[Sursound] build in speakers

[Augustine Leudar]

Stuff I've done I've used those  speakers (sometimes called exciter) and
the vibrate that surface so useful for things like this. They won't sound
as good as a genelec but they sound descent enough. I'd use the big heavy
duty ones. I've a contact to get the hi end ones I can dig out if your
interested. Avoid dayton.

On Friday, 13 November 2020, David McKevy  wrote:

> Hi Soren
> My 2 cents:
> -shouldn't be a problem embedding a wooden speaker encasement with speaker,
> inside pretend stone jutting out from your wall here and there?
> Jutting out effect is made with paper mache or plaster of Paris covering
> the speaker box... and have the front (the part of the speaker the audience
> may see) covered with speaker cloth..
> You may want to stain or change the color of the cloth so obviously acrylic
> won't do for that, or anything that may stiffen that fabric, so stain it
> with dye (i.e. dye for tie-dye) if must discolor it.
> -you can play with using the stone backdrop as the rear of the speaker, so
> that the speaker with casing is fixed to the fake wall, (so, before the
> speaker with casing is fixed to it, the back of it is open  to reduce
> weight and strain on your wall.
> And here is where you'd have to trouble shoot the acoustics way more than
> the speaker cloth covering it for visual aesthetic.
> -embed speaker stands in the wall like how rebar is embedded in concrete in
> construction
>
> D McK
>
> On Fri, Nov 13, 2020, 8:21 AM Søren Bendixen 
> wrote:
>
> > Hi
> > I´m doing a lot of sound design for different museums and the museum uses
> > mainly Genelecs, different models (the Dante suited ones mostly). In the
> > current exhibition we have 57 speakers.
> > they sound good, distributes the sound fine, but they look like..speakers
> > and take up the space like speakers.
> >
> > And the designer of the exhibitions (and the soundesigner) doesn´t like a
> > modern looking speaker in the middle of set up about a neanderthal.
> > The speakers end up being placed "out of sight" - 3,5 - 4 meter above
> > ground, sometimes a combi of this high and on the floor.
> >
> > So If I want a group of Mammoths walking through the wood, they walk 4
> > meters up (and suddenly on the ground and up again) - so I don´t do the
> > walk...
> > Sometimes we want a projection on a large stone (build of wood and stuff)
> > to speak directly to the the viewer/listener, but the speaker hangs from
> > the ceiling - 3 meters up...
> >
> > In rare occasion we are allowed to build in the Genelecs and after
> > calibration it ended up sounding really good. (eight Genelec´s pointing
> > outwards in a circle, playing stereo (aka 4 stereo set ups)
> >
> > A lot of you guyes have probably experienced the same challenges. And
> like
> > me been searching the marked for build in possibilities
> > But I cannot find anything that both sound good and is build in capable
> > (or just "out of sight").
> > Where should I look?
> > any experience to share?
> > pros and cons?
> >
> > I know there are "laws and order" regarding how a speaker needs to be
> > build to make a sound (a good one)
> > and I´m talking to some technical guys about why not event a speaker that
> > uses the thing it is buid into as the sound chamber.
> > Of course in conjunction with some calibration.
> > So you have "the gut" of the speaker and uses (in this case) the Stone as
> > a chamber.
> > Anyone ever tried that?
> >
> > Another thing is how to cover up the speaker diaphragm/membrane, the we
> > don´t eat up the frequencies.
> >
> > Med venlig hilsen/Best regards
> >
> > Søren Bendixen
> > Composer/Sound Designer & Guitarist
> >
> > Company: Audiotect
> >
> > Radio Audiotect: Is closed atm.
> >
> >
> >
> > Latest Music and Sounddesign
> >
> > Neanderthal - In the Land of the Mammoth Hunters -17 nov 2020 - summer
> 2021
> > Moesgaard Museum special exhibition
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Stringquartet no. 1 - Release d. 200920
> >
> >
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Re: [Sursound] build in speakers

[David McKevy]

Hi Soren
My 2 cents:
-shouldn't be a problem embedding a wooden speaker encasement with speaker,
inside pretend stone jutting out from your wall here and there?
Jutting out effect is made with paper mache or plaster of Paris covering
the speaker box... and have the front (the part of the speaker the audience
may see) covered with speaker cloth..
You may want to stain or change the color of the cloth so obviously acrylic
won't do for that, or anything that may stiffen that fabric, so stain it
with dye (i.e. dye for tie-dye) if must discolor it.
-you can play with using the stone backdrop as the rear of the speaker, so
that the speaker with casing is fixed to the fake wall, (so, before the
speaker with casing is fixed to it, the back of it is open  to reduce
weight and strain on your wall.
And here is where you'd have to trouble shoot the acoustics way more than
the speaker cloth covering it for visual aesthetic.
-embed speaker stands in the wall like how rebar is embedded in concrete in
construction

D McK

On Fri, Nov 13, 2020, 8:21 AM Søren Bendixen 
wrote:

> Hi
> I´m doing a lot of sound design for different museums and the museum uses
> mainly Genelecs, different models (the Dante suited ones mostly). In the
> current exhibition we have 57 speakers.
> they sound good, distributes the sound fine, but they look like..speakers
> and take up the space like speakers.
>
> And the designer of the exhibitions (and the soundesigner) doesn´t like a
> modern looking speaker in the middle of set up about a neanderthal.
> The speakers end up being placed "out of sight" - 3,5 - 4 meter above
> ground, sometimes a combi of this high and on the floor.
>
> So If I want a group of Mammoths walking through the wood, they walk 4
> meters up (and suddenly on the ground and up again) - so I don´t do the
> walk...
> Sometimes we want a projection on a large stone (build of wood and stuff)
> to speak directly to the the viewer/listener, but the speaker hangs from
> the ceiling - 3 meters up...
>
> In rare occasion we are allowed to build in the Genelecs and after
> calibration it ended up sounding really good. (eight Genelec´s pointing
> outwards in a circle, playing stereo (aka 4 stereo set ups)
>
> A lot of you guyes have probably experienced the same challenges. And like
> me been searching the marked for build in possibilities
> But I cannot find anything that both sound good and is build in capable
> (or just "out of sight").
> Where should I look?
> any experience to share?
> pros and cons?
>
> I know there are "laws and order" regarding how a speaker needs to be
> build to make a sound (a good one)
> and I´m talking to some technical guys about why not event a speaker that
> uses the thing it is buid into as the sound chamber.
> Of course in conjunction with some calibration.
> So you have "the gut" of the speaker and uses (in this case) the Stone as
> a chamber.
> Anyone ever tried that?
>
> Another thing is how to cover up the speaker diaphragm/membrane, the we
> don´t eat up the frequencies.
>
> Med venlig hilsen/Best regards
>
> Søren Bendixen
> Composer/Sound Designer & Guitarist
>
> Company: Audiotect
>
> Radio Audiotect: Is closed atm.
>
>
>
> Latest Music and Sounddesign
>
> Neanderthal - In the Land of the Mammoth Hunters -17 nov 2020 - summer 2021
> Moesgaard Museum special exhibition
>
>
>
>
>
> Stringquartet no. 1 - Release d. 200920
>
>
>
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[Sursound] build in speakers

[Søren Bendixen]

Hi
I´m doing a lot of sound design for different museums and the museum uses 
mainly Genelecs, different models (the Dante suited ones mostly). In the 
current exhibition we have 57 speakers.
they sound good, distributes the sound fine, but they look like..speakers and 
take up the space like speakers. 

And the designer of the exhibitions (and the soundesigner) doesn´t like a 
modern looking speaker in the middle of set up about a neanderthal.
The speakers end up being placed "out of sight" - 3,5 - 4 meter above ground, 
sometimes a combi of this high and on the floor.

So If I want a group of Mammoths walking through the wood, they walk 4 meters 
up (and suddenly on the ground and up again) - so I don´t do the walk...
Sometimes we want a projection on a large stone (build of wood and stuff) to 
speak directly to the the viewer/listener, but the speaker hangs from the 
ceiling - 3 meters up...

In rare occasion we are allowed to build in the Genelecs and after calibration 
it ended up sounding really good. (eight Genelec´s pointing outwards in a 
circle, playing stereo (aka 4 stereo set ups)

A lot of you guyes have probably experienced the same challenges. And like me 
been searching the marked for build in possibilities 
But I cannot find anything that both sound good and is build in capable (or 
just "out of sight").
Where should I look?
any experience to share?
pros and cons?

I know there are "laws and order" regarding how a speaker needs to be build to 
make a sound (a good one)
and I´m talking to some technical guys about why not event a speaker that uses 
the thing it is buid into as the sound chamber.
Of course in conjunction with some calibration.
So you have "the gut" of the speaker and uses (in this case) the Stone as a 
chamber.
Anyone ever tried that?

Another thing is how to cover up the speaker diaphragm/membrane, the we don´t 
eat up the frequencies.

Med venlig hilsen/Best regards

Søren Bendixen
Composer/Sound Designer & Guitarist

Company: Audiotect

Radio Audiotect: Is closed atm.



Latest Music and Sounddesign

Neanderthal - In the Land of the Mammoth Hunters -17 nov 2020 - summer 2021
Moesgaard Museum special exhibition





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