Re: Compacting Folders

2020-11-24 Thread  Mr . Ed  via support-seamonkey
On 11/24/2020 2:03 PM, EE wrote:
>  Mr. Ed  wrote:
>> Win 10  Sm 2.53.5.1
>>
>> Noticed that I no longer see the message signifying that the folders are 
>> being
>> compacted.
>> Are they being compacted?
>>
> I am seeing that in the status bar.
>
OK - Reinstalled and problem no longer persists. 

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Re: Compacting Folders

2020-11-24 Thread Ant

On 11/24/2020 11:03 AM, EE wrote:

 Mr. Ed  wrote:

Win 10  Sm 2.53.5.1

Noticed that I no longer see the message signifying that the folders 
are being

compacted.
Are they being compacted?


I am seeing that in the status bar.


Ditto when I do a manual compact in my SM v2.53.5.1 in my decade old, 
updated 64-bit W7 HPE SP1 PC.

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Re: Compacting Folders

2020-11-24 Thread EE

 Mr. Ed  wrote:

Win 10  Sm 2.53.5.1

Noticed that I no longer see the message signifying that the folders are being
compacted.
Are they being compacted?


I am seeing that in the status bar.

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Re: Compacting folders

2016-02-08 Thread Daniel

On 8/02/2016 9:38 PM, Daniel wrote:

On 8/02/2016 4:12 AM, Ed Mullen wrote:

When I select an email account and choose File - Compact folders I get
an error message: Some folders [mentions some folders] cannot be
compacted because there is not enough free disk space ...  The profile
drive has 200 Gb of free space.  The error occurs deep into the
compaction, the folders mentioned are sub-folders of a first-level
folder.

Any thoughts?



I suppose if you are moving/storing e-mails in these sun-folders, then I
suppose it is highly unlikely that Windows have their properties set as
"Read Only", but you never know. Have you checked??


s/sun-folders/sub-folders

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Re: Compacting folders

2016-02-08 Thread Daniel

On 8/02/2016 4:12 AM, Ed Mullen wrote:

When I select an email account and choose File - Compact folders I get
an error message: Some folders [mentions some folders] cannot be
compacted because there is not enough free disk space ...  The profile
drive has 200 Gb of free space.  The error occurs deep into the
compaction, the folders mentioned are sub-folders of a first-level folder.

Any thoughts?


I suppose if you are moving/storing e-mails in these sun-folders, then I 
suppose it is highly unlikely that Windows have their properties set as 
"Read Only", but you never know. Have you checked??


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Re: Compacting folders

2016-02-07 Thread Rick Merrill

On 2/7/2016 12:12 PM, Ed Mullen wrote:

When I select an email account and choose File - Compact folders I get
an error message: Some folders [mentions some folders] cannot be
compacted because there is not enough free disk space ...  The profile
drive has 200 Gb of free space.  The error occurs deep into the
compaction, the folders mentioned are sub-folders of a first-level folder.

Any thoughts?




Did you run CCleaner first?
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Re: Compacting folders caused huge loss of email

2014-11-19 Thread NFN Smith

Ed Mullen wrote:

Finally, I closed SeaMonkey, did a search for *.msf, and deleted every
msf file found.  Restarted and all seems to be okay now.  Weird.


It's been a long time since I've seen it happen, but sometimes, index 
files get corrupted, and the effect is that it appears that mail has 
been lost/deleted.


If compressing the folder in question doesn't work, then deleting the 
appropriate .MSF forces a complete rebuild of the index from scratch. 
Although going this route is something of a last gasp thing, I've 
never seen that not work for me.


Smith

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Re: Compacting folders caused huge loss of email

2014-11-19 Thread Ed Mullen

NFN Smith wrote on 11/19/2014 11:57 AM:

Ed Mullen wrote:

Finally, I closed SeaMonkey, did a search for *.msf, and deleted every
msf file found.  Restarted and all seems to be okay now.  Weird.


It's been a long time since I've seen it happen, but sometimes, index
files get corrupted, and the effect is that it appears that mail has
been lost/deleted.

If compressing the folder in question doesn't work, then deleting the
appropriate .MSF forces a complete rebuild of the index from scratch.
Although going this route is something of a last gasp thing, I've
never seen that not work for me.

Smith



Yep, since killing all the .msf files I haven't sen the issue.  Still, 
it's disconcerting to click through, say, messages in a folder called 
Bob and see nothing but messages about Your natural gas bill.  Weird!


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Re: Compacting folders caused huge loss of email

2014-11-19 Thread Ed Mullen

Ed Mullen wrote on 11/19/2014 10:12 PM:

NFN Smith wrote on 11/19/2014 11:57 AM:

Ed Mullen wrote:

Finally, I closed SeaMonkey, did a search for *.msf, and deleted every
msf file found.  Restarted and all seems to be okay now.  Weird.


It's been a long time since I've seen it happen, but sometimes, index
files get corrupted, and the effect is that it appears that mail has
been lost/deleted.

If compressing the folder in question doesn't work, then deleting the
appropriate .MSF forces a complete rebuild of the index from scratch.
Although going this route is something of a last gasp thing, I've
never seen that not work for me.

Smith



Yep, since killing all the .msf files I haven't sen the issue.  Still,
it's disconcerting to click through, say, messages in a folder called
Bob and see nothing but messages about Your natural gas bill.  Weird!



Which makes me think there is fundamentally something wrong with Mozilla 
file handling.  I mean, Microsoft handles files well.  Office.  Windows. 
 I've never had an issue with them.  But all this mbox stuff? Fraught 
with peril.  Seems like someone decided to invent a better mousetrap and 
failed.


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Re: Compacting folders caused huge loss of email

2014-11-18 Thread Daniel

On 18/11/2014 7:40 AM, jtkirkatstarb...@gmail.com wrote:

Recently, I noticed when I click on a msg in any of my folders the body is 
neither of the same date as shown in the listing, nor is the content what the 
subject is about as shown in the listing.  As a matter of fact, I can't really 
find any msg received or sent because the subjects and dates in the listing are 
not the subjects or dates of the actual msg. I suspect there is is something 
wrong with the compacting/decompacting algorithm.

Does anyone know how to recover my email folders?

Just FYI, when SM talks about compacting files, it's not like what might 
happen in backing up your data.


In SM, say you receive five e-mails, one, two, three, four and five. 
Maybe three is spam, so you delete it. Maybe two is from your daughter, 
so you move it into the Family folder. And maybe Five is from your 
Boss, so you move it into the Work folder.


Your Inbox still contains all five messages, just it will only show you 
two, messages One and Four. The other three are still in your Inbox 
file, just a bit has been changed in each deleted/moved messages header 
information to make it invisible. After some time, there can be quite a 
bit of disk space unused in the inbox. To reclaim this space, 
File-Empty Trash then File-Compact Folders.


If you are worried about losing e-mail, before you do as I suggest 
above, close SeaMonkey and copy your Inbox to somewhere else on your HD.


To sort out your misaligned Subjects and messages, try closing SM and 
deleting your inbox.msf file ( *not the inbox (without the suffix) file* 
as it contains your e-mails). When you re-start SM and select your 
inbox, and a new .msf file will be created.


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Re: Compacting folders caused huge loss of email

2014-11-18 Thread Mason83
On 17/11/2014 22:09, Paul B. Gallagher wrote:
 jtkirkatstarb...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Recently, I noticed when I click on a msg in any of my folders the
 body is neither of the same date as shown in the listing, nor is the
 content what the subject is about as shown in the listing.  As a
 matter of fact, I can't really find any msg received or sent because
 the subjects and dates in the listing are not the subjects or dates
 of the actual msg. I suspect there is is something wrong with the
 compacting/decompacting algorithm.

 Does anyone know how to recover my email folders?
 
 As far as compacting is concerned, what's done is done. The only way to 
 recover the previous state is if you can restore from a backup. One of 
 the first lessons I learned about computing, back in 1985, was if you 
 love me, back me up.
 
 But you may have some luck if you find your profile folder and (with 
 SeaMonkey closed) delete all the *.msf files. These are index files (the 
 message content is stored separately) and will be rebuilt the next time 
 you start SeaMonkey. They sometimes get corrupted and produce strange 
 results like yours.

I think there is UI to delete/recreate the msf file:
Right click on the folder, choose Properties
Then Repair Folder
Works for IMAP and newsgroups, probably POP too.

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Re: Compacting folders caused huge loss of email

2014-11-18 Thread Ed Mullen

Mason83 wrote on 11/18/2014 2:58 PM:

On 17/11/2014 22:09, Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

jtkirkatstarb...@gmail.com wrote:


Recently, I noticed when I click on a msg in any of my folders the
body is neither of the same date as shown in the listing, nor is the
content what the subject is about as shown in the listing.  As a
matter of fact, I can't really find any msg received or sent because
the subjects and dates in the listing are not the subjects or dates
of the actual msg. I suspect there is is something wrong with the
compacting/decompacting algorithm.

Does anyone know how to recover my email folders?


As far as compacting is concerned, what's done is done. The only way to
recover the previous state is if you can restore from a backup. One of
the first lessons I learned about computing, back in 1985, was if you
love me, back me up.

But you may have some luck if you find your profile folder and (with
SeaMonkey closed) delete all the *.msf files. These are index files (the
message content is stored separately) and will be rebuilt the next time
you start SeaMonkey. They sometimes get corrupted and produce strange
results like yours.


I think there is UI to delete/recreate the msf file:
Right click on the folder, choose Properties
Then Repair Folder
Works for IMAP and newsgroups, probably POP too.

Regards.



There is that indeed.  However, I recently have had an issue with 
messages being displayed incorrectly.  Hard to depict.  I click on a 
message in a folder and the content displayed is of a message in a 
folder above the one I'm in.  If I do the Repair Folder that fixes it. 
But when I then drill down through other folders it keeps happening.


Finally, I closed SeaMonkey, did a search for *.msf, and deleted every 
msf file found.  Restarted and all seems to be okay now.  Weird.



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Re: Compacting folders caused huge loss of email

2014-11-17 Thread Paul B. Gallagher

jtkirkatstarb...@gmail.com wrote:


Recently, I noticed when I click on a msg in any of my folders the
body is neither of the same date as shown in the listing, nor is the
content what the subject is about as shown in the listing.  As a
matter of fact, I can't really find any msg received or sent because
the subjects and dates in the listing are not the subjects or dates
of the actual msg. I suspect there is is something wrong with the
compacting/decompacting algorithm.

Does anyone know how to recover my email folders?


As far as compacting is concerned, what's done is done. The only way to 
recover the previous state is if you can restore from a backup. One of 
the first lessons I learned about computing, back in 1985, was if you 
love me, back me up.


But you may have some luck if you find your profile folder and (with 
SeaMonkey closed) delete all the *.msf files. These are index files (the 
message content is stored separately) and will be rebuilt the next time 
you start SeaMonkey. They sometimes get corrupted and produce strange 
results like yours.


Example:

My folder on Windows 7,
C:\Users\MyWindowsUserName\AppData\Roaming\Mozilla\SeaMonkey\Profiles\.default\Mail\mail.mydomainname.com\, 
contains the files Inbox (which holds the messages) and Inbox.msf (which 
holds the index for Inbox).


In this example, the words MyWindowsUserName, , and 
mail.mydomainname.com will vary from user to user, computer to 
computer, and account to account. The rest of the path may also vary 
depending on your operating system.


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Re: Compacting folders, asks repeatedly; Bug? (Mac)

2012-09-15 Thread Jens Hatlak

Geoff Welsh wrote:

OSX 10.6.8, SM 2.12.1

In Mail, it asks me if I want to Compact Folders several times a day.
I said yes the first few times, but this is getting really annoying.


You can configure the threshold (for all mail folders combined) or 
disable automatic compaction of folders altogether in Preferences, Mail 
 Newsgroups, Network  Storage, Disk Space.



Is this a Bug anyone knows about?


It's not a bug, it's a feature.


Is there some setting that got changed during an update?


Automatic compaction was enabled by default with SM 2.1 (bug 437657). So 
unless you recently upgraded from SM 2.0 or earlier, this is not the 
reason for what you're experiencing.


HTH

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Re: Compacting folders, asks repeatedly; Bug? (Mac)

2012-09-15 Thread Daniel

Geoff Welsh wrote:

OSX 10.6.8, SM 2.12.1

In Mail, it asks me if I want to Compact Folders several times a day.
I said yes the first few times, but this is getting really annoying.

Is this a Bug anyone knows about?  Is there some setting that got
changed during an update?

thanks!
GW


Geoff, have a look at your Disk Space setting at Edit-Preferences-Mail 
 Newsgroups-Network  Storage (Note: Win  Linux setting...should be 
similar in Mac!!).


Increase the setting to reduce the frequency of SM asking you.

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Re: Compacting folders, asks repeatedly; Bug? (Mac)

2012-09-15 Thread Geoff Welsh

Jens Hatlak wrote:

Geoff Welsh wrote:

OSX 10.6.8, SM 2.12.1

In Mail, it asks me if I want to Compact Folders several times a day.
I said yes the first few times, but this is getting really annoying.


You can configure the threshold (for all mail folders combined) or
disable automatic compaction of folders altogether in Preferences, Mail
 Newsgroups, Network  Storage, Disk Space.



thanks Jens.
I have set it all the way up to 500MB and it still keeps asking me 
repeatably.  That's bigger than my hard drive, btw,  Doesn't that mean 
something is wrong?
I will obviously have to turn off the Automatic feature, because in my 
case, either SM 2.11, or SM 2.12 broke it.


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Re: Compacting folders, asks repeatedly; Bug? (Mac)

2012-09-15 Thread Geoff Welsh

Daniel wrote:

Geoff Welsh wrote:

OSX 10.6.8, SM 2.12.1

In Mail, it asks me if I want to Compact Folders several times a day.
I said yes the first few times, but this is getting really annoying.

Is this a Bug anyone knows about?  Is there some setting that got
changed during an update?

thanks!
GW


Geoff, have a look at your Disk Space setting at Edit-Preferences-Mail
 Newsgroups-Network  Storage (Note: Win  Linux setting...should be
similar in Mac!!).

Increase the setting to reduce the frequency of SM asking you.


Hi Daniel,
As you may have noticed in my post to Jens, I have it set bigger than my 
hard drive, and it still keeps asking me repeatedly.

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Re: Compacting folders, asks repeatedly; Bug? (Mac)

2012-09-15 Thread Geoff Welsh

whoops, sorry to both Jens and Daniel,

I can't see very well and was confusing GB and MB

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Re: Compacting folders, asks repeatedly; Bug? (Mac)

2012-09-15 Thread Redhat71

Geoff Welsh wrote:

OSX 10.6.8, SM 2.12.1

In Mail, it asks me if I want to Compact Folders several times a day.
I said yes the first few times, but this is getting really annoying.

Is this a Bug anyone knows about?  Is there some setting that got
changed during an update?

thanks!
GW


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Re: Compacting folders, asks repeatedly; Bug? (Mac)

2012-09-15 Thread Daniel

Geoff Welsh wrote:

whoops, sorry to both Jens and Daniel,

I can't see very well and was confusing GB and MB

GW


When reading your reply's to Jens and myself, I was wondering if/how it 
was possible to set the setting to larger than the total available memory!!


Glad you solved the problem.

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Re: Compacting folders, asks repeatedly; Bug? (Mac)

2012-09-15 Thread MCBastos
Interviewed by CNN on 15/09/2012 09:31, Geoff Welsh told the world:

 I have set it all the way up to 500MB and it still keeps asking me 
 repeatably.  That's bigger than my hard drive, btw,  Doesn't that mean 
 something is wrong?

Uhhh... while 500 Mb is undoubtedly a big threshold for compacting
folders, and yes, if it still asks for compacting there might be
something wrong...

...I very much doubt that it's bigger than your hard drive. Even
cellphones have more storage capacity than that nowadays. I think you
are confusing _mega_bytes with _giga_bytes.


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Re: Compacting folders, asks repeatedly; Bug? (Mac)

2012-09-15 Thread Rufus

Geoff Welsh wrote:

OSX 10.6.8, SM 2.12.1

In Mail, it asks me if I want to Compact Folders several times a day.
I said yes the first few times, but this is getting really annoying.

Is this a Bug anyone knows about?  Is there some setting that got
changed during an update?

thanks!
GW


I use SM on my Macs and I have my Pref set to ask to Compact when it 
will save 10 MB...and I about *never* get prompted to Compact Folders, 
not even after update to 2.12.1.


What I would look at is your settings for your individual Accounts for 
Synchronization and Storage - I keep only the most recent 300 messages 
and remove bodies from messages more than 1 day old.  I also have my 
Trash set to empty on exit, and automatically remove Junk after one day.


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Re: Compacting folders, asks repeatedly; Bug? (Mac)

2012-09-15 Thread Geoff Welsh

Rufus wrote:

Geoff Welsh wrote:

OSX 10.6.8, SM 2.12.1

In Mail, it asks me if I want to Compact Folders several times a day.
I said yes the first few times, but this is getting really annoying.

... Is there some setting ..


I use SM on my Macs and I have my Pref set to ask to Compact when it
will save 10 MB...and I about *never* get prompted to Compact Folders,
not even after update to 2.12.1.

What I would look at is your settings for your individual Accounts for
Synchronization and Storage - I keep only the most recent 300 messages
and remove bodies from messages more than 1 day old.  I also have my
Trash set to empty on exit, and automatically remove Junk after one day.


Thanks Rufus.
I see now the Synchronization and Storage for my News account, and the 
equivalent Disk Space setting for my two mail accounts.


When it says delete after   days;  I hope that just means, 
delete from the Trash folder.


Is that correct?
GW
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Re: Compacting folders, asks repeatedly; Bug? (Mac)

2012-09-15 Thread Rufus

Geoff Welsh wrote:

Rufus wrote:

Geoff Welsh wrote:

OSX 10.6.8, SM 2.12.1

In Mail, it asks me if I want to Compact Folders several times a day.
I said yes the first few times, but this is getting really annoying.

... Is there some setting ..


I use SM on my Macs and I have my Pref set to ask to Compact when it
will save 10 MB...and I about *never* get prompted to Compact Folders,
not even after update to 2.12.1.

What I would look at is your settings for your individual Accounts for
Synchronization and Storage - I keep only the most recent 300 messages
and remove bodies from messages more than 1 day old.  I also have my
Trash set to empty on exit, and automatically remove Junk after one day.


Thanks Rufus.
I see now the Synchronization and Storage for my News account, and the
equivalent Disk Space setting for my two mail accounts.

When it says delete after   days;  I hope that just means,
delete from the Trash folder.

Is that correct?
GW


I think that means expired headers/message bodies from subscribed 
Newsgroups - at least for Newsgroups.  As I set my prefs to empty Trash 
on exit I never have anything remaining in my Trash to compare and be 
certain of that though; the same may be true for Mail.  For my Mail 
Account I have the Pref set to never delete any messages so I'd think 
that I have to delete messages and empty Trash manually, which is what I 
want.


The more I learn about what really happens with Compact Folder(s) the 
more I really wish there was just a pref setting for Compact all 
Folders on Exit and be done with the automatic requests altogether.


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Re: Compacting folders

2011-03-02 Thread cyberzen

Ray_Net a écrit :

cyberzen wrote:

George Carden a écrit :

Rick Merrill wrote:

cyberzen wrote:

Jens Hatlak a écrit :

George Carden wrote:

Is it necessary to compact folders of IMAP accounts?


Usually yes, since messages are only marked as deleted until the
folder
is compacted (expunged).

HTH

Jens



is it accurate ?

http://kb.mozillazine.org/Compacting_folders


yes, as far as it goes.


Very interesting, and helpful, everyone! Thanks!

you're welcome
as I could not compact correctly an inbox folder, I closed totally
seamonkey, then deleted both files inbox and inbox.msf (better save them
elsewhere)
restarted SM, and when I open this account, SM downloaded the whole
messages from the server, the inbox size was divided by 3




as I could not compact correctly an inbox folder what was the problem ?

I tried right clic on the folder, compact, with apparently no effect.
more, size report is not accurate as it has been in the past, why ?
sometimes the size is ok, sometimes not
that's why I examined it in a file manager
in fact imap is kind of mystery
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Re: Compacting folders

2011-03-01 Thread cyberzen

George Carden a écrit :

Is it necessary to compact folders of IMAP accounts?

Thanks,
George


check first the properties of the folder, if it is not set for off line 
use, maybe it is not at all on your side, but only on server side


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Re: Compacting folders

2011-03-01 Thread cyberzen

Jens Hatlak a écrit :

George Carden wrote:

Is it necessary to compact folders of IMAP accounts?


Usually yes, since messages are only marked as deleted until the folder
is compacted (expunged).

HTH

Jens



is it accurate ?

http://kb.mozillazine.org/Compacting_folders
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Re: Compacting folders

2011-03-01 Thread Rick Merrill

cyberzen wrote:

Jens Hatlak a écrit :

George Carden wrote:

Is it necessary to compact folders of IMAP accounts?


Usually yes, since messages are only marked as deleted until the folder
is compacted (expunged).

HTH

Jens



is it accurate ?

http://kb.mozillazine.org/Compacting_folders


yes, as far as it goes.

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Re: Compacting folders

2011-03-01 Thread George Carden

Rick Merrill wrote:

cyberzen wrote:

Jens Hatlak a écrit :

George Carden wrote:

Is it necessary to compact folders of IMAP accounts?


Usually yes, since messages are only marked as deleted until the folder
is compacted (expunged).

HTH

Jens



is it accurate ?

http://kb.mozillazine.org/Compacting_folders


yes, as far as it goes.


Very interesting, and helpful, everyone! Thanks!
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Re: Compacting folders

2011-03-01 Thread cyberzen

George Carden a écrit :

Rick Merrill wrote:

cyberzen wrote:

Jens Hatlak a écrit :

George Carden wrote:

Is it necessary to compact folders of IMAP accounts?


Usually yes, since messages are only marked as deleted until the folder
is compacted (expunged).

HTH

Jens



is it accurate ?

http://kb.mozillazine.org/Compacting_folders


yes, as far as it goes.


Very interesting, and helpful, everyone! Thanks!

you're welcome
as I could not compact correctly an inbox folder, I closed totally 
seamonkey, then deleted both files inbox and inbox.msf (better save them 
elsewhere)
restarted SM, and when I open this account, SM downloaded the whole 
messages from the server, the inbox size was divided by 3



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Re: Compacting folders

2011-03-01 Thread Ray_Net

cyberzen wrote:

George Carden a écrit :

Rick Merrill wrote:

cyberzen wrote:

Jens Hatlak a écrit :

George Carden wrote:

Is it necessary to compact folders of IMAP accounts?


Usually yes, since messages are only marked as deleted until the
folder
is compacted (expunged).

HTH

Jens



is it accurate ?

http://kb.mozillazine.org/Compacting_folders


yes, as far as it goes.


Very interesting, and helpful, everyone! Thanks!

you're welcome
as I could not compact correctly an inbox folder, I closed totally
seamonkey, then deleted both files inbox and inbox.msf (better save them
elsewhere)
restarted SM, and when I open this account, SM downloaded the whole
messages from the server, the inbox size was divided by 3




as I could not compact correctly an inbox folder what was the problem ?
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Re: Compacting folders

2011-02-28 Thread Jens Hatlak

George Carden wrote:

Is it necessary to compact folders of IMAP accounts?


Usually yes, since messages are only marked as deleted until the folder 
is compacted (expunged).


HTH

Jens

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