Re: Sites that have Security Questions

2009-11-05 Thread James
At one time I had a problem with the challenge questions; don't remember 
what it was now.  Not being nearly so computer savvy as most of you I 
wound up dealing with my CU in trying to solve it.  Eventually they 
suggested that I give the same answer for all the security questions 
[which would all be wrong except in one case at the most].  Somehow that 
worked.


James
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Date: Wed, 04 Nov 2009 17:11:11 -0800
From: David E. Rossnob...@nowhere.invalid
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Subject: Re: Stes that have Security Questions
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On 11/4/2009 12:29 PM, John D Jacoby wrote:
   

  *Hi,
For example, my Credit Union has a security feature and asks me for
  the answer when I log on.  After doing this one time with Internet
  Explorer it no longer asks for an answer and all I need to do is enter
  the Account number and a password.  With SeaMonkey, it asks every time!
  Is there a setting that I need to make so that I no longer need to keep
  giving a Security Answer in SeaMonkey?
  Thanks for any help,
  John
  *
 

These are sometimes called challenge questions.  When you answer the
question correctly, the site sets a cookie in your profile.  The next
time you try to login, the site fetches the cookie and bypasses the
question if the cookie contains the correct information.  Sometimes, the
cookie will be for the domain of the outside service that created the
software used by the financial institutions.  Thus, you might not only
have to accept cookies normally (permanently and not merely for the
current session), but also you might have to enable all cookies and not
merely those for the originating Web site.

I have found that some sites restrict bypassing the challenge question
by sniffing for what browser you are using.  Only approved browsers
will bypass the question.  Of course (unfortunately), they sniff for
Firefox and not for Gecko.  Thus, with SeaMonkey, you will always be
asked a challenge question.  (Sniffing also means that the question will
be asked if you change browsers.)

I stopped trying to convince two banks, two credit unions, and a mutual
fund group that sniffing for Firefox is wrong.  Instead, I setup a
special profile for accessing financial institutions.  In this profile,
I always spoof for Firefox with the following UA string:
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.4)
   Gecko/20091017 SeaMonkey/2.0 NOT Firefox/3.5.3
I also have set this profile to accept all cookies normally.  I never
use this profile unless I intend to logon to one of my financial
accounts.  To get public information from any of the institutions'
sites, I use my normal profile.

A few sites assume everyone has broadband with a fixed IP address.  This
is a very bad assumption.  Approximately 10% of Internet users in the
U.S. still use dial-up with a new IP address each time they connect.  On
top of that, you might get a new IP address when you reboot your
broadband modem.  You might try viewing your cookies -- on the menu bar,
select [Tools  Cookie Manager  Manage Stored Cookies] -- and see if
you detect an IP address as the value of a cookie that has the domain of
your credit union's Web site.  If so, the credit union has a real
problem that needs to be fixed.

By the way, a number of studies have concluded that challenge questions
and also security images provide no security.  In place of the
questions, you need to have strong passwords that you don't write down
on a PostIt or save in an unencrypted file.  In place of images, you
need (1) to check that the padlock icon appears in the lower-right
corner of your SeaMonkey browser window and (2) never access your
account from a link in an E-mail or newsgroup message.

-- David E. Ross


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Re: You really need to fix your posting, was Sites that have Security Questions

2009-11-05 Thread Leonidas Jones

James wrote:


James,

The way you are posting is making it almost impossible to give you any 
consistent help.  Every time you reply, it ends up in a different 
thread.  We just cannot keep track of what you are asking about.  We 
want to help, but this way, its very hard, and very frustrating to us.


I don't know why you are having this problem, but I do have a 
suggestion.  This is actually a newsgroup, set up on an NNTP server. it 
is mirrored to a mailing list, to which you are subscribed, but it works 
better on a news server.  The helpers here are almost universally 
subscribed to the news server.  The whole system is newsgroup based and 
works best that way.


I suggest that you go to EditMail  Newsgroup Account Settings and 
click on Add Account in the resulting dialog. Select Newsgroup Account. 
Type your name, and the email address you wish to use for off list 
replies.  If you prefer to set a dummy address, such as 
ja...@invalid.invalid, you can do that.


On the next screen, type news.mozilla.org in the field. On the next 
screen, verify the account name you wish to use.  news.mozilla.org will 
be fine.  The next screen verifies all your information, so review and 
create your account.


Close out of Account Settings, and select your new account in the Folder 
Pane. Click Manage Newsgroup Subscriptions. If the list is not 
populated, click Refresh to get the latest list of available groups. 
Subscribe to mozilla.support.seamonkey, and any others you would like to 
see.


Open the account, and ask to download the last 500 headers.  You should 
see all your support questions and responses. Any new posts you make 
should thread in an organized manner, which will help us give you the 
help you need.  Right now, everything you post is scattered all over the 
group, making it impossible to keep track.  If that continues, people 
are just going to stop answering you.


Lee
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