Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - The Modern Internet Suite is Here!

[Jens Hatlak]

Jeff Wieland wrote:

$ /opt/seamonkey/seamonkey/seamonkey --version
Mozilla SeaMonkey 2.1a1pre, Copyright (c) 1998-2009 mozilla.org

I'm wondering if I'm downloading the wrong tarball? I just
redownloaded it to check -- what I'm downloading is

http://releases.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/seamonkey/releases/2.0/source/seamonkey-2.0.source.tar.bz2


I downloaded that file and checked the contents (too lazy to build it 
now). The relevant file is mozilla/config/milestone.txt. It determines 
the Gecko version and the SeaMonkey version (through suite/confvars.sh 
which then selects either suite/config/version-191.txt or 
suite/config/version.txt). Since milestone.txt contains "1.9.1.4" 
confvars.sh should choose version-191.txt which contains "2.0".


Please check that the two files mentioned above contain the same numbers 
for you.


How did you set up your build? Using "configure" or the recommended 
"make -f client.mk"?


HTH

Jens

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Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - The Modern Internet Suite is Here!

[Jeff Wieland]

I've been working on compiling Seamonkey 2.0 on SPARC Solaris 10.  By
building various GTK+ related pieces, I've been able to actually get
it to compile.  Running it is another story, so far all I'm getting
are core dumps.  But, I did notice the following:

$ /opt/seamonkey/seamonkey/seamonkey --version
Mozilla SeaMonkey 2.1a1pre, Copyright (c) 1998-2009 mozilla.org

I'm wondering if I'm downloading the wrong tarball?  I just
redownloaded it to check -- what I'm downloading is

http://releases.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/seamonkey/releases/2.0/source/seamonkey-2.0.source.tar.bz2
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Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - The Modern Internet Suite is Here!

[NoOp]

On 11/03/2009 10:45 AM, Jeff Wieland wrote:
> I've been working on compiling Seamonkey 2.0 on SPARC Solaris 10.  By
> building various GTK+ related pieces, I've been able to actually get
> it to compile.  Running it is another story, so far all I'm getting
> are core dumps.  But, I did notice the following:
> 
> $ /opt/seamonkey/seamonkey/seamonkey --version
> Mozilla SeaMonkey 2.1a1pre, Copyright (c) 1998-2009 mozilla.org
> 
> I'm wondering if I'm downloading the wrong tarball?  I just
> redownloaded it to check -- what I'm downloading is
> 
> http://releases.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/seamonkey/releases/2.0/source/seamonkey-2.0.source.tar.bz2

Have a look at this one:


Note: I've not downloaded to check just yet, but I believe that was the
one that was used to build the final 2.0. If not Jens or Barry, et al
will step in and advise otherwise.
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Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - The Modern Internet Suite is Here!

[Philip Chee]

On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 16:36:49 +0100, Robert Kaiser wrote:
> Chris Ilias schrieb:
>> Okay, here's how to use about:crashes to assess the cause of a crash:
> 
> Now I'd love to have a support website where we could make sure this is 
> copied and pasted to... ;-)

Most of it is already here:

I think only points 4 and 5 need to be added.

Phil

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Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - The Modern Internet Suite is Here!

[Robert Kaiser]

Chris Ilias schrieb:

Okay, here's how to use about:crashes to assess the cause of a crash:


Now I'd love to have a support website where we could make sure this is 
copied and pasted to... ;-)


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Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - The Modern Internet Suite is Here!

[Phillip Jones]

Chris Ilias wrote:

On 09-10-30 11:34 PM, Phillip Jones wrote:

here is the item in the last crash:



Okay, here's how to use about:crashes to assess the cause of a crash:

1. In the SeaMonkey browser, type about:crashes in the location bar, and
press. A page displaying your crash reports will appear.

2. Each crash report is a link, so click the crash report you want to
investigate. This will take to a URL starting with
"http://crash-stats.mozilla.com/..."; It may take some time for your
report to be processed.

3. In your crash report, copy the crash "Signature". You can find it at
the top, just underneath the ID.

4. Go to, and
paste the crash signature in the summary. Deselect everything under
"Resolution:" and click [Search]. You should get a list of bugs for that
crash signature.
NOTE: In most cases, there is already a link to related bugs in the
crash report. For example, see
.

5. Read the comments in the bug. Some of it may not be useful, but
sometimes there's very useful info. For instance,
  says the crash for
that bug is caused by Google Talk.



Your crash:
The signature for your latest crash report is
imgLoader::RemoveFromCache(imgCacheEntry*) . Unfortunately, searching
bugzilla does not turn up much for that crash sig. The only bug with
that crash sig is.
It was marked as a dupe of
. Both bugs don't
give much info, and it looks like the original bug may need to be re-opened.

What you can tell is that it is not caused by a plugin or extension. I'm
*guessing* that it's a javascript issue (which makes sense, given that
JS engine in SM2 is completely different). If you continue to get this
crash, one thing you could try is setting the pref
|javascript.options.jit.chrome| to false.
If that doesn't fix it, try setting |javascript.options.jit.content| to
false.

Hey Chris Type in the Crash Signature and hit return it same back zarror 
bugs found I did send it.


here is the number bp-4a35ff2f-41ee-4e1e-8a8f-e0cc12091029  

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Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - The Modern Internet Suite is Here!

[Chris Ilias]

On 09-10-30 11:34 PM, Phillip Jones wrote:

here is the item in the last crash:



Okay, here's how to use about:crashes to assess the cause of a crash:

1. In the SeaMonkey browser, type about:crashes in the location bar, and 
press . A page displaying your crash reports will appear.


2. Each crash report is a link, so click the crash report you want to 
investigate. This will take to a URL starting with 
"http://crash-stats.mozilla.com/..."; It may take some time for your 
report to be processed.


3. In your crash report, copy the crash "Signature". You can find it at 
the top, just underneath the ID.


4. Go to , and 
paste the crash signature in the summary. Deselect everything under 
"Resolution:" and click [Search]. You should get a list of bugs for that 
crash signature.
NOTE: In most cases, there is already a link to related bugs in the 
crash report. For example, see 
.


5. Read the comments in the bug. Some of it may not be useful, but 
sometimes there's very useful info. For instance, 
 says the crash for 
that bug is caused by Google Talk.




Your crash:
The signature for your latest crash report is 
imgLoader::RemoveFromCache(imgCacheEntry*) . Unfortunately, searching 
bugzilla does not turn up much for that crash sig. The only bug with 
that crash sig is . 
It was marked as a dupe of 
. Both bugs don't 
give much info, and it looks like the original bug may need to be re-opened.


What you can tell is that it is not caused by a plugin or extension. I'm 
*guessing* that it's a javascript issue (which makes sense, given that 
JS engine in SM2 is completely different). If you continue to get this 
crash, one thing you could try is setting the pref 
|javascript.options.jit.chrome| to false.
If that doesn't fix it, try setting |javascript.options.jit.content| to 
false.


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Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - The Modern Internet Suite is Here!

[Phillip Jones]

NoOp wrote:

On 10/29/2009 05:50 PM, Phillip Jones wrote:

Chris Ilias wrote:

...


Did you let the Mozilla Crash Reporter report the bug to Mozilla? If so,
the crash ID should appear in about:crashes , and we can all have a look
at the crash stack.


Not the first time. the second time I did. as it stands I figure it will
crash at least once a day. on SM 1.1.x I hadn't had a crash in years.



And the url to your crash report is?
Just click on the report url.

Sample:

[note: that is/was a flash issue&  most likely isn't related to my
SeaMonkey, but that's what caused the crash (flash) so I reported it]

 here is  the item in the last crash:
 



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Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - The Modern Internet Suite is Here!

[Benoit Renard]

Robert Kaiser wrote:

Benoit Renard wrote:

Robert Kaiser wrote:

I've heard more reports of 1.1.x users suddenly losing their whole
profile as I've heard reports of users losing data when migrating to 2.0


But then again, 2.0 was just released, while 1.1.x has existed for a
couple years already. It's not a fair comparison. Also, often the
profile wasn't lost, but locked.


You know, there are actual _reasons_ why we switched to newer code that
is actively maintained and have throws away the old crap that nobody
wanted to maintain any more.


You should notice upon re-reading my message that I wasn't disputing that.
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Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - The Modern Internet Suite is Here!

[Benoit Renard]

Marcelo wrote:

Interviewed by CNN on 29/10/2009 13:18, Benoit Renard told the world:

Robert Kaiser wrote:
This is not our decision, it's the Mozilla toolkit that is dropping 
support for that after 3 years of no well-maintained new major release 
with that infrastructure - it's just that SeaMonkey did take quite long 
to do an actual release based on the new code.

What's stopping you from adopting the code?


Manpower. The day has just so many hours, the year has just so many
days, and there's other stuff that needs doing.


But if you adopt it, you'll at least have something instead of nothing. 
Someone can volunteer to work on it eventually. The chance of that 
happening is much lower when the code is removed.

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Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - The Modern Internet Suite is Here!

[Daniel]

Robert Kaiser wrote:

Daniel wrote:

Doesn't SM 2.x automagically check for upgrades??


It does, but it might take up to a day until it does automatically. If 
you want to upgrade right away, manually going into Help > Check For 
Updates... is probably better.


Robert Kaiser


Thanks for that, Robert.

Daniel
(Posting with his SM 1.1.15 (I'm sure I've got .18 somewhere), because 
he uses Win98 which will not handle SM 2.x!!)

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Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - The Modern Internet Suite is Here!

[Leonidas Jones]

Phillip Jones wrote:

Leonidas Jones wrote:

Phillip Jones wrote:

Phillip Jones wrote:

Leonidas Jones wrote:

Phillip Jones wrote:

Robert Kaiser wrote:

/snip/



Phillip, be reasonable. Its the crash reporter that report the crash
and its cause to the developers. If *can't* cause the crash. If you see
it, the crash has already happened.

Disabling it only keeps you from sending the data to those who might be
able to fix it.

Lee

Why am I getting two crashes in as many days. I never ever had a Crash
in 1.1.7, and 1.1.8 and ad after I removed the crash reporter several
years ago Not once have I had a crash on the 1.1.x series in about 5
years. maybe longer.



I don't know Phillip, but I do know that it has nothing to do with Crash 
Reporter. Its not causing the crash, its the crash that initiates it.


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Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - The Modern Internet Suite is Here!

[NoOp]

On 10/29/2009 05:50 PM, Phillip Jones wrote:
> Chris Ilias wrote:
...
>>
>> Did you let the Mozilla Crash Reporter report the bug to Mozilla? If so,
>> the crash ID should appear in about:crashes , and we can all have a look
>> at the crash stack.
>>
> Not the first time. the second time I did. as it stands I figure it will 
> crash at least once a day. on SM 1.1.x I hadn't had a crash in years.
> 

And the url to your crash report is?
Just click on the report url.

Sample:

[note: that is/was a flash issue & most likely isn't related to my
SeaMonkey, but that's what caused the crash (flash) so I reported it]
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Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - The Modern Internet Suite is Here!

[Phillip Jones]

Leonidas Jones wrote:

Phillip Jones wrote:

Phillip Jones wrote:

Leonidas Jones wrote:

Phillip Jones wrote:

Robert Kaiser wrote:

/snip/



To add insult to injury It crashed again a while ago this time as I was
quitting it. Same pattern as before. I'll see if I can figure out where
the error reporter in in about:Config. and be done with it.



Phillip, be reasonable.   Its the crash reporter that report the crash
and its cause to the developers.  If *can't* cause the crash. If you see
it, the crash has already happened.

Disabling it only keeps you from sending the data to those who might be
able to fix it.

Lee
Why am I getting two crashes in as many days. I never ever had a Crash 
in 1.1.7, and 1.1.8 and ad after I removed the crash reporter several 
years ago Not once have I had a crash on the 1.1.x series in about 5 
years. maybe longer.


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Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - The Modern Internet Suite is Here!

[Phillip Jones]

Chris Ilias wrote:

On 09-10-29 8:05 AM, Phillip Jones wrote:

Philip Chee wrote:


The crash reporter in 1.1 was called Talkback. The crash reporter in 2.0
is called, er, Crash Reporter. The latter is completely different code
from a totally different source (google).

Secondly, crash reporter in 2.0 never runs until SeaMonkey crashes. When
SeaMonkey is running normally, the Crash Reporter is never running.

I suggest that you are hallucinating.


I wish I had a made screen shot of the window. just to prove. .No I am
not hallucinating.


Did you let the Mozilla Crash Reporter report the bug to Mozilla? If so,
the crash ID should appear in about:crashes , and we can all have a look
at the crash stack.

Not the first time. the second time I did. as it stands I figure it will 
crash at least once a day. on SM 1.1.x I hadn't had a crash in years.


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Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - The Modern Internet Suite is Here!

[Leonidas Jones]

Phillip Jones wrote:

Phillip Jones wrote:

Leonidas Jones wrote:

Phillip Jones wrote:

Robert Kaiser wrote:

/snip/



To add insult to injury It crashed again a while ago this time as I was
quitting it. Same pattern as before. I'll see if I can figure out where
the error reporter in in about:Config. and be done with it.



Phillip, be reasonable.   Its the crash reporter that report the crash 
and its cause to the developers.  If *can't* cause the crash. If you see 
it, the crash has already happened.


Disabling it only keeps you from sending the data to those who might be 
able to fix it.


Lee
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Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - The Modern Internet Suite is Here!

[Chris Ilias]

On 09-10-29 8:05 AM, Phillip Jones wrote:

Philip Chee wrote:


The crash reporter in 1.1 was called Talkback. The crash reporter in 2.0
is called, er, Crash Reporter. The latter is completely different code
from a totally different source (google).

Secondly, crash reporter in 2.0 never runs until SeaMonkey crashes. When
SeaMonkey is running normally, the Crash Reporter is never running.

I suggest that you are hallucinating.


I wish I had a made screen shot of the window. just to prove. .No I am
not hallucinating.


Did you let the Mozilla Crash Reporter report the bug to Mozilla? If so, 
the crash ID should appear in about:crashes , and we can all have a look 
at the crash stack.


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Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - The Modern Internet Suite is Here!

[Robert Kaiser]

Benoit Renard wrote:

Robert Kaiser wrote:

I've heard more reports of 1.1.x users suddenly losing their whole
profile as I've heard reports of users losing data when migrating to 2.0


But then again, 2.0 was just released, while 1.1.x has existed for a
couple years already. It's not a fair comparison. Also, often the
profile wasn't lost, but locked.


Same with 2.0, the data isn't lost but not correctly migrated in most 
cases. And still, there are a number of people that are losing at least 
all their settings regularly with 1.x, _even though_ it has been out for 
years. We just couldn't find the bugs in the old crap code. You know, 
there are actual _reasons_ why we switched to newer code that is 
actively maintained and have throws away the old crap that nobody wanted 
to maintain any more.


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Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - The Modern Internet Suite is Here!

[Marcelo]

Interviewed by CNN on 29/10/2009 13:18, Benoit Renard told the world:
> Robert Kaiser wrote:
>> This is not our decision, it's the Mozilla toolkit that is dropping 
>> support for that after 3 years of no well-maintained new major release 
>> with that infrastructure - it's just that SeaMonkey did take quite long 
>> to do an actual release based on the new code.
> 
> What's stopping you from adopting the code?

Manpower. The day has just so many hours, the year has just so many
days, and there's other stuff that needs doing.

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Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - The Modern Internet Suite is Here!

[NoOp]

On 10/28/2009 10:38 AM, Bill Davidsen wrote:
> NoOp wrote:
...
>> 
>> You always make it so hard for me (joke) :-)
>> http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/seamonkey/nightly/latest-comm-1.9.1/
>> [seamonkey-2.0.1pre.en-US.linux-x86_64.tar.bz2]
>> My 64bit tester is still using that w/o issues so far. I wish I could
>> build a 64bit test version on a 32bit VM machine, but haven't figured
>> out how to do that just yet :-)
>> 
> qemu-system-x86_64 if you're on Linux. Do an install of you favorite 
> distribution, then build. I keep a directory which I use to share stuff, NFS 
> mount it from the VM. The install is slow, but it will complete, the compile 
> will work, and running SM-x86_64 will work and be at least as fast as some 
> old 
> computers I have owned.
> 

Cool! Thanks for the info. None of my cpu's with work with the kvm, but
I'll experiment what I can do with only the quemu part.

Found another one while checking out quemu:

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Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - The Modern Internet Suite is Here!

[Phillip Jones]

Robert Kaiser wrote:

Bret Busby wrote:

Why are these people crossposting to both the mailing lists and all of
the newsgroups that are apparently redirected to the mailing list,
causing the receipt of multiple copies of messages, that some of us
don't want?


Because I messed up the original post and did set yet another
"Newsgroup:" header instead of a "Followup-to:" and people just keep
pressing "Reply", which replies to all newsgroups in "Newsgroup:"
headers unless there is a "Followup-to:" set. Sorry, it's me who messed
up here.

Robert Kaiser

Developers don't make mistakes ;-)

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Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - The Modern Internet Suite is Here!

[Phillip Jones]

Phillip Jones wrote:

Leonidas Jones wrote:

Phillip Jones wrote:

Robert Kaiser wrote:

Phillip Jones wrote:

I did have a silent unexpected Quit. Attributed to the Crash reporter
System (still having got that thing right on Mac's always has caused
crashes on Mozilla products on Mac). It actually causes crashes on Mac's
Now I'll have to disable it again.


The crash reporter system doesn't _cause_ the crashes, it only comes up
once the crash has already happened and tries to report the cause of the
crash to us so we can find out how to correct the crash.

Robert Kaiser


It does. As long as its running SM will crash. in SM 1 since I disabled
the reporter I haven't had a Crash in years. SM2 the first time after
going to SM2 Final then importing everything from 1.1.8 which went off
without a hitch. I was reading a message had to switch from it to
another application . while hidden it crashed. I didn't even realize it
was crashed until I aimed to switch back and notice in the Doc it wasn't
run I restarted it opened up normally. Then when I quit the program to
take a break and closed all the windows I had open (just a couple) there
it was all the way in the Background. When it was running in 1.1.x and
it was working it would pop to the front. It would come to front.



Phillip, I have not noticed this at all.  I don't remember if this was a
problem with Communicator or not, but it really isn't today.

Lee

   I just find it odd that on the very first opening after a completely
successful copy over of all my mail boxes and sub folders, setting of
preferences and then reading of messages it crashes when hiding it. I
can't remember the time I've had a application to crash on opening after
the first install.

To add insult to injury It crashed again a while ago this time as I was 
quitting it. Same pattern as before. I'll see if I can figure out where 
the error reporter in in about:Config. and be done with it.


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Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - The Modern Internet Suite is Here!

[Benoit Renard]

Robert Kaiser wrote:

Phillip Jones wrote:

According to threads previous about developers I though that developers
were made out to be just like regular users? The Comment above proves a
point I tried to make but was scoffed at. Like I said developers either
design for Board of Directors, and the stockholders; or the developers
for themselves and other developers. The user isn't in the equation.


Gah. You're trying very hard not to understand anything about how things 
work, right?


I know how open source works, and he still has a point, I think. Open 
source really isn't /that/ different in the end. Developers may also be 
users, but ultimately they develop to scratch their own itch in many cases.

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Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - The Modern Internet Suite is Here!

[Benoit Renard]

Robert Kaiser wrote:
This is not our decision, it's the Mozilla toolkit that is dropping 
support for that after 3 years of no well-maintained new major release 
with that infrastructure - it's just that SeaMonkey did take quite long 
to do an actual release based on the new code.


What's stopping you from adopting the code?
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Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - The Modern Internet Suite is Here!

[Benoit Renard]

Robert Kaiser wrote:
I've heard more reports of 1.1.x users suddenly losing their whole 
profile as I've heard reports of users losing data when migrating to 2.0


But then again, 2.0 was just released, while 1.1.x has existed for a 
couple years already. It's not a fair comparison. Also, often the 
profile wasn't lost, but locked.

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Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - The Modern Internet Suite is Here!

[Robert Kaiser]

Bret Busby wrote:

Why are these people crossposting to both the mailing lists and all of
the newsgroups that are apparently redirected to the mailing list,
causing the receipt of multiple copies of messages, that some of us
don't want?


Because I messed up the original post and did set yet another 
"Newsgroup:" header instead of a "Followup-to:" and people just keep 
pressing "Reply", which replies to all newsgroups in "Newsgroup:" 
headers unless there is a "Followup-to:" set. Sorry, it's me who messed 
up here.


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Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - The Modern Internet Suite is Here!

[Robert Kaiser]

Daniel wrote:

Doesn't SM 2.x automagically check for upgrades??


It does, but it might take up to a day until it does automatically. If 
you want to upgrade right away, manually going into Help > Check For 
Updates... is probably better.


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Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - The Modern Internet Suite is Here!

[Robert Kaiser]

Phillip Jones wrote:

Philip Chee wrote:

On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 13:54:29 -0400, Bill Davidsen wrote:

Robert Kaiser wrote:



2) We already know now that 2.1 will not be able to import all the data
from 1.x profiles like 2.0 can, as toolkit development removed some of
the old import code already.


That sounds a lot like "you have to get on the bus now," the
alternative being
"go back to Baltimore and start over again as a virgin." (E.B.Griswald)


You have it exactly right, except that some of the Toolkit devs were,
er, far more blunt and somewhat disdainful when they said that to us.


According to threads previous about developers I though that developers
were made out to be just like regular users? The Comment above proves a
point I tried to make but was scoffed at. Like I said developers either
design for Board of Directors, and the stockholders; or the developers
for themselves and other developers. The user isn't in the equation.


Gah. You're trying very hard not to understand anything about how things 
work, right?


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Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - The Modern Internet Suite is Here!

[Phillip Jones]

Philip Chee wrote:

On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 22:44:54 -0400, Phillip Jones wrote:


It does. As long as its running SM will crash. in SM 1 since I disabled
the reporter I haven't had a Crash in years. SM2 the first time after
going to SM2 Final then importing everything from 1.1.8 which went off
without a hitch. I was reading a message had to switch from it to
another application . while hidden it crashed. I didn't even realize it
was crashed until I aimed to switch back and notice in the Doc it wasn't
run I restarted it opened up normally. Then when I quit the program to
take a break and closed all the windows I had open (just a couple) there
it was all the way in the Background. When it was running in 1.1.x and
it was working it would pop to the front. It would come to front.


The crash reporter in 1.1 was called Talkback. The crash reporter in 2.0
is called, er, Crash Reporter. The latter is completely different code
from a totally different source (google).

Secondly, crash reporter in 2.0 never runs until SeaMonkey crashes. When
SeaMonkey is running normally, the Crash Reporter is never running.

I suggest that you are hallucinating.

Phil

I wish I had a made screen shot of the window. just to prove. .No I am 
not hallucinating.

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Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - The Modern Internet Suite is Here!

[Phillip Jones]

Steve Wendt wrote:

On 10/28/09 06:21 am, Jay Garcia wrote:


Click in the user name field, then click in it again. It should give
you a drop-down list of saved items.


I think what Ed is talking about is that there is only ONE
login/password for each site, not a list of logins/passwords that cover
a couple of dozen sites all in one drop down presented at each site.


No, I think it does what Ed wants - lists all the logins for the current
site.  If you want a complete list, the password manager works the same
as it always has.


Netscape/Flock Champion


Isn't Netscape dead?  Looks like it is just a AOL Yahoo-style portal, now.


No the server is still live and well.

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Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - The Modern Internet Suite is Here!

[Phillip Jones]

Leonidas Jones wrote:

Phillip Jones wrote:

Robert Kaiser wrote:

Phillip Jones wrote:

I did have a silent unexpected Quit. Attributed to the Crash reporter
System (still having got that thing right on Mac's always has caused
crashes on Mozilla products on Mac). It actually causes crashes on Mac's
Now I'll have to disable it again.


The crash reporter system doesn't _cause_ the crashes, it only comes up
once the crash has already happened and tries to report the cause of the
crash to us so we can find out how to correct the crash.

Robert Kaiser


It does. As long as its running SM will crash. in SM 1 since I disabled
the reporter I haven't had a Crash in years. SM2 the first time after
going to SM2 Final then importing everything from 1.1.8 which went off
without a hitch. I was reading a message had to switch from it to
another application . while hidden it crashed. I didn't even realize it
was crashed until I aimed to switch back and notice in the Doc it wasn't
run I restarted it opened up normally. Then when I quit the program to
take a break and closed all the windows I had open (just a couple) there
it was all the way in the Background. When it was running in 1.1.x and
it was working it would pop to the front. It would come to front.



Phillip, I have not noticed this at all.  I don't remember if this was a
problem with Communicator or not, but it really isn't today.

Lee
 I just find it odd that on the very first opening after a completely 
successful copy over of all my mail boxes and sub folders, setting of 
preferences and then reading of messages it crashes when hiding it. I 
can't remember the time I've had a application to crash on opening after 
the first install.


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Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - The Modern Internet Suite is Here!

[Daniel]

Leonidas Jones wrote:

Graham wrote:

Robert Kaiser wrote:

Bill Davidsen wrote:




 Instruct them to 
install 2.0, migrate their data, then check for updates to newer versions.


Lee


Doesn't SM 2.x automagically check for upgrades??

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Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - The Modern Internet Suite is Here!

[Bret Busby]

On Wed, 28 Oct 2009, Rich Gray wrote:


Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 22:06:15 -0400
From: Rich Gray 
To: support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org
Newsgroups: mozilla.support.seamonkey, mozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey,
mozilla.support.seamonkey, mozilla.dev.planning,
mozilla.support.mozilla-suite, netscape.public.mozilla.seamonkey,
mozilla.dev.l10n
Subject: Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - The Modern Internet Suite is Here!




Why are these people crossposting to both the mailing lists and all of 
the newsgroups that are apparently redirected to the mailing list, 
causing the receipt of multiple copies of messages, that some of us 
don't want?


This is the same in principle, as the development of bloatware - as 
computer power and speed increased, software development got 
increasingly sloppy, so that software became ridiculously inefficient, 
so that now, much of the available software is rubbish. It is probably 
the reason of many of the crashes due to software being so poorly 
designed, that it increasingly swallows resources, without releasing the 
resources when the software is closed, amking computing increasingly 
unstable.


Why can't people on mailing lists, treat other subscribers with respect, 
instead of trying to drown us in multiple copies of messages?


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West Australia
..

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 you'll know what the answer means."
- Deep Thought,
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  published by Pan Books, 1992


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Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - The Modern Internet Suite is Here!

[Philip Chee]

On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 22:44:54 -0400, Phillip Jones wrote:

> It does. As long as its running SM will crash. in SM 1 since I disabled 
> the reporter I haven't had a Crash in years. SM2 the first time after 
> going to SM2 Final then importing everything from 1.1.8 which went off 
> without a hitch. I was reading a message had to switch from it to 
> another application . while hidden it crashed. I didn't even realize it 
> was crashed until I aimed to switch back and notice in the Doc it wasn't 
> run I restarted it opened up normally. Then when I quit the program to 
> take a break and closed all the windows I had open (just a couple) there 
> it was all the way in the Background. When it was running in 1.1.x and 
> it was working it would pop to the front. It would come to front.

The crash reporter in 1.1 was called Talkback. The crash reporter in 2.0
is called, er, Crash Reporter. The latter is completely different code
from a totally different source (google).

Secondly, crash reporter in 2.0 never runs until SeaMonkey crashes. When
SeaMonkey is running normally, the Crash Reporter is never running.

I suggest that you are hallucinating.

Phil

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Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - The Modern Internet Suite is Here!

[Steve Wendt]

On 10/28/09 06:21 am, Jay Garcia wrote:


Click in the user name field, then click in it again. It should give
you a drop-down list of saved items.


I think what Ed is talking about is that there is only ONE
login/password for each site, not a list of logins/passwords that cover
a couple of dozen sites all in one drop down presented at each site.


No, I think it does what Ed wants - lists all the logins for the current 
site.  If you want a complete list, the password manager works the same 
as it always has.



Netscape/Flock Champion


Isn't Netscape dead?  Looks like it is just a AOL Yahoo-style portal, now.
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Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - The Modern Internet Suite is Here!

[Rufus]

Leonidas Jones wrote:

Phillip Jones wrote:

Robert Kaiser wrote:

Phillip Jones wrote:

I did have a silent unexpected Quit. Attributed to the Crash reporter
System (still having got that thing right on Mac's always has caused
crashes on Mozilla products on Mac). It actually causes crashes on
Mac's
Now I'll have to disable it again.


The crash reporter system doesn't _cause_ the crashes, it only comes up
once the crash has already happened and tries to report the cause of the
crash to us so we can find out how to correct the crash.

Robert Kaiser


It does. As long as its running SM will crash. in SM 1 since I disabled
the reporter I haven't had a Crash in years. SM2 the first time after
going to SM2 Final then importing everything from 1.1.8 which went off
without a hitch. I was reading a message had to switch from it to
another application . while hidden it crashed. I didn't even realize it
was crashed until I aimed to switch back and notice in the Doc it wasn't
run I restarted it opened up normally. Then when I quit the program to
take a break and closed all the windows I had open (just a couple) there
it was all the way in the Background. When it was running in 1.1.x and
it was working it would pop to the front. It would come to front.



Phillip, I have not noticed this at all. I don't remember if this was a
problem with Communicator or not, but it realy isn't today.

Lee


I've never had that problem either.

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Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - The Modern Internet Suite is Here!

[Leonidas Jones]

Phillip Jones wrote:

Robert Kaiser wrote:

Phillip Jones wrote:

I did have a silent unexpected Quit. Attributed to the Crash reporter
System (still having got that thing right on Mac's always has caused
crashes on Mozilla products on Mac). It actually causes crashes on Mac's
Now I'll have to disable it again.


The crash reporter system doesn't _cause_ the crashes, it only comes up
once the crash has already happened and tries to report the cause of the
crash to us so we can find out how to correct the crash.

Robert Kaiser


It does. As long as its running SM will crash. in SM 1 since I disabled
the reporter I haven't had a Crash in years. SM2 the first time after
going to SM2 Final then importing everything from 1.1.8 which went off
without a hitch. I was reading a message had to switch from it to
another application . while hidden it crashed. I didn't even realize it
was crashed until I aimed to switch back and notice in the Doc it wasn't
run I restarted it opened up normally. Then when I quit the program to
take a break and closed all the windows I had open (just a couple) there
it was all the way in the Background. When it was running in 1.1.x and
it was working it would pop to the front. It would come to front.



Phillip, I have not noticed this at all.  I don't remember if this was a 
problem with Communicator or not, but it realy isn't today.


Lee
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Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - The Modern Internet Suite is Here!

[Phillip Jones]

Philip Chee wrote:

On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 13:54:29 -0400, Bill Davidsen wrote:

Robert Kaiser wrote:



2) We already know now that 2.1 will not be able to import all the data
from 1.x profiles like 2.0 can, as toolkit development removed some of
the old import code already.


That sounds a lot like "you have to get on the bus now," the alternative being
"go back to Baltimore and start over again as a virgin." (E.B.Griswald)


You have it exactly right, except that some of the Toolkit devs were,
er, far more blunt and somewhat disdainful when they said that to us.


According to threads previous about developers I though that developers 
were made out to be just like regular users? The Comment above proves a 
point I tried to make  but was scoffed at. Like I said developers either 
design for Board of Directors, and the stockholders; or the developers 
for themselves and other developers. The user isn't in the equation.



Dropping support for migration this soon seems likely to leave more users on
1.1.xx than to force users to migrate before 2.0 has been out long enough to
knock off the rough edges. Even Microsoft gave up trying to force upgrade by
beating with a stick, you can still go from XP to Win7, and old applications
from before XP still work (for the most part).


It isn't us (SeaMonkey developers) that need to be told this :(

Phil




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Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - The Modern Internet Suite is Here!

[Phillip Jones]

Robert Kaiser wrote:

Phillip Jones wrote:

I did have a silent unexpected Quit. Attributed to the Crash reporter
System (still having got that thing right on Mac's always has caused
crashes on Mozilla products on Mac). It actually causes crashes on Mac's
Now I'll have to disable it again.


The crash reporter system doesn't _cause_ the crashes, it only comes up
once the crash has already happened and tries to report the cause of the
crash to us so we can find out how to correct the crash.

Robert Kaiser


It does. As long as its running SM will crash. in SM 1 since I disabled 
the reporter I haven't had a Crash in years. SM2 the first time after 
going to SM2 Final then importing everything from 1.1.8 which went off 
without a hitch. I was reading a message had to switch from it to 
another application . while hidden it crashed. I didn't even realize it 
was crashed until I aimed to switch back and notice in the Doc it wasn't 
run I restarted it opened up normally. Then when I quit the program to 
take a break and closed all the windows I had open (just a couple) there 
it was all the way in the Background. When it was running in 1.1.x and 
it was working it would pop to the front. It would come to front.


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Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - The Modern Internet Suite is Here!

[Rich Gray]

Bill Davidsen wrote:

Robert Kaiser wrote:

The SeaMonkey project at Mozilla is excited to release its completely
refurbished next generation of the all-in one Internet suite today:
SeaMonkey 2.0, now available for free download from the
seamonkey-project.org website, melds the ideas behind Netscape
Communicator with the modern platform of Firefox 3.5 to create one of
the most compelling open source products for advanced Internet users.


Fantastic!  What wonderful work by the SeaMonkey team, backed
by the power of Mozilla Gecko and its horde of contributors!

(Then is finally NOW.)  :)


As Ralph Kramden used to say, "How suite it is!" I doubt anyone under 50
knows who he was...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEQg-L-Rbp0  +3:50   ;)

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Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - The Modern Internet Suite is Here!

[Philip Chee]

On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 13:54:29 -0400, Bill Davidsen wrote:
> Robert Kaiser wrote:

>> 2) We already know now that 2.1 will not be able to import all the data 
>> from 1.x profiles like 2.0 can, as toolkit development removed some of 
>> the old import code already.
>> 
> That sounds a lot like "you have to get on the bus now," the alternative 
> being 
> "go back to Baltimore and start over again as a virgin." (E.B.Griswald)

You have it exactly right, except that some of the Toolkit devs were,
er, far more blunt and somewhat disdainful when they said that to us.

> Dropping support for migration this soon seems likely to leave more users on 
> 1.1.xx than to force users to migrate before 2.0 has been out long enough to 
> knock off the rough edges. Even Microsoft gave up trying to force upgrade by 
> beating with a stick, you can still go from XP to Win7, and old applications 
> from before XP still work (for the most part).

It isn't us (SeaMonkey developers) that need to be told this :(

Phil

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Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - The Modern Internet Suite is Here!

[Robert Kaiser]

Leonidas Jones wrote:

On the other hand, maybe it would be well to keep a link to 2.0 on the
website, specifically geared for new 1.1.x upgraders. Instruct them to
install 2.0, migrate their data, then check for updates to newer versions.


As you can see on the website today, we still carry links to all our old 
versions, and we'll continue to do that.


For now, the only thing we surely will know that will be lost is import 
of download history, which is not that essential for most users, but 
still, it's one part of data, and I expect that others will follow the 
same path in the future.


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Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - The Modern Internet Suite is Here!

[Leonidas Jones]

Graham wrote:

Robert Kaiser wrote:

Bill Davidsen wrote:

Dropping support for migration this soon seems likely to leave more
users on 1.1.xx than to force users to migrate before 2.0 has been out
long enough to knock off the rough edges.


This is not our decision, it's the Mozilla toolkit that is dropping
support for that after 3 years of no well-maintained new major release
with that infrastructure - it's just that SeaMonkey did take quite
long to do an actual release based on the new code.


No matter the cause, the effect will be the same. I'm not sure this will
cause many to change their upgrade plans though as most will be unaware
of it until too late.

Graham.


Well, manual migration of the profile is not that difficult, and has the 
advantage of removing the cruft of multiple version upgrades. It might 
not be the worst thing.


On the other hand, maybe it would be well to keep a link to 2.0 on the 
website, specifically geared for new 1.1.x upgraders.  Instruct them to 
install 2.0, migrate their data, then check for updates to newer versions.


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Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - The Modern Internet Suite is Here!

[Graham]

Robert Kaiser wrote:

Bill Davidsen wrote:

Dropping support for migration this soon seems likely to leave more
users on 1.1.xx than to force users to migrate before 2.0 has been out
long enough to knock off the rough edges.


This is not our decision, it's the Mozilla toolkit that is dropping 
support for that after 3 years of no well-maintained new major release 
with that infrastructure - it's just that SeaMonkey did take quite long 
to do an actual release based on the new code.


No matter the cause, the effect will be the same. I'm not sure this will 
cause many to change their upgrade plans though as most will be unaware 
of it until too late.


Graham.
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Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - The Modern Internet Suite is Here!

[Robert Kaiser]

Phillip Jones wrote:

I did have a silent unexpected Quit. Attributed to the Crash reporter
System (still having got that thing right on Mac's always has caused
crashes on Mozilla products on Mac). It actually causes crashes on Mac's
Now I'll have to disable it again.


The crash reporter system doesn't _cause_ the crashes, it only comes up 
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crash to us so we can find out how to correct the crash.


Robert Kaiser
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Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - The Modern Internet Suite is Here!

[Robert Kaiser]

Bill Davidsen wrote:

Dropping support for migration this soon seems likely to leave more
users on 1.1.xx than to force users to migrate before 2.0 has been out
long enough to knock off the rough edges.


This is not our decision, it's the Mozilla toolkit that is dropping 
support for that after 3 years of no well-maintained new major release 
with that infrastructure - it's just that SeaMonkey did take quite long 
to do an actual release based on the new code.


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Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - The Modern Internet Suite is Here!

[Bill Davidsen]

Robert Kaiser wrote:
The SeaMonkey project at Mozilla is excited to release its completely 
refurbished next generation of the all-in one Internet suite today: 
SeaMonkey 2.0, now available for free download from the 
seamonkey-project.org website, melds the ideas behind Netscape 
Communicator with the modern platform of Firefox 3.5 to create one of 
the most compelling open source products for advanced Internet users.


As Ralph Kramden used to say, "How suite it is!" I doubt anyone under 50 knows 
who he was...


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Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - The Modern Internet Suite is Here!

[Bill Davidsen]

Robert Kaiser wrote:

Bret Busby wrote:

Due to the reported problems, it seems a bit too problematic to update
from 1.1.18 to 2.0, now. Maybe people like me, who need to be consident
that our systems are (relatively) stable, need to wait until 2.1 is
released.


1) 1.1.18 has a number of know security problems (I actually didn't dare 
to mention that before 2.0 was out the door) - a large number of the 
problems fixed in Firefox 3.5.2 to 3.5.4 do exist in SeaMonkey 1.1.18 
but have not been fixed in that line, only in the 2.0 release. The 
largest problem there is that nobody seems to be willing to do all the 
work of backporting the security patches to that old code.


2) We already know now that 2.1 will not be able to import all the data 
from 1.x profiles like 2.0 can, as toolkit development removed some of 
the old import code already.


That sounds a lot like "you have to get on the bus now," the alternative being 
"go back to Baltimore and start over again as a virgin." (E.B.Griswald)


Dropping support for migration this soon seems likely to leave more users on 
1.1.xx than to force users to migrate before 2.0 has been out long enough to 
knock off the rough edges. Even Microsoft gave up trying to force upgrade by 
beating with a stick, you can still go from XP to Win7, and old applications 
from before XP still work (for the most part).


I guess I better keep my 2.0 install files handy, to migrate people who wait 
until they have a chance to watch other do the jump first.


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Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - The Modern Internet Suite is Here!

[Bill Davidsen]

NoOp wrote:

On 10/27/2009 06:48 PM, Hartmut Figge wrote:

NoOp:


Well done! Any idea when a 64bit linux version will be available?

Well, there is seamonkey-2.0.source.tar.bz2 :)

Hart d&r mut


You always make it so hard for me (joke) :-)
http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/seamonkey/nightly/latest-comm-1.9.1/
[seamonkey-2.0.1pre.en-US.linux-x86_64.tar.bz2]
My 64bit tester is still using that w/o issues so far. I wish I could
build a 64bit test version on a 32bit VM machine, but haven't figured
out how to do that just yet :-)

qemu-system-x86_64 if you're on Linux. Do an install of you favorite 
distribution, then build. I keep a directory which I use to share stuff, NFS 
mount it from the VM. The install is slow, but it will complete, the compile 
will work, and running SM-x86_64 will work and be at least as fast as some old 
computers I have owned.


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Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - The Modern Internet Suite is Here!

[Chris Ilias]

On 09-10-28 11:55 AM, e...@edmullen.net wrote:

Steve Wendt wrote:

On 10/27/09 07:38 pm, e...@edmullen.net wrote:


If I can't remember that one login begins with "1" and the other login
begins with "e" and the third login begins with "j" ... well, how the
hell is this new paradigm better? I mean, look, I plugged all this data
into SeaMonkey so SM could remember it, not me.


Click in the user name field, then click in it again. It should give you
a drop-down list of saved items.


I tried that. I get the list. If I let go of the mouse button it
disappears. If I hold the button and slide down into the list nothing is
selected.

As Neil suggested using the down arrow key does work. While that's not
horrible it's not as convenient as the mouse, IMHO.


Here, all I need to do is click on the username field. (If it is not in 
focus, I can double-click)

See:  [334K]

Maybe you have an add-on that is interfering?
Or maybe your problem only applies to passwords that were imported? 

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Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - The Modern Internet Suite is Here!

[Phillip Jones]

Robert Kaiser wrote:

Daniel wrote:

Lee, the way I read Phillip's post, He had SM 1.1.18 (with QuoteColours
installed) installed, trailed SM 2.xx which made a copy of the profile.
He then found the QC could not install, so returned to SM 1.1.18 and has
had more emails, etc., included into the profile.

Now where he to install the 2.0Final, it would find the old, SM 2.xx
profile and not re-import the up to date SM 1.1.18 profile.


If so, he should delete the previous 2.0 profile, which should trigger
the import again.

Robert Kaiser.


Sort did that. I moved it to Trash to hide it.

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Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - The Modern Internet Suite is Here!

[Phillip Jones]

Daniel wrote:

Leonidas Jones wrote:

Phillip Jones wrote:

»Q« wrote:

In ,
Robert Kaiser  wrote:


The SeaMonkey project at Mozilla is excited to release its completely
refurbished next generation of the all-in one Internet suite today:
SeaMonkey 2.0


Congratulations and thanks to everybody involved!


Now that it is Gold and SkyPilot and QuoteColors now works I'll have to
figure out how I can move my current setup in 1.1.8, over again. when I
was trying The Beta's for first time I had it copy over all my setup
from 1.1.8 Since I've only used the browser section after I found out
quote colors, didn't work and was deal breaker. Today I downloaded
Quotecolors and it works. So I now want to move on.

Besides the news and Email I've also added some filter rules. and other
items.

Can I completely remove the Profile Folder and do the import?



From what you are saying, you have already imported. If you have
another profile to import, do not delete the profile folder until you
have imported the data.

Once you are happy with how 2.0 is working, it would be a good idea to
delete the old profile folder, to save disk space. If you have
installed 2.0 anywhere other than Applications, move it to the
Applications folder, and let it overwrite 1.1.8.

Lee


Lee, the way I read Phillip's post, He had SM 1.1.18 (with Quote Colours
installed) installed, trailed SM 2.xx which made a copy of the profile.
He then found the QC could not install, so returned to SM 1.1.18 and has
had more emails, etc., included into the profile.

Now where he to install the 2.0Final, it would find the old, SM 2.xx
profile and not re-import the up to date SM 1.1.18 profile.

That's how I read it, anyway!! I'm sure Phillip will let us know if it's
otherwise.

Daniel


Spot on Daniel.

I bit the bullet. Located the SM Profile I had setup for SM move it out 
on Desk top. Opened SM. it asked whether import from 1.1.x I allowed it. 
Everything came over. Then I installed SkyPilot Classic and Quote Colors.


I did have a silent unexpected Quit. Attributed to the Crash reporter 
System (still having got that thing right on Mac's always has caused 
crashes on Mozilla products on Mac). It actually causes crashes on Mac's 
Now I'll have to disable it again.


Anyway I saved just the Mail folder from the originally created SM2 
profile as that's what  I was interested  in. Now I'll zip the SM 1.18 
version and Archive. There a few things see exactly right. and with the 
disappearance of the Forms Manager you no longer edit mistaken information.


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Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - The Modern Internet Suite is Here!

[ed]

Steve Wendt wrote:

On 10/27/09 07:38 pm, e...@edmullen.net wrote:


If I can't remember that one login begins with "1" and the other login
begins with "e" and the third login begins with "j" ... well, how the
hell is this new paradigm better? I mean, look, I plugged all this data
into SeaMonkey so SM could remember it, not me.


Click in the user name field, then click in it again. It should give you
a drop-down list of saved items.


I tried that.  I get the list.  If I let go of the mouse button it 
disappears.  If I hold the button and slide down into the list nothing 
is selected.


As Neil suggested using the down arrow key does work.  While that's not 
horrible it's not as convenient as the mouse, IMHO.


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Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - The Modern Internet Suite is Here!

[Robert Kaiser]

Bret Busby wrote:

Due to the reported problems, it seems a bit too problematic to update
from 1.1.18 to 2.0, now. Maybe people like me, who need to be consident
that our systems are (relatively) stable, need to wait until 2.1 is
released.


1) 1.1.18 has a number of know security problems (I actually didn't dare 
to mention that before 2.0 was out the door) - a large number of the 
problems fixed in Firefox 3.5.2 to 3.5.4 do exist in SeaMonkey 1.1.18 
but have not been fixed in that line, only in the 2.0 release. The 
largest problem there is that nobody seems to be willing to do all the 
work of backporting the security patches to that old code.


2) We already know now that 2.1 will not be able to import all the data 
from 1.x profiles like 2.0 can, as toolkit development removed some of 
the old import code already.




[...] I think it is probably
best, for stability, to wait until if and when Seamonkey 2 (or, even
better, from the reporting of the problems, version 2.1, with all the
bugs of version 2, fixed) makes it into the package repositories for the
Linux distributions.


Fedora and openSUSE already do provide 2.0 packages for their current or 
upcoming distribution releases. openSUSE 11.2 is coming in November with 
SeaMonkey 2.0 available from the installation DVD or official online 
repository.



Also, it would need to be explicitly stated, that Seamonkey v2.x would
definitely be able to be installed in parallel with an existing
installation of 1.1.x, and, be able to import settings/profiles/history
from v1.1.x, on each of the different operating systems, so that the two
could be run in parallel (parallel implementation is alsways safest, in
software development), to ensure that we do not lose data, as has been
reported as having happened with other people who have upgraded from
1.1.18 to 2, or who have replaced 1.1.18 with 2.


I've heard more reports of 1.1.x users suddenly losing their whole 
profile as I've heard reports of users losing data when migrating to 2.0 
- and it's perfectly possible to run both versions in parallel on any 
operating system, they just cannot share any profile data, so mails 
downloaded via POP, etc. on on version will never be available on the 
other. The best solution is really to uninstall 1.x, install 2.0, 
migrate your data over and forget the old version would have any other 
value than being a part of history.


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Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - The Modern Internet Suite is Here!

[Robert Kaiser]

Lou wrote:

I wonder if there is a way of sharing my .deb package with people that
might want to try it.


You could request from us to put it up as a contributed build on the 
SeaMonkey website (you just should provide a README along with it, 
explaining any build peculiarities and identifying yourself as the 
contributor.


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Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - The Modern Internet Suite is Here!

[Robert Kaiser]

Daniel wrote:

Lee, the way I read Phillip's post, He had SM 1.1.18 (with QuoteColours
installed) installed, trailed SM 2.xx which made a copy of the profile.
He then found the QC could not install, so returned to SM 1.1.18 and has
had more emails, etc., included into the profile.

Now where he to install the 2.0Final, it would find the old, SM 2.xx
profile and not re-import the upto date SM 1.1.18 profile.


If so, he should delete the previous 2.0 profile, which should trigger 
the import again.


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Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - The Modern Internet Suite is Here!

[Robert Kaiser]

Tomas Thrainsson wrote:

I upgraded it from 1.1.18 and after the upgrade I had a strange
occurrence.
Every time I try to run Seamonkey, it shuts down all by itself without
ever opening a window. I tried downloading it again without any
change.


Did you uninstall 1.1.18 before installing 2.0? If not, try removing the 
application directory and re-installing 2.0.


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Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - The Modern Internet Suite is Here!

[Jay Garcia]

On 27.10.2009 23:51, Steve Wendt wrote:

 --- Original Message ---


On 10/27/09 07:38 pm, e...@edmullen.net wrote:


If I can't remember that one login begins with "1" and the other login
begins with "e" and the third login begins with "j" ... well, how the
hell is this new paradigm better? I mean, look, I plugged all this data
into SeaMonkey so SM could remember it, not me.


Click in the user name field, then click in it again.  It should give 
you a drop-down list of saved items.



I think what Ed is talking about is that there is only ONE 
login/password for each site, not a list of logins/passwords that cover 
a couple of dozen sites all in one drop down presented at each site. 
Counter-intuitive IMHO.


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Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - The Modern Internet Suite is Here!

[Philip Chee]

On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 04:30:22 +0100, Hartmut Figge wrote:
>>--disable-official-branding --with-branding=../suite/branding/nightly

These don't do anything currently since, unlike minefield and shredder,
we don't have any alternate branding.

Phil

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Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - The Modern Internet Suite is Here!

[Daniel]

Leonidas Jones wrote:

Phillip Jones wrote:

»Q« wrote:

In ,
Robert Kaiser  wrote:


The SeaMonkey project at Mozilla is excited to release its completely
refurbished next generation of the all-in one Internet suite today:
SeaMonkey 2.0


Congratulations and thanks to everybody involved!


Now that it is Gold and SkyPilot and QuoteColors now works I'll have to
figure out how I can move my current setup in 1.1.8, over again. when I
was trying The Beta's for first time I had it copy over all my setup
from 1.1.8 Since I've only used the browser section after I found out
quote colors, didn't work and was deal breaker. Today I downloaded
Quotecolors and it works. So I now want to move on.

Besides the news and Email I've also added some filter rules. and other
items.

Can I completely remove the Profile Folder and do the import?



 From what you are saying, you have already imported.  If you have 
another profile to import, do not delete the profile folder until you 
have imported the data.


Once you are happy with how 2.0 is working, it would be a good idea to 
delete the old profile folder, to save disk space.  If you have 
installed 2.0 anywhere other than Applications, move it to the 
Applications folder, and let it overwrite 1.1.8.


Lee


Lee, the way I read Phillip's post, He had SM 1.1.18 (with QuoteColours 
installed) installed, trailed SM 2.xx which made a copy of the profile. 
He then found the QC could not install, so returned to SM 1.1.18 and has 
had more emails, etc., included into the profile.


Now where he to install the 2.0Final, it would find the old, SM 2.xx 
profile and not re-import the upto date SM 1.1.18 profile.


That's how I read it, anyway!! I'm sure Phillip will let us know if it's 
otherwise.


Daniel
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Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - The Modern Internet Suite is Here!

[Neil]

Steve Wendt wrote:


On 10/27/09 07:38 pm, e...@edmullen.net wrote:

If I can't remember that one login begins with "1" and the other 
login begins with "e" and the third login begins with "j" ... well, 
how the hell is this new paradigm better? I mean, look, I plugged all 
this data into SeaMonkey so SM could remember it, not me.


Click in the user name field, then click in it again.  It should give 
you a drop-down list of saved items.


Or for keyboard users, tab to the user name and press the down arrow key.

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Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - The Modern Internet Suite is Here!

[John Doue]

e...@edmullen.net wrote:

Robert Kaiser wrote:

The SeaMonkey project at Mozilla is excited to release its completely
refurbished next generation of the all-in one Internet suite today:
SeaMonkey 2.0, now available for free download from the
seamonkey-project.org website, melds the ideas behind Netscape
Communicator with the modern platform of Firefox 3.5 to create one of
the most compelling open source products for advanced Internet users.



Bravo.  Good work.

Well, except for the totally ill-conceived trashing of the modal windows.

If I have multiple accounts for a single site (say, American Express, 
which I do, and many many other sites), and the reason I stored that 
account info in SeaMonkey in the first place was because I can't and 
don't want to have to recall the arcane login info, then, no, the new 
paradigm doesn't work.


If I can't remember that one login begins with "1" and the other login 
begins with "e" and the third login begins with "j" ... well, how the 
hell is this new paradigm better?  I mean, look, I plugged all this data 
into SeaMonkey so SM could remember it, not me.


WTFO?

The whole point of that function is (well, "was") so I don't have to 
remember, ok?  And now you guys broke it.  So I now have to remember all 
my logins in order to use SM's function.


Admit it.  You broke a perfectly good and useful function.

We can argue later about WHY you broke it.  But, admit it.  The function 
is broken.  The functionality is broken.  The usability is broken.


"Stupid modal window"?  Users don't care about that argument.  I care 
that I have a useful function on a Web site where I have 3 or 4 or 5 
different logins.  AND THE REASON I US SM AND IT'S LOGIN FUNCTION WAS 
... I DON'T WANNA HAVE TO REMEMBER THIS SHIT!!!


Got it now?

So, okay, modal windows have been deemed inelegant by the programmers. 
Fine.  No problem.


Tell you what.  Solve my problem and yours at the same time and I'll 
praise you.


Screw me with nonsensical programming arguments?  Sorry.  You can't 
support it.  There's no argument you can muster that says your argument 
outweighs normal usage like mine.


Tell me, please.  If a user of SM has 3 or 4 (or more) logins to a 
single site, and the whole purpose of using SM's password manager is to 
not have to remember any of those logins, so that when a user goes to a 
login URL he'll be tossed up a modal (sorry, "stupid" modal) window 
wherein he can go "Oh!  Right!  My wife's account!  No!  My account!  Oh 
no!!!  My daughter's account! Ooops! My son's account ..."


Hey.  If I wanted to keep all that shit in my brain I'd just use IE.  Or 
something else.  What the hell where you people thinking?


So, ok, please, tell me. Tell me, in my usage, how am I to employ the 
new SM paradigm?  How is this better for me?


And, please, tell me, how does this new and better paradigm work when I 
log into a site where I have 2, 3, 4 or 5 login identities and I can't 
remember how any of them start?



Ed, check www.roboform.com. This might be an answer to your problems ... 
Works for me perfectly in FF 3.5. There probably will soon be a version 
for SM 2.0 since I have no doubt requirements like yours are not unique.


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Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - The Modern Internet Suite is Here!

[Steve Wendt]

On 10/27/09 07:38 pm, e...@edmullen.net wrote:


If I can't remember that one login begins with "1" and the other login
begins with "e" and the third login begins with "j" ... well, how the
hell is this new paradigm better? I mean, look, I plugged all this data
into SeaMonkey so SM could remember it, not me.


Click in the user name field, then click in it again.  It should give 
you a drop-down list of saved items.

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Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - The Modern Internet Suite is Here!

[Lou]

Hartmut Figge wrote:

Lou:


I wonder if there is a way of sharing my .deb package with people that
might want to try it.


You could upload it to your webspace.


Configure arguments
--enable-application=suite --enable-startup-notification
--enable-calendar --enable-application=../suite
--disable-official-branding --with-branding=../suite/branding/nightly
--disable-debug --enable-optimize --enable-64bit


That could help others who which to compile by themselves.

P.S.
Hach, i love this bug in the composer of SM2.1 *g*

Hartmut


Uploaded it here:
http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=9db35479c75a777d08f8df73f2072ed6e04e75f6e8ebb871
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Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - The Modern Internet Suite is Here!

[Hartmut Figge]

Lou:

>I wonder if there is a way of sharing my .deb package with people that 
>might want to try it.

You could upload it to your webspace.

>Configure arguments
>--enable-application=suite --enable-startup-notification 
>--enable-calendar --enable-application=../suite 
>--disable-official-branding --with-branding=../suite/branding/nightly
>--disable-debug --enable-optimize --enable-64bit 

That could help others who which to compile by themselves.

P.S.
Hach, i love this bug in the composer of SM2.1 *g*

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Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - The Modern Internet Suite is Here!

[Lou]

Bret Busby wrote:


One thing that concerns me, is the use of the .tar.bz2 (files like that
used to be .tar.gz - the .bz2 entended extension, seems a bit different)
file, rather than a package file (like .deb), for Linux.

I run Ubuntu Linux 8.04LTS, ...



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Ubuntu is NOT going to release a .deb package for 8.04, since they don't 
do major version updates within a release version.  I just compiled 
Seamonkey and created a .deb package.  Everything seems to be working 
fine so far.  I am also running Ubuntu 8.04 (Hardy Heron) 64-bit.


I wonder if there is a way of sharing my .deb package with people that 
might want to try it.


Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.1.4) 
Gecko/20091027 SeaMonkey/2.0

**
Here is my about:buildconfig

Build platform
target
x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu

Build tools
CompilerVersion Compiler flags
gcc 	gcc version 4.2.4 (Ubuntu 4.2.4-1ubuntu4) 	-Wall -W -Wno-unused 
-Wpointer-arith -Wcast-align -W -Wno-long-long -pedantic 
-fno-strict-aliasing -pthread -pipe -DNDEBUG -DTRIMMED -Os 
-freorder-blocks -fno-reorder-functions -finline-limit=50
c++ 	gcc version 4.2.4 (Ubuntu 4.2.4-1ubuntu4) 	-fno-rtti 
-fno-exceptions -Wall -Wpointer-arith -Woverloaded-virtual -Wsynth 
-Wno-ctor-dtor-privacy -Wno-non-virtual-dtor -Wcast-align 
-Wno-invalid-offsetof -Wno-long-long -pedantic -fno-strict-aliasing 
-fshort-wchar -pthread -pipe -DNDEBUG -DTRIMMED -Os -freorder-blocks 
-fno-reorder-functions -finline-limit=50


Configure arguments
--enable-application=suite --enable-startup-notification 
--enable-calendar --enable-application=../suite 
--disable-official-branding --with-branding=../suite/branding/nightly 
--disable-debug --enable-optimize --enable-64bit 
--cache-file=.././config.cache --srcdir=.

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[NoOp]

On 10/27/2009 06:50 PM, Bret Busby wrote:

> 
> Due to the reported problems, it seems a bit too problematic to update 
> from 1.1.18 to 2.0, now. Maybe people like me, who need to be consident 
> that our systems are (relatively) stable, need to wait until 2.1 is 
> released.

By then 1.1.18 will probably be in the Fx 2.0 and Tb 2.0 catagories.

> 
> One thing that concerns me, is the use of the .tar.bz2 (files like that 
> used to be .tar.gz - the .bz2 entended extension, seems a bit different) 
> file, rather than a package file (like .deb), for Linux.

Why? In Ubuntu all you do is download, open Nautilus, double-click the
file, extract to your home folder, create a Applications link to the
~/home/seamonkey/seamonkey shell file and run. Or from a terminal:

$ ~/home/seamonkey/
$ ./seamonkey

or follow the install instructions:

http://www.seamonkey-project.org/doc/2.0/install-and-uninstall


> 
> I run Ubuntu Linux 8.04LTS, Debian 5 Linux,

See above.

 and Windows XP with service
> packs (I believe that I have SP3, in addition to SP2, which I do know 
> was installed, but I am not definite about SP3), although the Win XP 
> should probably now be replaced with Win 7, so I think it is probably 
> best, for stability, to wait until if and when Seamonkey 2 (or, even 
> better, from the reporting of the problems, version 2.1, with all the 
> bugs of version 2, fixed) makes it into the package repositories for the 
> Linux distributions.

No idea if there is a question or statement in that.

> 
> Also, it would need to be explicitly stated, that Seamonkey v2.x would 
> definitely be able to be installed in parallel with an existing 
> installation of 1.1.x, and, be able to import settings/profiles/history 
> from v1.1.x, on each of the different operating systems, so that the two 
> could be run in parallel (parallel implementation is alsways safest, in 
> software development), to ensure that we do not lose data, as has been 
> reported as having happened with other people who have upgraded from 
> 1.1.18 to 2, or who have replaced 1.1.18 with 2.

Or that.

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Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - The Modern Internet Suite is Here!

[ed]

Robert Kaiser wrote:

The SeaMonkey project at Mozilla is excited to release its completely
refurbished next generation of the all-in one Internet suite today:
SeaMonkey 2.0, now available for free download from the
seamonkey-project.org website, melds the ideas behind Netscape
Communicator with the modern platform of Firefox 3.5 to create one of
the most compelling open source products for advanced Internet users.



Bravo.  Good work.

Well, except for the totally ill-conceived trashing of the modal windows.

If I have multiple accounts for a single site (say, American Express, 
which I do, and many many other sites), and the reason I stored that 
account info in SeaMonkey in the first place was because I can't and 
don't want to have to recall the arcane login info, then, no, the new 
paradigm doesn't work.


If I can't remember that one login begins with "1" and the other login 
begins with "e" and the third login begins with "j" ... well, how the 
hell is this new paradigm better?  I mean, look, I plugged all this data 
into SeaMonkey so SM could remember it, not me.


WTFO?

The whole point of that function is (well, "was") so I don't have to 
remember, ok?  And now you guys broke it.  So I now have to remember all 
my logins in order to use SM's function.


Admit it.  You broke a perfectly good and useful function.

We can argue later about WHY you broke it.  But, admit it.  The function 
is broken.  The functionality is broken.  The usability is broken.


"Stupid modal window"?  Users don't care about that argument.  I care 
that I have a useful function on a Web site where I have 3 or 4 or 5 
different logins.  AND THE REASON I US SM AND IT'S LOGIN FUNCTION WAS 
... I DON'T WANNA HAVE TO REMEMBER THIS SHIT!!!


Got it now?

So, okay, modal windows have been deemed inelegant by the programmers. 
Fine.  No problem.


Tell you what.  Solve my problem and yours at the same time and I'll 
praise you.


Screw me with nonsensical programming arguments?  Sorry.  You can't 
support it.  There's no argument you can muster that says your argument 
outweighs normal usage like mine.


Tell me, please.  If a user of SM has 3 or 4 (or more) logins to a 
single site, and the whole purpose of using SM's password manager is to 
not have to remember any of those logins, so that when a user goes to a 
login URL he'll be tossed up a modal (sorry, "stupid" modal) window 
wherein he can go "Oh!  Right!  My wife's account!  No!  My account!  Oh 
no!!!  My daughter's account! Ooops! My son's account ..."


Hey.  If I wanted to keep all that shit in my brain I'd just use IE.  Or 
something else.  What the hell where you people thinking?


So, ok, please, tell me. Tell me, in my usage, how am I to employ the 
new SM paradigm?  How is this better for me?


And, please, tell me, how does this new and better paradigm work when I 
log into a site where I have 2, 3, 4 or 5 login identities and I can't 
remember how any of them start?



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Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - The Modern Internet Suite is Here!

[NoOp]

On 10/27/2009 06:57 PM, Philip Chee wrote:
> On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 18:37:53 -0700, NoOp wrote:
>> On 10/27/2009 03:27 AM, Robert Kaiser wrote:
>>> The SeaMonkey project at Mozilla is excited to release its completely 
>>> refurbished next generation of the all-in one Internet suite today: 
>>> SeaMonkey 2.0, now available for free download from the 
>>> seamonkey-project.org website, melds the ideas behind Netscape 
>>> Communicator with the modern platform of Firefox 3.5 to create one of 
>>> the most compelling open source products for advanced Internet users.
>> 
>> Well done! Any idea when a 64bit linux version will be available?
> 
> As soon as Hendikins gets off shift and gets back home to where his
> 64bit build machine lives.
> 
> Phil
> 

Thanks Phil.

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Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - The Modern Internet Suite is Here!

[NoOp]

On 10/27/2009 06:48 PM, Hartmut Figge wrote:
> NoOp:
> 
>>Well done! Any idea when a 64bit linux version will be available?
> 
> Well, there is seamonkey-2.0.source.tar.bz2 :)
> 
> Hart d&r mut

You always make it so hard for me (joke) :-)
http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/seamonkey/nightly/latest-comm-1.9.1/
[seamonkey-2.0.1pre.en-US.linux-x86_64.tar.bz2]
My 64bit tester is still using that w/o issues so far. I wish I could
build a 64bit test version on a 32bit VM machine, but haven't figured
out how to do that just yet :-)

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Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - The Modern Internet Suite is Here!

[Bret Busby]

On Wed, 28 Oct 2009, Bret Busby wrote:


Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 09:50:39 +0800 (WST)
From: Bret Busby 
To: support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org
Subject: Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - The Modern Internet Suite is Here!

On Tue, 27 Oct 2009, Robert Kaiser wrote:


Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 11:27:47 +0100
From: Robert Kaiser 
To: support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org
Newsgroups: mozilla.support.seamonkey, mozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey,
mozilla.support.seamonkey, mozilla.dev.planning,
mozilla.support.mozilla-suite, netscape.public.mozilla.seamonkey,
mozilla.dev.l10n
Subject: SeaMonkey 2.0 - The Modern Internet Suite is Here!

The SeaMonkey project at Mozilla is excited to release its completely 
refurbished next generation of the all-in one Internet suite today: 
SeaMonkey 2.0, now available for free download from the 
seamonkey-project.org website, melds the ideas behind Netscape Communicator 
with the modern platform of Firefox 3.5 to create one of the most 
compelling open source products for advanced Internet users.






Due to the reported problems, it seems a bit too problematic to update from 
1.1.18 to 2.0, now. Maybe people like me, who need to be consident that our 
systems are (relatively) stable, need to wait until 2.1 is released.




Ah, the word "consident", should have been "confident". Too much haste. 
And I have not yet been able to get spell checking in PINE, to work.


One thing that concerns me, is the use of the .tar.bz2 (files like that used 
to be .tar.gz - the .bz2 entended extension, seems a bit different) file, 
rather than a package file (like .deb), for Linux.


I run Ubuntu Linux 8.04LTS, Debian 5 Linux, and Windows XP with service packs 
(I believe that I have SP3, in addition to SP2, which I do know was 
installed, but I am not definite about SP3), although the Win XP should 
probably now be replaced with Win 7, so I think it is probably best, for 
stability, to wait until if and when Seamonkey 2 (or, even better, from the 
reporting of the problems, version 2.1, with all the bugs of version 2, 
fixed) makes it into the package repositories for the Linux distributions.


Also, it would need to be explicitly stated, that Seamonkey v2.x would 
definitely be able to be installed in parallel with an existing installation 
of 1.1.x, and, be able to import settings/profiles/history from v1.1.x, on 
each of the different operating systems, so that the two could be run in 
parallel (parallel implementation is alsways safest, in software 
development), to ensure that we do not lose data, as has been reported as 
having happened with other people who have upgraded from 1.1.18 to 2, or who 
have replaced 1.1.18 with 2.


--
Bret Busby
Armadale
West Australia
..

"So once you do know what the question actually is,
you'll know what the answer means."
- Deep Thought,
 Chapter 28 of Book 1 of
 "The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy:
 A Trilogy In Four Parts",
 written by Douglas Adams,
 published by Pan Books, 1992


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West Australia
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"So once you do know what the question actually is,
 you'll know what the answer means."
- Deep Thought,
  Chapter 28 of Book 1 of
  "The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy:
  A Trilogy In Four Parts",
  written by Douglas Adams,
  published by Pan Books, 1992


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Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - The Modern Internet Suite is Here!

[Philip Chee]

On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 18:37:53 -0700, NoOp wrote:
> On 10/27/2009 03:27 AM, Robert Kaiser wrote:
>> The SeaMonkey project at Mozilla is excited to release its completely 
>> refurbished next generation of the all-in one Internet suite today: 
>> SeaMonkey 2.0, now available for free download from the 
>> seamonkey-project.org website, melds the ideas behind Netscape 
>> Communicator with the modern platform of Firefox 3.5 to create one of 
>> the most compelling open source products for advanced Internet users.
> 
> Well done! Any idea when a 64bit linux version will be available?

As soon as Hendikins gets off shift and gets back home to where his
64bit build machine lives.

Phil

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Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - The Modern Internet Suite is Here!

[Bret Busby]

On Tue, 27 Oct 2009, Robert Kaiser wrote:


Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 11:27:47 +0100
From: Robert Kaiser 
To: support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org
Newsgroups: mozilla.support.seamonkey, mozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey,
mozilla.support.seamonkey, mozilla.dev.planning,
mozilla.support.mozilla-suite, netscape.public.mozilla.seamonkey,
mozilla.dev.l10n
Subject: SeaMonkey 2.0 - The Modern Internet Suite is Here!

The SeaMonkey project at Mozilla is excited to release its completely 
refurbished next generation of the all-in one Internet suite today: SeaMonkey 
2.0, now available for free download from the seamonkey-project.org website, 
melds the ideas behind Netscape Communicator with the modern platform of 
Firefox 3.5 to create one of the most compelling open source products for 
advanced Internet users.






Due to the reported problems, it seems a bit too problematic to update 
from 1.1.18 to 2.0, now. Maybe people like me, who need to be consident 
that our systems are (relatively) stable, need to wait until 2.1 is 
released.


One thing that concerns me, is the use of the .tar.bz2 (files like that 
used to be .tar.gz - the .bz2 entended extension, seems a bit different) 
file, rather than a package file (like .deb), for Linux.


I run Ubuntu Linux 8.04LTS, Debian 5 Linux, and Windows XP with service 
packs (I believe that I have SP3, in addition to SP2, which I do know 
was installed, but I am not definite about SP3), although the Win XP 
should probably now be replaced with Win 7, so I think it is probably 
best, for stability, to wait until if and when Seamonkey 2 (or, even 
better, from the reporting of the problems, version 2.1, with all the 
bugs of version 2, fixed) makes it into the package repositories for the 
Linux distributions.


Also, it would need to be explicitly stated, that Seamonkey v2.x would 
definitely be able to be installed in parallel with an existing 
installation of 1.1.x, and, be able to import settings/profiles/history 
from v1.1.x, on each of the different operating systems, so that the two 
could be run in parallel (parallel implementation is alsways safest, in 
software development), to ensure that we do not lose data, as has been 
reported as having happened with other people who have upgraded from 
1.1.18 to 2, or who have replaced 1.1.18 with 2.


--
Bret Busby
Armadale
West Australia
..

"So once you do know what the question actually is,
 you'll know what the answer means."
- Deep Thought,
  Chapter 28 of Book 1 of
  "The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy:
  A Trilogy In Four Parts",
  written by Douglas Adams,
  published by Pan Books, 1992


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Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - The Modern Internet Suite is Here!

[Hartmut Figge]

NoOp:

>Well done! Any idea when a 64bit linux version will be available?

Well, there is seamonkey-2.0.source.tar.bz2 :)

Hart d&r mut
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Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - The Modern Internet Suite is Here!

[NoOp]

On 10/27/2009 03:27 AM, Robert Kaiser wrote:
> The SeaMonkey project at Mozilla is excited to release its completely 
> refurbished next generation of the all-in one Internet suite today: 
> SeaMonkey 2.0, now available for free download from the 
> seamonkey-project.org website, melds the ideas behind Netscape 
> Communicator with the modern platform of Firefox 3.5 to create one of 
> the most compelling open source products for advanced Internet users.

Well done! Any idea when a 64bit linux version will be available?
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Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - The Modern Internet Suite is Here!

[Leonidas Jones]

Phillip Jones wrote:

»Q« wrote:

In ,
Robert Kaiser  wrote:


The SeaMonkey project at Mozilla is excited to release its completely
refurbished next generation of the all-in one Internet suite today:
SeaMonkey 2.0


Congratulations and thanks to everybody involved!


Now that it is Gold and SkyPilot and QuoteColors now works I'll have to
figure out how I can move my current setup in 1.1.8, over again. when I
was trying The Beta's for first time I had it copy over all my setup
from 1.1.8 Since I've only used the browser section after I found out
quote colors, didn't work and was deal breaker. Today I downloaded
Quotecolors and it works. So I now want to move on.

Besides the news and Email I've also added some filter rules. and other
items.

Can I completely remove the Profile Folder and do the import?



From what you are saying, you have already imported.  If you have 
another profile to import, do not delete the profile folder until you 
have imported the data.


Once you are happy with how 2.0 is working, it would be a good idea to 
delete the old profile folder, to save disk space.  If you have 
installed 2.0 anywhere other than Applications, move it to the 
Applications folder, and let it overwrite 1.1.8.


Lee
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Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - The Modern Internet Suite is Here!

[Phillip Jones]

»Q« wrote:

In ,
Robert Kaiser  wrote:

The SeaMonkey project at Mozilla is excited to release its completely 
refurbished next generation of the all-in one Internet suite today: 
SeaMonkey 2.0


Congratulations and thanks to everybody involved!

Now that it is Gold and SkyPilot and QuoteColors now works I'll have to 
figure out how I can move my current setup in 1.1.8, over again. when I 
was trying The Beta's for first time  I had it copy over all my setup 
from 1.1.8 Since I've only used the browser section after I found out 
quote colors, didn't work and was deal breaker. Today I downloaded 
Quotecolors and it works. So I now want to move on.


Besides the news and Email I've also added some filter rules.  and other 
items.


Can I completely remove the Profile Folder and  do the import?

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Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - The Modern Internet Suite is Here!

[»Q«]

In ,
Robert Kaiser  wrote:

> The SeaMonkey project at Mozilla is excited to release its completely 
> refurbished next generation of the all-in one Internet suite today: 
> SeaMonkey 2.0

Congratulations and thanks to everybody involved!

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Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - The Modern Internet Suite is Here!

[Leonidas Jones]

Tomas Thrainsson wrote:

On Oct 27, 10:30 am, Robert Kaiser  wrote:

Robert Kaiser wrote:

The SeaMonkey project at Mozilla is excited to release its completely
refurbished next generation of the all-in one Internet suite today


Oops, forgot another followup-to, please reply only to
mozilla.support.seamonkey!

Robert Kaiser


I'm sorry to say, but there's a problem with the latest release.

I upgraded it from 1.1.18 and after the upgrade I had a strange
occurrence.
Every time I try to run Seamonkey, it shuts down all by itself without
ever opening a window. I tried downloading it again without any
change.
I hope this gets addressed, because I really like this client, at
least up to now.

Tomas Thrainsson


Well, I just installed 2.0 final over the top of 1.1.14 on an XP box, 
snd all went very smoothly, so it is not a generic problem, but 
something about your system.


The best thing for you to do would be to post a separate topic, and give 
more information about your system, for example, what service packs are 
installed, and how you installed, over the top of the existing 
installation, or did you uninstall first, for example.


Posting a separate topic will get your problem more attention, rather 
then having it hide here in an announcement thread.


Lee
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Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - The Modern Internet Suite is Here!

[Tomas Thrainsson]

On Oct 27, 10:30 am, Robert Kaiser  wrote:
> Robert Kaiser wrote:
> > The SeaMonkey project at Mozilla is excited to release its completely
> > refurbished next generation of the all-in one Internet suite today
>
> Oops, forgot another followup-to, please reply only to
> mozilla.support.seamonkey!
>
> Robert Kaiser

I'm sorry to say, but there's a problem with the latest release.

I upgraded it from 1.1.18 and after the upgrade I had a strange
occurrence.
Every time I try to run Seamonkey, it shuts down all by itself without
ever opening a window. I tried downloading it again without any
change.
I hope this gets addressed, because I really like this client, at
least up to now.

Tomas Thrainsson
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Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - The Modern Internet Suite is Here!

[Craig]

On 10/27/2009 07:37 AM, Fred wrote:

Robert Kaiser skriver:

Robert Kaiser wrote:

The SeaMonkey project at Mozilla is excited to release its completely
refurbished next generation of the all-in one Internet suite today


Oops, forgot another followup-to, please reply only to
mozilla.support.seamonkey!

Robert Kaiser


Robert and the volunteers that made this possible cannot be thanked too
much!



Agreed.  Thank you Robert & all the other contributors to SeaMonkey!

-Craig
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Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - The Modern Internet Suite is Here!

[Thorsten Dorr]

Danke an alle die dies möglich gemacht haben :)

 ~~~ DANKE ~~~
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Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - The Modern Internet Suite is Here!

[Fred]

Robert Kaiser skriver:

Robert Kaiser wrote:

 The SeaMonkey project at Mozilla is excited to release its completely
 refurbished next generation of the all-in one Internet suite today


Oops, forgot another followup-to, please reply only to
mozilla.support.seamonkey!

Robert Kaiser


Robert and the volunteers that made this possible cannot be thanked too 
much!


Being a suite user for more than ten years, this is really a great day; 
Starting with Netscape Navigator Gold, then Netscape Communicator, then 
Mozilla Suite and finally SeaMonkey 1.0 - 2.0.


Stand-alone applications were never an alternative.

I've been using 2.0 for some months now and it's been a pleasure from 
the start; Feature-rich yet not bloated.


Thanks to you, the suite not only lives, it's healthier than ever before!

Fred
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Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - The Modern Internet Suite is Here!

[Mark Hansen]

On 10/27/09 03:27, Robert Kaiser wrote:
> The SeaMonkey project at Mozilla is excited to release its completely 
> refurbished next generation of the all-in one Internet suite today: 
> SeaMonkey 2.0, now available for free download from the 
> seamonkey-project.org website, melds the ideas behind Netscape 
> Communicator with the modern platform of Firefox 3.5 to create one of 
> the most compelling open source products for advanced Internet users.

Congratulations to Robert and the entire SeaMonkey team!
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Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - The Modern Internet Suite is Here!

[Leonidas Jones]

Robert Kaiser wrote:

The SeaMonkey project at Mozilla is excited to release its completely
refurbished next generation of the all-in one Internet suite today:
SeaMonkey 2.0, now available for free download from the
seamonkey-project.org website, melds the ideas behind Netscape
Communicator with the modern platform of Firefox 3.5 to create one of
the most compelling open source products for advanced Internet users.

The combination of an Internet browser, email & newsgroup client,
HTML editor, IRC chat and web development tools, that has already
established a wide user base in its previous incarnations, has been
rebuilt on top of the modern Mozilla platform, featuring world-class
add-on management among other things. In addition, it has been improved
with feed support (including an RSS and Atom feed reader in the mail
component), a modern look, restoration of browser tabs and windows after
crashes or restarts, tabbed mail, automated updates, smart history
search from the location bar, faster JavaScript, HTML5 features (for
example video and downloadable fonts), and even support for the
Lightning calendar add-on (which will issue a beta for installation on
SeaMonkey 2.0 in the next few weeks).

The release notes feature more in-depth lists of the improvements and
known issues with the new version as well as installation requirements
and instructions. Find even more information on SeaMonkey 2.0 and the
SeaMonkey project at seamonkey-project.org!


/snip/


Robert Kaiser
SeaMonkey project coordinator


This is truly great news, a great day for the old Netscape suite 
concept. My hearty congratulations to all who have worked so hard.


I am assuming that RC2 is the released version, since a check for 
updates from here found none.


Lee
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Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - The Modern Internet Suite is Here!

[M van Ketel]

dominique wrote:

Robert Kaiser wrote, On 10/27/2009 11:27 AM:

The SeaMonkey project at Mozilla is excited to release its completely
refurbished next generation of the all-in one Internet suite today:
SeaMonkey 2.0, now available for free download from the
seamonkey-project.org website, melds the ideas behind Netscape
Communicator with the modern platform of Firefox 3.5 to create one of
the most compelling open source products for advanced Internet users.

.../...

Robert Kaiser
SeaMonkey project coordinator


Congratulations to everyone contributing, and specially to you Robert !! 
Enjoy your vacations !! :)


Dominique


+1
Congratulations and many thanks to all who contributed to this program!

Mark

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Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - The Modern Internet Suite is Here!

[David Wilkinson]

Robert Kaiser wrote:

Robert Kaiser wrote:

The SeaMonkey project at Mozilla is excited to release its completely
refurbished next generation of the all-in one Internet suite today


Oops, forgot another followup-to, please reply only to 
mozilla.support.seamonkey!


Thanks, Robert, for all your efforts.

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Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - The Modern Internet Suite is Here!

[dominique]

Robert Kaiser wrote, On 10/27/2009 11:27 AM:

The SeaMonkey project at Mozilla is excited to release its completely
refurbished next generation of the all-in one Internet suite today:
SeaMonkey 2.0, now available for free download from the
seamonkey-project.org website, melds the ideas behind Netscape
Communicator with the modern platform of Firefox 3.5 to create one of
the most compelling open source products for advanced Internet users.

.../...

Robert Kaiser
SeaMonkey project coordinator


Congratulations to everyone contributing, and specially to you Robert !! 
Enjoy your vacations !! :)


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Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - The Modern Internet Suite is Here!

[Robert Kaiser]

Robert Kaiser wrote:

The SeaMonkey project at Mozilla is excited to release its completely
refurbished next generation of the all-in one Internet suite today


Oops, forgot another followup-to, please reply only to 
mozilla.support.seamonkey!


Robert Kaiser
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