[biofuel] Re: winterizing biodiesel

[Aleksander <kac]

--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Tom Kissick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Is there any additives currently available that can be mixed to 
drop the
> cloud point Aleks
Huh, there is:
- small amounts of regular gasoline (~5%), but this is not good for 
the engine
- in Europe there is a thing we call "motor petroleum", (kero?), can 
be added up to 30% - it's rather expensive
- different diesel fuel additives - found out to be expensive with 
little or no effect.
Best bet is to heat it up.

Cheers, Aleks


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Re: [biofuel] Re: winterizing biodiesel

[Tom Kissick]

Is there any additives currently available that can be mixed to drop the
cloud point Aleks


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[biofuel] Re: winterizing biodiesel

[Aleksander <kac]

--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Tom Kissick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> It is getting cold in northern Alberta,Is there a process to 
winterize biodiesel 
> 
Fuel line and filter heaters are a permanent solution, doable in DIY 
techniques.
http://www.planet-interkom.de/mic.stern/durchlauferhitzer.htm
It's in german, but you'll get the picture. A few pieces of copper 
tubing and a diesel glow plug is all it takes. Or you can buy 
identical expensive things from Racor (expensive here in Europe due 
to high shipment costs and customs duties.

Cheers, Aleks



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[biofuel] Re: Biodiesel for heating - viscosity

[Aleksander <kac]

--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> And just how am I to measure out ~5 centistokes?  What are 
centistrokes 
> anyway, a bug disease? 
Hey no need to be rude, man! You asked the question, here are the 
answers. 
Kinematic viscosity is measured in "Stokes". You can not measure it 
at home without a viscosimetre. There is a comparative way, though.
Take a liquid with a known viscosity value (dino heating oil, look 
the value up in a engineering manual) and let a known volume flow 
through an upsidedown plastic water bottle with a drinking straw 
glued in a hole in the screw top. Stop the time with a stopwatch. Do 
the same with your biodiesel (same volume) and compare the results. 
Generally a smaller diameter straw will produce more accurate 
results. If the time of your sample is 1.5 the time of your control 
sample (dino) this means its viscosity is roughly 1.6ish that of the 
control sample.

Cheers, Aleks



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[biofuel] winterizing biodiesel

[Tom Kissick]

It is getting cold in northern Alberta,Is there a process to winterize 
biodiesel 


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[biofuel] Re: Help with making biodiesel(long)

[Aleksander <kac]

Allan,

Animal fat contains a LOT OF WATER. It's very difficult to settle the 
water out. Generally speaking it would require a week to 10 days at 
55 degC to settle. Heat drying of natural fats is not very advisable 
because it tends to raise the acid count. Therefore partially dried 
animal fat is added to dried vegetable oil in a 25% vs. 75% ratio 
respectively. 
The two stage acid-base recipes are very much affected by water. One 
way to make it work better is to lower the temperature of your 
reaction mixture to 35 degC with the acid stage. Base stage should be 
done at whatever your usual temperature is (I prefer 55 degC). The 
time of the acid stage should be extended for 30% at least, base 
stage your usual time, I do it for 1.5 hours.

Biodiesel return should be at least 90% vol/vol on base recipes with 
reasonably clean and dry oil/fat. With acid/base recipes and the same 
quality of oil the return is 100-103% vol/vol.I know it sounds silly, 
but the density is so much lower that you can actually see the 
difference in volumes.

Biodiesel made with a high animal fat content is a lower grade fuel 
for several reasons:
1. it's more difficult to produce and therefore prone to production 
errors which lower the quality
2. cold weather properties are much worse than with vegetal fats
3. even with a good fat to ester conversion the liquid ester has a 
high viscosity value : generally more than 10 centistokes. Biodiesel 
standards allow for about 5.something centistokes.

I use my collected animal fats in a 10% mixture with veggie oil in 
biodiesel for the car in warmer months. In winter the said biodiesel 
is used for heating my flat and I run my Jeep on 100% veggie ester, 
without any additives (installled a cheapo fuel line heater, heheh).

Cheers, Aleks


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[biofuels-biz] Re: Coco Diesel Technology

[gjkimlin]

I note that the Coco diesel doesn't claim to be methyl esters. 
Digestion by micro-organisms is an obvious step in Oil extraction if 
the product doesn't need to be edible. It is quite likely that some 
yeast like bugs would target the glycerol part of an oil molecule, 
releasing FFAs. In fact any bug that causes rancidity would be 
expected to do just that. Many of the countries that produce excess 
coconut require stationary desiels that can easily be converted to 
SVO and coconut has the advantage of requiring next to no refining 
compared to other vegy oils that contain gums etc.. Hanns has worked 
for some time on practical alternatives for direct oil extraction 
from fresh coconuts-When he returns fron New Guinea I will refer this 
thread.
Regards from Harry


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Re: [biofuel] why not ask Mark from Hi clone your selfs

[steve spence]

I want unbiased accredited testing. not interested in dubious manufacturers
claims.


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> Hi Steve
>
> I'm a mechanic as well how ever I don't know Mark personably and
> thought I let him
> explain . why don't you and others ask him direct on what it is you all
> want to know about
> the Hi clone and its claims and so on as I did
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
> Martin R.
>
>
>
> At 09:25 PM 5/11/01, you wrote:
> >I guess you glossed over my explanation of the diesel power cycle.
> >
> >Did I mention I've been working on diesel's for 20 years. My grandfather
> >started the business 50 years ago. Did I mention I went to school for
> >Engineering Science? I only asked you to explain how this could work in a
> >diesel, and since you could not explain, how am I to take your claims
> >seriously? Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence
> >
> >
> >Steve Spence
> >Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter:
>
>http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm
> >
> >Renewable Energy Pages -
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> >Human powered devices, equipment, and transport -
>
>http://24.190.106.81:8383/20
00/humanpower.htm
> >[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >- Original Message -
> >From: "bloke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: 
> >Sent: Monday, November 05, 2001 4:22 AM
> >Subject: Re: Re: [biofuel] Re: Hiclone
> >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I love the unbiased scientific procedure used . " they sell magnets ,
they
> >not credible"
> > > A Hiclone got nothing to do with magnets.
> > > Its got to do with air flow
> > > It has not been in any way proved to not work other than " They sell
> >magnets"
> > > Somehow , in the unbiased and totaly openminded evaluation of Hiclone
by
> >the scientist , them magnets sorta stuck things up.
> > > Its just too bad .
> > > For science that is.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > -Original Message-
> > > > From: "steve spence" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > To: 
> > > > Sent: Sun, 4 Nov 2001 08:24:56 -0500
> > > > Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: Hiclone
> > > >
> > > >I've seen no log book evidence by an unbiased accredited testing lab.
Is
> > > >that too much too ask? We had a friend that used to go on and on
about
> >the
> > > >great mileage his vw used to get. Finally some other "friends" got
tired
> >of
> > > >hearing about it all the time, and started adding a little fuel time
> >after
> > > >time. He got so excited about his "80mpg car" he called vw. when he
> >finally
> > > >found out what was going on, he wouldn't speak with them for close to
a
> > > >year. So, logbooks? hmm..
> > > >
> > > >Steve Spence
> > > >Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter:
> > >
>http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm
> > > >
> > > >Renewable Energy Pages -
> > http://www.webconx.dns2go.com/
> > > >Human powered devices, equipment, and transport -
> > >
>http://24.190.106.81:838
> > 3/2000/humanpower.htm
> > > >[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > >- Original Message -
> > > >From: "Neoteric Biofuels" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > >To: 
> > > >Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2001 4:34 PM
> > > >Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: Hiclone
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >> Ok. remote chance, not too likely, and the log book evidence that's
> >been
> > > >> presented...
> > > >>
> > > >> Well, who knows. Certainly, the company offers no solid proof they
work
> > > >(the
> > > >> devices...well maybe not the perps either), which would help their
> >sales
> > > >> quite a lot, so ya gotta wonder about that.
> > > >>
> > > >> But hey, don't be so tough on them about the magnets.
> > > >>
> > > >> I put magnets on my fuel line.
> > > >>
> > > >> My appetite increased  (well, maybe it was the SVO exhaust ) and I
saw
> >a
> > > >5%
> > > >> increase in fuel economy in the cars next to me at stop lights
(there
> >is
> > > >> some evidence to suggest this may have been attributable to the
fact
> >that
> > > >> their inferior spark ignition systems were interrupted by the
powerful
> > > >> magnetic field emanating from my diesel vehicle, causing inductive
> > > >stalling
> > > >> tendencies).
> > > >>
> > > >> I did win a lot of pink slips in drag racing against such
unsuspecting
> > > >> owners with my 300D, having issued the challenge
> > > >> (and having it accepted) just before the magnetic field produced
the
> > > >desired
> > > >> effect.
> > > >>
> > > >> My new collect

Re: [biofuel] Biodiesel processors

[MgroveOES]

I use a 50gal. hot water to process 40gal. of wvo per batch, I let the top on 
and circulate the mix with a pump instead of a mechanical mixer, works fine 
presently have 5000 miles on a 2000 dodge Cummins diesel, so far so good.


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Re: [biofuel] Here in the frozen North...

[chrisnaturoil]

have a look at the babington burner in the wastewatts group l will try and 
find the address later and post it


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Re: [biofuel] Biodiesel for heating was:Here in the frozen North...

[Neoteric Biofuels]

I repeat...preheat.



> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 17:38:44 EST
> To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [biofuel] Biodiesel for heating was:Here in the frozen North...
> 
> And just how am I to measure out ~5 centistokes?  What are centistrokes
> anyway, a bug disease?  I can fairly say that this same fuel is now making a
> lot of local Jetta, Passat and Mercedes owners happy, with no reported
> problems.  Its not the fuel, its the technology.  As for temperature, a stone
> basement is steady at about 50¡ F. this time of year. That represents the
> yearly maximum, and it will drop a few degrees over the next 3 months. If it
> can't take it now, there is no hope for the future.
> 
> Anyone had a sucessful run on a Carlin or a Beckett burner? What nozzle size,
> shutter setting, etc did you use? Any other modifications?
> 
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Re: [biofuel] Biodiesel for heating was:Here in the frozen North...

[Tilapia]

And just how am I to measure out ~5 centistokes?  What are centistrokes 
anyway, a bug disease?  I can fairly say that this same fuel is now making a 
lot of local Jetta, Passat and Mercedes owners happy, with no reported 
problems.  Its not the fuel, its the technology.  As for temperature, a stone 
basement is steady at about 50¡ F. this time of year. That represents the 
yearly maximum, and it will drop a few degrees over the next 3 months. If it 
can't take it now, there is no hope for the future.

Anyone had a sucessful run on a Carlin or a Beckett burner? What nozzle size, 
shutter setting, etc did you use? Any other modifications?

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Re: [biofuel] Here in the frozen North...

[Tilapia]

Ah, yes but what modifications?  The heating fuel specialist said he could do 
some experiments back in the shop, but that is going to cost a few dollars. 
Anyone interested in the science of biodiesel enough to cough up a few 
dollars so we can answer this burning question?  I'm taking up a fund. I 
would post the full answer here and on my web site at Yellowbiodiesel.com.

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Re: [biofuel] Chainsaws

[Tilapia]

I recommend you use the glycerine byproduct for this, its stickier. 
Just remember to keep your chainsaw in a hot place!

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RE: [biofuel] WTB: Diesel VW car w/ auto trans.

[Douglas L Murray]

You may want to check around about the old automatics in the early VW's they
weren't to good and very few people can fix them right.

http://www.tagnet.org/washington
http://www.tagnet.org/washington/sabbath_trail.html
http://www.biblicalperspectives.com

Doug Murray

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From: Neoteric Biofuels [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [biofuel] WTB: Diesel VW car w/ auto trans.

Got to www.canada411.com and look up a Robert Johnston on the Lambton Line
under Wallaceburg, Ontario. That's near Detroit. Tell Rob I sent you. He has
a fair number of VW diesel and lots of contacts on VW and Porcshe in
Ontario, and from the Porsche club, I think in Michigan. Might lead you to
one. They are hard to find. I had a turbo automatic. Even harder to find
(1984 model).

Ed Beggs
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> From: "sean" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 15:01:30 -
> To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [biofuel] WTB: Diesel VW car w/ auto trans.
>
> I'm looking for a low cost automatic diesel VW car/truck. Which model
> is not important. It need not be pretty, but it does need to be
> mechanically sound. Preferably early 1980's or older.
>
> I plan on doing a 'heated fuel tank' conversion on it to use WVO.  If
> anyone has any leads on one in or near Michigan, I'd appreciate it.
>
> Thanks,
> Sean
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [biofuel] Chainsaws

[Pip J. Patton]

Good idea. I think I'll try that.


On Mon, 5 Nov 2001 06:16:13 -0800 (PST) Dana Linscott
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I don't think it has enough "cling" property to
> provide good protection as a bar lube. Of course if
> you decide to experiment just stop and feel your bar
> on the bottom rear every now and then. If it gets hot
> the bar lube is not doing its job.
> 


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Re: [biofuel] Chainsaws

[Pip J. Patton]

Thanks for the reply.  So, can I use straight WVO?  


On Mon, 05 Nov 2001 07:21:30 -0800 Neoteric Biofuels <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
writes:
> Rapeseed or Canola is often used in environmentally friendly 
> bar-and-chain
> formulations. It has always been known for its exceptional cling 
> properties
> and does not fly off metal or wash off (so was used in steam 
> engines).
> 
> It works very well, clings better, and lubricates better than the 
> red oil
> which is ususally used motor oil that has been refined and had red 
> dye added
> to it. (We literally dutifully collect our our from our oil changes, 
> being
> very careful not to spill any into the driveway or sewer, drive it 
> to the
> collection depot, a truck drives around the country collecting it, a
> refinery uses energy re-refining it, another truck takes it to the 
> store in
> a lot of packaging, and the oil is then re-purchased, taken out to 
> the
> woods...and dumped on the groundin a dispersed way of course, 
> but that
> is the mechanism.
> 
>  There are a number of companies, ours included, that offer bar and 
> chain
> oil based on rapeseed oil or Canola oil. The base stock needs an 
> additive
> package for proper winter/summer viscosity and other properties 
> required.
> 
> It is required in many forestry operations in Germany, has been 
> adopted and
> recommended by the British Environment ministry, etc.
> 
> These are "total loss lubricants", and between chain saws and tree
> harvesters, represent a direct form of pollution to soil and water 
> that runs
> in the millions of litres a year. Estimates vary, but one litre of 
> oil
> contaminates 10,000 litres of drinking water - some sources put that 
> as high
> as a million litres of water.
> 
> Vegetable oil based lubricants do not pollute water and are 
> non-toxic to
> wildlife.
> 
> Users often report increased chain life (up to 400%) fewer 
> sharpenings
> needed and it is possible, if the saw is equipped, to turn down the 
> metering
> valve for oiling, and use the minimum flow rate.
> 
> In Canada alone, it is estimated that about 6 kilotonnes of these 
> lubricants
> are used in professional forestry a year - that figure does not 
> include the
> amount used by farmers, homeowners, etc.
> 
> 
> Ed B.
> www.biofuels.ca 
> 



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Re: [biofuels-biz] Coco Diesel Technology

[Sharon & Mac]

Please send imfo on less risky ways to make bio diesel when your ready
Regards Ronald.


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Re: [biofuel] WTB: Diesel VW car w/ auto trans.

[Neoteric Biofuels]

Got to www.canada411.com and look up a Robert Johnston on the Lambton Line
under Wallaceburg, Ontario. That's near Detroit. Tell Rob I sent you. He has
a fair number of VW diesel and lots of contacts on VW and Porcshe in
Ontario, and from the Porsche club, I think in Michigan. Might lead you to
one. They are hard to find. I had a turbo automatic. Even harder to find
(1984 model).

Ed Beggs
www.biofuels.ca

> From: "sean" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 15:01:30 -
> To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [biofuel] WTB: Diesel VW car w/ auto trans.
> 
> I'm looking for a low cost automatic diesel VW car/truck. Which model
> is not important. It need not be pretty, but it does need to be
> mechanically sound. Preferably early 1980's or older.
> 
> I plan on doing a 'heated fuel tank' conversion on it to use WVO.  If
> anyone has any leads on one in or near Michigan, I'd appreciate it.
> 
> Thanks,
> Sean
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [biofuel] Chainsaws

[Neoteric Biofuels]

Rapeseed or Canola is often used in environmentally friendly bar-and-chain
formulations. It has always been known for its exceptional cling properties
and does not fly off metal or wash off (so was used in steam engines).

It works very well, clings better, and lubricates better than the red oil
which is ususally used motor oil that has been refined and had red dye added
to it. (We literally dutifully collect our our from our oil changes, being
very careful not to spill any into the driveway or sewer, drive it to the
collection depot, a truck drives around the country collecting it, a
refinery uses energy re-refining it, another truck takes it to the store in
a lot of packaging, and the oil is then re-purchased, taken out to the
woods...and dumped on the groundin a dispersed way of course, but that
is the mechanism.

 There are a number of companies, ours included, that offer bar and chain
oil based on rapeseed oil or Canola oil. The base stock needs an additive
package for proper winter/summer viscosity and other properties required.

It is required in many forestry operations in Germany, has been adopted and
recommended by the British Environment ministry, etc.

These are "total loss lubricants", and between chain saws and tree
harvesters, represent a direct form of pollution to soil and water that runs
in the millions of litres a year. Estimates vary, but one litre of oil
contaminates 10,000 litres of drinking water - some sources put that as high
as a million litres of water.

Vegetable oil based lubricants do not pollute water and are non-toxic to
wildlife.

Users often report increased chain life (up to 400%) fewer sharpenings
needed and it is possible, if the saw is equipped, to turn down the metering
valve for oiling, and use the minimum flow rate.

In Canada alone, it is estimated that about 6 kilotonnes of these lubricants
are used in professional forestry a year - that figure does not include the
amount used by farmers, homeowners, etc.


Ed B.
www.biofuels.ca 

> From: Dana Linscott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 06:16:13 -0800 (PST)
> To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [biofuel] Chainsaws
> 
> I don't think it has enough "cling" property to
> provide good protection as a bar lube. Of course if
> you decide to experiment just stop and feel your bar
> on the bottom rear every now and then. If it gets hot
> the bar lube is not doing its job.
> 
> --- "Pip J. Patton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Does anyone know if bio-diesel or vegi oil will work
>> as a bar-and-chain
>> lubricant?
>> 
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[biofuel] WTB: Diesel VW car w/ auto trans.

[sean]

I'm looking for a low cost automatic diesel VW car/truck. Which model 
is not important. It need not be pretty, but it does need to be 
mechanically sound. Preferably early 1980's or older.

I plan on doing a 'heated fuel tank' conversion on it to use WVO.  If 
anyone has any leads on one in or near Michigan, I'd appreciate it. 

Thanks,
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[biofuel] I need help with making biodiesel

[allan . waide]

If anyone can help, I am having trouble with the making of 
biodiesel.  The oil we are getting is almost 100% animal fat.  When 
mixing using the two stage base method, we tend to get almost half 
the mixture as a solid dark brown lump and the other half as what we 
are reasonably sure is bio-diesel which tends to clean up well after 
several washes.  We have found however that we need an extra 10-15% 
methoxide mixture during the second stage otherwise it doesn't seem 
to react at all.
When using the two stage acid method ( the foolproof way??) the whole 
mixture sets as a dark brown/red solid jelly looking lump. We usually 
have reheat it and put in an extra 20% methoxide mix to get anything 
out.

Has anyone had similar problems or know of something we need to 
do/try to overcome these problems???

What is the usual amount of biodiesel that is returned for each litre 
of fat.???

Allan

  


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Re: [biofuel] Chainsaws

[Dana Linscott]

I don't think it has enough "cling" property to
provide good protection as a bar lube. Of course if
you decide to experiment just stop and feel your bar
on the bottom rear every now and then. If it gets hot
the bar lube is not doing its job.

--- "Pip J. Patton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Does anyone know if bio-diesel or vegi oil will work
> as a bar-and-chain
> lubricant?
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[biofuel] why not ask Mark from Hi clone your selfs

[Martin R.]

Hi Steve

I'm a mechanic as well how ever I don't know Mark personably and 
thought I let him
explain . why don't you and others ask him direct on what it is you all 
want to know about
the Hi clone and its claims and so on as I did

[EMAIL PROTECTED]


Martin R.



At 09:25 PM 5/11/01, you wrote:
>I guess you glossed over my explanation of the diesel power cycle.
>
>Did I mention I've been working on diesel's for 20 years. My grandfather
>started the business 50 years ago. Did I mention I went to school for
>Engineering Science? I only asked you to explain how this could work in a
>diesel, and since you could not explain, how am I to take your claims
>seriously? Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence
>
>
>Steve Spence
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>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>- Original Message -
>From: "bloke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: 
>Sent: Monday, November 05, 2001 4:22 AM
>Subject: Re: Re: [biofuel] Re: Hiclone
>
>
> >
> >
> >
> > I love the unbiased scientific procedure used . " they sell magnets , they
>not credible"
> > A Hiclone got nothing to do with magnets.
> > Its got to do with air flow
> > It has not been in any way proved to not work other than " They sell
>magnets"
> > Somehow , in the unbiased and totaly openminded evaluation of Hiclone by
>the scientist , them magnets sorta stuck things up.
> > Its just too bad .
> > For science that is.
> >
> >
> >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: "steve spence" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > To: 
> > > Sent: Sun, 4 Nov 2001 08:24:56 -0500
> > > Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: Hiclone
> > >
> > >I've seen no log book evidence by an unbiased accredited testing lab. Is
> > >that too much too ask? We had a friend that used to go on and on about
>the
> > >great mileage his vw used to get. Finally some other "friends" got tired
>of
> > >hearing about it all the time, and started adding a little fuel time
>after
> > >time. He got so excited about his "80mpg car" he called vw. when he
>finally
> > >found out what was going on, he wouldn't speak with them for close to a
> > >year. So, logbooks? hmm..
> > >
> > >Steve Spence
> > >Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter:
> > >http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm
> > >
> > >Renewable Energy Pages - 
> http://www.webconx.dns2go.com/
> > >Human powered devices, equipment, and transport -
> > >http://24.190.106.81:838 
> 3/2000/humanpower.htm
> > >[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >- Original Message -
> > >From: "Neoteric Biofuels" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >To: 
> > >Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2001 4:34 PM
> > >Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: Hiclone
> > >
> > >
> > >> Ok. remote chance, not too likely, and the log book evidence that's
>been
> > >> presented...
> > >>
> > >> Well, who knows. Certainly, the company offers no solid proof they work
> > >(the
> > >> devices...well maybe not the perps either), which would help their
>sales
> > >> quite a lot, so ya gotta wonder about that.
> > >>
> > >> But hey, don't be so tough on them about the magnets.
> > >>
> > >> I put magnets on my fuel line.
> > >>
> > >> My appetite increased  (well, maybe it was the SVO exhaust ) and I saw
>a
> > >5%
> > >> increase in fuel economy in the cars next to me at stop lights (there
>is
> > >> some evidence to suggest this may have been attributable to the fact
>that
> > >> their inferior spark ignition systems were interrupted by the powerful
> > >> magnetic field emanating from my diesel vehicle, causing inductive
> > >stalling
> > >> tendencies).
> > >>
> > >> I did win a lot of pink slips in drag racing against such unsuspecting
> > >> owners with my 300D, having issued the challenge
> > >> (and having it accepted) just before the magnetic field produced the
> > >desired
> > >> effect.
> > >>
> > >> My new collection of CRX's, Accord's, and 5.0 litre 'stangs has more
>than
> > >> compensated for any feeling that the magnets had zero influence on my
>own
> > >> car's performance, and so from that I submit that their purchase cage
>me
> > >a
> > >> 16,000,000,000% ROI in less than a month.
> > >>
> > >> ;-)
> > >>
> > >> Ed B.
> > >> www.biofuels.ca
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> > From: "steve spence" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >> > Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
> > >> > Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2001 15:38:07 -0500
> > >> > To: 
> > >> > Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: Hiclone
> > >> >
> > >> > notice the specially designed ports and cylinder head, designed to
> > >maintain
> > >> > swirl after valves are closed. without that, swirl 

Re: [biofuel] Hi Clone imfo.

[bloke]

Thanks fella , Thanks.



> -Original Message-
> From: "Martin R." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 20:33:50 +1100
> Subject: [biofuel] Hi Clone imfo.
>
>Hi all
>have a read what Mark from Hiclone had to say about your comments that I 
>send to him
>
>Martin R.
>
>
>
>Hi Martin
>There are two types of people in the world the Dinosaurs and the open minde
>d.
>The Dinosaurs live on their flat world, and are too scared to travel and 
>learn as they know that one day they will fall off the edge.
>The Open Minded shall inherit the earth.
>Vintage cars used an air filter which was a series of vanes which would 
>spin the dust out of the air, no filter element. We can now buy "Modern" 
>vacuum cleaners which don't have bags.
>Also in the 1920's it was discovered that you could place these vanes in a 
>different arrangement and create an airstream which could atomise the fuel 
>and carry it through the centre of a cyclone type airstream to the 
>combustion chamber. The idea was then lost to people who had financial 
>reasons for hiding this technology. So why it works on carb. engines is 
>easy to understand.
>You can find many similar devises installed on production cars also -
>Porsche has units in their air intakes,
>Corvette throttle body injection has units,
>Subaru WRX in 2000 has 4 units to increase swirl to pass US emission laws 
>which also results in 10% more economy.Mitsubishi have a direct petrol 
>injection engine which gives 20% more economy, For $160 we can give the 
>current engine 15% more economy.
>The general rule with the car industry is they only give you what the 
>regulations dictate, every time the government brings in a new emission 
>standard the only ever meet it and don't exceed it.
>If modern cars are so efficient why do they need Cat. Converters to break 
>down the unburnt fuel, Why in some countries do Diesels also need Cats. as 
>well???
>I have Diesel Smokemeter test results showing 50% reduction in fuel smoke, 
>an installation time between tests of 7 minutes.
>I have tested a cylinder head and manifold on a test bench which showed an 
>increase in swirl in the combustion chamber from 270 rpm to 980 rpm (over 3
> 
>times the swirl). How long does it take to stop swirl, and how long does 
>the combustion process take???
>If you can increase swirl in the combustion, this means a faster moving 
>flame front over the crown of the piston, a more even down force on the 
>piston means less piston slap against the bore, which results in less 
>mechanical noise.
>Every combustion engine, every type of fuel, is mixed with air at the 
>combustion chamber.
>Is Hiclone a restriction??
>Jeep 4.0l efi breathes through a plastic plug in venturi, which reduces the
> 
>air flow down from a 75mm hole down to a 50mm hole,
>A Mercedes large ( over 8.0l ) bus engine breathes through a 40mm hole,
>Mercedes 3.0l car also 40mm,
>The blades of a Hiclone are less than 0.5 mm thick. On a V8 5.0l engine we 
>use a 78mm Hiclone for a 65mm throttle disc???
>Why use more than one Hiclone on one car, My car has 12 Hiclones and has 
>gone from 17mpg to 36mpg, 8 in the manifold, 3 in the hose from the air 
>filter and one in the exhaust. Now it has more and I am to start testing 
>again soon.
>Hiclone has a money-back guarantee, I never make it compulsory to buy more 
>than one(unless the car has two or more air intakes) I let my customers 
>decide what works on their cars. I have customers with 9 on one car, they 
>started with only one and they wanted to try more.
>For the dinosaurs, I don't pay for your fuel, and I'll catch up with you, 
>when you catch up with the modern world.
>Why do we fit it before turbo's as well as after???
>A 21% power increase at 90kmh on a Saab turbo in 3rd gear, Reduced Turbo La
>g.
>A turbo is 2 fans on a common shaft, one turned by the exhaust gas, which 
>turns and pressurises the intake air. If the air is already spinning this 
>requires less effort from the exhaust gas and less heat, to pressurise the 
>intake manifold.
>But I must also say that Hiclone does have some problems, this mainly 
>concerns some of the people selling them. Because it seems like such a 
>simple product, some of the wrong people end up trying to sell them. You 
>wouldn't go to a butchers shop for open heart surgery, So I don't 
>understand why some people some people want to buy auto parts from a failed
> 
>restaurateur(in Queensland) and you also pay more for the lack of service 
>as well. These people no longer have access to our fitment catalogues or 
>information services. They only have a 60% success rating, where as 
>mechanics have 99% success ratings. Hiclone do not recommend the magnetic 
>devices anymore, due to ethics. THERE ARE OVER 15 COMPANIES IN AUSTRALIA, 
>WHO ALL THINK THEY ARE THE SOLE AUST. DISTRIBUTORS OF THE SAME PRODUCT. You
> 
>can buy them from $60 to $160, depending on who you choose to buy them 
>from, and how greedy the salesm

Re: [biofuel] Hi Clone imfo.

[steve spence]

I look forward to some accredited 3rd party evidence.

I'm no dinosaur, otherwise I'd not be running diesels on SVO.

Steve Spence
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- Original Message -
From: "Martin R." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Monday, November 05, 2001 4:33 AM
Subject: [biofuel] Hi Clone imfo.


> Hi all
> have a read what Mark from Hiclone had to say about your comments that I
> send to him
>
> Martin R.
>
>
>
> Hi Martin
> There are two types of people in the world the Dinosaurs and the open
minded.
> The Dinosaurs live on their flat world, and are too scared to travel and
> learn as they know that one day they will fall off the edge.
> The Open Minded shall inherit the earth.
> Vintage cars used an air filter which was a series of vanes which would
> spin the dust out of the air, no filter element. We can now buy "Modern"
> vacuum cleaners which don't have bags.
> Also in the 1920's it was discovered that you could place these vanes in a
> different arrangement and create an airstream which could atomise the fuel
> and carry it through the centre of a cyclone type airstream to the
> combustion chamber. The idea was then lost to people who had financial
> reasons for hiding this technology. So why it works on carb. engines is
> easy to understand.
> You can find many similar devises installed on production cars also -
> Porsche has units in their air intakes,
> Corvette throttle body injection has units,
> Subaru WRX in 2000 has 4 units to increase swirl to pass US emission laws
> which also results in 10% more economy.Mitsubishi have a direct petrol
> injection engine which gives 20% more economy, For $160 we can give the
> current engine 15% more economy.
> The general rule with the car industry is they only give you what the
> regulations dictate, every time the government brings in a new emission
> standard the only ever meet it and don't exceed it.
> If modern cars are so efficient why do they need Cat. Converters to break
> down the unburnt fuel, Why in some countries do Diesels also need Cats. as
> well???
> I have Diesel Smokemeter test results showing 50% reduction in fuel smoke,
> an installation time between tests of 7 minutes.
> I have tested a cylinder head and manifold on a test bench which showed an
> increase in swirl in the combustion chamber from 270 rpm to 980 rpm (over
3
> times the swirl). How long does it take to stop swirl, and how long does
> the combustion process take???
> If you can increase swirl in the combustion, this means a faster moving
> flame front over the crown of the piston, a more even down force on the
> piston means less piston slap against the bore, which results in less
> mechanical noise.
> Every combustion engine, every type of fuel, is mixed with air at the
> combustion chamber.
> Is Hiclone a restriction??
> Jeep 4.0l efi breathes through a plastic plug in venturi, which reduces
the
> air flow down from a 75mm hole down to a 50mm hole,
> A Mercedes large ( over 8.0l ) bus engine breathes through a 40mm hole,
> Mercedes 3.0l car also 40mm,
> The blades of a Hiclone are less than 0.5 mm thick. On a V8 5.0l engine we
> use a 78mm Hiclone for a 65mm throttle disc???
> Why use more than one Hiclone on one car, My car has 12 Hiclones and has
> gone from 17mpg to 36mpg, 8 in the manifold, 3 in the hose from the air
> filter and one in the exhaust. Now it has more and I am to start testing
> again soon.
> Hiclone has a money-back guarantee, I never make it compulsory to buy more
> than one(unless the car has two or more air intakes) I let my customers
> decide what works on their cars. I have customers with 9 on one car, they
> started with only one and they wanted to try more.
> For the dinosaurs, I don't pay for your fuel, and I'll catch up with you,
> when you catch up with the modern world.
> Why do we fit it before turbo's as well as after???
> A 21% power increase at 90kmh on a Saab turbo in 3rd gear, Reduced Turbo
Lag.
> A turbo is 2 fans on a common shaft, one turned by the exhaust gas, which
> turns and pressurises the intake air. If the air is already spinning this
> requires less effort from the exhaust gas and less heat, to pressurise the
> intake manifold.
> But I must also say that Hiclone does have some problems, this mainly
> concerns some of the people selling them. Because it seems like such a
> simple product, some of the wrong people end up trying to sell them. You
> wouldn't go to a butchers shop for open heart surgery, So I don't
> understand why some people some people want to buy auto parts from a
failed
> restaurateur(in Queensland) and you also pay more for the lack of service
> as well. These people no longer have access to our fitment catalogues or
> information services. They only have a 60% success r

Re: Re: [biofuel] Re: Hiclone

[steve spence]

I guess you glossed over my explanation of the diesel power cycle.

Did I mention I've been working on diesel's for 20 years. My grandfather
started the business 50 years ago. Did I mention I went to school for
Engineering Science? I only asked you to explain how this could work in a
diesel, and since you could not explain, how am I to take your claims
seriously? Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence


Steve Spence
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- Original Message -
From: "bloke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Monday, November 05, 2001 4:22 AM
Subject: Re: Re: [biofuel] Re: Hiclone


>
>
>
> I love the unbiased scientific procedure used . " they sell magnets , they
not credible"
> A Hiclone got nothing to do with magnets.
> Its got to do with air flow
> It has not been in any way proved to not work other than " They sell
magnets"
> Somehow , in the unbiased and totaly openminded evaluation of Hiclone by
the scientist , them magnets sorta stuck things up.
> Its just too bad .
> For science that is.
>
>
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: "steve spence" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: 
> > Sent: Sun, 4 Nov 2001 08:24:56 -0500
> > Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: Hiclone
> >
> >I've seen no log book evidence by an unbiased accredited testing lab. Is
> >that too much too ask? We had a friend that used to go on and on about
the
> >great mileage his vw used to get. Finally some other "friends" got tired
of
> >hearing about it all the time, and started adding a little fuel time
after
> >time. He got so excited about his "80mpg car" he called vw. when he
finally
> >found out what was going on, he wouldn't speak with them for close to a
> >year. So, logbooks? hmm..
> >
> >Steve Spence
> >Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter:
> >http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm
> >
> >Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.dns2go.com/
> >Human powered devices, equipment, and transport -
> >http://24.190.106.81:8383/2000/humanpower.htm
> >[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >- Original Message -
> >From: "Neoteric Biofuels" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: 
> >Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2001 4:34 PM
> >Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: Hiclone
> >
> >
> >> Ok. remote chance, not too likely, and the log book evidence that's
been
> >> presented...
> >>
> >> Well, who knows. Certainly, the company offers no solid proof they work
> >(the
> >> devices...well maybe not the perps either), which would help their
sales
> >> quite a lot, so ya gotta wonder about that.
> >>
> >> But hey, don't be so tough on them about the magnets.
> >>
> >> I put magnets on my fuel line.
> >>
> >> My appetite increased  (well, maybe it was the SVO exhaust ) and I saw
a
> >5%
> >> increase in fuel economy in the cars next to me at stop lights (there
is
> >> some evidence to suggest this may have been attributable to the fact
that
> >> their inferior spark ignition systems were interrupted by the powerful
> >> magnetic field emanating from my diesel vehicle, causing inductive
> >stalling
> >> tendencies).
> >>
> >> I did win a lot of pink slips in drag racing against such unsuspecting
> >> owners with my 300D, having issued the challenge
> >> (and having it accepted) just before the magnetic field produced the
> >desired
> >> effect.
> >>
> >> My new collection of CRX's, Accord's, and 5.0 litre 'stangs has more
than
> >> compensated for any feeling that the magnets had zero influence on my
own
> >> car's performance, and so from that I submit that their purchase cage
me
> >a
> >> 16,000,000,000% ROI in less than a month.
> >>
> >> ;-)
> >>
> >> Ed B.
> >> www.biofuels.ca
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> > From: "steve spence" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> > Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
> >> > Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2001 15:38:07 -0500
> >> > To: 
> >> > Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: Hiclone
> >> >
> >> > notice the specially designed ports and cylinder head, designed to
> >maintain
> >> > swirl after valves are closed. without that, swirl would stop. it's
> >remotely
> >> > possible, but not according to my experiences over the last 20 odd
> >years.
> >> > the fact that the company also promotes magnetic treatment eliminates
> >them
> >> > as a credible source in my opinion.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
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Re: [biofuels-biz] Coco Diesel Technology

[David Teal]

Hints of more efficient and less costly processes than the traditional
NaOH/methanol approach should be taken seriously.  Remember the porcine
lipase thread of a few months back?  Anyone investing strong money in plant
reliant on the traditional approach must accept the risk that it may become
obsolete.  That is not to say it will stop working, just that it may become
less competitive in cost, and hence be a 'stranded asset', in the way that
coal-fired power stations have.
This is one good reason to think twice before paying large sums for packaged
plant as offered by some Middle European players.  There are other less
risky ways to make biodiesel production profitable, and I am very actively
working on this.

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[biofuel] Hi Clone imfo.

[Martin R.]

Hi all
have a read what Mark from Hiclone had to say about your comments that I 
send to him

Martin R.



Hi Martin
There are two types of people in the world the Dinosaurs and the open minded.
The Dinosaurs live on their flat world, and are too scared to travel and 
learn as they know that one day they will fall off the edge.
The Open Minded shall inherit the earth.
Vintage cars used an air filter which was a series of vanes which would 
spin the dust out of the air, no filter element. We can now buy "Modern" 
vacuum cleaners which don't have bags.
Also in the 1920's it was discovered that you could place these vanes in a 
different arrangement and create an airstream which could atomise the fuel 
and carry it through the centre of a cyclone type airstream to the 
combustion chamber. The idea was then lost to people who had financial 
reasons for hiding this technology. So why it works on carb. engines is 
easy to understand.
You can find many similar devises installed on production cars also -
Porsche has units in their air intakes,
Corvette throttle body injection has units,
Subaru WRX in 2000 has 4 units to increase swirl to pass US emission laws 
which also results in 10% more economy.Mitsubishi have a direct petrol 
injection engine which gives 20% more economy, For $160 we can give the 
current engine 15% more economy.
The general rule with the car industry is they only give you what the 
regulations dictate, every time the government brings in a new emission 
standard the only ever meet it and don't exceed it.
If modern cars are so efficient why do they need Cat. Converters to break 
down the unburnt fuel, Why in some countries do Diesels also need Cats. as 
well???
I have Diesel Smokemeter test results showing 50% reduction in fuel smoke, 
an installation time between tests of 7 minutes.
I have tested a cylinder head and manifold on a test bench which showed an 
increase in swirl in the combustion chamber from 270 rpm to 980 rpm (over 3 
times the swirl). How long does it take to stop swirl, and how long does 
the combustion process take???
If you can increase swirl in the combustion, this means a faster moving 
flame front over the crown of the piston, a more even down force on the 
piston means less piston slap against the bore, which results in less 
mechanical noise.
Every combustion engine, every type of fuel, is mixed with air at the 
combustion chamber.
Is Hiclone a restriction??
Jeep 4.0l efi breathes through a plastic plug in venturi, which reduces the 
air flow down from a 75mm hole down to a 50mm hole,
A Mercedes large ( over 8.0l ) bus engine breathes through a 40mm hole,
Mercedes 3.0l car also 40mm,
The blades of a Hiclone are less than 0.5 mm thick. On a V8 5.0l engine we 
use a 78mm Hiclone for a 65mm throttle disc???
Why use more than one Hiclone on one car, My car has 12 Hiclones and has 
gone from 17mpg to 36mpg, 8 in the manifold, 3 in the hose from the air 
filter and one in the exhaust. Now it has more and I am to start testing 
again soon.
Hiclone has a money-back guarantee, I never make it compulsory to buy more 
than one(unless the car has two or more air intakes) I let my customers 
decide what works on their cars. I have customers with 9 on one car, they 
started with only one and they wanted to try more.
For the dinosaurs, I don't pay for your fuel, and I'll catch up with you, 
when you catch up with the modern world.
Why do we fit it before turbo's as well as after???
A 21% power increase at 90kmh on a Saab turbo in 3rd gear, Reduced Turbo Lag.
A turbo is 2 fans on a common shaft, one turned by the exhaust gas, which 
turns and pressurises the intake air. If the air is already spinning this 
requires less effort from the exhaust gas and less heat, to pressurise the 
intake manifold.
But I must also say that Hiclone does have some problems, this mainly 
concerns some of the people selling them. Because it seems like such a 
simple product, some of the wrong people end up trying to sell them. You 
wouldn't go to a butchers shop for open heart surgery, So I don't 
understand why some people some people want to buy auto parts from a failed 
restaurateur(in Queensland) and you also pay more for the lack of service 
as well. These people no longer have access to our fitment catalogues or 
information services. They only have a 60% success rating, where as 
mechanics have 99% success ratings. Hiclone do not recommend the magnetic 
devices anymore, due to ethics. THERE ARE OVER 15 COMPANIES IN AUSTRALIA, 
WHO ALL THINK THEY ARE THE SOLE AUST. DISTRIBUTORS OF THE SAME PRODUCT. You 
can buy them from $60 to $160, depending on who you choose to buy them 
from, and how greedy the salesman is.
At Hiclone Pty. Ltd we-
write the fitment catalogues,
do all the testing,
supply over 300 mechanical shops,
custom design and manufacture.
We do special projects for racing teams, which require totally different 
designs.
Our aim is to be an honest business selling products which either save

Re: Re: [biofuel] Re: Hiclone

[bloke]

I love the unbiased scientific procedure used . " they sell magnets , they not 
credible"
A Hiclone got nothing to do with magnets.
Its got to do with air flow 
It has not been in any way proved to not work other than " They sell magnets"
Somehow , in the unbiased and totaly openminded evaluation of Hiclone by the 
scientist , them magnets sorta stuck things up. 
Its just too bad . 
For science that is. 



> -Original Message-
> From: "steve spence" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Sent: Sun, 4 Nov 2001 08:24:56 -0500
> Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: Hiclone
>
>I've seen no log book evidence by an unbiased accredited testing lab. Is
>that too much too ask? We had a friend that used to go on and on about the
>great mileage his vw used to get. Finally some other "friends" got tired of
>hearing about it all the time, and started adding a little fuel time after
>time. He got so excited about his "80mpg car" he called vw. when he finally
>found out what was going on, he wouldn't speak with them for close to a
>year. So, logbooks? hmm..
>
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>- Original Message -
>From: "Neoteric Biofuels" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: 
>Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2001 4:34 PM
>Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: Hiclone
>
>
>> Ok. remote chance, not too likely, and the log book evidence that's been
>> presented...
>>
>> Well, who knows. Certainly, the company offers no solid proof they work
>(the
>> devices...well maybe not the perps either), which would help their sales
>> quite a lot, so ya gotta wonder about that.
>>
>> But hey, don't be so tough on them about the magnets.
>>
>> I put magnets on my fuel line.
>>
>> My appetite increased  (well, maybe it was the SVO exhaust ) and I saw a
>5%
>> increase in fuel economy in the cars next to me at stop lights (there is
>> some evidence to suggest this may have been attributable to the fact that
>> their inferior spark ignition systems were interrupted by the powerful
>> magnetic field emanating from my diesel vehicle, causing inductive
>stalling
>> tendencies).
>>
>> I did win a lot of pink slips in drag racing against such unsuspecting
>> owners with my 300D, having issued the challenge
>> (and having it accepted) just before the magnetic field produced the
>desired
>> effect.
>>
>> My new collection of CRX's, Accord's, and 5.0 litre 'stangs has more than
>> compensated for any feeling that the magnets had zero influence on my own
>> car's performance, and so from that I submit that their purchase cage me 
>a
>> 16,000,000,000% ROI in less than a month.
>>
>> ;-)
>>
>> Ed B.
>> www.biofuels.ca
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > From: "steve spence" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> > Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
>> > Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2001 15:38:07 -0500
>> > To: 
>> > Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: Hiclone
>> >
>> > notice the specially designed ports and cylinder head, designed to
>maintain
>> > swirl after valves are closed. without that, swirl would stop. it's
>remotely
>> > possible, but not according to my experiences over the last 20 odd
>years.
>> > the fact that the company also promotes magnetic treatment eliminates
>them
>> > as a credible source in my opinion.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [biofuel] Re: Turning the corner?

[Mati Kokk]

There are large operating co-generation powerplants in many European countries, 
which use biomass as fuel.

For example, Fšrssa powerplant in Finland (Power production 17.2 MWe, District 
heat production 48 MWth) which uses mostly woodchip fuel. Read more abot it at 
http://www.tekes.fi/eng/international/opet/chp.html

In Sweden there was recently opened a co-generation powerplant  which also uses 
mostly woodchip fuel.

In Latvia  a couple years ago a similar biomass-fueled powerplant was opened.

In my country, Estonia, large woodchip-fired boilers which supply only heat to 
centralized heating systems are operating in nearly all towns already.  And 
there is at least one biomass-fueled co-generation plant as well which is 
operating usually during winter seasons only.

Therefore, the usage of corn in similar plants to get the necessary process 
heat for ethanol production, must also be possible and economically acceptable.

Mati Kokk
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Is it such a bad idea to replace a 
  percentage of coal in a typical power plant with corn, or charcoal, 
  or some other high energy clean-burning biomass?

  JEFF
   
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