Re: [Sursound] B format and atoms
Certainly the easiest workflow would be to simply decode your B-format to your bed format, 9.1 or 7.1.4, and mix into the bed directly. I don't know of any (released) decoder that does these layouts in a ProTools world, but you can always just use 7.1 and ignore height to get things working. Another approach starts by using a nice symmetrical or semi-symmetrical layout, for which the ambisonic decode works better, then use ATMOS panners to put the outputs of this decoder into the proper positions. This uses up objects for however many virtual speakers you use, of course. I have a sneaking suspicion that properly done square (or maybe 5 channel w/ height) done this way would sound good on the widest possible variety of playback systems. The first approach isn't ideal because, well 7.1, etc. aren't ideal. The second approach would be even more prone to have ATMOS mess it up somehow, though things that are normal in large theaters, like front to back delay lines, would play havoc with ambisonics either way and I don't know if this is sometimes or always present in ATMOS theaters. I've heard enough real feedback from folks trying this to know that it can sound fabulous, but not not enough to tell you how get good results every time. I would also suggest that by being much more directional in its virtual speakers, a parametric decoder is likely to suffer less from either of multi-speaker or delay issues, at least for highly directional sources. I would highly recommend a parametric decoder for this application. David VVAudio On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 1:18 PM, David Pickett <d...@fugato.com> wrote: > Has a sufficient spec of Atmos been published to allow one to know what is > needed to convert it to ambisonics? > > If so, I'd be pleased to be pointed to it. > > David > > > At 18:30 15-06-16, Jon Honeyball wrote: > >Are there tools out there for putting b format into atmos, and then > >doing atmos authoring? > > > >What are my options? > > > >Ta much > > > >jon > >-- next part -- > >An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > >URL: > ><https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/201606 > >15/b94fb5e1/attachment.html> > >___ > >Sursound mailing list > >Sursound@music.vt.edu > >https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe > >here, edit account or options, view archives and so on. > > ___ > Sursound mailing list > Sursound@music.vt.edu > https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, > edit account or options, view archives and so on. > -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20160615/8a764b7d/attachment.html> ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, edit account or options, view archives and so on.
Re: [Sursound] B format and atoms
thats atmos > ambsionics - Im sur etehre would be a way to go the other way round, maybe for some Amos mixes as well could be converted , but not all - if they make full use of the system On 15 June 2016 at 20:07, Augustine Leudar <augustineleu...@gmail.com> wrote: > Im not sure if you could to be honest - the point of atmos - from what I > can tell , is that you have speakers diffused throughout the space > including in the middle of the audience - so you can get sounds to go > through, in between, right next to the listeners. Even with focussed > sources you cant really do that with ambisonics so Im not sure how well it > would translate, happy to be proved wrong though ! > > On 15 June 2016 at 19:18, David Pickett <d...@fugato.com> wrote: > >> Has a sufficient spec of Atmos been published to allow one to know what >> is needed to convert it to ambisonics? >> >> If so, I'd be pleased to be pointed to it. >> >> David >> >> >> At 18:30 15-06-16, Jon Honeyball wrote: >> >Are there tools out there for putting b format into atmos, and then >> >doing atmos authoring? >> > >> >What are my options? >> > >> >Ta much >> > >> >jon >> >-- next part -- >> >An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> >URL: >> ><https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/201606 >> >15/b94fb5e1/attachment.html> >> >___ >> >Sursound mailing list >> >Sursound@music.vt.edu >> >https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe >> >here, edit account or options, view archives and so on. >> >> ___ >> Sursound mailing list >> Sursound@music.vt.edu >> https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, >> edit account or options, view archives and so on. >> > > > > -- > Augustine Leudar > Artistic Director Magik Door LTD > Company Number : NI635217 > Registered 63 Ballycoan rd, > Belfast BT88LL > > -- Augustine Leudar Artistic Director Magik Door LTD Company Number : NI635217 Registered 63 Ballycoan rd, Belfast BT88LL -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20160615/781fbf96/attachment.html> ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, edit account or options, view archives and so on.
Re: [Sursound] B format and atoms
Im not sure if you could to be honest - the point of atmos - from what I can tell , is that you have speakers diffused throughout the space including in the middle of the audience - so you can get sounds to go through, in between, right next to the listeners. Even with focussed sources you cant really do that with ambisonics so Im not sure how well it would translate, happy to be proved wrong though ! On 15 June 2016 at 19:18, David Pickett <d...@fugato.com> wrote: > Has a sufficient spec of Atmos been published to allow one to know what is > needed to convert it to ambisonics? > > If so, I'd be pleased to be pointed to it. > > David > > > At 18:30 15-06-16, Jon Honeyball wrote: > >Are there tools out there for putting b format into atmos, and then > >doing atmos authoring? > > > >What are my options? > > > >Ta much > > > >jon > >-- next part -- > >An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > >URL: > ><https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/201606 > >15/b94fb5e1/attachment.html> > >___ > >Sursound mailing list > >Sursound@music.vt.edu > >https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe > >here, edit account or options, view archives and so on. > > ___ > Sursound mailing list > Sursound@music.vt.edu > https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, > edit account or options, view archives and so on. > -- Augustine Leudar Artistic Director Magik Door LTD Company Number : NI635217 Registered 63 Ballycoan rd, Belfast BT88LL -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20160615/0f3b7d35/attachment.html> ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, edit account or options, view archives and so on.
[Sursound] B format and atoms
Are there tools out there for putting b format into atmos, and then doing atmos authoring? What are my options? Ta much jon -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20160615/b94fb5e1/attachment.html> ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, edit account or options, view archives and so on.
Re: [Sursound] Conversion from FOA to TOA ? How to and why or not?
Bo-Erik Sandholm wrote: > What is the simplest or best way to upscale FOA to TOA. Harpex-based upsamplers yield good results. Horizontal-only, you can use the Harpex-B plug-in. Full sphere, the Blue Ripple Sound Harpex Upsampler. http://harpex.net http://www.blueripplesound.com/products/toa-harpex-upsampler-vst - Daniel ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, edit account or options, view archives and so on.
[Sursound] Interactive Audio Systems Symposium, York - Call for Proposals Deadline July 1st
Hello all, Apologies for any cross-posting. A timely reminder that the deadline for proposals for papers or posters for the Interactive Audio Systems Symposium is July 1st. The symposium is a free event to be held at the University of York on the 23rd September. Please do forward to anyone you think would be would be interested in participating. Many thanks, Gavin Call for Contributions Interactive Audio Systems Symposium, University of York York, UK Friday 23rd September, 2016 Recent advances in low-cost motion-tracking and sensing technologies, coupled with increased computing power have paved the way for new methods of audio production and reproduction. Interactive audio systems can now readily utilise non-tactile data such as listener location, orientation, gestural control and even biometric feedback, such as heart rate, to intelligently adjust sound output. Such systems offer new creative possibilities for a diverse range of applications ranging from virtual reality, mobile technologies, in-car audio, gaming, social media and film and TV production. The University of York is pleased to announce a one-day symposium dedicated to this topic of interactive audio systems. The symposium will explore the perceptual, signal processing and creative challenges and opportunities arising from such audio systems affected through enhanced human-computer interaction. The symposium will consist of original paper and poster sessions as well as invited presentations from key industry figures and demonstrations of emerging interactive audio technologies. We are now accepting proposals (Abstract and Precis) for 4-8 page papers or posters on novel research in related fields to interactive audio including, but not limited to, the following areas: - Moving sounds and moving listeners - Audio for Virtual Reality - Spatial audio techniques - Psychoacoustics and perception - Signal processing for interactive audio - Robust listener control - Motion tracking - Game audio - Real-time audio synthesis - Interactive music generation - Workflows for interactive audio - Sound design for interactive audio We also invite proposals for tutorials, workshops and demos to be presented on the day. Prospective participants can download the call for contributions here: http://www.york.ac.uk/sadie-project/IASS2016/IASS_Call_for_Contributions_2016.pdf Important dates: July 1st 2016 - Paper/Poster Abstract Submission deadline July 15th 2016 - Notification of acceptance July 15th 2016 - Registration Opens July 31st 2016 - Workshop/Demos submission deadline August 26th 2016 - Camera-ready paper submission September 23rd 2016 - Symposium Please visit the symposium webpage for further details at http://www.sadie-project.co.uk/IASS2016.html Organising Committee: Symposium Chair: Gavin Kearney Email: iass-ch...@sadie-project.co.uk Papers Chairs: Gavin Kearney and Hyunkook Lee Email: iass-papers-ch...@sadie-project.co.uk Workshops Chairs: Sam Hughes and Mariana Lopez Email: iass-workshops-ch...@sadie-project.co.uk Program Committee: Jude Brereton, University of York Helena Daffern, University of York Marcin Gorzel, Google Inc. Sam Hughes, University of York Gavin Kearney, University of York Hyunkook Lee, University of Huddersfield Mariana Lopez, Anglia Ruskin University Damian Murphy, University of York Chris Pike, BBC R -- Dr. Gavin Kearney Lecturer in Audio and Music Technology Department of Electronics University of York Heslington York YO10 5DD Tel: +44 (0) 1904 32 2374 Fax: +44 (0) 1904 32 2335 Web: http://www.elec.york.ac.uk/ SADIE Project: http://www.sadie-project.co.uk/ Follow on Twitter: @SADIEprojectuk EMAIL DISCLAIMER http://www.york.ac.uk/docs/disclaimer/email.htm ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, edit account or options, view archives and so on.
[Sursound] Conversion from FOA to TOA ? How to and why or not?
I am not convinced of the need for this when having only my own FOA recordings in my library but... As most of the discussions are about higher order tools the idea comes to mind, What is the simplest or best way to upscale FOA to FOA. Bo-Erik -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20160615/ce46e4e6/attachment.html> ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, edit account or options, view archives and so on.
