abuse 
e-mail address no longer works. abuse  google  com does work, 
as I haven't received any bounces from that address, but do not know if 
anyone actually reads the e-mails sent to it, or if they investigate.



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Re: RottenTomatoes.com rejects SeaMonkey even with fake UAs.

[Ant]

On 9/3/2020 4:29 AM, Dirk Fieldhouse wrote:

On 9/3/20 5:38 AM, Ant wrote:
https://www.rottentomatoes.com takes me to 
https://www.rottentomatoes.com/unsupported-browser?err=custom-elements,shadow-dom 
that says "To enjoy RottenTomatoes.com, try using a newer browser like 
Google Chrome, or Mozilla Firefox." I tried changing SeaMonkey 
v2.53.3's UA to Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; Win64; x64; rv:80.0) 
Gecko/20100101 Firefox/80.0, but that didn't work. :(


What else to try? Thank you for reading and hopefully answering. :)


custom-elements: FF63+
shadow-dom: FF63+

However, with JS disabled the home page is shown.

The relevant feature detection code is
...
     name: 'custom-elements',
     detect: function () {
   if (!('customElements' in window)) throw new Error('Custom 
elements not supported')

     }
   },
   {
     name: 'shadow-dom',
     detect: function () {
   if (!Boolean(HTMLElement.prototype.attachShadow)) throw new 
Error('Shadow DOM not supported')

     }
   }
...

So one could provide NoScript surrogates to add a customElements 
attribute to window and a dummy attachShadow() to HTMLElement.prototype. 
Who knows how the JS will break then?


Thanks. Disabling JS completely messes up the web site's layout. Haha. 
It's unusable to me. :(

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Re: RottenTomatoes.com rejects SeaMonkey even with fake UAs.

[Ant]

On 9/2/2020 11:35 PM, Don Spam's Reckless Son wrote:

Ant wrote:
https://www.rottentomatoes.com takes me to 
https://www.rottentomatoes.com/unsupported-browser?err=custom-elements,shadow-dom 
that says "To enjoy RottenTomatoes.com, try using a newer browser like 
Google Chrome, or Mozilla Firefox." I tried changing SeaMonkey 
v2.53.3's UA to Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; Win64; x64; rv:80.0) 
Gecko/20100101 Firefox/80.0, but that didn't work. :(


What else to try? Thank you for reading and hopefully answering. :)


How did you change the UA?  "By hand" or did you use that new setting 
which pretends it is Firefox?  I'd go for option 2 and then maybe 
restart the program.


I used PrefBar's UA changer.
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Re: RottenTomatoes.com rejects SeaMonkey even with fake UAs.

[Danny Kile]

Ant wrote:
https://www.rottentomatoes.com takes me to 
https://www.rottentomatoes.com/unsupported-browser?err=custom-elements,shadow-dom 
that says "To enjoy RottenTomatoes.com, try using a newer browser like 
Google Chrome, or Mozilla Firefox." I tried changing SeaMonkey v2.53.3's 
UA to Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; Win64; x64; rv:80.0) Gecko/20100101 
Firefox/80.0, but that didn't work. :(


What else to try? Thank you for reading and hopefully answering. :)


I have tried this with various UA's and with Java Script enable or 
disabled and still get your error message. I tried it with Pale Moon's 
UA and when that did not work I tried the site in the Pale Moon Browser, 
still a no go. I would like to see this resolve because I have lots of 
other site that I am forced to use Chrome or Pale Moon on instead of SM.


Danny,
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Re: RottenTomatoes.com rejects SeaMonkey even with fake UAs.

[Danny Kile]

Ant wrote:
https://www.rottentomatoes.com takes me to 
https://www.rottentomatoes.com/unsupported-browser?err=custom-elements,shadow-dom 
that says "To enjoy RottenTomatoes.com, try using a newer browser like 
Google Chrome, or Mozilla Firefox." I tried changing SeaMonkey v2.53.3's 
UA to Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; Win64; x64; rv:80.0) Gecko/20100101 
Firefox/80.0, but that didn't work. :(


What else to try? Thank you for reading and hopefully answering. :)


I have tried this with various RA's and with Java Script enable or 
disabled and still get you error message. I tried it with Pale Moon's RA 
and when that did not work I tried the site in the Pale Moon Browser, 
still a no go. I would like to see this resolve because I have lots of 
other site that I am forced to use Chrome or Pale Moon on instead of SM.


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Re: RottenTomatoes.com rejects SeaMonkey even with fake UAs.

[Dirk Fieldhouse]

On 9/3/20 5:38 AM, Ant wrote:
https://www.rottentomatoes.com takes me to 
https://www.rottentomatoes.com/unsupported-browser?err=custom-elements,shadow-dom 
that says "To enjoy RottenTomatoes.com, try using a newer browser like 
Google Chrome, or Mozilla Firefox." I tried changing SeaMonkey v2.53.3's 
UA to Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; Win64; x64; rv:80.0) Gecko/20100101 
Firefox/80.0, but that didn't work. :(


What else to try? Thank you for reading and hopefully answering. :)


custom-elements: FF63+
shadow-dom: FF63+

However, with JS disabled the home page is shown.

The relevant feature detection code is
...
name: 'custom-elements',
detect: function () {
  if (!('customElements' in window)) throw new Error('Custom 
elements not supported')

}
  },
  {
name: 'shadow-dom',
detect: function () {
  if (!Boolean(HTMLElement.prototype.attachShadow)) throw new 
Error('Shadow DOM not supported')

}
  }
...

So one could provide NoScript surrogates to add a customElements 
attribute to window and a dummy attachShadow() to HTMLElement.prototype. 
Who knows how the JS will break then?


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Re: RottenTomatoes.com rejects SeaMonkey even with fake UAs.

[Yamo']

Hi,

Ant a tapoté le 03/09/2020 06:38:
> 
> What else to try? Thank you for reading and hopefully answering. :)


Same result.

UA : Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:89.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/89

I'm using the old User Agent Switcher
 on Seamonkey 2.53.3


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