Re: yEnc
Cruz, Jaime wrote: I thought the standard was to have the word yEnc in the subject line if someone used that crappy algorithm to embed binaries in a Usenet post. Apparently there are people who post yEnc attachments without coding the appropriate flag in the subject. I set up a message filter to discard anything with yEnc in the subject, but how can I set up a filter to discard anything that starts with =ybegin in the message body? I have used Nfilter for such uses, but it is an old cranky program. You can set it to avoid messages sent from a specific site, or from Yahoo, or from specific persons, certain words in the heading, even for posts sent to more than, say, two different newsgroups. Not sure about for certain words in the message, though. -- G.W. Ross Indecision is the key to flexibility. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: yEnc
Rufus wrote: David E. Ross wrote: On 9/2/12 5:56 PM, Rufus wrote: Cruz, Jaime wrote: I thought the standard was to have the word yEnc in the subject line if someone used that crappy algorithm to embed binaries in a Usenet post. Apparently there are people who post yEnc attachments without coding the appropriate flag in the subject. I set up a message filter to discard anything with yEnc in the subject, but how can I set up a filter to discard anything that starts with =ybegin in the message body? Allegedly you can set up a Custom filter header, but I've never seemed to be able to get that to work...in Filters/Edit/Customize I'd set up a Header called Body or Message then add a Filter entry for if Body/Message Contains =ybegin, Delete Message. Anyway, that's what I'd try - if I've got it wrong (most likely the Body/Message Header reference...that seems too easy) and anyone knows better, please enlighten the both of us. I'd like to use this sort of thing myself! I'm not sure, but I think the filters work only on headers. Yeah - that's where I get confused. The Customize dialog says new message header; does that mean a system generated header in the message, or the new header label that the user adds which appears in the drop-down list? It works with Subject, To, From, Date, and Size by default - how do those relate to header information? Yeah, I've checked the full, raw E-Mail and nowhere is there a header that says Body: or Message: so I don't think it'll work... -- Jaime A. Cruz Secretary Nassau Wings Motorcycle Club http://www.nassauwings.org/ AMA District 34 http://www.AMADistrict34.com/ Pop's Run http://www.popsrun.org/ ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: yEnc
Cruz, Jaime wrote: Rufus wrote: David E. Ross wrote: On 9/2/12 5:56 PM, Rufus wrote: Cruz, Jaime wrote: I thought the standard was to have the word yEnc in the subject line if someone used that crappy algorithm to embed binaries in a Usenet post. Apparently there are people who post yEnc attachments without coding the appropriate flag in the subject. I set up a message filter to discard anything with yEnc in the subject, but how can I set up a filter to discard anything that starts with =ybegin in the message body? Allegedly you can set up a Custom filter header, but I've never seemed to be able to get that to work...in Filters/Edit/Customize I'd set up a Header called Body or Message then add a Filter entry for if Body/Message Contains =ybegin, Delete Message. Anyway, that's what I'd try - if I've got it wrong (most likely the Body/Message Header reference...that seems too easy) and anyone knows better, please enlighten the both of us. I'd like to use this sort of thing myself! I'm not sure, but I think the filters work only on headers. Yeah - that's where I get confused. The Customize dialog says new message header; does that mean a system generated header in the message, or the new header label that the user adds which appears in the drop-down list? It works with Subject, To, From, Date, and Size by default - how do those relate to header information? Yeah, I've checked the full, raw E-Mail and nowhere is there a header that says Body: or Message: so I don't think it'll work... And when I look at Show Headers All I can't find one that says Size. Maybe there's something in Content Type or another Header you could key on? -- - Rufus ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: yEnc
Cruz, Jaime wrote: Rufus wrote: David E. Ross wrote: On 9/2/12 5:56 PM, Rufus wrote: Cruz, Jaime wrote: I thought the standard was to have the word yEnc in the subject line if someone used that crappy algorithm to embed binaries in a Usenet post. Apparently there are people who post yEnc attachments without coding the appropriate flag in the subject. I set up a message filter to discard anything with yEnc in the subject, but how can I set up a filter to discard anything that starts with =ybegin in the message body? Allegedly you can set up a Custom filter header, but I've never seemed to be able to get that to work...in Filters/Edit/Customize I'd set up a Header called Body or Message then add a Filter entry for if Body/Message Contains =ybegin, Delete Message. Anyway, that's what I'd try - if I've got it wrong (most likely the Body/Message Header reference...that seems too easy) and anyone knows better, please enlighten the both of us. I'd like to use this sort of thing myself! I'm not sure, but I think the filters work only on headers. Yeah - that's where I get confused. The Customize dialog says new message header; does that mean a system generated header in the message, or the new header label that the user adds which appears in the drop-down list? It works with Subject, To, From, Date, and Size by default - how do those relate to header information? Yeah, I've checked the full, raw E-Mail and nowhere is there a header that says Body: or Message: so I don't think it'll work... I just took a try at my own suggestion, and it doesn't work...:( -- - Rufus ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: yEnc
Cruz, Jaime wrote: I thought the standard was to have the word yEnc in the subject line if someone used that crappy algorithm to embed binaries in a Usenet post. Apparently there are people who post yEnc attachments without coding the appropriate flag in the subject. I set up a message filter to discard anything with yEnc in the subject, but how can I set up a filter to discard anything that starts with =ybegin in the message body? Allegedly you can set up a Custom filter header, but I've never seemed to be able to get that to work...in Filters/Edit/Customize I'd set up a Header called Body or Message then add a Filter entry for if Body/Message Contains =ybegin, Delete Message. Anyway, that's what I'd try - if I've got it wrong (most likely the Body/Message Header reference...that seems too easy) and anyone knows better, please enlighten the both of us. I'd like to use this sort of thing myself! -- - Rufus ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: yEnc
David E. Ross wrote: On 9/2/12 5:56 PM, Rufus wrote: Cruz, Jaime wrote: I thought the standard was to have the word yEnc in the subject line if someone used that crappy algorithm to embed binaries in a Usenet post. Apparently there are people who post yEnc attachments without coding the appropriate flag in the subject. I set up a message filter to discard anything with yEnc in the subject, but how can I set up a filter to discard anything that starts with =ybegin in the message body? Allegedly you can set up a Custom filter header, but I've never seemed to be able to get that to work...in Filters/Edit/Customize I'd set up a Header called Body or Message then add a Filter entry for if Body/Message Contains =ybegin, Delete Message. Anyway, that's what I'd try - if I've got it wrong (most likely the Body/Message Header reference...that seems too easy) and anyone knows better, please enlighten the both of us. I'd like to use this sort of thing myself! I'm not sure, but I think the filters work only on headers. Yeah - that's where I get confused. The Customize dialog says new message header; does that mean a system generated header in the message, or the new header label that the user adds which appears in the drop-down list? It works with Subject, To, From, Date, and Size by default - how do those relate to header information? -- - Rufus ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Yenc decoder
Interviewed by CNN on 21/2/2010 15:47, Rick Merrill told the world: Only advantage of yenc is that it can break up a posting into several parts and the user can put them together again. Actually, no, it does that in a very brain-damaged way, by relying on the SUBJECT line. There are better ways of doing that. And it also identifies the data block in a way that's only a slight improvement on the way UUENCODE uses, while MIME has solved that problem ages ago. Because of this, there's a problem with yEnc sometimes being detected as binary and being re-encoded as Base64, which not only negates the yEnc size advantage but may end up breaking the attachments. There's a proposal to use yEnc encoding within a MIME framework. That could be nice, since the real advantage of yEnc is that it uses 8-bit encoding, instead of the 6-bit encoding used by Base64. Unfortunately, current Usenet binary groups seem stuck into the it's good enough mindset and nobody is trying to finish the proposal. -- MCBastos This message has been protected with the 2ROT13 algorithm. Unauthorized use will be prosecuted under the DMCA. -=-=- ... BOFH excuse #298: Not enough interrupts *Added by TagZilla 0.066.2 running on Seamonkey 2.0.3 * Get it at http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modifiedmailnews.html#tagzilla ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Yenc decoder
Juiceman wrote: Im wondering why Seamonky has never had a yEnc decoder built into the program? Also why people post yEnc pictures? Does yEnc encoded pictures save that much space or bandwidth? Might I humbly suggest that if you want to do binaries, you read those groups with pan. It handles virtually all of the diverging variants of yenc, and is particularly good at displaying or saving binaries. I will add that for text newgroups it is one of the least-featured clients I have used, and as a former head of a national ISP news server group I got to test a lot in handling user complaints. -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked. - from Slashdot ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Yenc decoder
Interviewed by CNN on 20/2/2010 15:49, Juiceman told the world: Im wondering why Seamonky has never had a yEnc decoder built into the program? Also why people post yEnc pictures? Does yEnc encoded pictures save that much space or bandwidth? Well, the Mozilla project is all for following (and fostering) standards. The problem is that yEnc is not a recognized standard -- and besides, it has serious design flaws. And you should think twice about implementing/endorsing a spec that *its own author* criticizes... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/YEnc http://www.faerber.muc.de/temp/20020304-yenc-harmful.html -- MCBastos This message has been protected with the 2ROT13 algorithm. Unauthorized use will be prosecuted under the DMCA. -=-=- ... BOFH excuse #407: Route flapping at the NAP. *Added by TagZilla 0.066.2 running on Seamonkey 2.0.3 * Get it at http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modifiedmailnews.html#tagzilla ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Yenc decoder
MCBastos wrote: Interviewed by CNN on 20/2/2010 15:49, Juiceman told the world: Im wondering why Seamonky has never had a yEnc decoder built into the program? Also why people post yEnc pictures? Does yEnc encoded pictures save that much space or bandwidth? Well, the Mozilla project is all for following (and fostering) standards. The problem is that yEnc is not a recognized standard -- and besides, it has serious design flaws. And you should think twice about implementing/endorsing a spec that *its own author* criticizes... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/YEnc http://www.faerber.muc.de/temp/20020304-yenc-harmful.html Only advantage of yenc is that it can break up a posting into several parts and the user can put them together again. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Yenc decoder
In news:ppadncogg-du4hzwnz2dnuvz_hbi4...@mozilla.org, Rick Merrill rick0.merr...@gmail.nospam.com wrote: MCBastos wrote: Interviewed by CNN on 20/2/2010 15:49, Juiceman told the world: Im wondering why Seamonky has never had a yEnc decoder built into the program? Also why people post yEnc pictures? Does yEnc encoded pictures save that much space or bandwidth? Well, the Mozilla project is all for following (and fostering) standards. The problem is that yEnc is not a recognized standard -- and besides, it has serious design flaws. And you should think twice about implementing/endorsing a spec that *its own author* criticizes... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/YEnc http://www.faerber.muc.de/temp/20020304-yenc-harmful.html Only advantage of yenc is that it can break up a posting into several parts and the user can put them together again. No, that can be done with the MIME encodings as well. The advantage of yEncoding is the size/bandwidth saved. -- »Q« /\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign\ / against html e-mail X http://www.asciiribbon.org/ / \ ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Yenc decoder
Rick Merrill wrote: MCBastos wrote: Interviewed by CNN on 20/2/2010 15:49, Juiceman told the world: Im wondering why Seamonky has never had a yEnc decoder built into the program? Also why people post yEnc pictures? Does yEnc encoded pictures save that much space or bandwidth? Well, the Mozilla project is all for following (and fostering) standards. The problem is that yEnc is not a recognized standard -- and besides, it has serious design flaws. And you should think twice about implementing/endorsing a spec that *its own author* criticizes... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/YEnc http://www.faerber.muc.de/temp/20020304-yenc-harmful.html Only advantage of yenc is that it can break up a posting into several parts and the user can put them together again. Not true ... My ISP did not permit me to have all the parts ... it's always at least one part missing ! ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Yenc decoder
In news:lzsdneccf6uivr3wnz2dnuvz_oodn...@mozilla.org, Juiceman wrote: Im wondering why Seamonky has never had a yEnc decoder built into the program? Handling big binary newsgroups has never been a priority with Mozilla newsreaders. Also why people post yEnc pictures? Does yEnc encoded pictures save that much space or bandwidth? Yes. -- »Q« /\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign\ / against html e-mail X http://www.asciiribbon.org/ / \ ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Yenc decoder
Juiceman wrote: Im wondering why Seamonky has never had a yEnc decoder built into the program? Also why people post yEnc pictures? Does yEnc encoded pictures save that much space or bandwidth? From what I've seen, yEnc isn't particularly well supported...or standardized. I subscribe to several 3D artists binary groups and sometimes I can see yEnc posts with SM and sometimes I can't - I generally chalk this up to some server in the chain not knowing what to do with yEnc, or a poster switching to a newer version of yEnc that a server (or client) hasn't kept up with. I've seen that on several occasions when I've been able to see someones posts and suddenly can't - the poster then usually comes back and states that he has upgraded or switched versions. ...what I'd rather see is SM being able to support multi-threaded images; ones which are too large and are automatically broken into serial posts. That should be more doable. -- - Rufus ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Yenc decoder
Rufus wrote: Juiceman wrote: Im wondering why Seamonky has never had a yEnc decoder built into the program? Also why people post yEnc pictures? Does yEnc encoded pictures save that much space or bandwidth? From what I've seen, yEnc isn't particularly well supported...or standardized. I subscribe to several 3D artists binary groups and sometimes I can see yEnc posts with SM and sometimes I can't - I generally chalk this up to some server in the chain not knowing what to do with yEnc, or a poster switching to a newer version of yEnc that a server (or client) hasn't kept up with. I've seen that on several occasions when I've been able to see someones posts and suddenly can't - the poster then usually comes back and states that he has upgraded or switched versions. ...what I'd rather see is SM being able to support multi-threaded images; ones which are too large and are automatically broken into serial posts. That should be more doable. I agree with serial post idea. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
