Re: AOL Help Needed.

2017-10-17 Thread Paul B. Gallagher 

WaltS48 wrote:

On 10/17/17 10:31 PM, Paul Bergsagel wrote:

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:


... The AOHell requirements for POP3 mail are:


Incoming mail server (POP3): pop.verizon.net, port 995, SSL

Outgoing mail server (SMTP): smtp.verizon.net, port 465, SSL

Make sure SSL encryption is enabled for the incoming and
outgoing mail server.


I don't see how to select "SSL encryption" distinctly from
"SSL/TLS," and I'm not sure they are even different.


...

It seems that SSL is the name used for both SSL and TLS. TLS has
superseded SSL. If there are separate settings in SeaMonkey for
SSL and TSL, you might try using TLS.


Well, if you're familiar with SeaMonkey, you would know that the options 
are None, SSL/TLS, and STARTTLS.



Verizon got out of the email hosting business and is migrating or
has migrated all the verizon.net email users over to AOL.


Yes. Users can keep their verizon.net email addresses, but AOHell will 
service them. Some users apparently didn't understand that and now have 
aol.com addresses.



Awhile back Verizon's settings were incoming.verizon.net and
outgoing.verizon.net, which users were informed to change to
pop.verizon.net and smtp.verizon.net. That may be what we are
supposed to check along with everything else.


Well, if you had read my post (quoted by Paul Bergsagel), you would have 
seen my settings:



Current settings:

POP3: pop.verizon.net, port 995, SSL/TLS, normal password
SMTP: smtp.verizon.net, port 465, SSL/TLS, normal password


So I'm doing what they require. I think...

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Re: AOL Help Needed.

2017-10-17 Thread WaltS48 

On 10/17/17 10:31 PM, Paul Bergsagel wrote:

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

I just wrote:


I got the same message as the OP, and it doesn't say you can't use your
current settings, it says you have until Nov. 7 to fix whatever it is
that's bothering them. I've been using my current settings without
trouble since the takeover, and I'm damned if I can see how they don't
comply with AOHell's requirements. Here's my response to them:


From what I can tell, my settings do conform to your requirements.
What is it that you want me to change?

Current settings:

POP3: pop.verizon.net, port 995, SSL/TLS, normal password
SMTP: smtp.verizon.net, port 465, SSL/TLS, normal password

Do you want encrypted passwords?

Or do you have a faulty routine that generates false error messages?


FWIW, I just tried setting the authentication method to "Encrypted
password," and SM reported that the server doesn't seem to support that.
So that's not the answer.

The AOHell requirements for POP3 mail are:


Incoming mail server (POP3): pop.verizon.net, port 995, SSL

Outgoing mail server (SMTP): smtp.verizon.net, port 465, SSL

Make sure SSL encryption is enabled for the incoming and outgoing
mail server.


I don't see how to select "SSL encryption" distinctly from "SSL/TLS,"
and I'm not sure they are even different.

Quoting WIKIPEDIA: "Transport Layer Security (TLS) and its predecessor, 
Secure Sockets Layer (SSL), both frequently referred to as "SSL", are 
cryptographic protocols that provide communications security over a 
computer network.[1] Several versions of the protocols find widespread 
use in applications such as web browsing, email, Internet faxing, 
instant messaging, and voice-over-IP (VoIP). Websites are able to use 
TLS to secure all communications between their servers and web browsers."


It seems that SSL is the name used for both SSL and TLS. TLS has 
superseded SSL. If there are separate settings in SeaMonkey for SSL and 
TSL, you might try using TLS.


(I thought AOL internet was so last century, ;) .)


AOL and now Yahoo are owned by Verizon.

Verizon got out of the email hosting business and is migrating or has 
migrated all the verizon.net email users over to AOL.


Awhile back Verizon's settings were incoming.verizon.net and 
outgoing.verizon.net, which users were informed to change to 
pop.verizon.net and smtp.verizon.net. That may be what we are supposed 
to check along with everything else.


Verizon also didn't offer IMAP email, which now appears to be available 
now that verizon.net mail is hosted on AOL servers.


Next up migrating the AOL and Verizon accounts to Yahoo, or Yahoo 
accounts to AOL ❓❓❓


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Re: AOL Help Needed.

2017-10-17 Thread Paul Bergsagel 

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

I just wrote:


I got the same message as the OP, and it doesn't say you can't use your
current settings, it says you have until Nov. 7 to fix whatever it is
that's bothering them. I've been using my current settings without
trouble since the takeover, and I'm damned if I can see how they don't
comply with AOHell's requirements. Here's my response to them:


From what I can tell, my settings do conform to your requirements.
What is it that you want me to change?

Current settings:

POP3: pop.verizon.net, port 995, SSL/TLS, normal password
SMTP: smtp.verizon.net, port 465, SSL/TLS, normal password

Do you want encrypted passwords?

Or do you have a faulty routine that generates false error messages?


FWIW, I just tried setting the authentication method to "Encrypted
password," and SM reported that the server doesn't seem to support that.
So that's not the answer.

The AOHell requirements for POP3 mail are:


Incoming mail server (POP3): pop.verizon.net, port 995, SSL

Outgoing mail server (SMTP): smtp.verizon.net, port 465, SSL

Make sure SSL encryption is enabled for the incoming and outgoing
mail server.


I don't see how to select "SSL encryption" distinctly from "SSL/TLS,"
and I'm not sure they are even different.

Quoting WIKIPEDIA: "Transport Layer Security (TLS) and its predecessor, 
Secure Sockets Layer (SSL), both frequently referred to as "SSL", are 
cryptographic protocols that provide communications security over a 
computer network.[1] Several versions of the protocols find widespread 
use in applications such as web browsing, email, Internet faxing, 
instant messaging, and voice-over-IP (VoIP). Websites are able to use 
TLS to secure all communications between their servers and web browsers."


It seems that SSL is the name used for both SSL and TLS. TLS has 
superseded SSL. If there are separate settings in SeaMonkey for SSL and 
TSL, you might try using TLS.


(I thought AOL internet was so last century, ;) .)
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Re: AOL Help Needed.

2017-10-15 Thread David E. Ross 
On 10/15/2017 4:54 PM, Frog wrote:
> David E. Ross wrote:
>> On 10/15/2017 2:12 PM, Frog wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> This thing of moving from Verizon to AOL is about to drive me completely
>>> crazy.  I received the following message from AOL and I have no idea how
>>> to make the Sea Monkey and Thunderbird changes that they want me to
>>> make.  Here is a quote of that message-
>>>
>>> We hope you are enjoying your improved email experience since switching
>>> to AOL. We are committed to protecting the privacy and security of our
>>> customers so we're writing to inform you that your current third party
>>> email application is not using the latest, secure mail connection
>>> settings. In order to continue sending and receiving your verizon.net
>>> mail via your third party email application, you must update your
>>> connection settings by November 7, 2017.
>>>
>>>
>>> Please visit our help site for instructions on how to update your settings.
>>>
>>> https://help.aol.com/articles/how-do-i-set-up-other-email-applications-to-send-and-receive-my-verizon-net-mail?ncid=mbr_comdefeml0002
>>>
>>> To avoid having to make changes in the future and to ensure you are
>>> using up-to-date security settings, we recommend that you download the
>>> AOL app or use mail.aol.com to send and receive your AOL Mail.
>>>
>>> For more information, visit our FAQ page.
>>>
>>>
>>> I use Sea Monkey for my mail...and have times I have used Thunderbird
>>> for my mail at times in order to learn this software.  What specifically
>>> do I need to do to make the changes they are requesting?
>>>
>>> Any help sent my way will be greatly appreciated.
>>>
>>> Frog
>>>
>>
>> In the past, AOL required that users install AOL's own E-mail
>> application because AOL's servers did not comply with either IMAP or
>> POP3/SMTP.  This might no longer be the case.  I am not familiar with
>> IMAP setups.  If you are attempting to use POP3/SMTP, however, you might
>> try the following:
>>
>> 1.  Open the Account Settings window.  On the Thunderbird menu bar, that
>> is [Tools > Account Settings].  On the SeaMonkey menu bar, that is
>> [Window > Mail & Newsgroups] and then [Edit > Mail & Newsgroups Account
>> Settings].
>>
>> 2.  On the left side of the Account Settings window, select the mail
>> account in question.  If the account is collapsed, expand it.  (In
>> Thunderbird, that involves selecting the > to make it a v.)
>>
>> 3.  Select Server Settings.
>>
>> 4.  On the Server Settings pane, for "Connection security" (under
>> Security Settings), select SSL/TLS from the selection list.
>>
>> 5.  Go to the bottom of the left side of the Account Settings window.
>> (This might require scrolling down.)  Select Outgoing Server (SMTP).
>>
>> 6.  In the window that lists your E-mail accounts, select the mail
>> account in question and then select the Edit button.
>>
>> 7.  In the SMTP Server window, for "Connection security" (under Security
>> and Authentication), select SSL/TLS from the selection list.
>>
>> 8.  Select the OK buttons to close all the setup windows.
>>
>> If you still have a problem receiving (steps 2-4) or sending (steps 5-7)
>> E-mail, try STARTTLS in place of SSL/TLS.  I have one E-mail account
>> where sending is STARTTLS but receiving is SSL/TLS.  Thus, you should
>> change only the setting for the one direction that remains a problem.
> 
> ---
> 
> Tanks David for coming to my rescue.  I checked all of the settings 
> included in your message and I am not able to send a test message to 
> myself..I get a Log in screen with the statement
> smtp.verizon.net failed.
> 
> Frog

I suggest you call Verizon's tech support.

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Re: AOL Help Needed.

2017-10-15 Thread Frog 

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

David E. Ross wrote:


In the past, AOL required that users install AOL's own E-mail
application because AOL's servers did not comply with either IMAP or
POP3/SMTP. This might no longer be the case.


Correct, they don't.


I am not familiar with IMAP setups. If you are attempting to use
POP3/SMTP, however, you might try the following:

...



I got the same message as the OP, and it doesn't say you can't use your
current settings, it says you have until Nov. 7 to fix whatever it is
that's bothering them. I've been using my current settings without
trouble since the takeover, and I'm damned if I can see how they don't
comply with AOHell's requirements. Here's my response to them:


From what I can tell, my settings do conform to your requirements.
What is it that you want me to change?

Current settings:

POP3: pop.verizon.net, port 995, SSL/TLS, normal password
SMTP: smtp.verizon.net, port 465, SSL/TLS, normal password

Do you want encrypted passwords?

Or do you have a faulty routine that generates false error messages?




Thanks Paul for your help.

I have also been using my original Verizon settings with no sign of 
difficulty.  I interpreted the AOL message as a warning that if I didn't 
do something before Nov 7...my connection with the internet would not 
work.  I sure hope you are right in your interpretation of AOL's 
message.  I know that I will be out of town for some days starting 
tomorrow and I would hate to return to an internet connection does not 
work.

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Re: AOL Help Needed.

2017-10-15 Thread Frog 

David E. Ross wrote:

On 10/15/2017 2:12 PM, Frog wrote:



This thing of moving from Verizon to AOL is about to drive me completely
crazy.  I received the following message from AOL and I have no idea how
to make the Sea Monkey and Thunderbird changes that they want me to
make.  Here is a quote of that message-

We hope you are enjoying your improved email experience since switching
to AOL. We are committed to protecting the privacy and security of our
customers so we're writing to inform you that your current third party
email application is not using the latest, secure mail connection
settings. In order to continue sending and receiving your verizon.net
mail via your third party email application, you must update your
connection settings by November 7, 2017.


Please visit our help site for instructions on how to update your settings.

https://help.aol.com/articles/how-do-i-set-up-other-email-applications-to-send-and-receive-my-verizon-net-mail?ncid=mbr_comdefeml0002

To avoid having to make changes in the future and to ensure you are
using up-to-date security settings, we recommend that you download the
AOL app or use mail.aol.com to send and receive your AOL Mail.

For more information, visit our FAQ page.


I use Sea Monkey for my mail...and have times I have used Thunderbird
for my mail at times in order to learn this software.  What specifically
do I need to do to make the changes they are requesting?

Any help sent my way will be greatly appreciated.

Frog



In the past, AOL required that users install AOL's own E-mail
application because AOL's servers did not comply with either IMAP or
POP3/SMTP.  This might no longer be the case.  I am not familiar with
IMAP setups.  If you are attempting to use POP3/SMTP, however, you might
try the following:

1.  Open the Account Settings window.  On the Thunderbird menu bar, that
is [Tools > Account Settings].  On the SeaMonkey menu bar, that is
[Window > Mail & Newsgroups] and then [Edit > Mail & Newsgroups Account
Settings].

2.  On the left side of the Account Settings window, select the mail
account in question.  If the account is collapsed, expand it.  (In
Thunderbird, that involves selecting the > to make it a v.)

3.  Select Server Settings.

4.  On the Server Settings pane, for "Connection security" (under
Security Settings), select SSL/TLS from the selection list.

5.  Go to the bottom of the left side of the Account Settings window.
(This might require scrolling down.)  Select Outgoing Server (SMTP).

6.  In the window that lists your E-mail accounts, select the mail
account in question and then select the Edit button.

7.  In the SMTP Server window, for "Connection security" (under Security
and Authentication), select SSL/TLS from the selection list.

8.  Select the OK buttons to close all the setup windows.

If you still have a problem receiving (steps 2-4) or sending (steps 5-7)
E-mail, try STARTTLS in place of SSL/TLS.  I have one E-mail account
where sending is STARTTLS but receiving is SSL/TLS.  Thus, you should
change only the setting for the one direction that remains a problem.


---

Tanks David for coming to my rescue.  I checked all of the settings 
included in your message and I am not able to send a test message to 
myself..I get a Log in screen with the statement

smtp.verizon.net failed.

Frog




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Re: AOL Help Needed.

2017-10-15 Thread Paul B. Gallagher 

I just wrote:


I got the same message as the OP, and it doesn't say you can't use your
current settings, it says you have until Nov. 7 to fix whatever it is
that's bothering them. I've been using my current settings without
trouble since the takeover, and I'm damned if I can see how they don't
comply with AOHell's requirements. Here's my response to them:


From what I can tell, my settings do conform to your requirements.
What is it that you want me to change?

Current settings:

POP3: pop.verizon.net, port 995, SSL/TLS, normal password
SMTP: smtp.verizon.net, port 465, SSL/TLS, normal password

Do you want encrypted passwords?

Or do you have a faulty routine that generates false error messages?


FWIW, I just tried setting the authentication method to "Encrypted 
password," and SM reported that the server doesn't seem to support that. 
So that's not the answer.


The AOHell requirements for POP3 mail are:


Incoming mail server (POP3): pop.verizon.net, port 995, SSL

Outgoing mail server (SMTP): smtp.verizon.net, port 465, SSL

Make sure SSL encryption is enabled for the incoming and outgoing
mail server.


I don't see how to select "SSL encryption" distinctly from "SSL/TLS," 
and I'm not sure they are even different.


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Re: AOL Help Needed.

2017-10-15 Thread Paul B. Gallagher 

David E. Ross wrote:


In the past, AOL required that users install AOL's own E-mail
application because AOL's servers did not comply with either IMAP or
POP3/SMTP. This might no longer be the case.


Correct, they don't.


I am not familiar with IMAP setups. If you are attempting to use
POP3/SMTP, however, you might try the following:

...



I got the same message as the OP, and it doesn't say you can't use your 
current settings, it says you have until Nov. 7 to fix whatever it is 
that's bothering them. I've been using my current settings without 
trouble since the takeover, and I'm damned if I can see how they don't 
comply with AOHell's requirements. Here's my response to them:



From what I can tell, my settings do conform to your requirements.
What is it that you want me to change?

Current settings:

POP3: pop.verizon.net, port 995, SSL/TLS, normal password
SMTP: smtp.verizon.net, port 465, SSL/TLS, normal password

Do you want encrypted passwords?

Or do you have a faulty routine that generates false error messages?


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Re: AOL Help Needed.

2017-10-15 Thread Paul in Houston, TX 

Frog wrote:



This thing of moving from Verizon to AOL is about to drive me completely crazy. 
 I
received the following message from AOL and I have no idea how to make the Sea 
Monkey and
Thunderbird changes that they want me to make.  Here is a quote of that message-

We hope you are enjoying your improved email experience since switching to AOL. 
We are
committed to protecting the privacy and security of our customers so we're 
writing to
inform you that your current third party email application is not using the 
latest, secure
mail connection settings. In order to continue sending and receiving your 
verizon.net mail
via your third party email application, you must update your connection 
settings by
November 7, 2017.


Please visit our help site for instructions on how to update your settings.

https://help.aol.com/articles/how-do-i-set-up-other-email-applications-to-send-and-receive-my-verizon-net-mail?ncid=mbr_comdefeml0002


To avoid having to make changes in the future and to ensure you are using 
up-to-date
security settings, we recommend that you download the AOL app or use 
mail.aol.com to send
and receive your AOL Mail.

For more information, visit our FAQ page.


I use Sea Monkey for my mail...and have times I have used Thunderbird for my 
mail at times
in order to learn this software.  What specifically do I need to do to make the 
changes
they are requesting?

Any help sent my way will be greatly appreciated.

Frog


Try the settings listed at the bottom of the link that you provide.

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Re: AOL Help Needed.

2017-10-15 Thread David E. Ross 
On 10/15/2017 2:12 PM, Frog wrote:
> 
> 
> This thing of moving from Verizon to AOL is about to drive me completely 
> crazy.  I received the following message from AOL and I have no idea how 
> to make the Sea Monkey and Thunderbird changes that they want me to 
> make.  Here is a quote of that message-
> 
> We hope you are enjoying your improved email experience since switching 
> to AOL. We are committed to protecting the privacy and security of our 
> customers so we're writing to inform you that your current third party 
> email application is not using the latest, secure mail connection 
> settings. In order to continue sending and receiving your verizon.net 
> mail via your third party email application, you must update your 
> connection settings by November 7, 2017.
> 
> 
> Please visit our help site for instructions on how to update your settings.
> 
> https://help.aol.com/articles/how-do-i-set-up-other-email-applications-to-send-and-receive-my-verizon-net-mail?ncid=mbr_comdefeml0002
> 
> To avoid having to make changes in the future and to ensure you are 
> using up-to-date security settings, we recommend that you download the 
> AOL app or use mail.aol.com to send and receive your AOL Mail.
> 
> For more information, visit our FAQ page.
> 
> 
> I use Sea Monkey for my mail...and have times I have used Thunderbird 
> for my mail at times in order to learn this software.  What specifically 
> do I need to do to make the changes they are requesting?
> 
> Any help sent my way will be greatly appreciated.
> 
> Frog
> 

In the past, AOL required that users install AOL's own E-mail
application because AOL's servers did not comply with either IMAP or
POP3/SMTP.  This might no longer be the case.  I am not familiar with
IMAP setups.  If you are attempting to use POP3/SMTP, however, you might
try the following:

1.  Open the Account Settings window.  On the Thunderbird menu bar, that
is [Tools > Account Settings].  On the SeaMonkey menu bar, that is
[Window > Mail & Newsgroups] and then [Edit > Mail & Newsgroups Account
Settings].

2.  On the left side of the Account Settings window, select the mail
account in question.  If the account is collapsed, expand it.  (In
Thunderbird, that involves selecting the > to make it a v.)

3.  Select Server Settings.

4.  On the Server Settings pane, for "Connection security" (under
Security Settings), select SSL/TLS from the selection list.

5.  Go to the bottom of the left side of the Account Settings window.
(This might require scrolling down.)  Select Outgoing Server (SMTP).

6.  In the window that lists your E-mail accounts, select the mail
account in question and then select the Edit button.

7.  In the SMTP Server window, for "Connection security" (under Security
and Authentication), select SSL/TLS from the selection list.

8.  Select the OK buttons to close all the setup windows.

If you still have a problem receiving (steps 2-4) or sending (steps 5-7)
E-mail, try STARTTLS in place of SSL/TLS.  I have one E-mail account
where sending is STARTTLS but receiving is SSL/TLS.  Thus, you should
change only the setting for the one direction that remains a problem.

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AOL Help Needed.

2017-10-15 Thread Frog 



This thing of moving from Verizon to AOL is about to drive me completely 
crazy.  I received the following message from AOL and I have no idea how 
to make the Sea Monkey and Thunderbird changes that they want me to 
make.  Here is a quote of that message-


We hope you are enjoying your improved email experience since switching 
to AOL. We are committed to protecting the privacy and security of our 
customers so we're writing to inform you that your current third party 
email application is not using the latest, secure mail connection 
settings. In order to continue sending and receiving your verizon.net 
mail via your third party email application, you must update your 
connection settings by November 7, 2017.



Please visit our help site for instructions on how to update your settings.

https://help.aol.com/articles/how-do-i-set-up-other-email-applications-to-send-and-receive-my-verizon-net-mail?ncid=mbr_comdefeml0002

To avoid having to make changes in the future and to ensure you are 
using up-to-date security settings, we recommend that you download the 
AOL app or use mail.aol.com to send and receive your AOL Mail.


For more information, visit our FAQ page.


I use Sea Monkey for my mail...and have times I have used Thunderbird 
for my mail at times in order to learn this software.  What specifically 
do I need to do to make the changes they are requesting?


Any help sent my way will be greatly appreciated.

Frog
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