Re: [Sursound] Sonicam
On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 04:29:02PM +0100, Steven Boardman wrote: > ‘Yes, 3rd Ambisonic will be in the first shipment, but 5th order > Ambisonic rendering will be provided in the early next year, by > upgrading the software.’ Anyone promising usable 5th order from such a system is either ignorant or deliberately misleading potential customers. Typical kickstarter vaporware. > A sphere of 17cm can’t be that great at high freq? Depends on the distance between the capsules. In this case the diameter is twice that of the Eigenmic, and the number of capsules is doubled, so polar patterns will start to break down at around 6 to 7 kHz or so (assuming optimum capsules placement). > Especially as the spec for each mems capsule is: noise level 67db, Let's hope they mean a S/N ratio 67 dB, which is a self noise level of 27 dB :-) Ciao, -- FA A world of exhaustive, reliable metadata would be an utopia. It's also a pipe-dream, founded on self-delusion, nerd hubris and hysterically inflated market opportunities. (Cory Doctorow) ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, edit account or options, view archives and so on.
Re: [Sursound] Re Re Soncam
product looks great as well though ! On 26 May 2017 at 17:50, Augustine Leudar wrote: > very high production value in that marketing vid. > > On 26 May 2017 at 17:41, James Anthony Enda Bates wrote: > >> Interesting alright, although yeah with 64 mics I'd be a little worried >> about the high frequency reconstruction and noise alright. I'm not >> surprised it outputs Ambisonics though, as that really is pretty standard >> now in the 360 video domain and most realise that 3rd order will be the >> standard soon (ish!). >> >> I have heard from a few different people who are shooting lots of 360 >> video/audio professionally that although having the mics built into the >> camera sounds like a great idea, there are actually often lots of good >> reasons to do it with a dedicated mic, especially for pro work. >> >> Btw I meet the people behind this mic (http://www.zylia.co) at AES last >> weekend and they inform me a software update is coming which will allow >> for >> up to 3rd order Ambisonics. The original idea of the mic was not really >> aimed at Ambisonics, but a 3rd order mic for about €1000 is definitely >> interesting. I believe it has 19 capsules. >> enda >> >> -- >> >> Dr. Enda Bates >> Teaching / Research Fellow >> Music & Media Technologies / School of Engineering >> Stack B, Custom House Quay, I.F.S.C., Dublin 1, Ireland, D01 V1F3. >> >> +353 1 896 1434 >> bate...@tcd.ie >> www.endabates.net<http://www.endabates.net>www.tcd.ie >> -- next part -- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: <https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachme >> nts/20170526/c6198ec9/attachment.html> >> ___ >> Sursound mailing list >> Sursound@music.vt.edu >> https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, >> edit account or options, view archives and so on. >> > > > > -- > Augustine Leudar > Artistic Director Magik Door LTD > Company Number : NI635217 > Registered 63 Ballycoan rd, > Belfast BT88LL > > -- Augustine Leudar Artistic Director Magik Door LTD Company Number : NI635217 Registered 63 Ballycoan rd, Belfast BT88LL -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20170526/80580365/attachment.html> ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, edit account or options, view archives and so on.
Re: [Sursound] Re Re Soncam
very high production value in that marketing vid. On 26 May 2017 at 17:41, James Anthony Enda Bates wrote: > Interesting alright, although yeah with 64 mics I'd be a little worried > about the high frequency reconstruction and noise alright. I'm not > surprised it outputs Ambisonics though, as that really is pretty standard > now in the 360 video domain and most realise that 3rd order will be the > standard soon (ish!). > > I have heard from a few different people who are shooting lots of 360 > video/audio professionally that although having the mics built into the > camera sounds like a great idea, there are actually often lots of good > reasons to do it with a dedicated mic, especially for pro work. > > Btw I meet the people behind this mic (http://www.zylia.co) at AES last > weekend and they inform me a software update is coming which will allow for > up to 3rd order Ambisonics. The original idea of the mic was not really > aimed at Ambisonics, but a 3rd order mic for about €1000 is definitely > interesting. I believe it has 19 capsules. > enda > > -- > > Dr. Enda Bates > Teaching / Research Fellow > Music & Media Technologies / School of Engineering > Stack B, Custom House Quay, I.F.S.C., Dublin 1, Ireland, D01 V1F3. > > +353 1 896 1434 > bate...@tcd.ie > www.endabates.net<http://www.endabates.net>www.tcd.ie > -- next part -- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: <https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/ > attachments/20170526/c6198ec9/attachment.html> > ___ > Sursound mailing list > Sursound@music.vt.edu > https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, > edit account or options, view archives and so on. > -- Augustine Leudar Artistic Director Magik Door LTD Company Number : NI635217 Registered 63 Ballycoan rd, Belfast BT88LL -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20170526/17762f23/attachment.html> ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, edit account or options, view archives and so on.
[Sursound] Re Re Soncam
Interesting alright, although yeah with 64 mics I'd be a little worried about the high frequency reconstruction and noise alright. I'm not surprised it outputs Ambisonics though, as that really is pretty standard now in the 360 video domain and most realise that 3rd order will be the standard soon (ish!). I have heard from a few different people who are shooting lots of 360 video/audio professionally that although having the mics built into the camera sounds like a great idea, there are actually often lots of good reasons to do it with a dedicated mic, especially for pro work. Btw I meet the people behind this mic (http://www.zylia.co) at AES last weekend and they inform me a software update is coming which will allow for up to 3rd order Ambisonics. The original idea of the mic was not really aimed at Ambisonics, but a 3rd order mic for about €1000 is definitely interesting. I believe it has 19 capsules. enda -- Dr. Enda Bates Teaching / Research Fellow Music & Media Technologies / School of Engineering Stack B, Custom House Quay, I.F.S.C., Dublin 1, Ireland, D01 V1F3. +353 1 896 1434 bate...@tcd.ie www.endabates.net<http://www.endabates.net>www.tcd.ie -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20170526/c6198ec9/attachment.html> ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, edit account or options, view archives and so on.
Re: [Sursound] Sonicam
I just messaged them, apparently it will be. They will be also providing access to each individual mic stream via a software upgrade! ‘Yes, 3rd Ambisonic will be in the first shipment, but 5th order Ambisonic rendering will be provided in the early next year, by upgrading the software.’ A sphere of 17cm can’t be that great at high freq? Especially as the spec for each mems capsule is: noise level 67db, frequency response 20～20khz. (They didn’t state + or - 3db) . I have asked for a 3rd order render, so lets see. Here’s to hoping… Steve > On 26 May 2017, at 14:00, Marc Lavallée wrote: > > > I notice that although it is a Ambisonic microphone, the audio is > rendered as a stereo binaural stream; it's not clear if the Ambisonic > stream is available. But often, Kickstarter campaigns are hiding > important details to target specific markets. > -- > Marc > > On Fri, 26 May 2017 09:14:15 +0100 > Steven Boardman wrote: > >> Hi all >> >> Just seen this... >> >> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/303473622/affordable-professional-360o-sound-and-video-camer >> >> It has 64mics, plus 9 4k camera's and is a lot cheaper than an Eigen >> mic. Any thoughts? As it's got my attention. >> >> Steve >> -- next part -- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: >> <https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20170526/d9657795/attachment.html> >> ___ Sursound mailing list >> Sursound@music.vt.edu >> https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe >> here, edit account or options, view archives and so on. > > ___ > Sursound mailing list > Sursound@music.vt.edu > https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, edit > account or options, view archives and so on. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20170526/f11af34f/attachment.html> ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, edit account or options, view archives and so on.
[Sursound] Ambisonic Sound Stage in Vermont- Need Advise!
Greetings! I have been following this group for several years and recently renovated a barn which has allowed me to consider setting up a Surround Sound Stage for playback and recording. I recently was did a workshop with Chris Watson from the UK where we used a Schoeps DMS set up, a DPA 5100 Surround, a Senn Ambio and a Soundfield MK2 ambisonic microphone. I have been motivated to move forward on setting up my speaker array and related hardware, but I am an architect and not a recording engineer and realize that I need some help with this!! I live about 3 hours south of Montreal, and 30 min north of Hanover, NH in Newbury, Vermont, and am wondering if there is anyone out there who might be able to advise/assist me in setting up an ambisonic speaker array/system in my barn. The would be done on a professional basis up to a point as this is a non commercial venture at this point. So, I hope this isn't too vague but if there is anyone out there who might be able to help with this project, I would greatly appreciate hearing from you and your advice! Best Scott WoodNewbury, Vermont -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20170526/6c4b53f4/attachment.html> ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, edit account or options, view archives and so on.
Re: [Sursound] Sonicam
I notice that although it is a Ambisonic microphone, the audio is rendered as a stereo binaural stream; it's not clear if the Ambisonic stream is available. But often, Kickstarter campaigns are hiding important details to target specific markets. -- Marc On Fri, 26 May 2017 09:14:15 +0100 Steven Boardman wrote: > Hi all > > Just seen this... > > https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/303473622/affordable-professional-360o-sound-and-video-camer > > It has 64mics, plus 9 4k camera's and is a lot cheaper than an Eigen > mic. Any thoughts? As it's got my attention. > > Steve > -- next part -- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20170526/d9657795/attachment.html> > ___ Sursound mailing list > Sursound@music.vt.edu > https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe > here, edit account or options, view archives and so on. ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, edit account or options, view archives and so on.
[Sursound] Sonicam
Hi all Just seen this... https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/303473622/affordable-professional-360o-sound-and-video-camer It has 64mics, plus 9 4k camera's and is a lot cheaper than an Eigen mic. Any thoughts? As it's got my attention. Steve -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20170526/d9657795/attachment.html> ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, edit account or options, view archives and so on.
