Re: Do you also plan to go the Australis Way?
On 6/14/13 10:41 AM, MCBastos wrote: Interviewed by CNN on 14/06/2013 10:50, Desiree told the world: That's good news! With Opera self destroying I am reading that a lot of Opera users are choosing Sea Monkey not Fx because Fx is also self destroying...the ones choosing Fx when they leave Opera are choosing the ESR version...but most are discovering SM and liking it. You know, while I deeply lament the demise of the Presto engine, I am a bit fed up with the hyperbole used whenever something dares not to stay the same for ever and ever and EVER: - I have seen it when Seamonkey moved to 2.x, - And again when 2.1 moved bookmarks to Places - I have seen it when Firefox moved to the rapid-release train - I have seen it with *every* release of Windows - And yes, I have seen it even in the (largely positive) changeovers from MacOS 9 to OSX and from PowerPC to Intel. There are ALWAYS people who don't want any change. I haven't tried Australis yet. I understand it changes the way we do a number of things. Some of the changes seem interesting, some of them seem meh. But I don't see anything that would rate as self-destroying. I understand that it will break some extensions, which is annoying. But while changing stuff entails some risks, standing still is a sure way to die. And any extension which is not being actively maintained is a long-term security and stability risk anyway, because any bugs which are discovered are *not* getting fixed. The general attitude is best reflected in this page: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheyChangedItNowItSucks (beware, TV Tropes is a timesink way, WAY worse than Wikipedia or Facebook) The problem is that change merely for the sake of change requires users to relearn how to use the application when they would rather be surfing the Web. -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/ Concerned about someone (e.g., the government) snooping into your E-mail? Use PGP. See my http://www.rossde.com/PGP/ ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Do you also plan to go the Australis Way?
Interviewed by CNN on 14/06/2013 10:50, Desiree told the world: That's good news! With Opera self destroying I am reading that a lot of Opera users are choosing Sea Monkey not Fx because Fx is also self destroying...the ones choosing Fx when they leave Opera are choosing the ESR version...but most are discovering SM and liking it. You know, while I deeply lament the demise of the Presto engine, I am a bit fed up with the hyperbole used whenever something dares not to stay the same for ever and ever and EVER: - I have seen it when Seamonkey moved to 2.x, - And again when 2.1 moved bookmarks to Places - I have seen it when Firefox moved to the rapid-release train - I have seen it with *every* release of Windows - And yes, I have seen it even in the (largely positive) changeovers from MacOS 9 to OSX and from PowerPC to Intel. There are ALWAYS people who don't want any change. I haven't tried Australis yet. I understand it changes the way we do a number of things. Some of the changes seem interesting, some of them seem meh. But I don't see anything that would rate as self-destroying. I understand that it will break some extensions, which is annoying. But while changing stuff entails some risks, standing still is a sure way to die. And any extension which is not being actively maintained is a long-term security and stability risk anyway, because any bugs which are discovered are *not* getting fixed. The general attitude is best reflected in this page: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheyChangedItNowItSucks (beware, TV Tropes is a timesink way, WAY worse than Wikipedia or Facebook) -- MCBastos This message has been protected with the 2ROT13 algorithm. Unauthorized use will be prosecuted under the DMCA. -=-=- ... Sent from my Cray Y-MP. * Added by TagZilla 0.7a1 running on Seamonkey 2.17 * Get it at http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modifiedmailnews.html#tagzilla ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Do you also plan to go the Australis Way?
On 6/14/2013 12:17 AM, Philip Chee wrote: On 14/06/2013 00:04, Roland Haslinger wrote: Hello! Since it seems that Mozilla wants to destroy Firefox with the Simplification UI Plan Australis - Will Seamonkey also follow into that horrible step to dumb down everything? Hopefully you avoid using this codebase, was hoping perhaps i also could use Seamonkey in the near Future if that one would stay Australis free! -- We have no plans to implement Australis. Phil That's good news! With Opera self destroying I am reading that a lot of Opera users are choosing Sea Monkey not Fx because Fx is also self destroying...the ones choosing Fx when they leave Opera are choosing the ESR version...but most are discovering SM and liking it. I would make Sea Monkey default (instead of currently Fx 17 ESR) except Piro's extensions such as Tree Style Tabs do not work in SM. That is ironic since his extensions (as Tabbed Browser Extensions) were first in Mozilla Suite and I used Mozilla Suite as my default browser from 2001 until its demise because of TBE. Since then I have used Fx just to have Piro's extensions. I just wish they were available for SM and then I could forget Fx (already written off Opera that I have used since version 4) but to not have tabs down the left side in tree style is just awful to me. Otherwise, I love Sea Monkey. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Do you also plan to go the Australis Way?
David E. Ross wrote: On 6/14/13 10:41 AM, MCBastos wrote: Interviewed by CNN on 14/06/2013 10:50, Desiree told the world: That's good news! With Opera self destroying I am reading that a lot of Opera users are choosing Sea Monkey not Fx because Fx is also self destroying...the ones choosing Fx when they leave Opera are choosing the ESR version...but most are discovering SM and liking it. You know, while I deeply lament the demise of the Presto engine, I am a bit fed up with the hyperbole used whenever something dares not to stay the same for ever and ever and EVER: - I have seen it when Seamonkey moved to 2.x, - And again when 2.1 moved bookmarks to Places - I have seen it when Firefox moved to the rapid-release train - I have seen it with *every* release of Windows - And yes, I have seen it even in the (largely positive) changeovers from MacOS 9 to OSX and from PowerPC to Intel. There are ALWAYS people who don't want any change. I haven't tried Australis yet. I understand it changes the way we do a number of things. Some of the changes seem interesting, some of them seem meh. But I don't see anything that would rate as self-destroying. I understand that it will break some extensions, which is annoying. But while changing stuff entails some risks, standing still is a sure way to die. And any extension which is not being actively maintained is a long-term security and stability risk anyway, because any bugs which are discovered are *not* getting fixed. The general attitude is best reflected in this page: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheyChangedItNowItSucks (beware, TV Tropes is a timesink way, WAY worse than Wikipedia or Facebook) The problem is that change merely for the sake of change requires users to relearn how to use the application when they would rather be surfing the Web. One of the things I really like about Seamonkey is the menu system. It allows me to configure it to use text drop-down menus -- no ICONS. I spent a lot of time in school learning to read. Text is succinct and unambiguous. No hieroglyphics for me! ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Do you also plan to go the Australis Way?
On 14/06/2013 00:04, Roland Haslinger wrote: Hello! Since it seems that Mozilla wants to destroy Firefox with the Simplification UI Plan Australis - Will Seamonkey also follow into that horrible step to dumb down everything? Hopefully you avoid using this codebase, was hoping perhaps i also could use Seamonkey in the near Future if that one would stay Australis free! Thanks, Haslinger Roland, Austria Wikus Van De Merwe was right - Fookin' Planet!!! -- We have no plans to implement Australis. Phil -- Philip Chee phi...@aleytys.pc.my, philip.c...@gmail.com http://flashblock.mozdev.org/ http://xsidebar.mozdev.org Guard us from the she-wolf and the wolf, and guard us from the thief, oh Night, and so be good for us to pass. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Do you also plan to go the Australis Way?
Hello! Since it seems that Mozilla wants to destroy Firefox with the Simplification UI Plan Australis - Will Seamonkey also follow into that horrible step to dumb down everything? Hopefully you avoid using this codebase, was hoping perhaps i also could use Seamonkey in the near Future if that one would stay Australis free! Thanks, Haslinger Roland, Austria Wikus Van De Merwe was right - Fookin' Planet!!! -- ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
