[biofuels-biz] ENERGIES... week of 2/24/02
Dear Loyal Readers, I have made a painful decision. Beginning in April ENERGIES will no longer be a free publication. It's been 6 years now and income possibilities from the newsletter and web site have been elusive... to say the least. There are more services I would like to provide with Green Energy News and all of them will take time and money. The good news is that subscriptions will be only $26 per year. That's 50 cents per weekly issue. Subscriptions will include ... -- Weekly e-mail delivery of the ENERGIES newsletter and NewsLinks to any e-mail address on the planet. -- Two e-mail addresses per subscriber. (home and business for example) -- Access to a password protected area of the web site that will store the current edition of ENERGIES and NewsLinks as well as all recent and archived news and links. (The public access area of the web site will have sample stories and NewsLinks.) All paid subscriptions received this month will begin with the new volume (Volume 7, Number 1) to be published on April 6. To encourage you to subscribe early, those who sign up this month will have subscriptions extended by 3 months - until the end of June 2003. A free, one month Trial Subscription is also now offered. I am looking forward to continuing this project, this publication, for many years. Until April ENERGIES and the Green Energy News web site will remain business as usual. Please visit the Green Energy News web site to subscribe today. Best Regards, Bruce Mulliken Editor and Publisher Green Energy News Inc. http://www.nrglink.com ENERGIES... week of February 24, 2002 WHERE'S DME? Clearly, fossil fuel companies want to continue to be the energy suppliers to the world. They - like any business - will resist any major change until they can find a way to profit from it. Business is business after all. What if a new fuel were developed that would be environmentally friendly, renewable, satisfied many and angered few? Maybe dimethyl ether (DME) should be looked at. DME has properties similar to LPG (propane). Gaseous at room temperature and liquid when chilled, it is handled like propane and can use the same storage and fueling equipment. If it handles like propane it should also be as easy. Quantum, a division of IMPCO, has said that a propane refueling infrastructure can be developed that will ensure that filling-up (with propane) is as easy as it is with gasoline. The same should be true for DME. DME can be made from a number of sources: methane from sewage and animal wastes, used plastic, natural gas and coal. Yes, coal. DME can be used for power generation. And for cars and trucks it has been used successfully in diesel engines (which auto companies know how to make) where it burns soot-free. It has little if any SOx emissions, and NOx emissions are reduced by 20-30 percent. When used in a kitchen stove it burns a nice blue just like propane or natural gas. It can also be a good source of hydrogen for fuel cells. NKK Corporation, Mitsubishi Gas Chemical Company and others in Japan are developing mass production techniques for DME. India has its own DME project in which BP is involved. The International Energy Agency (IEA) has said that it expects DME to become an alternative to conventional fuels. Now Kawasaki Heavy Industries has developed a fuel injection system for gas turbines (for power generation) that keeps the fuel liquid at room temperature by cooling the fuel supply pipe by using the DME's vaporization heat. Kawasaki is planning to begin selling its DME fueled turbines in 2006, the same year that mass production of the fuel is planned for Japan. Visit the NKK DME page at http://www.nkk.co.jp/en/environment/dme/main.html or the India DME program at http://www.dmeforpower.net/ . HYBRID PACKAGE DELIVERY TRUCKS. When BAE SYSTEMS bought portions of Lockheed Martin it also received Lockheed's HybriDrive (tm) system in the deal. Now being used in 10 city buses in New York, and with 325 on order, BAE will develop a prototype HybriDrive hybrid electric truck for FedEX Express. The prototype, to be delivered in September of this year, is part of a FedEX program to determine the next standard configuration for its delivery trucks. That standard that will be to cut fuel consumption by 50 percent and reduce toxic emissions up to 90 percent. Visit BAE SYSTEMS at http://www.lmcontrolsystems.com/ . MORE BORAX FUEL CELLS. Millennium Cell, which has been developing hydrogen storage systems using sodium borohydride (a cousin of Borax) now has a competitor in the technology, Hydrogenics. Hydrogenics has demonstrated a 500 watt HyPORT C (tm) fuel cell generator to U.S. and Canadian armed forces. Hydrogen is supplied to a proton exchange membrane (PEM) fuel cell from a sodium borohydride tablet dissolved in water. The company is considering building larger output fuel cells using the technology.
[biofuel] Re: BSE not in the USA
Keith and Todd, OK I surrender. There are a lot of issues that you brought up which are worth discussing over coffee at length. We might even find that we agree on many points, and not on others. Hey, I wrote a note on another discussion group asking about biodiesel in UK using condemned carcasses and was told it was forbidden. But posts to this group indicate otherwise. As for thermal cracking, what I am after there is an automated biodiesel production facility with as few issues as possible. I recognize that high value products are lost in thermal cracking but the system is simple and inexpensive to operate, if not to buy. Neal Van Milligen Kentucky Enrichment Inc Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/iZp8OC/4m7CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: Air Freight Fuel Consumption was Re: [biofuel] car racing-grand prix etc
http://www.greenglobe21.com/econett/aviation/avia002g.htm Some good stuff, maybe not quite what you wanted, but apparent that aircraft are showing very good increases in fuel efficiency over time, much better than we are doing with cars. Also consider the amount of energy that goes into creating and maintaining roads, rail lines , land taken out of production, etc. Rail is still best though. Edward Beggs www.biofuels.ca From: Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 10:16:33 -0500 To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Air Freight Fuel Consumption was Re: [biofuel] car racing-grand prix etc I've always wondered what the relative fuel consumption is to deliver a 1# package Next Day Air Freight, Ground Freight and Rail Freight - from hub to hub, not necessarily shipping point to delivery point. No head winds or tail winds in the calculations please. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: Neoteric Biofuels Inc. To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 04, 2002 10:13 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] car racing-grand prix etc You have to look at air travel in terms of energy use per passenger kilometer travelled. Then the plane does not look quite so bad. Yes, they use tonnes of fuel on takeoff, but not a lot once cruising. I think jets are in the same range as passenger cars - not great, but not a lot worse. However there is concern that their emissions have a greater contribution to the greenhouse effect due to their placement higher in the atmosphere, I believe. Of course, if the passengers are on their way to a day at the races...uh... Edward Beggs www.biofuels.ca From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 17:23:33 +0900 To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] car racing-grand prix etc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: is car rcing important? too much air pollution. waste of fuel. why not send this fuel to developing countries for their economic development ? any thoughts from anybody? I doubt that would be the most effective way to use the money it would cost, better use it to support some local grassroots development groups. Racing used to be a test bed for advanced stuff that later found it's way into production models, but I don't think that's been the case for quite a long time. A lot of the fuel's ethanol or methanol anyway, less polluting. But it's just a drop in the bucket. Transfer that thinking to air transport and tourism and you're onto something. I heard a Boeing uses about as much fuel on takeoff as a whole Grand Prix (is that true?). Then there's what happens at the other end. For instance: The average 15,000 cubic metres of water needed to irrigate one hectare of high-yielding modern rice is enough for 100 nomads and 450 cattle for three years, or 100 rural families for three years, or 100 urban families for two years. The same amount can supply 100 luxury hotel guests for just 55 days. (UN Food and Agriculture Organization - FAO.) And so on. Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Osaka, Japan http://journeytoforever.org/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/iZp8OC/4m7CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Air travel - was Re: [biofuel] car racing-grand prix etc
You have to look at air travel in terms of energy use per passenger kilometer travelled. Then the plane does not look quite so bad. Yes, they use tonnes of fuel on takeoff, but not a lot once cruising. I think jets are in the same range as passenger cars - not great, but not a lot worse. However there is concern that their emissions have a greater contribution to the greenhouse effect due to their placement higher in the atmosphere, I believe. Of course, if the passengers are on their way to a day at the races...uh... Edward Beggs www.biofuels.ca Hi Ed It's not just the fuel consumption. Figures we had previously put the fuel economy per passenger at a bit worse than a car, better than an SUV, about half as good as a train. Yes, there is concern about the worse effect of the emissions, and about much besides. This is from piece by Mike Tidwell in The Washington Post, Sunday, September 9, 2001: No Glaciers in Glacier National Park? http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A56850-2001Sep7.html ... Air travel and transport alone, for example, add more than 500 million tons of CO2 to the Earth's atmosphere each year, according to the IPCC. And as people travel more, courtesy of ever-rising Western affluence, the problem only gets worse. By 2050, a full 15 percent of the world's CO2 could come from travel and tourism, according to Green Globe 21, a Bournemouth, England, trade association. We're loving the planet to death, says John Berger, author of Beating the Heat: Why and How We Must Combat Global Warming. You look at the IPCC findings and you realize tourists and travel businesses just like all people and all businesses in the developed nations have to reduce their contribution to the problem or perhaps say goodbye to places and things they've always considered eternal. ... Here are a few ways travelers can reduce their contribution to global warming: Consider taking the train. According to the U.S. Department of Transportation, rail travel emits about half the planet-warming carbon dioxide per passenger mile as car and plane travel. [more] This is an informative article: Airports and Cities: Can They Coexist? by Ed Ayres,WorldWatch Magazine, July 2001 - Free download if you register, PDF 1.5Mb http://secure.worldwatch.org/cgi-bin/wwinst/EP144B Some points: - Air transport accounts for an estimated 13 percent of the world's carbon dioxide emissions from all transportation sources. - Carbon dioxide combined with other exhaust gases and particulates emitted from jet engines could have two to four times as great an impact on the atmosphere as CO 2 emissions alone, says a recent U.S. government study. - Jet contrails have also been implicated in the development of enormous heat-trapping clouds, which may be escalating the planes' impacts on climate. The exhaust from a single plane may spread to cover as much as 13,000 square miles. - For each passenger on a trans-Pacific flight, about a ton of CO 2 is added to the earth's atmosphere. - At Denver International, up to 23 planes may be running at high idle simultaneously, waiting for takeoff, and some wait up to 40 minutes. On the ground, jet engines operate at extremely poor efficiency and the fuel is burned very incompletely. Instead of being converted to energy, vapor, and carbon dioxide, huge amounts of fuel are blown into the ground-level air in the form of carbon particulates and volatile organic compounds (VOCs). - Studies of neighborhoods near airports such as Chicago's O'Hare and Seattle's Sea-Tac have shown that jet exhaust is subjecting residents to extremely high concentrations of the carcinogens benzene, formaldehyde and 1,3-butadiene, and at least 200 other toxic compounds. - In the first two minutes after a 747 takes off, it emits as much air pollution as 3,000 cars, says a study by the Natural Resources Defense Council (NRDC). - Earth Island Institute reports that in the first five minutes of flight, a commercial airliner burns - turns to CO 2 - as much oxygen as 17,000 hectares (44,000 acres) of forest produce in a day. - According to the U.S. Department of Transportation (DOT), a Boeing 747 spends an average of 32 minutes landing, taxiing, and taking off. In that time, it can generate 87 kilograms of nitrogen oxides (NOx) - equivalent to over 85,000 kilometers of automobile emissions. - According to the National Science Foundation's National Center for Atmospheric Research, each gallon of jet fuel burned pollutes over 8,400 gallons of air to a level of toxicity that would be dangerous, if not lethal, to breathe. - Fresh water supplies near airports are often contaminated by de-icing chemicals, cleaning fluids, solvents, and fuel-dumping. [more] But the original question talked about helping poor countries, and that was part of my reason for mentioning air transport and tourism - especially tourism. Concerns about the effects of tourism will be a major topic
[biofuel] Re: BSE not in the USA
Hello Neal Missed this one, somehow. I'm afraid I rather object to being termed a visionary, and, on SANET, an activist. I'm a journalist, is all. Hint: if you're after getting a bit of good press out of the local rag don't go and tell the desk hack he's a visionary activist, LOL. In a message dated 3/3/2002 5:11:31 AM Central Standard Time, biofuel@yahoogroups.com writes: From: Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Re: BSE not in the USA Safety of American markets from BSE is far from certain...so much so that studies released this week actually gave US government agencies, inclusive of the FDA, extremely low marks on enforcement issues that are supposed to better secure American markets. As I first heard of it via the air waves and National Public Radio (February 27), I rather seriously doubt that Mr. Addison was the instigator. --- Todd, you miss my point partially. I didn't say that Keith had anything to do with this report. My point is that since I work in animal byproducts I know what is going on generally in this area in the USA, and other places. But isn't it exactly the folks who work in animal byproducts who brought us this BSE nightmare in first place, with the brilliant idea that herbivores would thrive on recycled animal products? The ones who've failed to prevent it, even to acknowledge it, pooh-poohed the mounting evidence, suppressed evidence even, dragged their heels at every turn? More impressive is that many people, a growing number of them, at ever higher levels, who are not involved in the industry, are increasingly concerned about it. Just as has been the case elsewhere, in the face of industry and official denial, before the blow fell. The Harvard report seemed pretty accurate in crediting the efforts of USDA and FDA in protecting our food supply. The GAO report was less so. For my money, I would not put as much in a report by the GAO over a panel of experts. It seems to me you haven't read what either of them has to say about it, or at least not with a clear eye. GAO has no special expertise in some of the areas in which they report, this is one. But more than that, what does the politics of the posting of a lengthy message about this report have to do with Biofuels except to join the ranks of those who find satisfaction in saying that the USA has failed again? Since we don't have BSE we have succeeded in keeping it out. Political bashing is not our business. Trust Us, We're Experts. Well, we've been into all that, and found it wanting. It's strange that you think the only possible point of it was political bashing, which wasn't the point at all, and doesn't even seem to be there. The politics of the posting? What's that mean? I think this use of the word politics really means stuff I don't agree with. What is all this Neal? Are you implying that I, and others unnamed, would really like to see the US getting hit by a BSE epidemic so we could point fingers of blame, jeer about yet another failure and say I told you so? Don't you think the intent might have been just the opposite? Which in fact it was, and is? As to what it all has to do with biofuels except the last bit, there's been quite a lot of agreement recently that these subjects are relevant to biofuels. You know my attitude to this, Neal, because I've spelled it out to you before, and at other times. I won't restrict the discussion here, I've explained why not, and not yet heard any reason to change that. You might not agree, just as others don't agree with you, but nobody's forcing anybody to read anything. I was chiding Keith for saying that the USA isn't being responsive to the issue, when in fact we are the most responsive country based on our success. Dream on! 30th floor, going down, everything's fine so far... I just want to talk about biofuels. Nothing's stopping you, plenty of discussions about biofuels going on, eh? That is why I suggested that Keith actually posted the long message just to point out the last paragraph, which said that animal fat had fallen in price and was more widely available. If that's what I'd wanted to do, all you'd've got would've been the last paragraph. If you follow SANET you will see my recent posting there gives Keith credit for being a visionary in biofuels and encourages his work worldwide. I seem to have put us exactly where I did not want to go, hashing out the adequacy of USA safeguards re: BSE. Inadequacy. No, it was me who put us there. Let talk about how to take advantage of the opportunity we have with low priced tallow instead. By all means, but why instead? Why not both? Anyway, I asked you to do that, in response to your last message: So concerning animal fats, have we already formed a group opinion on whether thermal cracking would produce biodiesel from tallow? I replied: I don't think we have, no. Transesterification does though, currently under discussion in another
Re: [biofuel] Sustainable Agriculture-found the soap box to stand on-then I'm going to kick it away
? You told us that we could come out and make homes if we planted some trees. We made a little place and tilled the ground. We grew enough to keep our family going, raised a few chickens, a cow or two, and few horses to carry us to church on the day we all rested. A town grew a little way from us and they wanted a few things we had around the place, so we traded with them from time to time. The town grew as our family did, we all chipped in and built the school, built a new church and when we were less busy, run a board across the road from here to town, just to take the ruts out. Just helping the neighbors, you know. Things were nice, had all we needed, bartered for a few parts and maybe a do-dad for the lady-folk once in a while. The towns people wanted more things from the farm so we grew more, broke out more land and started to hire a few workers from the town. The towns took some of our kids with the offer of milk and honey. Later, our kids went into battle in places a few of our kin lived still, but ideas go beyond family and we had to do what was right. The ones that came back were glad to see the farm and glad to raise their families there. The times grew hard. It took all to keep what we had. No problem getting workers, six came by everyday looking for work, none went hungry if we had work or not. Sometimes we were getting a little shy at the table, but those were our neighbors who lost everything and if they could, done the same. The Government said we were farming wrong when a big wind came and some of the things they said even worked. Times got a little better, just before the kids went into battle again. It seems, it was the thing to do, die for your country. We planted more, raised more stock to support our boys over there and when they returned they needed even more. Making money at farming was a new thing to us, never thought of it as a business. Government people came far and wide to tell us how to farm, how to grow more grain, raise more cattle. They gave money to collages to figure how to do it and sometimes it didn't hurt none to try. We had to try this machine and put this spray on, they said, to get better crops. We had our ups and downs over the years and some of the kids would go. The farm keeps us well, then they said, we were growing too much and to cut back. The government started passing around money not to farm a portion or to try a different way. Then their helping became demands on how many acres you will farm and what you could put on it. Hard to keep the family on the farm with a regulated income, so now there are just a few of us, just trying to do what is right. We can't go back to the way we started because somewhere along the line we are getting taxed on this land we have. We have to pay for things we didn't need to start with. We got grain taxes for people to find markets for us. We have fees for things we never use to do like putting sprays to protect the crops from bugs or weeds. They say we have to spray certain weeds, then say we our killing the critters in the wild by doing so. They say we are farming to close too the creek, which never was a creek at the start, until they said to farm on the contour. Then they say the water runs too hot in the summer. There never use to be any water in it at all in the summer. They say there are not enough natural trees lining the creek. There weren't more than two trees between here and the river when we got here. The new way of farming is this no till. No Till? Even the people more native than we poked holes in the ground to get the seed in. The ground needs to be in a more natural state, get that good earthy smell back, it wasn't about ten years ago we lost the smell from doing what they said to start with. They say they want to protect the small farmer, then they run us out of business. We can't backup to raising just enough for ourselves, somehow we have to give the bank some money, somehow give the local, state, and federal governments some money. Have to buy food we do not raise for ourselves, buy gizmos to tell us what the world market is. Somehow figure a way to farm without using fuel, pesticides, fertilizer, raising dust or smoke, look like we are running over a wet spot or make a trickle run down from the field to the man-made creek, kill weeds humanely, plant and harvest without disturbing the soil, the mice, the birds, coyotes or disturb any ones' sleep within ten miles. All we wanted to do is raise a family. True our hours are cut back and we can get things done faster. We can get in at dark and still have enough energy to eat before going to bed. We have time to talk to the neighbors and shake our heads. We have time to figure what we are going to do when they finish us off and will have to move next to you. We have time to think what it would be like working next to people who complain about working eight
[biofuel] ENERGIES... week of 2/24/02
Dear Loyal Readers, I have made a painful decision. Beginning in April ENERGIES will no longer be a free publication. It's been 6 years now and income possibilities from the newsletter and web site have been elusive... to say the least. There are more services I would like to provide with Green Energy News and all of them will take time and money. The good news is that subscriptions will be only $26 per year. That's 50 cents per weekly issue. Subscriptions will include ... -- Weekly e-mail delivery of the ENERGIES newsletter and NewsLinks to any e-mail address on the planet. -- Two e-mail addresses per subscriber. (home and business for example) -- Access to a password protected area of the web site that will store the current edition of ENERGIES and NewsLinks as well as all recent and archived news and links. (The public access area of the web site will have sample stories and NewsLinks.) All paid subscriptions received this month will begin with the new volume (Volume 7, Number 1) to be published on April 6. To encourage you to subscribe early, those who sign up this month will have subscriptions extended by 3 months - until the end of June 2003. A free, one month Trial Subscription is also now offered. I am looking forward to continuing this project, this publication, for many years. Until April ENERGIES and the Green Energy News web site will remain business as usual. Please visit the Green Energy News web site to subscribe today. Best Regards, Bruce Mulliken Editor and Publisher Green Energy News Inc. http://www.nrglink.com ENERGIES... week of February 24, 2002 WHERE'S DME? Clearly, fossil fuel companies want to continue to be the energy suppliers to the world. They - like any business - will resist any major change until they can find a way to profit from it. Business is business after all. What if a new fuel were developed that would be environmentally friendly, renewable, satisfied many and angered few? Maybe dimethyl ether (DME) should be looked at. DME has properties similar to LPG (propane). Gaseous at room temperature and liquid when chilled, it is handled like propane and can use the same storage and fueling equipment. If it handles like propane it should also be as easy. Quantum, a division of IMPCO, has said that a propane refueling infrastructure can be developed that will ensure that filling-up (with propane) is as easy as it is with gasoline. The same should be true for DME. DME can be made from a number of sources: methane from sewage and animal wastes, used plastic, natural gas and coal. Yes, coal. DME can be used for power generation. And for cars and trucks it has been used successfully in diesel engines (which auto companies know how to make) where it burns soot-free. It has little if any SOx emissions, and NOx emissions are reduced by 20-30 percent. When used in a kitchen stove it burns a nice blue just like propane or natural gas. It can also be a good source of hydrogen for fuel cells. NKK Corporation, Mitsubishi Gas Chemical Company and others in Japan are developing mass production techniques for DME. India has its own DME project in which BP is involved. The International Energy Agency (IEA) has said that it expects DME to become an alternative to conventional fuels. Now Kawasaki Heavy Industries has developed a fuel injection system for gas turbines (for power generation) that keeps the fuel liquid at room temperature by cooling the fuel supply pipe by using the DME's vaporization heat. Kawasaki is planning to begin selling its DME fueled turbines in 2006, the same year that mass production of the fuel is planned for Japan. Visit the NKK DME page at http://www.nkk.co.jp/en/environment/dme/main.html or the India DME program at http://www.dmeforpower.net/ . HYBRID PACKAGE DELIVERY TRUCKS. When BAE SYSTEMS bought portions of Lockheed Martin it also received Lockheed's HybriDrive (tm) system in the deal. Now being used in 10 city buses in New York, and with 325 on order, BAE will develop a prototype HybriDrive hybrid electric truck for FedEX Express. The prototype, to be delivered in September of this year, is part of a FedEX program to determine the next standard configuration for its delivery trucks. That standard that will be to cut fuel consumption by 50 percent and reduce toxic emissions up to 90 percent. Visit BAE SYSTEMS at http://www.lmcontrolsystems.com/ . MORE BORAX FUEL CELLS. Millennium Cell, which has been developing hydrogen storage systems using sodium borohydride (a cousin of Borax) now has a competitor in the technology, Hydrogenics. Hydrogenics has demonstrated a 500 watt HyPORT C (tm) fuel cell generator to U.S. and Canadian armed forces. Hydrogen is supplied to a proton exchange membrane (PEM) fuel cell from a sodium borohydride tablet dissolved in water. The company is considering building larger output fuel cells using the technology.
Re: Air travel - was Re: [biofuel] car racing-grand prix etc
This may all be a useless debate before to much longer, it looks like Amtrak might be derailed. http://www.abcnews.go.com/sections/business/DailyNews/amtrak020304.html Greg H. - Original Message - From: Keith Addison Sent: Monday, March 04, 2002 21:33 Subject: Air travel - was Re: [biofuel] car racing-grand prix etc Hi Ed It's not just the fuel consumption. Figures we had previously put the fuel economy per passenger at a bit worse than a car, better than an SUV, about half as good as a train. Yes, there is concern about the worse effect of the emissions, and about much besides. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: BSE not in the USA
Keith Trust Us, We're Experts. Well, we've been into all that, and found it wanting. It's strange that you think the only possible point of it was political bashing, which wasn't the point at all, and doesn't even seem to be there. The politics of the posting? What's that mean? I think this use of the word politics really means stuff I don't agree with. What is all this Neal? Are you implying that I, and others unnamed, would really like to see the US getting hit by a BSE epidemic so we could point fingers of blame, jeer about yet another failure and say I told you so? Don't you think the intent might have been just the opposite? Which in fact it was, and is? Hey, Keith, calm down. I was asking about the political commentary which preceded the biofuels content that animal fat is more available lately. I don't think you have a hidden agenda. I think you explain yourself very well and directly. You and I and everybody else on the plant is concerned with keeping BSE out of the food chain. I happen to think that the safeguards in place have done a good job in the USA, apparently you don't. If the food supply is safe with the current regs (a matter of opinion) new regs may not make it more safe but will make it more inconvenient on feed processors. Still little to do with biodiesel. RE: thermal cracking. I have been looking at the process of producing biodiesel from a medium sized produder point of view. If someone could spend $4,000,000 to make 1500 gal of biodiesel an hour with little additional inputs besides heat, it could be something. Biomass heat or parasitic load could provide the 735 F temperature. You and I chatted briefly about this process regarding waste motor oil. I think it works for that. Now I am considering the economics of it for biodiesel. I thought that heating tallow, for example, would make soap but apparently it makes biodiesel. Neal Van Milligen (defender of government programs) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4. No Minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/BgmYkB/VovDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] the need for speed?
Rail, and water - we built our current industrialized nations with a pretty basic and still very energy efficient technology, the railroad and the boat. When my neighbour's hot tub arrived and he needed to get it into the backyard, way off in the corner, it was going to take 6 guys to carry it. It was not round, so could not be rolled. Solution: I wandered over to my garage, let the other 3 guys we had on hand stand there and deliberate, and I grabbed four 20' pieces of light gauge barn door track. We laid it on the ground and just slid the thing about 18' at a time, and brought up the track behind it. We built a railroad. I knew a contractor that made a fortune on one job alone. A refinery wanted some tanks moved. Those huge round ones. Everyone else figured out how much to drag, disassemble, etc. He bid low, crazy low. Then he dug a canal. It was not a long distance move. Filled the canal with water. Floated the tanks across. Filled in the canal again. It took a lot longer. Not a problem. So it took a few weeks instead of a few days. Not a problem, as it turned out. It cost a lot less. He was the beneficiary of slowing down, thinking, and using his head instead of being in a rush about it. We are in a race, in a society, where speed is thought synonymous with efficiency.It's not, not energy efficiency. Slower is better. We pay that mindset with huge amounts of fossil fuel. We pay for that in a lot of ways that we don't like to think about much. We have sacrificed the efficiency of transport for the excitement of speed and door-to-door convenience. Remember that inefficiency the next time somebody tells you that biofuels can't supply our energy needs. Maybe it depends on how fast our planes go, how often we choose to use trucks instead of rail, how often we print things and courier them or mail them instead of sending electronically, how we rely on a just in time inventory method in a country much larger then where the concept originated, and how we have to panic/rush things whenever that model lets us down. Edward Beggs www.biofuels.ca Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/iZp8OC/4m7CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: BSE not in the USA
- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 12:16 Subject: [biofuel] Re: BSE not in the USA RE: thermal cracking. I have been looking at the process of producing biodiesel from a medium sized produder point of view. If someone could spend $4,000,000 to make 1500 gal of biodiesel an hour with little additional inputs besides heat, it could be something. Biomass heat or parasitic load could provide the 735 F temperature. You and I chatted briefly about this process regarding waste motor oil. I think it works for that. Now I am considering the economics of it for biodiesel. I thought that heating tallow, for example, would make soap but apparently it makes biodiesel. Just a couple of things: 1) Is there URL that I can find more info. on useing thermal cracking to make BD? 2) Are you aware that the operating temp. / waste heat of a Solid Oxide Fuel Cell is around 700 to 1000 deg.? This might be a nice little go around, Electricity and BD in one operation. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/iZp8OC/4m7CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: Air Freight Fuel Consumption was Re: [biofuel] car racing-grand prix etc
I know an F-14 in Zone 5 Afterburner uses a ton of fuel a minute. It's fun going straight up at 20,000 feet per minute. Richard [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4. No Minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/BgmYkB/VovDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Air travel - was Re: [biofuel] car racing-grand prix etc
This British quiz would suggest road/rail has less impact. HOLIDAY (and business) Where did you go last year? Or did you fly to Europe, score 20 If, instead, you went by road or rail to Europe - including Britain - score 10 http://www.newscientist.com/hottopics/environment/quiz2.jsp My fussy memory recalls a single seat experimental aircraft called a Quickie(?) 18 hp cruising @ 120mph = 40mpg although light aircraft fuel use is normally referred to as gallons-per-hour. e.g. 120mph divide by 3,0gph equals 40mpg. As for one lb delivered . . . Aircraft directories (online) could be helpful offer information about o cargo/seating capacities o gallons-per-hour fuel use o cruising speed for a ruff guide -- EAA (Experimental Aircraft Association) links might be a start. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4. No Minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/BgmYkB/VovDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: Air Freight Fuel Consumption was Re: [biofuel] car racing-grand prix etc
That will get my Next Day Air package aloft and into the Jet Stream, but what does it take to propel it cross continent? 250 gallons a minute is a bit rich. No wonder parcel post costs less. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 8:20 PM Subject: Re: Air Freight Fuel Consumption was Re: [biofuel] car racing-grand prix etc I know an F-14 in Zone 5 Afterburner uses a ton of fuel a minute. It's fun going straight up at 20,000 feet per minute. Richard [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4. No Minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/BgmYkB/VovDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
