When will they fix the sluggish Bookmarks in SM?

[Jane--Galt]

I just got a new sub-release of SM - 2.4.1, which says it improves memory use 
and patches some things.

But when, if ever, will they fix the sluggish Bookmarks problem, for people 
who keep huge bookmarks files of a few megs in size?

We've talked about this before here. When I click the menu button to open 
bookmarks, it does nothing, or I have to click several times and wait each 
time, until it finally loads, or use Ctrl-B to open them that way.

Come on guys!

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Re: When will they fix the sluggish Bookmarks in SM?

[Jane--Galt]

"Jane--Galt"   wrote :

> I just got a new sub-release of SM - 2.4.1, which says it improves
> memory use and patches some things.
> 
> But when, if ever, will they fix the sluggish Bookmarks problem, for
> people who keep huge bookmarks files of a few megs in size?
> 
> We've talked about this before here. When I click the menu button to
> open bookmarks, it does nothing, or I have to click several times and
> wait each time, until it finally loads, or use Ctrl-B to open them that
> way. 
> 
> Come on guys!
> 
> 

Oh, another thing to mention. While I'm typing words into the Google search 
box, I get double ghost images of the words. Is that SM doing this?

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Re: When will they fix the sluggish Bookmarks in SM?

[Stanimir Stamenkov]

Sun, 02 Oct 2011 12:59:51 -0500, /Jane--Galt/:


Oh, another thing to mention. While I'm typing words into the Google search
box, I get double ghost images of the words. Is that SM doing this?


Please keep separate topics in separate threads.  Thanks.

No, it's not SM doing this.  It is the Google Search auto-complete:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=blB_X38YSxQ

(the video is really just for fun)

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Re: When will they fix the sluggish Bookmarks in SM?

[Stanimir Stamenkov]

Sun, 02 Oct 2011 12:50:27 -0500, /Jane--Galt/:


But when, if ever, will they fix the sluggish Bookmarks problem, for people
who keep huge bookmarks files of a few megs in size?


Just to get some figures, how huge is your "places.sqlite" file?


We've talked about this before here. When I click the menu button to open
bookmarks, it does nothing, or I have to click several times and wait each
time, until it finally loads, or use Ctrl-B to open them that way.


So invoking the Bookmarks Manager using Ctrl+B opens it faster than 
the Bookmarks menu?  Could it be some of your installed extensions 
interfering and blocking the UI?  Try starting with all add-ons 
disabled to see if it would make any difference: Help -> Restart 
with Add-ons Disabled.


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Re: When will they fix the sluggish Bookmarks in SM?

[Jane--Galt]

Stanimir Stamenkov   wrote :

> Sun, 02 Oct 2011 12:50:27 -0500, /Jane--Galt/:
> 
>> But when, if ever, will they fix the sluggish Bookmarks problem, for
>> people who keep huge bookmarks files of a few megs in size?
> 
> Just to get some figures, how huge is your "places.sqlite" file?

62 megs, but what's that got to do with bookmarks?

>> We've talked about this before here. When I click the menu button to
>> open bookmarks, it does nothing, or I have to click several times and
>> wait each time, until it finally loads, or use Ctrl-B to open them that
>> way. 
> 
> So invoking the Bookmarks Manager using Ctrl+B opens it faster than 
> the Bookmarks menu?

Yes, right away.

> Could it be some of your installed extensions 
> interfering and blocking the UI?

No, I did fresh installs with no extensions, just importing my BM's, and it 
still did it. I have few extensions. Just Tinyurl, I think.

>  Try starting with all add-ons 
> disabled to see if it would make any difference: Help -> Restart 
> with Add-ons Disabled.
> 

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Re: When will they fix the sluggish Bookmarks in SM?

[Stanimir Stamenkov]

Sun, 02 Oct 2011 16:45:25 -0500, /Jane--Galt/:

Stanimir Stamenkov   wrote :

Sun, 02 Oct 2011 12:50:27 -0500, /Jane--Galt/:


But when, if ever, will they fix the sluggish Bookmarks problem, for
people who keep huge bookmarks files of a few megs in size?


Just to get some figures, how huge is your "places.sqlite" file?


62 megs, but what's that got to do with bookmarks?


That's where your bookmarks (and browsing history) get stored, if 
you didn't know:


http://kb.mozillazine.org/Profile_folder_-_SeaMonkey#Files

http://kb.mozillazine.org/Places.sqlite

The second article links to "Locked or damaged places.sqlite" 
 which 
suggests a damaged "places.sqlite" may cause hangs.  You may further 
read:


http://kb.mozillazine.org/Firefox_hangs#Places_database


We've talked about this before here. When I click the menu button to
open bookmarks, it does nothing, or I have to click several times and
wait each time, until it finally loads, or use Ctrl-B to open them that
way.


So invoking the Bookmarks Manager using Ctrl+B opens it faster than
the Bookmarks menu?


Yes, right away.


Could it be some of your installed extensions
interfering and blocking the UI?


No, I did fresh installs with no extensions, just importing my BM's, and it
still did it. I have few extensions. Just Tinyurl, I think.


 Try starting with all add-ons
disabled to see if it would make any difference: Help -> Restart
with Add-ons Disabled.


So did you try running in safe-mode or with add-ons disabled to see 
if it would make any difference?


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Re: When will they fix the sluggish Bookmarks in SM?

[Jane--Galt]

Stanimir Stamenkov   wrote :

> Sun, 02 Oct 2011 16:45:25 -0500, /Jane--Galt/:
>> Stanimir Stamenkov   wrote :
>>> Sun, 02 Oct 2011 12:50:27 -0500, /Jane--Galt/:
>>>
 But when, if ever, will they fix the sluggish Bookmarks problem, for
 people who keep huge bookmarks files of a few megs in size?
>>>
>>> Just to get some figures, how huge is your "places.sqlite" file?
>>
>> 62 megs, but what's that got to do with bookmarks?
> 
> That's where your bookmarks (and browsing history) get stored, if 
> you didn't know:

Oh. I've been a fan of Netscape browsers since around 1994 when I first got 
on the net - Navigator, which I suppose eventually evolved into Seamonkey 
in the nearest form to that original? I thought they resided in something 
called Bookmarks.html

> 
> http://kb.mozillazine.org/Profile_folder_-_SeaMonkey#Files
> 
> http://kb.mozillazine.org/Places.sqlite
> 
> The second article links to "Locked or damaged places.sqlite" 
> which 
> suggests a damaged "places.sqlite" may cause hangs.  You may further 
> read:
> 
> http://kb.mozillazine.org/Firefox_hangs#Places_database
> 
 We've talked about this before here. When I click the menu button to
 open bookmarks, it does nothing, or I have to click several times and
 wait each time, until it finally loads, or use Ctrl-B to open them
 that way.
>>>
>>> So invoking the Bookmarks Manager using Ctrl+B opens it faster than
>>> the Bookmarks menu?
>>
>> Yes, right away.
>>
>>> Could it be some of your installed extensions
>>> interfering and blocking the UI?
>>
>> No, I did fresh installs with no extensions, just importing my BM's,
>> and it still did it. I have few extensions. Just Tinyurl, I think.
>>
>>>  Try starting with all add-ons
>>> disabled to see if it would make any difference: Help -> Restart
>>> with Add-ons Disabled.
> 
> So did you try running in safe-mode or with add-ons disabled to see 
> if it would make any difference?
> 

Yes, it makes no difference.


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Re: When will they fix the sluggish Bookmarks in SM?

[MCBastos]

Interviewed by CNN on 03/10/2011 00:35, Jane--Galt told the world:

> Oh. I've been a fan of Netscape browsers since around 1994 when I first got 
> on the net - Navigator, which I suppose eventually evolved into Seamonkey 
> in the nearest form to that original? I thought they resided in something 
> called Bookmarks.html

They used to... up to Seamonkey 2.0.x. The big thing in Seamonkey 2.1
was exactly introducing the new database-based "Places" system, which
Firefox had since version 3.

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Re: When will they fix the sluggish Bookmarks in SM?

[Philip Chee]

On Sun, 02 Oct 2011 22:35:31 -0500, Jane--Galt wrote:
> Stanimir Stamenkov   wrote :

>> So did you try running in safe-mode or with add-ons disabled to see 
>> if it would make any difference?
> 
> Yes, it makes no difference.

Can you try installing and running this extension?



CheckPlaces is a Firefox/SeaMonkey extension that allows you to check
your bookmarks in different ways. There is a basic check of your
bookmarks, and optional checks that the pages still exist, duplicate
bookmarks, and empty folders. You can also use it to restore favicons
that have gone missing, and compact and check the integrity of the
Places database.

=

Try compacting and checking the integrity of your Places database.

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Re: When will they fix the sluggish Bookmarks in SM?

[Ray_Net]

Stanimir Stamenkov wrote:

Sun, 02 Oct 2011 16:45:25 -0500, /Jane--Galt/:

Stanimir Stamenkov  wrote :

Sun, 02 Oct 2011 12:50:27 -0500, /Jane--Galt/:


But when, if ever, will they fix the sluggish Bookmarks problem, for
people who keep huge bookmarks files of a few megs in size?


Just to get some figures, how huge is your "places.sqlite" file?


62 megs, but what's that got to do with bookmarks?


That's where your bookmarks (and browsing history) get stored, if you
didn't know:

http://kb.mozillazine.org/Profile_folder_-_SeaMonkey#Files

http://kb.mozillazine.org/Places.sqlite

The second article links to "Locked or damaged places.sqlite"
 which
suggests a damaged "places.sqlite" may cause hangs. You may further read:

http://kb.mozillazine.org/Firefox_hangs#Places_database



bookmarks.html 73KB
places.sqlite 21MB = 287 * 73KB

287 times more disk space - aie !
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Re: When will they fix the sluggish Bookmarks in SM?

[MCBastos]

Interviewed by CNN on 03/10/2011 06:14, Ray_Net told the world:

> bookmarks.html 73KB
> places.sqlite 21MB = 287 * 73KB
> 
> 287 times more disk space - aie !

Unfair comparison. Places does more than storing bookmarks. It also
stores history, for instance. AND it also stores the site icons
(favicons), which do take a bit of space -- more than one line of text
(which is what a bookmark is, essentially), at least.

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Re: When will they fix the sluggish Bookmarks in SM?

[Jay Garcia]

On 02.10.2011 23:39, Philip Chee wrote:

 --- Original Message ---

> On Sun, 02 Oct 2011 22:35:31 -0500, Jane--Galt wrote:
>> Stanimir Stamenkov   wrote :
> 
>>> So did you try running in safe-mode or with add-ons disabled to see 
>>> if it would make any difference?
>> 
>> Yes, it makes no difference.
> 
> Can you try installing and running this extension?
> 
> 
> 
> CheckPlaces is a Firefox/SeaMonkey extension that allows you to check
> your bookmarks in different ways. There is a basic check of your
> bookmarks, and optional checks that the pages still exist, duplicate
> bookmarks, and empty folders. You can also use it to restore favicons
> that have gone missing, and compact and check the integrity of the
> Places database.
> 
> =
> 
> Try compacting and checking the integrity of your Places database.
> 
> Phil
> 

Be VERY VERY careful with that extension, it completely wiped out my
personal toolbar as well as other very important bookmarks, etc. Luckily
there is a restore function from the .json file. It also marks other
current valid bookmarks as "questionable", "failed" and so on.


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Re: When will they fix the sluggish Bookmarks in SM?

[Jane--Galt]

Jay Garcia   wrote :

> On 02.10.2011 23:39, Philip Chee wrote:
> 
>  --- Original Message ---
> 
>> On Sun, 02 Oct 2011 22:35:31 -0500, Jane--Galt wrote:
>>> Stanimir Stamenkov   wrote :
>> 
 So did you try running in safe-mode or with add-ons disabled to see 
 if it would make any difference?
>>> 
>>> Yes, it makes no difference.
>> 
>> Can you try installing and running this extension?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> CheckPlaces is a Firefox/SeaMonkey extension that allows you to check
>> your bookmarks in different ways. There is a basic check of your
>> bookmarks, and optional checks that the pages still exist, duplicate
>> bookmarks, and empty folders. You can also use it to restore favicons
>> that have gone missing, and compact and check the integrity of the
>> Places database.
>> 
>> =
>> 
>> Try compacting and checking the integrity of your Places database.
>> 
>> Phil
>> 
> 
> Be VERY VERY careful with that extension, it completely wiped out my
> personal toolbar as well as other very important bookmarks, etc. Luckily
> there is a restore function from the .json file. It also marks other
> current valid bookmarks as "questionable", "failed" and so on.
> 
> 

Uh, no thanks then.

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Re: When will they fix the sluggish Bookmarks in SM?

[Jane--Galt]

MCBastos   wrote :

> Interviewed by CNN on 03/10/2011 00:35, Jane--Galt told the world:
> 
>> Oh. I've been a fan of Netscape browsers since around 1994 when I first
>> got on the net - Navigator, which I suppose eventually evolved into
>> Seamonkey in the nearest form to that original? I thought they resided
>> in something called Bookmarks.html
> 
> They used to... up to Seamonkey 2.0.x. The big thing in Seamonkey 2.1
> was exactly introducing the new database-based "Places" system, which
> Firefox had since version 3.
> 

And that appears to be exactly when I started having these stalled bookmark 
button problems.

In fact I recall uninstalling 2.0 for awhile and using 1.x instead, because 
of it.

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Re: When will they fix the sluggish Bookmarks in SM?

[Jane--Galt]

MCBastos   wrote :

> Interviewed by CNN on 03/10/2011 06:14, Ray_Net told the world:
> 
>> bookmarks.html 73KB
>> places.sqlite 21MB = 287 * 73KB
>> 
>> 287 times more disk space - aie !
> 
> Unfair comparison. Places does more than storing bookmarks. It also
> stores history, for instance. AND it also stores the site icons
> (favicons), which do take a bit of space -- more than one line of text
> (which is what a bookmark is, essentially), at least.
> 

I like a lot of history, it makes things very convenient, but they need to 
find some way to speed up the loading from that Bookmarks button and make it 
stop being eratic.

Perhaps they could separate the history stuff from the raw bookmarks file?

I think my bookmarks alone were just about 3.4 megs.

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Re: When will they fix the sluggish Bookmarks in SM?

[Jay Garcia]

On 03.10.2011 15:02, Jane--Galt wrote:

 --- Original Message ---

> Jay Garcia   wrote :
> 
>> On 02.10.2011 23:39, Philip Chee wrote:
>> 
>>  --- Original Message ---
>> 
>>> On Sun, 02 Oct 2011 22:35:31 -0500, Jane--Galt wrote:
 Stanimir Stamenkov   wrote :
>>> 
> So did you try running in safe-mode or with add-ons disabled to see 
> if it would make any difference?
 
 Yes, it makes no difference.
>>> 
>>> Can you try installing and running this extension?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> CheckPlaces is a Firefox/SeaMonkey extension that allows you to check
>>> your bookmarks in different ways. There is a basic check of your
>>> bookmarks, and optional checks that the pages still exist, duplicate
>>> bookmarks, and empty folders. You can also use it to restore favicons
>>> that have gone missing, and compact and check the integrity of the
>>> Places database.
>>> 
>>> =
>>> 
>>> Try compacting and checking the integrity of your Places database.
>>> 
>>> Phil
>>> 
>> 
>> Be VERY VERY careful with that extension, it completely wiped out my
>> personal toolbar as well as other very important bookmarks, etc. Luckily
>> there is a restore function from the .json file. It also marks other
>> current valid bookmarks as "questionable", "failed" and so on.
>> 
>> 
> 
> Uh, no thanks then.
> 

You can give it a shot but make SURE you make a backup first. If you're
using SM or FF then an auto-backup of your bookmarks are backed up to a
.json file which is accessed/restored via Bookmarks => Manage Bookmarks
(SM) or Show Bookmarks (FF) => Restore - that's how I restored mine in FF.


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Re: When will they fix the sluggish Bookmarks in SM?

[Lucas Levrel]

Le 3 octobre 2011, Jane--Galt a écrit :


MCBastos   wrote :

Unfair comparison. Places does more than storing bookmarks. It also
stores history, for instance. AND it also stores the site icons
(favicons), which do take a bit of space -- more than one line of text
(which is what a bookmark is, essentially), at least.


Perhaps they could separate the history stuff from the raw bookmarks file?


LOL, you've just been said they did the opposite!

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Re: When will they fix the sluggish Bookmarks in SM?

[Rob Lindauer]

Jane--Galt wrote:

I just got a new sub-release of SM - 2.4.1, which says it improves memory use
and patches some things.

But when, if ever, will they fix the sluggish Bookmarks problem, for people
who keep huge bookmarks files of a few megs in size?

We've talked about this before here. When I click the menu button to open
bookmarks, it does nothing, or I have to click several times and wait each
time, until it finally loads, or use Ctrl-B to open them that way.

Come on guys!



I am having a similar problem.  I'm not sure it started with 2.4.1, but 
perhaps so, not a problem prior to that time.


In my case, there's no significant delay when I start the bookmark 
manager; but thereafter, every time I click or RMB a folder or bookmark, 
there's a delay of about 5 seconds before the item is highlighted / menu 
opens.


I"m on SM 2.4.1 / Ubuntu 11.04.  I have about 3000 bookmarks.

Regards, RL



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