Re: send later?

2013-10-21 Thread Jonathan Kamens
"Paul B. Gallagher"  writes:
>Bryan v. Roache wrote:
>
>> hi, how does the send later adon work? can it send an email even if
>> SeaMonkey is closed? how about if the computer is asleep?

Read the section in the user guide entitled "Thunderbird must
be running for scheduled messages to be sent:

http://blog.kamens.us/send-later/#running

It talks about why this limitation exists and how to work
around it.

(Yes, this section applies to SeaMonkey as well.)

>Note: This is not an add-on, it's an integral part of the SM program. 
>You can't remove it or update it separately, and there's no separate 
>version info.

Indeed. But the OP asked about the add-on, so I'm not really
sure how your answer is particularly relevant.

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/addon/send-later-3/

I do my best to follow this newsgroup and respond to
questions here about the add-on, but most of the traffic here
isn't related to this add-on, obviously, so you're better off
sending me email (my address is posted in the user guide as
well as on the AMO page for the add-on) or writing to the
send-later-users mailing list:

http://groups.google.com/group/send-later-users

Regards,

Jonathan Kamens
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New "Enhanced Priority Display" add-on

2012-05-23 Thread Jonathan Kamens
For your information, my new Thunderbird / Seamonkey add-on,
"Enhanced Priority Display", has just been fully approved on
addons.mozilla.org.

This add-on allows you to do any or all of the following:

* Replace the words in the "Priority" column with icons.
* Mark high-priority messages with italics and a larger font.
* Fade low-priority messages.
* Mark high-priority messages with a red, striped background.
* Mark low-priority messages wotj a blue, striped background.

You can also supply your own icons for the Priority column if
you don't like the ones that are included.

You can search for and download the add-on within Thunderbird
or Seamoney, or get it from here:

https://addons.mozilla.org/thunderbird/addon/enhanced-priority-display/

Feel free to email me if you have any questions.

Enjoy!

  Jonathan Kamens
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Re: New "Enhanced Priority Display" add-on

2012-05-23 Thread Jonathan Kamens
MCBastos  writes:
>Interviewed by CNN on 23/05/2012 17:15, MCBastos told the world:
>
>> Uhhh... while this is a neat UI improvement, do the "priority" flags
>> mean anything nowadays? I see so much misuse of them (*spam* marked
>> "high priority! And some people mark *all* messages "high priority"...)
>> that I simply hide the column. I'm under the impression that mail
>> servers have also ignored these flags for a long, long time...

Thanks to bogofilter and Spamhaus, I see well under 1% of the
spam which people attempt to put into my mailbox, so I don't
really care whether spammers abuse the Priority field.

I don't find that non-spammers abuse it all that much. I
don't think most people "mark *all* messages 'high
priority'," although I agree that those who do are rude.

In short, I find it useful to be able to see the priorities my
correspondents have marked messages with, so I find the
add-on useful. Your mileage may vary, of course.

This is a feature that many people have asked for over the
years here, on MozillaZine, and on GetSatisfaction.com, so
it's clearly something that some people want.

>Jonathan, if you manage to figure out an easy way to CHANGE the priority
>flag of a RECEIVED message, that would be FANTASTICALLY USEFUL!

There's already an add-on that supports this:

https://addons.mozilla.org/thunderbird/addon/priority-switcher/
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Send Later 3 add-on released for SeaMonkey

2012-06-04 Thread Jonathan Kamens
FYI, I've just uploaded to addons.mozilla.org a new beta
release of the Send Later 3 add-on which supports SeaMonkey. 
You can download and try it out from here:

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/addon/send-later-3/versions/4.0beta2

Send Later 3 is a popular Thunderbird add-on (five stars, over
108,000 downloads, over 24,000 users) which allows you to
schedule the time for messages to be sent.

Please try it out and let me know what you think!
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Re: SeaMonkey's send later.

2012-06-10 Thread Jonathan Kamens
Ant  writes:
>Is it me or do some e-mail clients download e-mails that were dated for 
>"send later" and some are dated for "send now"? I noticed my earlier 
>e-mails for "send later" were dated from those times in some specific 
>e-mail clients, but others (e.g., Gmail) get the times that were sent at 
>"Sent Now".

I've read this paragraph several times, and I'm still not sure
I understand what you're asking. Your question may make sense
to you, but the way you've formulated it here seems rather
convoluted.

I *think* you're asking why some email clients show, as the
date of an email message, the date at which it arrived in your
mailbox, whereas other email clients show the date at which
the sender claims to have sent it, which can in some cases
differ significantly from the date when it arrived in your
mailbox.

Is that right?

If not, then please try to explain better what you're asking,
because I don't get it, and I doubt anyone else will either.
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Re: SeaMonkey's send later.

2012-06-11 Thread Jonathan Kamens
"Paul B. Gallagher"  writes:
>We SM users can choose which date to show.
>
>See the column headings over the list of messages? At the far right end, 
>there's a little button you can click to select various columns to 
>display. The "Date" column is the date/time claimed by the sending 
>program, and the "Received" column (in principle) is the date/time it 
>arrived in your mailbox.

Well, sort of.

It doesn't work properly for IMAP mailboxes.

You have to install this add-on (or tweak your preferences
directly in the advanced configuration editor) to make it
work for IMAP:

https://addons.mozilla.org/thunderbird/addon/imap-received-date/

(Yes, it works with SeaMonkey, despite the "thunderbird" in
the URL.)

Also, even with this add-on, if you group your thread pane by
thread, the threads will sort by Date header even if you tell
them to sort by Received header. There's an open bug in
bugzilla about that, though your guess is as good as mine
about when it will be fixed.
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Re: SeaMonkey's send later.

2012-06-11 Thread Jonathan Kamens
Ant  writes:
>Correct, but this is when using "Send Later" in Mozilla's SeaMonkey v2 
>e-mail clients. Try this. Compose a test e-mail to a valid e-mail 
>address that you have access too. Tell SM2 to "Send Later". Wait a few 
>minutes/hours/days/whenever. Note its date and time. Do a "Send Unsent 
>Messages" of it. See the e-mails in the receive end. See its date and 
>time. Either it will be the date and time finished composing and sent 
>later OR at the sent date and time.

Ah. OK, so here's the story...

SeaMonkey (and Thunderbird) fill in the Date header on a
message when you do the File > Send Later command. According
to the RFCs, the Date header is supposed to indicate the
date-time at which the user indicated that the message was
ready to be transported, not the date-time at which the
message actually _is_ transported, so SeaMonkey's behavior is
(in my opinion, and clearly also in the opinion of its
developers ;-) correct.

At the recipient's end, the mail user agent can choose to
display either the date-time in the Date header, or the
date-time when the message was received. Most of the time,
they are within seconds of each other, so it doesn't really
matter which one you look at, but there are three exceptions:

1. A message is delayed en route for one of any number
of reasons.

2. A message is delayed because the user didn't send it right
away, e.g., because he was offline when writing it and didn't
send it until going online later.

3. A message has the wrong date in the Date header, either
because the sender's clock is set improperly on his computer,
or because the sender has inserted an incorrect Date header
on purpose (a frequent occurrence with spam).

Some software displays Date by default but allows the receive
date-time to be displayed instead or in addition; some
software displays the receve date-time by defeault but allows
the Date to be displayed instead or in addition; and some
software displays only one and doesn't allow the other.

The risk of displaying Date instead of Received is if you sort
your inbox by Date and somebody sends you a message with an
incorrect, old Date value, it may get buried earlier in your
inbox and you might miss it. Aside from that, for the vast
majority of users it doesn't make much of a difference which
one is displayed.
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