Re: SeaMonkey Composer problems with setting colors, and text size etc, etc.
Geoff Welsh pounded out : Patrick Turner wrote: Daniel Aug 6 (12 hours ago) On 06/08/14 18:40, Patrick Turner wrote: Snip Looking at your coding of your home page, I see plenty ofbig's and /big's but, at a casual glance, I don't see any base font size declared, so if you have your SeaMonkey set up to use, say, 9pt font it would appear smaller if you had Chrome set up to use a base font size of 12pt!! Check Edit-Preferences-Appearance-Fonts to check your settings. I just checked if I could get menu including appearance in an open SeaMonkey page, and no, I cannot, I can go Edit- preferences, then nothing about appearances. Patrick, when you click Edit, then click Preferences and new screen should open up with several topics on the left, the top of these is Appearance ... click the arrowhead to its left and four sub sections will show up, the second of which is Fonts ...select it and then you should see where you can change your font sizes. Yes, you're right. If I opened SM in composer mode without opening one of my pages, I could adjust text size from 16 down to 12, and that made my pages I'd composed recently look OK, BUT, In Firefox, text looked too small, so I had to zoom out - a bit - and this increases size of images to being too large, and so zoom applies itself to images when i damn well don't want it to. Still no ability to display colors of text or background while in SM composer. And when trying to change text colors in SM, one can select some text, select black, and save the change and yet that text appears blue in Chrome. So I go back and the only way to change colors of the small part of text is by 'select all' and change all colors to black, then change parts of text I want in different colors. Programs are supposed to work so only a positive outcome is possible, and use has consistent rules. So both Firefox and SM are still primitive. that's completely backwards thinking. You're not understanding that we have complete control, as a user of a web browser, to change how web pages appear, regardless of the authors intention. eg you have specified Arial font dozens of times throughout the page, but if I do not select allow web pages to set fonts in the SM Preferences, I will not see Arial. Also, using a horrendously outdated product like the discontinued Composer section of SM to edit a pages code is not helping matters. If you try to change a color or size using incorrect or outdated syntax/code you cannot blame a modern browser for how it ends up. GW Another problem is that the page has been edited in Microsoft Word. p class=MsoNormal style=background: none repeat scroll 0% 50% rgb(255, 222, 173); -moz-background-inline-policy: continuous; font-family: Arial; And further ... http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http://www.turneraudio.com.au/ -- Ed Mullen http://edmullen.net/ All I ask is a chance to prove that money can't make me happy. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey Composer problems with setting colors, and text size etc, etc.
Patrick, While everyone's comments are valid what I get is your using Mozilla just for Composer? Composer is ancient code that hasn't been maintained in a dog's age. It spun off to the now abandoned Komposer/Nvu That code was then abandoned and replaced with Blue Griffin. http://bluegriffon.org/ Nothing much has happened with Blue Griffin for about a year now so I am not sure what Daniel Glazman is up to these days. If your wanting the composer like interface and heritage for composing web sites than your best bet is probably to use Blue griffon or possibly Nvu as it is much more up to date. Thanks for your advice. I downloaded Bluegriffon as you mentioned above but when I tried to use it there were more shortcomings than with SeaMonkey. For example, I could not set the size of text. Damn page I worked on was in its own separate sub window. There was much to dislike. Preferences are under tools menu, and quite useless. What BG seemed to have are a shirttrouzer load of bells and whistles I don't need or want. Setting text colors worked, but color change didn't change on screen, changing text size wasn't possible - it just shows black text only. All basic stuff this, but no, Youse Carnt Avvit. So, seems I have to un-install the BG. Meanwhile, the SM 2.26 which I'd downloaded recently wasn't in my program files. BUT, when I went Control Panel, add/remove programs, there it was, listed, so I might assume its what the PC is using, and not mixed up with other earlier SM. Maybe I can muddle through by using whatever settings it takes in SM composer so I get ALL my pages to open up OK in Chrome, with same size text, and regardless of how it looks in Firefox or SN browser mode. I can't try Internet Explorer any longer because if I do, the PC freezes, and must be lotsa shit behind the scenes with goodness knows what malware, none of which could be removed by anyt-malware programs or AVG. I'll do a Google to see what else might work as WYSIWYG. I recall that someone here tried to get me interested FrontPage, and someone else said Opera, and all these ppl telling me things which were worse than plain old Netscape Composer I used way back in 2001 for the 3 pages which formed Edition 1 of my then primitive website. If it wasn't better than Netscape, I would not use it. I know I'm a dope though, I've tried lots of stuff I just didn't get, like simulation programs for circuitry. Most are so terribly awkward to use, and so much MORE DOPEY than I am, hell, NO, just work it out like they did in 1955, maybe do a bread board test, AND THEN I knew far more about a circuit's function than any CAD program could predict. Wot Ya Test Is Wot Ya get.Brain in my head does the rest. Regards to all. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey Composer problems with setting colors, and text size etc, etc.
Patrick Turner wrote: Daniel Aug 6 (12 hours ago) On 06/08/14 18:40, Patrick Turner wrote: Snip Looking at your coding of your home page, I see plenty ofbig's and /big's but, at a casual glance, I don't see any base font size declared, so if you have your SeaMonkey set up to use, say, 9pt font it would appear smaller if you had Chrome set up to use a base font size of 12pt!! Check Edit-Preferences-Appearance-Fonts to check your settings. I just checked if I could get menu including appearance in an open SeaMonkey page, and no, I cannot, I can go Edit- preferences, then nothing about appearances. Patrick, when you click Edit, then click Preferences and new screen should open up with several topics on the left, the top of these is Appearance ... click the arrowhead to its left and four sub sections will show up, the second of which is Fonts ...select it and then you should see where you can change your font sizes. Yes, you're right. If I opened SM in composer mode without opening one of my pages, I could adjust text size from 16 down to 12, and that made my pages I'd composed recently look OK, BUT, In Firefox, text looked too small, so I had to zoom out - a bit - and this increases size of images to being too large, and so zoom applies itself to images when i damn well don't want it to. Still no ability to display colors of text or background while in SM composer. And when trying to change text colors in SM, one can select some text, select black, and save the change and yet that text appears blue in Chrome. So I go back and the only way to change colors of the small part of text is by 'select all' and change all colors to black, then change parts of text I want in different colors. Programs are supposed to work so only a positive outcome is possible, and use has consistent rules. So both Firefox and SM are still primitive. that's completely backwards thinking. You're not understanding that we have complete control, as a user of a web browser, to change how web pages appear, regardless of the authors intention. eg you have specified Arial font dozens of times throughout the page, but if I do not select allow web pages to set fonts in the SM Preferences, I will not see Arial. Also, using a horrendously outdated product like the discontinued Composer section of SM to edit a pages code is not helping matters. If you try to change a color or size using incorrect or outdated syntax/code you cannot blame a modern browser for how it ends up. GW ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
SeaMonkey Composer problems with setting colors, and text size etc, etc.
Hi all, I'm new here today, and I recently downloaded SeaMonkey 2.26, which seemed to download OK, and I could run it, and I assume its has replaced previous versions of SeaMonkey. I only use SeaMonkey composer. I have a 50MB+ website which uses SeaMonkey. http://www.turneraudio.com.au I have problems controlling how both SeaMonkey and Firefox view my recently composed pages, and text and images are displayed too large so I try to set zoom to 80% and that makes it look right, but while in composer I can't change the size of everything, and colors don't appear. If I use Firefox to browse my own pages to look for faults the different colors of text and background don't appear, and page is too big, everything enlarged too much. If I use basic Chrome to view my pages, the text is OK but a size too small. But images look just right as they do when I view then in MS paint where I prepared many .gif schematics. I'm no html expert, but somehow SeaMonkey Composer just ain't working properly to give me colors and sizes to allow 100% predictable results which are the same when using Chrome, Firefox or SeaMonkey in browser mode. They should be all the same. But I ain't getting to see what I really will get when I compose. Should I uninstall all of existing SeaMonkey stuff, then start all over again with downloading SeaMonkey or should I just give up, and try some other WYSIWYG web page maker? Patrick Turner. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey Composer problems with setting colors, and text size etc, etc.
Patrick Turner wrote, On 06/08/2014 07:55: Hi all, I'm new here today, and I recently downloaded SeaMonkey 2.26, which seemed to download OK, and I could run it, and I assume its has replaced previous versions of SeaMonkey. Why did you not uninstall the previous version before installing the new one ? ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey Composer problems with setting colors, and text size etc, etc.
On 06/08/14 15:55, Patrick Turner wrote: Hi all, I'm new here today, and I recently downloaded SeaMonkey 2.26, which seemed to download OK, and I could run it, and I assume its has replaced previous versions of SeaMonkey. I only use SeaMonkey composer. I have a 50MB+ website which uses SeaMonkey. http://www.turneraudio.com.au I have problems controlling how both SeaMonkey and Firefox view my recently composed pages, and text and images are displayed too large so I try to set zoom to 80% and that makes it look right, but while in composer I can't change the size of everything, and colors don't appear. If I use Firefox to browse my own pages to look for faults the different colors of text and background don't appear, and page is too big, everything enlarged too much. If I use basic Chrome to view my pages, the text is OK but a size too small. But images look just right as they do when I view then in MS paint where I prepared many .gif schematics. I'm no html expert, but somehow SeaMonkey Composer just ain't working properly to give me colors and sizes to allow 100% predictable results which are the same when using Chrome, Firefox or SeaMonkey in browser mode. They should be all the same. But I ain't getting to see what I really will get when I compose. Should I uninstall all of existing SeaMonkey stuff, then start all over again with downloading SeaMonkey or should I just give up, and try some other WYSIWYG web page maker? Patrick Turner. Valves, Valves, Valves!! (I did my Electronic training just as transistors were taking over from Valves, at least at low power levels. 1973-75) Looking at your coding of your home page, I see plenty of big's and /big's but, at a casual glance, I don't see any base font size declared, so if you have your SeaMonkey set up to use, say, 9pt font it would appear smaller if you had Chrome set up to use a base font size of 12pt!! Check Edit-Preferences-Appearance-Fonts to check your settings. -- Daniel Living just South of you, on the Mighty Murray River!! User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:29.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/29.0 SeaMonkey/2.26 Build identifier: 20140415200419 or User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:29.0) Gecko/20100101 SeaMonkey/2.26 Build identifier: 20140408191805 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey Composer problems with setting colors, and text size etc, etc.
Ray_Net 16:19 (1 hour ago) Patrick Turner wrote, On 06/08/2014 07:55: Hi all, I'm new here today, and I recently downloaded SeaMonkey 2.26, which seemed to download OK, and I could run it, and I assume its has replaced previous versions of SeaMonkey. Why did you not uninstall the previous version before installing the new one ? I did not see any instructions to download at the SeaMonkey site. I assumed the new would replace the old, or upgrade it. But with PC matters I am usually wrong until proven otherwise, and probably I should have assumed I should get rid of all SeaMonkey before downloading the 2.26. But just what to assume? OK, so I tell of my experience to others who may know more than me, and see what happens.. Patrick Turner ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey Composer problems with setting colors, and text size etc, etc.
Valves, Valves, Valves!! (I did my Electronic training just as transistors were taking over from Valves, at least at low power levels. 1973-75) I spent an interesting 18 years making audio systems which appealed to some very fussy customers who mostly preferred tube powered amplifiers. I gained whatever insight I might along the way and posted up the results and despite vacuum tubes being old tech like steam engines, the tubes do wonders with music, so I have been told so often. Looking at your coding of your home page, I see plenty of big's and /big's but, at a casual glance, I don't see any base font size declared, so if you have your SeaMonkey set up to use, say, 9pt font it would appear smaller if you had Chrome set up to use a base font size of 12pt!! Check Edit-Preferences-Appearance-Fonts to check your settings. I just checked if I could get menu including appearance in an open SeaMonkey page, and no, I cannot, I can go Edit- preferences, then nothing about appearances. The page appearance while in SM Composer or Browse is too large, and is I use Format - Font - size, and adjust the composed page to look right, then it looks tiny in Chrome. But in Firefox, the text also looks too small, and all images are enlarged, and I cannot keep the settings right. The trouble is that my PC does not have a little bloke inside the PC box with a ruler to check the height of all normal print in body of texts, and then when text varies in size regardless of where it came, he gets out the whip to punish naughty little programs who just don't get what ordinary ppl want. Something MUST enforce the idea that all images are not enlarged, or reduced. and appear the same size as I see them during composing. Chrome does seem to display my website better than Firefox and SM. But my basic Chrome does not have setable size of appearance. Daniel Living just South of you, on the Mighty Murray River!! Hmm, I'm in ACT, and I guess ppl along Mississippi are laughing about Murray Creek. Call that a river? Now here's a river! No offense, Mr Dundee. Patrick Turner. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey Composer problems with setting colors, and text size etc, etc.
On 06/08/14 18:16, Patrick Turner wrote: Ray_Net 16:19 (1 hour ago) Patrick Turner wrote, On 06/08/2014 07:55: Hi all, I'm new here today, and I recently downloaded SeaMonkey 2.26, which seemed to download OK, and I could run it, and I assume its has replaced previous versions of SeaMonkey. Why did you not uninstall the previous version before installing the new one ? I did not see any instructions to download at the SeaMonkey site. I assumed the new would replace the old, or upgrade it. But with PC matters I am usually wrong until proven otherwise, and probably I should have assumed I should get rid of all SeaMonkey before downloading the 2.26. But just what to assume? OK, so I tell of my experience to others who may know more than me, and see what happens.. Patrick Turner Patrick, if you install a new version over the top of the old, there may be some files that existed in the old that don't appear in the new (e.g. file name change, maybe), so your directory might get filed up with all sorts of un-used rubbish! Better way to do it might be to *update* your SM from one version to the next! Check out Help-Check for updates... Then others who may know more than me will have done what is required for you. -- Daniel User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:29.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/29.0 SeaMonkey/2.26 Build identifier: 20140415200419 or User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:29.0) Gecko/20100101 SeaMonkey/2.26 Build identifier: 20140408191805 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey Composer problems with setting colors, and text size etc, etc.
On 8/6/14 2:55 PM, Patrick Turner wrote: Hi all, I'm new here today, and I recently downloaded SeaMonkey 2.26, which seemed to download OK, and I could run it, and I assume its has replaced previous versions of SeaMonkey. I only use SeaMonkey composer. I have a 50MB+ website which uses SeaMonkey. http://www.turneraudio.com.au I have problems controlling how both SeaMonkey and Firefox view my recently composed pages, and text and images are displayed too large so I try to set zoom to 80% and that makes it look right, but while in composer I can't change the size of everything, and colors don't appear. If I use Firefox to browse my own pages to look for faults the different colors of text and background don't appear, and page is too big, everything enlarged too much. If I use basic Chrome to view my pages, the text is OK but a size too small. But images look just right as they do when I view then in MS paint where I prepared many .gif schematics. I'm no html expert, but somehow SeaMonkey Composer just ain't working properly to give me colors and sizes to allow 100% predictable results which are the same when using Chrome, Firefox or SeaMonkey in browser mode. They should be all the same. But I ain't getting to see what I really will get when I compose. Should I uninstall all of existing SeaMonkey stuff, then start all over again with downloading SeaMonkey or should I just give up, and try some other WYSIWYG web page maker? Patrick Turner. I checked your page with Safari 6.1.5, SeaMonkey 2.26.1 and Firefox 30.0. The differences in your front page were minimal, only differing slightly in how each browser treats the Arial font family. The images were all displayed identically. Whatever size issue you think you're having isn't what you think it is. It's not a Composer problem. Try checking your zoom level for that page in SeaMonkey and Firefox. Ctrl-0 would be a good start. -- / // Trane Francks tr...@tranefrancks.com Tokyo, Japan // Practice random kindness and senseless acts of beauty. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey Composer problems with setting colors, and text size etc, etc.
On 06/08/14 18:40, Patrick Turner wrote: Snip Looking at your coding of your home page, I see plenty of big's and /big's but, at a casual glance, I don't see any base font size declared, so if you have your SeaMonkey set up to use, say, 9pt font it would appear smaller if you had Chrome set up to use a base font size of 12pt!! Check Edit-Preferences-Appearance-Fonts to check your settings. I just checked if I could get menu including appearance in an open SeaMonkey page, and no, I cannot, I can go Edit- preferences, then nothing about appearances. Patrick, when you click Edit, then click Preferences and new screen should open up with several topics on the left, the top of these is Appearance ... click the arrowhead to its left and four sub sections will show up, the second of which is Fonts ...select it and then you should see where you can change your font sizes. -- Daniel No Murray Creek around here. User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:29.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/29.0 SeaMonkey/2.26 Build identifier: 20140415200419 or User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:29.0) Gecko/20100101 SeaMonkey/2.26 Build identifier: 20140408191805 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey Composer problems with setting colors, and text size etc, etc.
On 06/08/14 22:07, Trane Francks wrote: On 8/6/14 2:55 PM, Patrick Turner wrote: Hi all, I'm new here today, and I recently downloaded SeaMonkey 2.26, which seemed to download OK, and I could run it, and I assume its has replaced previous versions of SeaMonkey. I only use SeaMonkey composer. I have a 50MB+ website which uses SeaMonkey. http://www.turneraudio.com.au I have problems controlling how both SeaMonkey and Firefox view my recently composed pages, and text and images are displayed too large so I try to set zoom to 80% and that makes it look right, but while in composer I can't change the size of everything, and colors don't appear. If I use Firefox to browse my own pages to look for faults the different colors of text and background don't appear, and page is too big, everything enlarged too much. If I use basic Chrome to view my pages, the text is OK but a size too small. But images look just right as they do when I view then in MS paint where I prepared many .gif schematics. I'm no html expert, but somehow SeaMonkey Composer just ain't working properly to give me colors and sizes to allow 100% predictable results which are the same when using Chrome, Firefox or SeaMonkey in browser mode. They should be all the same. But I ain't getting to see what I really will get when I compose. Should I uninstall all of existing SeaMonkey stuff, then start all over again with downloading SeaMonkey or should I just give up, and try some other WYSIWYG web page maker? Patrick Turner. I checked your page with Safari 6.1.5, SeaMonkey 2.26.1 and Firefox 30.0. The differences in your front page were minimal, only differing slightly in how each browser treats the Arial font family. The images were all displayed identically. Whatever size issue you think you're having isn't what you think it is. It's not a Composer problem. Try checking your zoom level for that page in SeaMonkey and Firefox. Ctrl-0 would be a good start. Trane, I'm thinking Patrick has his SeaMonkey set up for larger size fonts than he has for Firefox or Chrome so needs to reduce his size on the fly (he mentions having to set Zoom to 80%). Hence, my trying to get him to check SM prefs. -- Daniel User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:29.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/29.0 SeaMonkey/2.26 Build identifier: 20140415200419 or User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:29.0) Gecko/20100101 SeaMonkey/2.26 Build identifier: 20140408191805 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey Composer problems with setting colors, and text size etc, etc.
Patrick Turner wrote, On 06/08/2014 10:16: Ray_Net 16:19 (1 hour ago) Patrick Turner wrote, On 06/08/2014 07:55: Hi all, I'm new here today, and I recently downloaded SeaMonkey 2.26, which seemed to download OK, and I could run it, and I assume its has replaced previous versions of SeaMonkey. Why did you not uninstall the previous version before installing the new one ? I did not see any instructions to download at the SeaMonkey site. I assumed the new would replace the old, or upgrade it. But with PC matters I am usually wrong until proven otherwise, and probably I should have assumed I should get rid of all SeaMonkey before downloading the 2.26. But just what to assume? OK, so I tell of my experience to others who may know more than me, and see what happens.. Patrick Turner I should get rid of all SeaMonkey not all Seamonkey stuff must disappear, you just need to go in the control panel then ADD/REMOVE PROGRAMS and then just uninstall SM before installing the new version.. (If you were afraid to remove you may copy the profile as a backup measure. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey Composer problems with setting colors, and text size etc, etc.
On 8/6/2014 1:55 AM, Patrick Turner wrote: Hi all, I'm new here today, and I recently downloaded SeaMonkey 2.26, which seemed to download OK, and I could run it, and I assume its has replaced previous versions of SeaMonkey. I only use SeaMonkey composer. I have a 50MB+ website which uses SeaMonkey. http://www.turneraudio.com.au I have problems controlling how both SeaMonkey and Firefox view my recently composed pages, and text and images are displayed too large so I try to set zoom to 80% and that makes it look right, but while in composer I can't change the size of everything, and colors don't appear. If I use Firefox to browse my own pages to look for faults the different colors of text and background don't appear, and page is too big, everything enlarged too much. If I use basic Chrome to view my pages, the text is OK but a size too small. But images look just right as they do when I view then in MS paint where I prepared many .gif schematics. I'm no html expert, but somehow SeaMonkey Composer just ain't working properly to give me colors and sizes to allow 100% predictable results which are the same when using Chrome, Firefox or SeaMonkey in browser mode. They should be all the same. But I ain't getting to see what I really will get when I compose. Should I uninstall all of existing SeaMonkey stuff, then start all over again with downloading SeaMonkey or should I just give up, and try some other WYSIWYG web page maker? Patrick Turner. Patrick, While everyone's comments are valid what I get is your using Mozilla just for Composer? Composer is ancient code that hasn't been maintained in a dog's age. It spun off to the now abandoned Komposer/Nvu That code was then abandoned and replaced with Blue Griffin. http://bluegriffon.org/ Nothing much has happened with Blue Griffin for about a year now so I am not sure what Daniel Glazman is up to these days. If your wanting the composer like interface and heritage for composing web sites than your best bet is probably to use Blue Griffen or possibly Nvu as it is much more up to date. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey Composer problems with setting colors, and text size etc, etc.
Daniel Aug 6 (12 hours ago) On 06/08/14 18:40, Patrick Turner wrote: Snip Looking at your coding of your home page, I see plenty of big's and /big's but, at a casual glance, I don't see any base font size declared, so if you have your SeaMonkey set up to use, say, 9pt font it would appear smaller if you had Chrome set up to use a base font size of 12pt!! Check Edit-Preferences-Appearance-Fonts to check your settings. I just checked if I could get menu including appearance in an open SeaMonkey page, and no, I cannot, I can go Edit- preferences, then nothing about appearances. Patrick, when you click Edit, then click Preferences and new screen should open up with several topics on the left, the top of these is Appearance ... click the arrowhead to its left and four sub sections will show up, the second of which is Fonts ...select it and then you should see where you can change your font sizes. Yes, you're right. If I opened SM in composer mode without opening one of my pages, I could adjust text size from 16 down to 12, and that made my pages I'd composed recently look OK, BUT, In Firefox, text looked too small, so I had to zoom out - a bit - and this increases size of images to being too large, and so zoom applies itself to images when i damn well don't want it to. Still no ability to display colors of text or background while in SM composer. And when trying to change text colors in SM, one can select some text, select black, and save the change and yet that text appears blue in Chrome. So I go back and the only way to change colors of the small part of text is by 'select all' and change all colors to black, then change parts of text I want in different colors. Programs are supposed to work so only a positive outcome is possible, and use has consistent rules. So both Firefox and SM are still primitive. Maybe I try to uninstall all existing SM and download 2.26 again with everything fresh. But meanwhile, when I use Chrome to see my pages, its like a miracle, all nice colors show up, and text is really good, yet its basic Chrome where nothing seems adjustable for browsing. Daniel No Murray Creek around here. We have Murrumbidgee Creek here. Walk along the creek bed after a bitova dry spell :-). ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
