Re: Seamonkey 2.53.6 - why does it block ad blocking and tracking blocking

2021-01-30 Thread Dirk Fieldhouse 

On 30/01/2021 05:24, Bret Busby wrote:

...> Bret Busby wrote:

"AdBlocker Ultimate could not be installed because it is not
compatible with Seamonkey 2.53.6"
(for version 2.26 of AdBlocker Ultimate, from the CAA library)

"AdBlocker for YouTube could not be installed because it is not
compatible with SeaMonkey 2.53.6."
(for version 0.2.3 of AdBlocker for YouTube from the CAA library)



It may be that the extension author set an upper limit on the SM version 
to be supported and 2.53.6 exceeds it, even though the extension might 
still work; alternatively, the author may not have included some trivial 
additions that would have enabled the extension for SM.


In either case you can try processing the extension with the online 
converter at .


If the conversion succeeds, the extension should be installable but may 
still not be functional; at least you tried. That means that the 
extension needs non-trivial changes to work with SM 2.53.6.


I would be careful about installing more than one ad-blocker as it will 
slow your browsing experience and there may be unwanted interactions, 
possibly even causing ad-blocking to fail.


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Re: Seamonkey 2.53.6 - why does it block ad blocking and tracking blocking

2021-01-29 Thread Bret Busby 
On 26/01/2021, Dirk Fieldhouse
 wrote:
> On 25/01/2021 18:57, Bret Busby wrote:
>> I am running
>>
>> User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101
>> Firefox/60.0 SeaMonkey/2.53.6
>> Build identifier: 20210118013008
>>
>> on UbuntuMATE Linux 20.10.
>>
>> Seamonkey does not allow ad blocking plugins like Adblock Plus and
>> Adblock Ultimate, etc, that are allowed by Firefox, and, a plugin name
>> "Bluehell Firewall" that apparently does ad blocking and tracking
>> blocking, is "not compatible with your version of Seamonkey.
>
> Bluhell Firewall 2.6.4 (FWIW an extension, not a plugin) works fine,
> certainly on 2.53.5.1 and earlier, but see below.
>


Now, here is an interesting observation.

Two computers, both running Seamonkey 2.53.6 (and, the same build
number) on UbuntuMATE Linux 20.10, one (running an i7 CPU) installed
the Bluhell firewall add-on, without any problem, and, the other
(running an i5 CPU), returns the error "This add-on is not compatible
with your version of Seamonkey".

Hmm.

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Re: Seamonkey 2.53.6 - why does it block ad blocking and tracking blocking

2021-01-28 Thread Rubens via support-seamonkey 






It is not plugins, but extensions that do the ad and tracking blocking. uBlock 
Origin still works well with SeaMonkey.



Same here.
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Re: Seamonkey 2.53.6 - why does it block ad blocking and tracking blocking

2021-01-26 Thread EE 

Bret Busby wrote:

Hello.

I am running
"
User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 
Firefox/60.0 SeaMonkey/2.53.6

Build identifier: 20210118013008
"
on UbuntuMATE Linux 20.10.

Seamonkey does not allow ad blocking plugins like Adblock Plus and 
Adblock Ultimate, etc, that are allowed by Firefox, and, a plugin name 
"Bluehell Firewall" that apparently does ad blocking and tracking 
blocking, is "not compatible with your version of Seamonkey.


A strip had been appearing across the top of the window, for a 
particular web site, and, it had displayed
"Parts of the page that track your online activity were blocked Blocking>"


In using a wireless mouse, that goes to sleep, when not in use, and, 
which requires to be clicked, to awaken it, in one instance, after 
logging in to the computer again, and, clicking the mouse, to awaken it, 
it apparently clicked on the "Unblock" option, which was then, 
implemented without confirmation being requested, and, I cannot restore 
the tracking blocking for that web site, and, so, now, I have even more 
problems with that web site, more than usual. It is one of those web 
site that can be useful when it behaves itself, but, is otherwise, 
problematic (and, apparently, as is revealed, a bit malicious).


The strip across the top of the window, no longer appears for that web 
site, and, in going into the web browser preferences, I can not find a 
way to restore the ad  blocking and tracking blocking, for that web site.


Why is Seamonkey blocking the ad blocking and he tracking blocking?

Why does Seamonkey not allow the plugins that  have mentioned, to work 
with this version of Seamonkey?


In that strip that no longer is displayed for that web site, on another 
web page, where the strip is displayed (sinister state government 
parliamentary web site), clicking on the Preferences button in the 
strip, to find whether I can remove the unblocking for the offending 
URL, has no effect; the "Preferences" button only takes me to the 
Preferences -> Privacy & Security menu.


And, in the Preferences -> Privacy & Security menu, are the two options;
"()Prevent tracking activities by known sites
() Warn me when known tracking activities were detected"
with the second option being able to be implemented, only when the first 
option is implemented.


But, unchecking both of those, and, then, checking them again, does not 
restore the ad blocking and tracking blocking, where it was 
inadvertently unblocked.


And, no option is apparent, for listing/editing blocked or unblocked web 
sites or URL's.


It is not plugins, but extensions that do the ad and tracking blocking. 
uBlock Origin still works well with SeaMonkey.


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Re: Seamonkey 2.53.6 - why does it block ad blocking and tracking blocking

2021-01-26 Thread NFN Smith 

Bret Busby wrote:

Hello.

I am running
"
User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 
Firefox/60.0 SeaMonkey/2.53.6

Build identifier: 20210118013008
"
on UbuntuMATE Linux 20.10.

Seamonkey does not allow ad blocking plugins like Adblock Plus and 
Adblock Ultimate, etc, that are allowed by Firefox, and, a plugin name 
"Bluehell Firewall" that apparently does ad blocking and tracking 
blocking, is "not compatible with your version of Seamonkey.


The difference between "plugin" and "extension" is important.  A plugin 
is something that is installed as a stand-alone tool through the normal 
software installation processes of your operating system, and then makes 
itself available to run from inside Seamonkey.  An extension is 
something that's installed from inside the browser.  As far as I'm 
aware, the only plugin that Seamonkey 2.53.6 supports is Adobe Flash, 
and I believe that the developers are planning to remove that support in 
an upcoming version (perhaps as early as 2.53.7).


For extension problems, I believe that you're bumping into the Mozilla 
architectural changes made to extensions handling.  Those were 
introduced with Firefox 2.55 (where 2.55 and 2.56 allowed for both old 
and new), and since Firefox 57, only the newer structure is available in 
Firefox.


The specific changes that happened were that Mozilla has shifted from 
using the XUL API to WebExtensions, as used by Google Chrome.  I haven't 
actually tried it, but my understanding is that both Chrome and Firefox 
can now run the same extensions.  Thunderbird also supported both APIs 
up until 78.0, but now supports only the newer WebExtensions.


With this development, Mozilla has removed all the older XUL extensions 
from addons.mozilla.org.  With the transition of Seamonkey (and 
Thunderbird) away from Mozilla's support infrastructure, you can find 
some extensions that work in Seamonkey at 
https://addons.thunderbird.net/en-US/seamonkey/ .


If you take a look at the Release Notes at 
https://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.53.6/ and go to 
the Extensions section, there are notes about some of the most popular 
extensions, particularly Enigmail, uBlock Origin, NoScript Classic, and 
Session Manager, which include links to the most recent versions that 
are working in Seamonkey.


As noted in a separate response, you can get access to a much wider 
selection of XUL extensions by installing the Classic Addons Archive.




Why is Seamonkey blocking the ad blocking and he tracking blocking?


Make sure you're running extensions that are still compatible with 
Seamonkey.  The Release Notes explicitly note that AdBlock Plus does not 
work well with Seamonkey, and recommend use of uBlock Plus, instead.



I will note that I do follow the notes from the Developers' regular 
meetings, and that adding support for WebExtensions is intended, but 
that it's a big enough undertaking for the limited number of 
contributors, that that's not going to happen any time soon.



Smith
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Re: Seamonkey 2.53.6 - why does it block ad blocking and tracking blocking

2021-01-26 Thread Bret Busby 

On 26/1/21 10:08 pm, Dirk Fieldhouse wrote:

On 25/01/2021 18:57, Bret Busby wrote:

I am running

User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 
Firefox/60.0 SeaMonkey/2.53.6

Build identifier: 20210118013008

on UbuntuMATE Linux 20.10.

Seamonkey does not allow ad blocking plugins like Adblock Plus and 
Adblock Ultimate, etc, that are allowed by Firefox, and, a plugin name 
"Bluehell Firewall" that apparently does ad blocking and tracking 
blocking, is "not compatible with your version of Seamonkey.


Bluhell Firewall 2.6.4 (FWIW an extension, not a plugin) works fine, 
certainly on 2.53.5.1 and earlier, but see below.


A strip had been appearing across the top of the window, for a 
particular web site, and, it had displayed
"Parts of the page that track your online activity were blocked Blocking>"

...
The strip across the top of the window, no longer appears for that web 
site, and, in going into the web browser preferences, I can not find a 
way to restore the ad  blocking and tracking blocking, for that web site.


Why is Seamonkey blocking the ad blocking and he tracking blocking?


Keep Blocking uses the settings from Preferences>Privacy & Security. 
Unblock grants permissions that you can revoke or otherwise modify 
through Tools>Data Manager, select site, Permissions tab. That may be 
what you're looking for. SM doesn't have ad-blocking built in.





Thank you for that.

In using that process, and, changing the settings for the three 
variables, to default (global for Seamonkey), the settings are restored, 
and, the tracking warning strip is again displayed.


Regarding the ad blocking, without the tracking blocking being 
operative, ads would be displayed on the web page; with the tracking 
blocking being again operative, the ads are again stopped from being 
displayed.


It may be that the displaying of the ads, is dependent on the tracking; 
that, for that web site, at least (if not others, where I also see the 
tracking blocking warning strip displayed), the ads rely on context, 
without which, they are not displayed?


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Re: Seamonkey 2.53.6 - why does it block ad blocking and tracking blocking

2021-01-26 Thread Dirk Fieldhouse 

On 25/01/2021 18:57, Bret Busby wrote:

I am running

User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 
Firefox/60.0 SeaMonkey/2.53.6

Build identifier: 20210118013008

on UbuntuMATE Linux 20.10.

Seamonkey does not allow ad blocking plugins like Adblock Plus and 
Adblock Ultimate, etc, that are allowed by Firefox, and, a plugin name 
"Bluehell Firewall" that apparently does ad blocking and tracking 
blocking, is "not compatible with your version of Seamonkey.


Bluhell Firewall 2.6.4 (FWIW an extension, not a plugin) works fine, 
certainly on 2.53.5.1 and earlier, but see below.


A strip had been appearing across the top of the window, for a 
particular web site, and, it had displayed
"Parts of the page that track your online activity were blocked Blocking>"

...
The strip across the top of the window, no longer appears for that web 
site, and, in going into the web browser preferences, I can not find a 
way to restore the ad  blocking and tracking blocking, for that web site.


Why is Seamonkey blocking the ad blocking and he tracking blocking?


Keep Blocking uses the settings from Preferences>Privacy & Security. 
Unblock grants permissions that you can revoke or otherwise modify 
through Tools>Data Manager, select site, Permissions tab. That may be 
what you're looking for. SM doesn't have ad-blocking built in.


Why does Seamonkey not allow the plugins that  have mentioned, to work 
with this version of Seamonkey?

>

You may be trying to install WebExtensions versions of extensions where 
SM (currently) supports the classic extensions API (FF 52ESR and 
earlier). Until SM supports WebExtensions, install the Classic Add-ons 
Archive extension  and use the 
versions from the archive.


/df

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