Password manager question

[Rinaldi J. Montessi]

After so many attempts to enter a site I was once registered to, but not
in Password Manager, the prompt to Remember Password no longer appears.
 I finally remembered the password and want the Manager to remember it.
 How do I wake up the prompt?

I hope that's clear ;-)

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Re: Password manager question

[chicagofan]

Rinaldi J. Montessi wrote:

After so many attempts to enter a site I was once registered to, but not in
Password Manager, the prompt to Remember Password no longer appears. I
finally remembered the password and want the Manager to remember it. How do
I wake up the prompt?

I hope that's clear ;-)



I understand you, but unfortunately can't help.  Have you checked the SM
add-ons.  In an earlier version of SM, I had an add on which added to my menu 
bar
for occasions such as this, to do just what you want.

Hopefully someone will come along with the name, or another suggestion.  :)
bj

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Re: Password manager question

[Rinaldi J. Montessi]

George Carden wrote:
> Rinaldi J. Montessi wrote:
>> After so many attempts to enter a site I was once registered to, but not
>> in Password Manager, the prompt to Remember Password no longer appears.
>>   I finally remembered the password and want the Manager to remember it.
>>   How do I wake up the prompt?
>>
>> I hope that's clear ;-)
>>
> 
> Edit > Preferences > Privacy & Security > Passwords
> 
> Tick the box to "Remember passwords"

Yeah.  Thanks, but that's been done.

What it seems to be is the Manager has a limited try feature.  After X
number of prompts it stops asking to Remember.

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Re: Password manager question

[George Carden]

Rinaldi J. Montessi wrote:

After so many attempts to enter a site I was once registered to, but not
in Password Manager, the prompt to Remember Password no longer appears.
  I finally remembered the password and want the Manager to remember it.
  How do I wake up the prompt?

I hope that's clear ;-)



Edit > Preferences > Privacy & Security > Passwords

Tick the box to "Remember passwords"
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Re: Password manager question

[Rufus]

Rinaldi J. Montessi wrote:

George Carden wrote:

Rinaldi J. Montessi wrote:

After so many attempts to enter a site I was once registered to, but not
in Password Manager, the prompt to Remember Password no longer appears.
  I finally remembered the password and want the Manager to remember it.
  How do I wake up the prompt?

I hope that's clear ;-)


Edit > Preferences > Privacy & Security > Passwords

Tick the box to "Remember passwords"


Yeah.  Thanks, but that's been done.

What it seems to be is the Manager has a limited try feature.  After X
number of prompts it stops asking to Remember.



If you ever told it once not to remember, you need to go to the Password 
Manager->Passwords Never Saved and remove the entry for that site, 
before it will attempt to save it again.


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Re: Password manager question

[Stanimir Stamenkov]

Sun, 18 Apr 2010 09:32:40 -0500, /Rinaldi J. Montessi/:

After so many attempts to enter a site I was once registered to, but 
not in Password Manager, the prompt to Remember Password no longer 
appears.  I finally remembered the password and want the Manager to 
remember it.  How do I wake up the prompt?


Check they haven't changed the form elements to include 
autocomplete="off". Trying the "remember password" bookmarklet (or just 
observing the page source) should give you idea if that's the case:


https://www.squarefree.com/bookmarklets/forms.html#remember_password

If that's not the case you could be seeing Bug 354706 "Logins not filled 
in on XML+XSLT page":


https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=354706

but that's about not pre-filling a remembered password and not for 
giving an option to remember it.


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Re: Password manager question

[David E. Ross]

On 4/18/10 7:32 AM, Rinaldi J. Montessi wrote:
> After so many attempts to enter a site I was once registered to, but not
> in Password Manager, the prompt to Remember Password no longer appears.
>  I finally remembered the password and want the Manager to remember it.
>  How do I wake up the prompt?
> 
> I hope that's clear ;-)
> 

The Password Manager for SeaMonkey 1.x had a preference variable (set
either by going to about:config or by editing user.js) to remember
passwords where the Web site did not want you to remember them.

For SeaMonkey 2.x, there is a new Password Manager that no longer uses
that preference variable.  Thus, it attempts to remember far fewer
passwords.  See bug #425145 at
.  Apparently, the
Password Manager developers believe the desires of browser users are not
as important as the desires of Web site owners.

There is a workaround for this, which can make Password Manager in
SeaMonkey 2.x remember even more passwords than it ever did in SeaMonkey
1.x.  The workaround is described at
.  While that Web
page does not describe the workaround for UNIX or Linux, it should be
the same after you locate your nsLoginManager.js file, which is in a
subdirectory (likely named "components") under the directory where
SeaMonkey is installed.

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Re: Password manager question

[David E. Ross]

On 4/18/10 9:28 AM, David E. Ross wrote:
> On 4/18/10 7:32 AM, Rinaldi J. Montessi wrote:
>> After so many attempts to enter a site I was once registered to, but not
>> in Password Manager, the prompt to Remember Password no longer appears.
>>  I finally remembered the password and want the Manager to remember it.
>>  How do I wake up the prompt?
>>
>> I hope that's clear ;-)
>>
> 
> The Password Manager for SeaMonkey 1.x had a preference variable (set
> either by going to about:config or by editing user.js) to remember
> passwords where the Web site did not want you to remember them.
> 
> For SeaMonkey 2.x, there is a new Password Manager that no longer uses
> that preference variable.  Thus, it attempts to remember far fewer
> passwords.  See bug #425145 at
> .  Apparently, the
> Password Manager developers believe the desires of browser users are not
> as important as the desires of Web site owners.
> 
> There is a workaround for this, which can make Password Manager in
> SeaMonkey 2.x remember even more passwords than it ever did in SeaMonkey
> 1.x.  The workaround is described at
> .  While that Web
> page does not describe the workaround for UNIX or Linux, it should be
> the same after you locate your nsLoginManager.js file, which is in a
> subdirectory (likely named "components") under the directory where
> SeaMonkey is installed.
> 

I almost forgot.  You have to edit nsLoginManager.js again whenever you
install a new version of SeaMonkey unless you do a partial update from a
.mar file that does not change nsLoginManager.js.

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Re: Password manager question

[Rinaldi J. Montessi]

Rufus wrote:
> Rinaldi J. Montessi wrote:
>> George Carden wrote:
>>> Rinaldi J. Montessi wrote:
 After so many attempts to enter a site I was once registered to, but not
 in Password Manager, the prompt to Remember Password no longer appears.
   I finally remembered the password and want the Manager to remember it.
   How do I wake up the prompt?

 I hope that's clear ;-)

>>> Edit > Preferences > Privacy & Security > Passwords
>>>
>>> Tick the box to "Remember passwords"
>> 
>> Yeah.  Thanks, but that's been done.
>> 
>> What it seems to be is the Manager has a limited try feature.  After X
>> number of prompts it stops asking to Remember.
>> 
> 
> If you ever told it once not to remember, you need to go to the Password 
> Manager->Passwords Never Saved and remove the entry for that site, 
> before it will attempt to save it again.

Thank you, but that is not the case.  I repeatedly ignored the prompt to
Remember until it no longer showed.  I did check the never saved listing
just in case.  It was not there.

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Re: Password manager question

[Rinaldi J. Montessi]

Stanimir Stamenkov wrote:
> Sun, 18 Apr 2010 09:32:40 -0500, /Rinaldi J. Montessi/:
> 
>> After so many attempts to enter a site I was once registered to, but 
>> not in Password Manager, the prompt to Remember Password no longer 
>> appears.  I finally remembered the password and want the Manager to 
>> remember it.  How do I wake up the prompt?
> 
> Check they haven't changed the form elements to include 
> autocomplete="off". Trying the "remember password" bookmarklet (or just 
> observing the page source) should give you idea if that's the case:

Thanks.  Good idea but it didn't work.  I've had that bookmarklet since
it first came out and thought perhaps it would toggle something, but no
such luck.

> https://www.squarefree.com/bookmarklets/forms.html#remember_password
> 
> If that's not the case you could be seeing Bug 354706 "Logins not filled 
> in on XML+XSLT page":

It's a (seems to be) pretty standard webmail login page.  It is a cookie
rich environment, however.  I'll see what's up there.

lynx --head --dump http://www.windstream.net/wind/portal/index.aspx

HTTP/1.1 200 OK

Connection: close

Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2010 17:25:24 GMT

Server: Microsoft-IIS/6.0

X-Powered-By: ASP.NET

X-AspNet-Version: 2.0.50727

Set-Cookie:
.ASPXANONYMOUS=-Khc5uTZgwczljswPB89xRsi8wR6CoqVrfZ9806soMkw6aW3LtCwC
6RJDrqwRui1Uyf7RZ5FjPJGZq2BI7ljkpbV932MloEZ42Og6P5R9jc1; expires=Tue,
13-Mar-201
2 04:05:24 GMT; path=/
Set-Cookie: ASP.NET_SessionId=4g0w1ezojxdwawfxwiqlta55; path=/
Set-Cookie:
DomainSession=TransactionId=11e95960bbf54a1ea09400c3c4deca01&Session
Id=f1bd254baad4493eb2e900c3c4deca01&ActionId=24d6ca9b5d714e7ab19700c3c4deca01&Co
okieDomain=.windstream.net; domain=.windstream.net; expires=Sun,
18-Apr-2010 17:
45:24 GMT; path=/
Set-Cookie:
DomainUserProfile=AnonymousId=968c178a97db4523846f00c3c4deca01&LastS
eenDateTime=4/18/2010 5:25:24 PM&IssueDateTime=4/18/2010 5:25:24
PM&CookieDomain
=.windstream.net; domain=.windstream.net; expires=Tue, 25-Mar-2110
17:25:24 GMT;
 path=/
Set-Cookie:
EncryptedSession=JiwiM1dRZ7Eq9KqBEe4Yy2Bmf29ZiT/Lx+PJJ4ntGML/5djWK9l
G1aQ1Zji5BAWaV4BqcjU1RyWOC+O7E1nR8w==; path=/
Cache-Control: private, no-store
Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
Content-Length: 169468
Set-Cookie: mitiktaun=4177696010.20480.; path=/

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Re: Password manager question

[Phillip Jones]

Rinaldi J. Montessi wrote:

George Carden wrote:

Rinaldi J. Montessi wrote:

After so many attempts to enter a site I was once registered to, but not
in Password Manager, the prompt to Remember Password no longer appears.
   I finally remembered the password and want the Manager to remember it.
   How do I wake up the prompt?

I hope that's clear ;-)



Edit>  Preferences>  Privacy&  Security>  Passwords

Tick the box to "Remember passwords"


Yeah.  Thanks, but that's been done.

What it seems to be is the Manager has a limited try feature.  After X
number of prompts it stops asking to Remember.

Always been like that give you three chances and that's it. been that 
way all the way back to SM. 1.0


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Re: Password manager question

[Phillip Jones]

David E. Ross wrote:

On 4/18/10 7:32 AM, Rinaldi J. Montessi wrote:

After so many attempts to enter a site I was once registered to, but not
in Password Manager, the prompt to Remember Password no longer appears.
  I finally remembered the password and want the Manager to remember it.
  How do I wake up the prompt?

I hope that's clear ;-)



The Password Manager for SeaMonkey 1.x had a preference variable (set
either by going to about:config or by editing user.js) to remember
passwords where the Web site did not want you to remember them.

For SeaMonkey 2.x, there is a new Password Manager that no longer uses
that preference variable.  Thus, it attempts to remember far fewer
passwords.  See bug #425145 at
.  Apparently, the
Password Manager developers believe the desires of browser users are not
as important as the desires of Web site owners.

There is a workaround for this, which can make Password Manager in
SeaMonkey 2.x remember even more passwords than it ever did in SeaMonkey
1.x.  The workaround is described at
.  While that Web
page does not describe the workaround for UNIX or Linux, it should be
the same after you locate your nsLoginManager.js file, which is in a
subdirectory (likely named "components") under the directory where
SeaMonkey is installed.

yes but note should be added if you download a complete new version of 
SM/FF and install you have to repeat this change. if you do just the 
incremental upgrade from within SM/FF it doesn't necessarily write over 
it so you need to book mark this page or copy the instructions some 
where for safe keeping


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Re: Password manager question

[Stanimir Stamenkov]

Sun, 18 Apr 2010 12:37:30 -0500, /Rinaldi J. Montessi/:


It's a (seems to be) pretty standard webmail login page.  It is a cookie
rich environment, however.  I'll see what's up there.

lynx --head --dump http://www.windstream.net/wind/portal/index.aspx


I've just tried entering random values for email and password on:

https://www.windstream.net/wind/portal/Login.aspx

and I've got prompt to remember them after clicking on the "Sing-in" 
button.  You may check whether you have not excluded the site from 
remembering at some point:


Password Manager / Passwords Never Saved

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Re: Password manager question

[Rinaldi J. Montessi]

Phillip Jones wrote:
> Rinaldi J. Montessi wrote:
>> George Carden wrote:
>>> Rinaldi J. Montessi wrote:
 After so many attempts to enter a site I was once registered to, but not
 in Password Manager, the prompt to Remember Password no longer appears.
I finally remembered the password and want the Manager to remember it.
How do I wake up the prompt?

 I hope that's clear ;-)

>>>
>>> Edit>  Preferences>  Privacy&  Security>  Passwords
>>>
>>> Tick the box to "Remember passwords"
>>
>> Yeah.  Thanks, but that's been done.
>>
>> What it seems to be is the Manager has a limited try feature.  After X
>> number of prompts it stops asking to Remember.
>>
> Always been like that give you three chances and that's it. been that 
> way all the way back to SM. 1.0

So...  Is there an over ride?

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Re: Password manager question

[Rinaldi J. Montessi]

Stanimir Stamenkov wrote:
> Sun, 18 Apr 2010 12:37:30 -0500, /Rinaldi J. Montessi/:
> 
>> It's a (seems to be) pretty standard webmail login page.  It is a cookie
>> rich environment, however.  I'll see what's up there.
>>
>> lynx --head --dump http://www.windstream.net/wind/portal/index.aspx
> 
> I've just tried entering random values for email and password on:
> 
> https://www.windstream.net/wind/portal/Login.aspx
> 
> and I've got prompt to remember them after clicking on the "Sing-in" 
> button.  You may check whether you have not excluded the site from 
> remembering at some point:
> 
> Password Manager / Passwords Never Saved

Hrumph.  Seems to be a major disconnect between you and Phillip.

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Re: Password manager question

[Phillip Jones]

Rinaldi J. Montessi wrote:

Phillip Jones wrote:

Rinaldi J. Montessi wrote:

George Carden wrote:

Rinaldi J. Montessi wrote:

After so many attempts to enter a site I was once registered to, but not
in Password Manager, the prompt to Remember Password no longer appears.
I finally remembered the password and want the Manager to remember it.
How do I wake up the prompt?

I hope that's clear ;-)



Edit>   Preferences>   Privacy&   Security>   Passwords

Tick the box to "Remember passwords"


Yeah.  Thanks, but that's been done.

What it seems to be is the Manager has a limited try feature.  After X
number of prompts it stops asking to Remember.


Always been like that give you three chances and that's it. been that
way all the way back to SM. 1.0


So...  Is there an over ride?

I've never seen one and I have checked in the suggested preferences. 
After the third time its asked it just forgets about asking.  I've 
always suspected it was a bug. Sometimes when your setting a new 
username and password sometimes you don't type the username or password 
correctly and you might have to try several times. (not a failing of the 
software, a failing of the software between the ears of the operator) if 
you try more than three times it will never ask again.


Of there is or was a difference between SM and FF saving usernames and 
passwords each time you use a combination and choose to remember  in SM 
it saves a copy of that combination. In FireFox it over writes the 
previous. so if you mess up you have to re do it. in SM when you try 
next it will show suggestions of the combination you tried. I like SM 
method the best.


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