Re: rendering of a page
Paul B. Gallagher: Hartmut Figge wrote: With my usual settings the side looks indeed horrible. What's that!? Custom settings!?? :-P Users aren't supposed to do that, the programmers know what's best for you and implement those settings at the factory. Sounds a bit like FF and TB. *fg* No wonder you don't like our software. The number of my current private patches h...@e675 ~ $ ls -1 seam-patch | wc -l 8 Could be some more, but each patch requires looking at the source and finding a suitable place for a minimal intervention. Stressful. :) Hartmut ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: rendering of a page
Thanks for all the comments. You have verified what I suspected all along. I had a copy of Front Page for a while and used it a couple of times but found very soon that it inserted so much unnecessary coding that it was not something I wanted to use. I am a self-taught webmaster, having learned most of what I know about HTML from books and looking at the coding of other programs before all these do it for you, fill in the blanks helpers came out. Probably the other six languages I used in the old days, beginning with Autocoder, helped some. Walter. Phillip Jones wrote: J. Weaver Jr. wrote: Walter wrote: Please have a look at: http://www.dekalbtexas.org/ and note the overlay in several places. Is this a SeaMonkey problem or sorry HTML coding. In viewing the source, it is horribly bloated and I suspect it is there. Thanks. w. According to http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dekalbtexas.org%2Fcharset=(detect+automatically)doctype=Inlinegroup=0, there are 542 errors in that page. Yowch! -JW The HTML (Tidy) Validator shows at least 138 error this is one line of over 600 iCab caught: CSS Error (1784, 50): The pseudo-class 0 is unknown. Must have been written with Front page. -- From HP computer, SM browser ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
rendering of a page
Please have a look at: http://www.dekalbtexas.org/ and note the overlay in several places. Is this a SeaMonkey problem or sorry HTML coding. In viewing the source, it is horribly bloated and I suspect it is there. Thanks. w. -- From HP computer, SM browser ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: rendering of a page
Walter wrote: Please have a look at: http://www.dekalbtexas.org/ and note the overlay in several places. Is this a SeaMonkey problem or sorry HTML coding. In viewing the source, it is horribly bloated and I suspect it is there. Thanks. w. According to http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dekalbtexas.org%2Fcharset=(detect+automatically)doctype=Inlinegroup=0, there are 542 errors in that page. Yowch! -JW ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: rendering of a page
Walter wrote: Please have a look at: http://www.dekalbtexas.org/ and note the overlay in several places. Is this a SeaMonkey problem or sorry HTML coding. In viewing the source, it is horribly bloated and I suspect it is there. Thanks. w. The page was done with some sort of MS Office product, and has the resulting dreadful coding, and a very cheap appearance to it to boot. That being said, I don't notice any overlapping of page elements. I tried zooming the text and got some, try with the zoom at original size and see if that help. To be sure, a Chamber of COmmerce trying to sell their city ought to do better then this, but its ll readable from here, SM 2.0.2 on Mac Snow Leopard. Lee ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: rendering of a page
Leonidas Jones: [http://www.dekalbtexas.org/] That being said, I don't notice any overlapping of page elements. Uncheck 'Allow documents to use other fonts' and/or set Minimum font size high enough. ;) With my usual settings the side looks indeed horrible. Hartmut ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: rendering of a page
J. Weaver Jr. wrote: Walter wrote: Please have a look at: http://www.dekalbtexas.org/ and note the overlay in several places. Is this a SeaMonkey problem or sorry HTML coding. In viewing the source, it is horribly bloated and I suspect it is there. Thanks. w. According to http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dekalbtexas.org%2Fcharset=(detect+automatically)doctype=Inlinegroup=0, there are 542 errors in that page. Yowch! -JW -- From HP computer, SM browser J., Just as I suspected, the creator used some sort of junky program to create it. See: http://dktcoc.home.att.net for another page relating to the same subject. You will find several errors there but you will also find the coding of a beginner in web page building who likes to code each line, and know what it is going to do. Thanks for all the comments. w. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: rendering of a page
J. Weaver Jr. wrote: Walter wrote: Please have a look at: http://www.dekalbtexas.org/ and note the overlay in several places. Is this a SeaMonkey problem or sorry HTML coding. In viewing the source, it is horribly bloated and I suspect it is there. Thanks. w. According to http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dekalbtexas.org%2Fcharset=(detect+automatically)doctype=Inlinegroup=0, there are 542 errors in that page. Yowch! -JW The HTML (Tidy) Validator shows at least 138 error this is one line of over 600 iCab caught: CSS Error (1784, 50): The pseudo-class 0 is unknown. Must have been written with Front page. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: rendering of a page
On 1/30/2010 12:33 PM, Walter wrote: Please have a look at: http://www.dekalbtexas.org/ and note the overlay in several places. Is this a SeaMonkey problem or sorry HTML coding. In viewing the source, it is horribly bloated and I suspect it is there. Thanks. w. Some of the blocks of text are actually in graphics files. This includes the contact information for the Chamber of Commerce and the current board members (two separate GIF files). Even the caption on the photo of the sunset is a GIF file. These don't resize. They do get overlaid by actual text, depending on how I zoom; my default sizing shows some overlays. -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/ Go to Mozdev at http://www.mozdev.org/ for quick access to extensions for Firefox, Thunderbird, SeaMonkey, and other Mozilla-related applications. You can access Mozdev much more quickly than you can Mozilla Add-Ons. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: rendering of a page
On 1/30/2010 5:12 PM, David E. Ross wrote: On 1/30/2010 12:33 PM, Walter wrote: Please have a look at: http://www.dekalbtexas.org/ and note the overlay in several places. Is this a SeaMonkey problem or sorry HTML coding. In viewing the source, it is horribly bloated and I suspect it is there. Thanks. w. Some of the blocks of text are actually in graphics files. This includes the contact information for the Chamber of Commerce and the current board members (two separate GIF files). Even the caption on the photo of the sunset is a GIF file. These don't resize. They do get overlaid by actual text, depending on how I zoom; my default sizing shows some overlays. While there is no external CSS file, there is a CSS subsection within the Head section and many instances of in-line CSS. Besides the HTML errors already reported, there are 338 CSS errors. -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/ Go to Mozdev at http://www.mozdev.org/ for quick access to extensions for Firefox, Thunderbird, SeaMonkey, and other Mozilla-related applications. You can access Mozdev much more quickly than you can Mozilla Add-Ons. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: rendering of a page
Hartmut Figge wrote: Leonidas Jones: [http://www.dekalbtexas.org/] That being said, I don't notice any overlapping of page elements. Uncheck 'Allow documents to use other fonts' and/or set Minimum font size high enough. ;) With my usual settings the side looks indeed horrible. What's that!? Custom settings!?? Users aren't supposed to do that, the programmers know what's best for you and implement those settings at the factory. No wonder you don't like our software. -- Wm R. Gates, Esq. AKA The Great and Powerful Oz ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: OT: was Re: Why is SM not rendering the website page
On 12/21/2008 12:00 PM, Moz Champion (Dan) wrote: Daniel wrote: NoOp wrote: On 12/20/2008 05:39 PM, Daniel wrote: NoOp wrote: On 12/20/2008 05:51 AM, Ray_Net wrote: Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo wrote: Ray_Net wrote: snip Why not install Prefbar then you can easily turn it off on easily: http://prefbar.mozdev.org/ quote you can easily turn it off on easily end quotedoes this mean it is very easy to turn it off on?? Yes :-). Oh!! O.K. then. There is another that provides an easy means of turning java on and off as well, and it works with Javascript too to boot. https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/seamonkey/addon/1237/ I suppose... but I've been using Manuel Reimer's Prefbar since nearly day one when it was available so I'm somewhat biased towards Manuel's work (waves at Manuel). For the most part it has generally been the only add-on that I've installed; however with testing 2.0a3pre et al I'm finding that I also quite like xsidebar (waves at Philip). Further, Prefbar provides the ability to turn off/on java, javascript, flash, cookies, images, popups, restore tabs, etc., etc., very easily. On any new system it's: 'install SeaMonkey' then 'install Prefbar'. Works for me :-) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: OT: was Re: Why is SM not rendering the website page
On 12/21/2008 2:26 PM, NoOp wrote: On 12/21/2008 12:00 PM, Moz Champion (Dan) wrote: Daniel wrote: NoOp wrote: On 12/20/2008 05:39 PM, Daniel wrote: NoOp wrote: On 12/20/2008 05:51 AM, Ray_Net wrote: Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo wrote: Ray_Net wrote: snip Why not install Prefbar then you can easily turn it off on easily: http://prefbar.mozdev.org/ quote you can easily turn it off on easily end quotedoes this mean it is very easy to turn it off on?? Yes :-). Oh!! O.K. then. There is another that provides an easy means of turning java on and off as well, and it works with Javascript too to boot. https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/seamonkey/addon/1237/ I suppose... but I've been using Manuel Reimer's Prefbar since nearly day one when it was available so I'm somewhat biased towards Manuel's work (waves at Manuel). For the most part it has generally been the only add-on that I've installed; however with testing 2.0a3pre et al I'm finding that I also quite like xsidebar (waves at Philip). Further, Prefbar provides the ability to turn off/on java, javascript, flash, cookies, images, popups, restore tabs, etc., etc., very easily. On any new system it's: 'install SeaMonkey' then 'install Prefbar'. Works for me :-) I agree with your support of PrefBar. In fact, I submitted RFE bugs -- one each to Mozilla and Mozdev -- to incorporate PrefBar as an integral component of SeaMonkey. Unfortunately, no one seems to want this. See https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=258881 https://www.mozdev.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=7670 -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/ Go to Mozdev at http://www.mozdev.org/ for quick access to extensions for Firefox, Thunderbird, SeaMonkey, and other Mozilla-related applications. You can access Mozdev much more quickly than you can Mozilla Add-Ons. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Why is SM not rendering the website page
Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo wrote: Ray_Net wrote: http://mathsnet.net/geometry/solid/houses.html works ok with IE7 but not with my SeaMonkey 1.1.13 Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8.1.18) Gecko/20081031 NOT Firefox/2.0.0.12 SeaMonkey/1.1.13 The only extensions are french and french-spellcheck that site looks familiar. Haven't we been through this before. You need to make sure that java is turned on [edit, preferences, advanced]. If its checked, then from within the java icon within the control panel, you need to make sure that under plugins, Mozilla is selected. java was turned off [edit, preferences, advanced]. May be i turned it off due to my paranoia ? :-) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Why is SM not rendering the website page
On 12/20/2008 05:51 AM, Ray_Net wrote: Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo wrote: Ray_Net wrote: http://mathsnet.net/geometry/solid/houses.html works ok with IE7 but not with my SeaMonkey 1.1.13 Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8.1.18) Gecko/20081031 NOT Firefox/2.0.0.12 SeaMonkey/1.1.13 The only extensions are french and french-spellcheck that site looks familiar. Haven't we been through this before. You need to make sure that java is turned on [edit, preferences, advanced]. If its checked, then from within the java icon within the control panel, you need to make sure that under plugins, Mozilla is selected. java was turned off [edit, preferences, advanced]. May be i turned it off due to my paranoia ? :-) Why not install Prefbar then you can easily turn it off on easily: http://prefbar.mozdev.org/ ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
OT: was Re: Why is SM not rendering the website page
NoOp wrote: On 12/20/2008 05:51 AM, Ray_Net wrote: Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo wrote: Ray_Net wrote: snip Why not install Prefbar then you can easily turn it off on easily: http://prefbar.mozdev.org/ quote you can easily turn it off on easily end quotedoes this mean it is very easy to turn it off on?? -- Daniel (using his sister's computer) (Test driving SM 2.x) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: OT: was Re: Why is SM not rendering the website page
On 12/20/2008 05:39 PM, Daniel wrote: NoOp wrote: On 12/20/2008 05:51 AM, Ray_Net wrote: Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo wrote: Ray_Net wrote: snip Why not install Prefbar then you can easily turn it off on easily: http://prefbar.mozdev.org/ quote you can easily turn it off on easily end quotedoes this mean it is very easy to turn it off on?? Yes :-). ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: OT: was Re: Why is SM not rendering the website page
NoOp wrote: On 12/20/2008 05:39 PM, Daniel wrote: NoOp wrote: On 12/20/2008 05:51 AM, Ray_Net wrote: Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo wrote: Ray_Net wrote: snip Why not install Prefbar then you can easily turn it off on easily: http://prefbar.mozdev.org/ quote you can easily turn it off on easily end quotedoes this mean it is very easy to turn it off on?? Yes :-). Oh!! O.K. then. -- Daniel (using his sister's computer) (Test driving SM 2.x) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
