Re: what's happening w/ SM?
Bzzz wrote: On Tue, 14 Feb 2012 21:04:57 -0800 NoOpgl...@sbcglobal.net.invalid wrote: In a comparison of Opera SM 2.7.1 in opening http://television.telerama.fr/tele/grille.php the result are the same: 13 seconds (from a low speed California US connection). I wasn't talking about opening, just switching from claws-mail window to SM window that contains this site. So you have Claw mail open and SeaMonkey open at some site..and you're wonder why it takes SeaMonkey so long to come up on your display?? Seems to me problems changing display from one application to another (open) application would be an OS problem!! Daniel so no idea what your actual SeaMonkey build is. 2.7.1 That's an issue that you need to sort out with your disto. No, that the same mess as the last firefox update: all of a sudden everything's going sluggish - very oddly linked to the most important addons (well, for me): noscript adblock. This is why I strongly suspect a manipulation to push people to jettison these addons. I didn't test SM without these addons to see if the behavior's the same as FF, but I would bet your head on that. All this story reminds me exactly the gnome3 phenomena: they changed all! shortcuts, display, windows places, etc and they don't take any criticism (even the constructive ones) in account. And this is relevant here why? Because unilateral changes only for the sake of change makes me sick. Anyway, this is now a closed issue as I switched to Opera. -- Daniel ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: what's happening w/ SM?
Philip TAYLOR wrote: Bzzz wrote: On Tue, 14 Feb 2012 15:44:43 -0500 Chris Iliasn...@ilias.ca wrote: Snip It still offers what I want in terms of browser and IMAP integration, but the look and feel is nowhere near as attractive as it once was. I /really/ don't need a new tool bar to pop-up just because I press Ctrl-F, nor do I want it to start searching until I tell it to. And tabs are the spawn of the devil. Philip Taylor I've been using SeaMonkey (Mozilla and Netscape since 0.9) and, IMHO, the look and feel is pretty much the same as way back when!! -- Daniel ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: what's happening w/ SM?
Jens Hatlak wrote: Larry S. wrote: Sigh . . . The Cookie Safe page says Not available for SM 2.7.1. Sigh... You didn't even *try* to click the button (and then Install Anyway). Else you would have found that this add-on works with *any* version of SM since 2.1. Have a little faith. I didn't recommend some random add-on but one that I have installed myself. Tested, that is. What you see there is actually an AMO (addons.mozilla.org) bug. It still has not been updated for the times we live in now (compatible by default, i.e. any normal add-on that is compatible with at least SM 2.1 is automatically compatible with SM 2.7 and later). Maybe another case of we checked Firefox and Thunderbird and all looked well. I guess someone should file a bug report... Well, actually I just did: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=727228 Guess I'll try the Chrome approach. Whatever makes you happy... Thanks anyway--you are a very helpful and much appreciated resource in this group. Thanks for noticing. ;-) HTH Jens Yes, you got me! I didn't try to install anyway, partly because I'm cautious about such things in order to avoid possible damage from untested s/w. Should have known better in this case, as you are a trusted source here. However, CS is now installed, but I still don't see the feature I was looking for, that is, a list of all the domains in one place so I can edit out individual or groups of domains with a single click to simplify my list. Cookie Safe gives me a lot of flexibility in controlling cookies, but not that--at least, as far as I can tell from searching through the CS options. Am I missing something? Larry ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: what's happening w/ SM?
Larry S. wrote: However, CS is now installed, but I still don't see the feature I was looking for, that is, a list of all the domains in one place so I can edit out individual or groups of domains with a single click to simplify my list. Right click the cookie icon at the right hand of the status bar, choose View Cookies. Am I missing something? I wonder whether I am? HTH Jens -- Jens Hatlak http://jens.hatlak.de/ SeaMonkey Trunk Tracker http://smtt.blogspot.com/ ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: what's happening w/ SM?
Jens Hatlak wrote: Larry S. wrote: However, CS is now installed, but I still don't see the feature I was looking for, that is, a list of all the domains in one place so I can edit out individual or groups of domains with a single click to simplify my list. Right click the cookie icon at the right hand of the status bar, choose View Cookies. Am I missing something? I wonder whether I am? HTH Jens Duh! So simple. Looked in Options without success, but it was right there, in plain sight (so to speak). This must be my doofus day! Thanks again (saying this a lot lately). Larry ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: what's happening w/ SM?
On 02/14/2012 10:43 PM, Bzzz wrote: On Tue, 14 Feb 2012 21:04:57 -0800 NoOp gl...@sbcglobal.net.invalid wrote: In a comparison of Opera SM 2.7.1 in opening http://television.telerama.fr/tele/grille.php the result are the same: 13 seconds (from a low speed California US connection). I wasn't talking about opening, just switching from claws-mail window to SM window that contains this site. so no idea what your actual SeaMonkey build is. 2.7.1 I see... http://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=sourcenameskeywords=iceape So you are running an unstable rolling development version of Debian: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianUnstable Yet you've no time to file a bug report on your own Debian modified version of SeaMonkey: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=iceape;dist=unstable and instesad rather introduce yourself on this forum for the very first time by posting rants about your distro upgrade? Well done. ... Anyway, this is now a closed issue as I switched to Opera. Cool. Appears that you've not yet figured out how to use Opera for nntp or mailing lists... X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.8.0 (GTK+ 2.24.9; i486-pc-linux-gnu) I wonder if Opera have a support mailing list/nntp server to flame Opera doesn't satisfy your needs. Here, I'll start you off on the right track: http://www.opera.com/support/ BTW, I've nothing against Opera: $ apt-cache policy opera opera: Installed: 11.61.1250 Candidate: 11.61.1250 Version table: *** 11.61.1250 0 500 http://deb.opera.com/opera/ stable/non-free i386 Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status But prefer: Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:10.0.1) Gecko/20120208 Firefox/10.0.1 SeaMonkey/2.7.1 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
what's happening w/ SM?
Hi, I'm using Iceape, which is the SM port under Debian Linux; 2 days ago it was upgraded to 2.7.1. From this upgrade, I noticed several *very* disagreeable things: * SM became bloated with pages using many JS (which I block w/ NoScript), exactly as FireFox did some weeks ago. Even not browsing does the bloat: just having the active tab w/ such a site is enough to rot a SM window switch. It was working perfectly w/ the former version..., * Cookies were almost easy to suppress in the former version (almost because asking are you sure when people has hit delete all cookies seemed strange), but yesterday I spent more than 5 minutes to do the same, as now they are separated by sites, * And the same for password that are now separated by sites. Is the dev team aligning on the same policy as Gnome3 (we know what's good for you)? So, what is the next stage: including mandatory flash commercials into menu lines??? Please, tell me why a good browser is turning to a piece of shit? Jiff -- ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: what's happening w/ SM?
Bzzz wrote: Hi, I'm using Iceape, which is the SM port under Debian Linux; 2 days ago it was upgraded to 2.7.1. From this upgrade, I noticed several *very* disagreeable things: * SM became bloated with pages using many JS (which I block w/ NoScript), exactly as FireFox did some weeks ago. Even not browsing does the bloat: just having the active tab w/ such a site is enough to rot a SM window switch. It was working perfectly w/ the former version..., * Cookies were almost easy to suppress in the former version (almost because asking are you sure when people has hit delete all cookies seemed strange), but yesterday I spent more than 5 minutes to do the same, as now they are separated by sites, * And the same for password that are now separated by sites. Is the dev team aligning on the same policy as Gnome3 (we know what's good for you)? So, what is the next stage: including mandatory flash commercials into menu lines??? Please, tell me why a good browser is turning to a piece of shit? Jiff Because the developpers knows better than you what is good for you :-( ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: what's happening w/ SM?
Ray_Net wrote: Bzzz wrote: Hi, I'm using Iceape, which is the SM port under Debian Linux; 2 days ago it was upgraded to 2.7.1. From this upgrade, I noticed several *very* disagreeable things: * SM became bloated with pages using many JS (which I block w/ NoScript), exactly as FireFox did some weeks ago. Even not browsing does the bloat: just having the active tab w/ such a site is enough to rot a SM window switch. It was working perfectly w/ the former version..., * Cookies were almost easy to suppress in the former version (almost because asking are you sure when people has hit delete all cookies seemed strange), but yesterday I spent more than 5 minutes to do the same, as now they are separated by sites, * And the same for password that are now separated by sites. Is the dev team aligning on the same policy as Gnome3 (we know what's good for you)? So, what is the next stage: including mandatory flash commercials into menu lines??? Please, tell me why a good browser is turning to a piece of shit? Jiff Because the developpers knows better than you what is good for you :-( I have also to add that they need votes for solving a bug, but they don't need votes for a change. I was responsible of a 4GL suite .. and we do the exact inverse ! ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: what's happening w/ SM?
On Tue, 14 Feb 2012 17:12:58 +0100 Ray_Net tbrraymond.schmit...@tbrscarlet.be wrote: Because the developpers knows better than you what is good for you :-( Yeah, that was my first thought (same as for gnome3:( Too bad, I liked it until this release - I'm gonna try Opera to see if it fits my need. Jiff -- ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: what's happening w/ SM?
Bzzz wrote: Hi, I'm using Iceape, which is the SM port under Debian Linux; 2 days ago it was upgraded to 2.7.1. From this upgrade, I noticed several *very* disagreeable things: * SM became bloated with pages using many JS (which I block w/ NoScript), exactly as FireFox did some weeks ago. Even not browsing does the bloat: just having the active tab w/ such a site is enough to rot a SM window switch. It was working perfectly w/ the former version..., * Cookies were almost easy to suppress in the former version (almost because asking are you sure when people has hit delete all cookies seemed strange), but yesterday I spent more than 5 minutes to do the same, as now they are separated by sites, * And the same for password that are now separated by sites. Is the dev team aligning on the same policy as Gnome3 (we know what's good for you)? So, what is the next stage: including mandatory flash commercials into menu lines??? Please, tell me why a good browser is turning to a piece of shit? Jiff I hate to constantly complain about a product that I have enjoyed for years and is free, but I have to agree that as SM became more interlocked with everything FF does, things have steadily gone downhill for my uses. :( However, I'm one of those who just wants the basics and for them to be easily accessible, and realize many others want much more. I just wish the basics could be left alone, like passwords, downloads, font sizes, etc. :) Can anyone tell me why, if they had to fool with passwords, they didn't give us the option of *always* showing passwords... in a password file? ;) bj ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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On 2/14/2012 8:11 AM, Bzzz wrote: Please, tell me why a good browser is turning to a piece of shit? Because Fire Fox is turning into a piece of shit (don't get me started on how many sites are no broken with the 10. numbering - and I'm getting sick of the pass the blame game), and the SM team is just a small volunteer group doing the best they can with limited resources. Given how small the team is they are forced to accept the FireFox code base and mostly keep it as is since the team and user base is too small to deviate very much. I suspect the SM user base is tiny compared to FireFox and that user base has very different wants and needs. Hawker ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: what's happening w/ SM?
On Tue, 14 Feb 2012 17:15:36 +0100 Ray_Net tbrraymond.schmit...@tbrscarlet.be wrote: I have also to add that they need votes for solving a bug, but they don't need votes for a change. I was responsible of a 4GL suite .. and we do the exact inverse ! Yep, me too: users are dictating the direction, not devs. -- Condense soup, not books! ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: what's happening w/ SM?
On Tue, 14 Feb 2012 11:23:03 -0500 chicagofan m...@privacy.net wrote: However, I'm one of those who just wants the basics and for them to be easily accessible, and realize many others want much more. I just wish the basics could be left alone, like passwords, downloads, font sizes, etc. :) But they did not! For example, I browse almost ever w/ cookies disabled, however I sometimes need them (bank, protected sites and these days tests on demo sites) - of course, as I'm not used to touch this setup, I usually forget to switch cookies off for one or two hours. Yesterday I had the (very bad) surprise to find that cookies are now showed site/site - meaning I spent more than 5 minutes to remove them all (AND after a CTRL-A you could think that hitting the Delte key would be sufficient!? Big error: it DON'T WORK, you have to CLICK the Remove frigging button:((( Can anyone tell me why, if they had to fool with passwords, they didn't give us the option of *always* showing passwords... in a password file? ;) Because you're a dumb donkey that don't understand the devs know what's good for you ];-) -- ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: what's happening w/ SM?
On Tue, 14 Feb 2012 11:23:03 -0500, chicagofan wrote: Can anyone tell me why, if they had to fool with passwords, they didn't give us the option of *always* showing passwords... in a password file? ;) bj Here is a workaround for the new and improved password manager. There is no guarantee how long the code will be kept in future versions. Here is a way to use the old password manager. Copy the following address into the browser: chrome://passwordmgr/content/passwordManager.xul Save it to a convenient bookmark. Use that bookmark when you need to work with your passwords. Kevin L. Hill Long Beach, CA ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: what's happening w/ SM?
Kevin L. Hill wrote: On Tue, 14 Feb 2012 11:23:03 -0500, chicagofan wrote: Can anyone tell me why, if they had to fool with passwords, they didn't give us the option of *always* showing passwords... in a password file? ;) bj Here is a workaround for the new and improved password manager. There is no guarantee how long the code will be kept in future versions. Here is a way to use the old password manager. Copy the following address into the browser: chrome://passwordmgr/content/passwordManager.xul Save it to a convenient bookmark. Use that bookmark when you need to work with your passwords. Kevin L. Hill Long Beach, CA Thanks so much! I have saved and will try this, if I stick with 2.7. My struggle isn't over yet. ;) bj ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: what's happening w/ SM?
Kevin L. Hill wrote: Here is a workaround for the new and improved password manager. There is no guarantee how long the code will be kept in future versions. Here is a way to use the old password manager. Copy the following address into the browser: chrome://passwordmgr/content/passwordManager.xul I guess the SPE add-on uses independent code: https://addons.mozilla.org/addon/saved-password-editor/ HTH Jens -- Jens Hatlak http://jens.hatlak.de/ SeaMonkey Trunk Tracker http://smtt.blogspot.com/ ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: what's happening w/ SM?
Kevin L. Hill wrote: On Tue, 14 Feb 2012 11:23:03 -0500, chicagofan wrote: Can anyone tell me why, if they had to fool with passwords, they didn't give us the option of *always* showing passwords... in a password file? ;) bj Here is a workaround for the new and improved password manager. There is no guarantee how long the code will be kept in future versions. Here is a way to use the old password manager. Copy the following address into the browser: chrome://passwordmgr/content/passwordManager.xul Save it to a convenient bookmark. Use that bookmark when you need to work with your passwords. Kevin L. Hill Long Beach, CA Do you know of anything similar for cookies? As I used to, I'd like to occasionally clean up the cookie list by clicking on a domain (or multiple domains) and delete them all with a click. The current manager only allows selecting one domain at a time, plus a three step process to delete it. Larry ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Larry S. wrote: Kevin L. Hill wrote: Copy the following address into the browser: chrome://passwordmgr/content/passwordManager.xul Do you know of anything similar for cookies? chrome://communicator/content/permissions/cookieViewer.xul?cookieManager This may have issues and stop working in any future SM version, unannounced. As with passwords, the better approach is to use an add-on which provides the functionality you need (and more). Try CookieSafe: https://addons.mozilla.org/addon/cookiesafe-ff-4-compatible/ BTW: Both add-ons have been recommended on the SeaMonkey User FAQ page for a while already (see the bottom of the following page). https://wiki.mozilla.org/SeaMonkey/FAQ HTH Jens -- Jens Hatlak http://jens.hatlak.de/ SeaMonkey Trunk Tracker http://smtt.blogspot.com/ ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: what's happening w/ SM?
Jens Hatlak wrote: Larry S. wrote: Kevin L. Hill wrote: Copy the following address into the browser: chrome://passwordmgr/content/passwordManager.xul Do you know of anything similar for cookies? chrome://communicator/content/permissions/cookieViewer.xul?cookieManager This may have issues and stop working in any future SM version, unannounced. As with passwords, the better approach is to use an add-on which provides the functionality you need (and more). Try CookieSafe: https://addons.mozilla.org/addon/cookiesafe-ff-4-compatible/ BTW: Both add-ons have been recommended on the SeaMonkey User FAQ page for a while already (see the bottom of the following page). https://wiki.mozilla.org/SeaMonkey/FAQ HTH Jens Sigh . . . The Cookie Safe page says Not available for SM 2.7.1. Guess I'll try the Chrome approach. Thanks anyway--you are a very helpful and much appreciated resource in this group. Larry ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: what's happening w/ SM?
Bzzz wrote: On Tue, 14 Feb 2012 11:23:03 -0500 chicagofanm...@privacy.net wrote: However, I'm one of those who just wants the basics and for them to be easily accessible, and realize many others want much more. I just wish the basics could be left alone, like passwords, downloads, font sizes, etc. :) But they did not! For example, I browse almost ever w/ cookies disabled, however I sometimes need them (bank, protected sites and these days tests on demo sites) - of course, as I'm not used to touch this setup, I usually forget to switch cookies off for one or two hours. Yesterday I had the (very bad) surprise to find that cookies are now showed site/site - meaning I spent more than 5 minutes to remove them all (AND after a CTRL-A you could think that hitting the Delte key would be sufficient!? Big error: it DON'T WORK, you have to CLICK the Remove frigging button:((( Can anyone tell me why, if they had to fool with passwords, they didn't give us the option of *always* showing passwords... in a password file? ;) Because you're a dumb donkey that don't understand the devs know what's good for you ];-) LOL! I think it's just that I am too dumb to program the changes I want to see; and I'm in the minority of users. I'd be happy to pay for the SeaMonkey of old, if they had enough people to support it. Sadly they don't... but I still appreciate their efforts. bj ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: what's happening w/ SM?
On 12-02-14 8:11 AM, _Bzzz_ spoke thusly: I'm using Iceape, which is the SM port under Debian Linux; 2 days ago it was upgraded to 2.7.1. From this upgrade, I noticed several *very* disagreeable things: * SM became bloated with pages using many JS (which I block w/ NoScript), exactly as FireFox did some weeks ago. Even not browsing does the bloat: just having the active tab w/ such a site is enough to rot a SM window switch. It was working perfectly w/ the former version..., I don't know what you mean by became bloat. If you're having problems with specific pages, could you tell us which pages and specifically what the problems are? Most folks in here are willing to help. It might be a little tougher than usual, because you're using Iceape. I don't know what other changes Debian made other than rebranding. * Cookies were almost easy to suppress in the former version (almost because asking are you sure when people has hit delete all cookies seemed strange), but yesterday I spent more than 5 minutes to do the same, as now they are separated by sites, 1. Go to Tools--Clear_Private_Data 2. Uncheck everything except Cookies. 3. Click [Clear Private Data Now]. * And the same for password that are now separated by sites. Same instructions as above, except replace the word Cookies with Saved Passwords. :) If you ant to clear both at the same time, you can leave both check marked. -- Chris Ilias http://ilias.ca Newsgroup moderator ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: what's happening w/ SM?
Bzzz wrote: On Tue, 14 Feb 2012 17:12:58 +0100 Ray_Nettbrraymond.schmit...@tbrscarlet.be wrote: Because the developpers knows better than you what is good for you :-( Yeah, that was my first thought (same as for gnome3:( Too bad, I liked it until this release - I'm gonna try Opera to see if it fits my need. Jiff I downloaded Opera yesterday and it solved my biggest problem of NOT being able to see websites in full screen. In SM 2.7, I get everything in a column with wide blank borders on each side. :( It makes me so sad, because I really don't want to give up SM, but now that I know changes in SM and not my new graphics card have caused this, I may have to change. Opera seems to be slower to me, however... and it would be another learning curve. Guess I'll try them both for awhile. bj ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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On Tue, 14 Feb 2012 15:44:43 -0500 Chris Ilias n...@ilias.ca wrote: I don't know what you mean by became bloat. If you're having problems Yes, I didn't used the right expression. For example, to answer your post I selected the SM window where such a site is opened (http://television.telerama.fr/tele/grille.php), it took almost 6 seconds to switch from claws-mail to this window and the site goes up to 100% CPU (Athlon-XP1600+) for 6 more seconds. W/ the former SM version, it didn't take ANY cpu raise and the switch took less than a second (and non, I'm not swapping: 900MB free RAM) with specific pages, could you tell us which pages and specifically what the problems are? Most folks in here are willing to help. It might be a little tougher than usual, because you're using Iceape. I don't know what other changes Debian made other than rebranding. Debian only uses another name because of a non-free policy (touching the logo if I remember well); but the code's exactly the same otherwise. * Cookies were almost easy to suppress in the former version (almost because asking are you sure when people has hit delete all cookies seemed strange), but yesterday I spent more than 5 minutes to do the same, as now they are separated by sites, 1. Go to Tools--Clear_Private_Data 2. Uncheck everything except Cookies. 3. Click [Clear Private Data Now]. I didn't think about this one, however WHY does the new tab presentation complicate things instead of make them easy? * And the same for password that are now separated by sites. Same instructions as above, except replace the word Cookies with Saved Passwords. :) I wasn't talking about wiping p/w, I was talking about having a very practical presentation of them in the former version. I usually drive around 3000 p/w, with such a quantity it is obvious that many sites uses the same one; real secured p/w being reserved for real security concerns. So, the older presentation was *really* a plus for me because it allowed a very quick check visual, which isn't the case anymore. All this story reminds me exactly the gnome3 phenomena: they changed all! shortcuts, display, windows places, etc and they don't take any criticism (even the constructive ones) in account. This is what gets me mad and why I'm gonna uninstall SM ASA p/w will be extracted for further restore in a product that don't take users for dummies. SM is following *exactly* the same scheme as certain sites that change their terms, indicating that from now to now on your data can be shared to whatever commercial partner... without me! -- America has been discovered before, but it has always been hushed up. -- Oscar Wilde ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Larry S. wrote: Sigh . . . The Cookie Safe page says Not available for SM 2.7.1. Sigh... You didn't even *try* to click the button (and then Install Anyway). Else you would have found that this add-on works with *any* version of SM since 2.1. Have a little faith. I didn't recommend some random add-on but one that I have installed myself. Tested, that is. What you see there is actually an AMO (addons.mozilla.org) bug. It still has not been updated for the times we live in now (compatible by default, i.e. any normal add-on that is compatible with at least SM 2.1 is automatically compatible with SM 2.7 and later). Maybe another case of we checked Firefox and Thunderbird and all looked well. I guess someone should file a bug report... Well, actually I just did: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=727228 Guess I'll try the Chrome approach. Whatever makes you happy... Thanks anyway--you are a very helpful and much appreciated resource in this group. Thanks for noticing. ;-) HTH Jens -- Jens Hatlak http://jens.hatlak.de/ SeaMonkey Trunk Tracker http://smtt.blogspot.com/ ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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On Tue, 14 Feb 2012 15:56:29 -0500 chicagofan m...@privacy.net wrote: I downloaded Opera yesterday and it solved my biggest problem of NOT being able to see websites in full screen. In SM 2.7, I get everything in a column with wide blank borders on each side. :( This is also my choice, I'll download it tonite or may be tomorrow. It makes me so sad, because I really don't want to give up SM, but now that I know changes in SM and not my new graphics card have caused this, I may have to change. Opera seems to be slower to me, however... and it would be another learning curve. Guess I'll try them both for awhile. Héhé, in this case SM could mean another acronym :) -- Execute every act of thy life as though it were thy last. -- Marcus Aurelius ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Bzzz wrote: On Tue, 14 Feb 2012 15:44:43 -0500 Chris Iliasn...@ilias.ca wrote: I don't know what you mean by became bloat. If you're having problems Yes, I didn't used the right expression. For example, to answer your post I selected the SM window where such a site is opened (http://television.telerama.fr/tele/grille.php), it took almost 6 seconds to switch from claws-mail to this window and the site goes up to 100% CPU (Athlon-XP1600+) for 6 more seconds. Seamonkey 2.7.1; Win/7 32-bit running as a VM inside Win/7 64-bit, with Server 2003 running as another VM at the same time. Seven seconds (or thereabouts) to complete the display, CPU never more than 60%, and typically no more than 5% to 10%. Intel i7 2.6GHz, 3440Mb allocated to each VM. Personally speaking, performance is not an issue for me; I didn't choose Seamonkey because it was the fastest kid on the block, I chose it because it offered what I looked for in terms of browser and IMAP integration, and in look and feel. It still offers what I want in terms of browser and IMAP integration, but the look and feel is nowhere near as attractive as it once was. I /really/ don't need a new tool bar to pop-up just because I press Ctrl-F, nor do I want it to start searching until I tell it to. And tabs are the spawn of the devil. Philip Taylor ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: what's happening w/ SM?
Bzzz wrote: On Tue, 14 Feb 2012 15:56:29 -0500 chicagofanm...@privacy.net wrote: I downloaded Opera yesterday and it solved my biggest problem of NOT being able to see websites in full screen. In SM 2.7, I get everything in a column with wide blank borders on each side. :( This is also my choice, I'll download it tonite or may be tomorrow. It makes me so sad, because I really don't want to give up SM, but now that I know changes in SM and not my new graphics card have caused this, I may have to change. Opera seems to be slower to me, however... and it would be another learning curve. Guess I'll try them both for awhile. Héhé, in this case SM could mean another acronym :) LOL!!! Sad but true! :) bj ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: what's happening w/ SM?
Jens Hatlak wrote: Larry S. wrote: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=727228 Guess I'll try the Chrome approach. Whatever makes you happy... Thanks anyway--you are a very helpful and much appreciated resource in this group. Thanks for noticing. ;-) HTH Jens Sorry, this isn't mentioned often enough! We all notice... really. :) Thanks!!! bj ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: what's happening w/ SM?
On Tue, 14 Feb 2012 15:56:29 -0500 chicagofan m...@privacy.net wrote: I downloaded Opera yesterday and it solved my biggest problem of NOT being able to see websites in full screen. In SM 2.7, I get everything in a column with wide blank borders on each side. :( Downloaded installed (they even have a Debian package:). One tweak: go to next tab instead of former in case of ctrl-w, installed the equivalents of noscript adblock; enabled and working very well, much faster than SM or FF... Bye SM. -- Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength. War is peace. -- George Orwell ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: what's happening w/ SM?
On 02/14/2012 01:14 PM, Bzzz wrote: On Tue, 14 Feb 2012 15:44:43 -0500 Chris Ilias n...@ilias.ca wrote: I don't know what you mean by became bloat. If you're having problems Yes, I didn't used the right expression. For example, to answer your post I selected the SM window where such a site is opened (http://television.telerama.fr/tele/grille.php), it took almost 6 seconds to switch from claws-mail to this window and the site goes up to 100% CPU (Athlon-XP1600+) for 6 more seconds. W/ the former SM version, it didn't take ANY cpu raise and the switch took less than a second (and non, I'm not swapping: 900MB free RAM) You probably should file a bug with your distro. In a comparison of Opera SM 2.7.1 in opening http://television.telerama.fr/tele/grille.php the result are the same: 13 seconds (from a low speed California US connection). Opera/9.80 (X11; Linux i686; U; en) Presto/2.10.229 Version/11.61 Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:10.0.1) Gecko/20120208 Firefox/10.0.1 SeaMonkey/2.7.1 Your X-Mailer identifier is: X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.8.0 (GTK+ 2.24.9; i486-pc-linux-gnu) so no idea what your actual SeaMonkey build is. with specific pages, could you tell us which pages and specifically what the problems are? Most folks in here are willing to help. It might be a little tougher than usual, because you're using Iceape. I don't know what other changes Debian made other than rebranding. Debian only uses another name because of a non-free policy (touching the logo if I remember well); but the code's exactly the same otherwise. That's an issue that you need to sort out with your disto. It could very well be that your distro version has issues - file a bug report with them. Come back when you've installed and tested the versions from: http://www.seamonkey-project.org/ http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/#2.7.1 ... All this story reminds me exactly the gnome3 phenomena: they changed all! shortcuts, display, windows places, etc and they don't take any criticism (even the constructive ones) in account. And this is relevant here why? This is what gets me mad and why I'm gonna uninstall SM ASA p/w will be extracted for further restore in a product that don't take users for dummies. SM is following *exactly* the same scheme as certain sites that change their terms, indicating that from now to now on your data can be shared to whatever commercial partner... without me! I suspect that your distro versions have been so poorly maintained that you are just now catching up with the changes from SeaMonkey 1.x to 2.7.x. Excuse me... that should be 'Iceape' instead of SeaMonkey. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: what's happening w/ SM?
On 12-02-14 4:14 PM, _Bzzz_ spoke thusly: On Tue, 14 Feb 2012 15:44:43 -0500 Chris Iliasn...@ilias.ca wrote: I don't know what you mean by became bloat. If you're having problems Yes, I didn't used the right expression. For example, to answer your post I selected the SM window where such a site is opened (http://television.telerama.fr/tele/grille.php), it took almost 6 seconds to switch from claws-mail to this window and the site goes up to 100% CPU (Athlon-XP1600+) for 6 more seconds. W/ the former SM version, it didn't take ANY cpu raise and the switch took less than a second (and non, I'm not swapping: 900MB free RAM) Are your plugins up to date? You can check by going to http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/plugincheck/. If that doesn't help, go to Help--Restart_with_Add-ons_Disabled. Does the problem still occur? If not, the cause is probably an extension. I wasn't talking about wiping p/w, I was talking about having a very practical presentation of them in the former version. I usually drive around 3000 p/w, with such a quantity it is obvious that many sites uses the same one; real secured p/w being reserved for real security concerns. So, the older presentation was *really* a plus for me because it allowed a very quick check visual, which isn't the case anymore. I'm not understanding how by being able to see a list of passwords for all sites is more useful when you use the same password for every site, but one thing you could try is the Saved Password Editor extension. 1. Go to Tools--Add-ons_Manager 2. On the left, select the Get Add-ons panel. 3. Do a search for Saved Password Editor 4. The Saved Password Editor extension should be the first result in the list. To the right of it, click install. -- Chris Ilias http://ilias.ca Newsgroup moderator ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: what's happening w/ SM?
On Tue, 14 Feb 2012 21:04:57 -0800 NoOp gl...@sbcglobal.net.invalid wrote: In a comparison of Opera SM 2.7.1 in opening http://television.telerama.fr/tele/grille.php the result are the same: 13 seconds (from a low speed California US connection). I wasn't talking about opening, just switching from claws-mail window to SM window that contains this site. so no idea what your actual SeaMonkey build is. 2.7.1 That's an issue that you need to sort out with your disto. No, that the same mess as the last firefox update: all of a sudden everything's going sluggish - very oddly linked to the most important addons (well, for me): noscript adblock. This is why I strongly suspect a manipulation to push people to jettison these addons. I didn't test SM without these addons to see if the behavior's the same as FF, but I would bet your head on that. All this story reminds me exactly the gnome3 phenomena: they changed all! shortcuts, display, windows places, etc and they don't take any criticism (even the constructive ones) in account. And this is relevant here why? Because unilateral changes only for the sake of change makes me sick. Anyway, this is now a closed issue as I switched to Opera. -- BOFH excuse #264: Your modem doesn't speak English. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
