[biofuels-biz] Re: Is 10% EthOH, 10%water, 20% bio, 60% diesel the ultimate blend?
Hi Harry Some interesting papers on water diesel mixes in that link Kieth. Somewhere in there there must be some indication of the best emulsifiers for diesel and water if not bio, water and ethanol. I couldn't access the link I prefer for detergents, probably down for a while if anyone wants to try it: http://www.chem.wsu.edu/chem240/ester-fats.html No problem getting there, but what are all those squiggles? Is it written by Martians, LOL! Might as well be as far as I'm concerned. :-/ The detergents that I was thinking of appear to be sulphonated Fatty Acids. Not too hard to make but contain sulphur. I'm getting the impression that a potassium soap is about as good as it gets for the emulsifier provided that there is no source of calcium or magnesium in the fuel system. I can't imagine why there should be (maybe in the wash water or the water that we are mixing). Lauric Acid is prefered for detergent effects so perhaps a potassium soap of coconut or palm oil would mix the ethanol and water with the bio. I have some coconut oil samples left so I'll make some up and set up a factorial (eventually). Good. SoyGold makes solvents with high-oleic acid, might also be worth a try. Strength to yer arm Harry Best Keith Regards from Harry Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/DlIU9C/4m7CAA/Ey.GAA/9bTolB/TM -~- Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuels-biz] EREN Network News -- 05/29/02
= EREN NETWORK NEWS -- May 29, 2002 A weekly newsletter from the U.S. Department of Energy's (DOE) Energy Efficiency and Renewable Energy Network (EREN). http://www.eren.doe.gov/ = Featuring: *News and Events Ohio Governor Announces Fuel Cell Initiative Report: Distributed Generation to Grow 15-Fold by 2011 Companies Developing Alternative Home Power Technologies DOE Publishes Final Air Conditioning, Heat Pump Standards 300-Kilowatt Solar Power System Installed in Arizona California Renews its 20/20 Energy Conservation Program NREL Develops Low-Emissions Natural Gas Engine *Energy Facts and Tips Gas Prices Holding Steady Through Memorial Day Weekend *About this Newsletter -- NEWS AND EVENTS -- Ohio Governor Announces Fuel Cell Initiative Ohio Governor Bob Taft announced in early May a new $100 million, three-year initiative to help Ohio take a leadership position in the fuel cell industry. The Ohio Fuel Cell Initiative will expand the state's research capabilities, invest in expanding Ohio's fuel cell industry, and allow the state to participate in hydrogen infrastructure demonstration projects. See the governor's press release at: http://www.state.oh.us/gov/releases/050902fuelcell.htm. New fuel cell technologies were advanced last week when Fuel Cell Technologies Corporation (FCT) announced the successful testing of its 5-kilowatt fuel cell prototype. The prototype uses a solid oxide fuel cell provided by Siemens Westinghouse Power Corporation. According to FCT, the prototype produces electricity from natural gas at conversion efficiencies of greater than 40 percent -- that is, more than 40 percent of the energy in the natural gas is converted to electricity. FCT also won a contract in early May from California's South Coast Air Quality Management District for the demonstration of its fuel cell system in ten California homes. See the FCT press releases at: http://www.fct.ca/press.html. The FCT announcement is sure to be one topic of conversation at the 14th World Hydrogen Energy Conference (WHEC), to be held in Montreal, Canada, from June 9th to 13th. The conference addresses all aspects of hydrogen and fuel cell developments. The Canadian Hydrogen Association and the National Hydrogen Association in the United States are jointly organizing this year's conference. See the WHEC Web site at: http://www.hydrogen2002.com/. Report: Distributed Generation to Grow 15-Fold by 2011 The global electric capacity of distributed generation sources will grow to 300,000 megawatts by 2011, according to a new report. Distributed generation includes modular forms of generating or storing electricity that can be located near the point of use -- for instance, fuel cells or solar electric systems. An upcoming report from Allied Business Intelligence (ABI) projects a 15-fold increase in the use of distributed generation from today's 20,000 megawatts. According to ABI, reciprocating engines and small gas turbines should dominate the market until about 2005, when fuel cells are expected to grow in prominence. The full report is due out in late June. See the ABI press release, in Adobe PDF format only, at: http://www.alliedworld.com/pdfs/DGN02pr.pdf. The National Rural Electric Cooperative Association (NRECA) has recognized the growing distributed generation market and the challenges that it faces. Because one of the major challenges is the interconnection of any generation system with the power grid, NRECA has created a Distributed Generation Toolkit to help its members address the legal, economic and technical issues raised by consumer-owned generation. The toolkit, which was rolled out in April, may also be helpful to others investigating distributed generation. See the toolkit on the NRECA Web site at: http://www.nreca.org/leg_reg/DGToolKit/. Ballard Power Systems Inc., a leading fuel-cell manufacturer, also appears to be anticipating the growing distributed generation market. The company has just produced a new power converter for microturbines and has opened an Alternative Energy Laboratory in Dearborn, Michigan, for the testing of generation systems using power sources such as fuel cells, microturbines, and internal combustion engines. See the Ballard press release, in Adobe PDF format only, at: http://www.ballard.com/pdfs/EDP_May_21_02.PDF. Companies Developing Alternative Home Power Technologies Two new technologies for distributed generation -- Stirling engines and liquid-injected cogeneration -- have recently appeared on the horizon, although commercial plans for both technologies remain several years in the future. Ocean Power Corporation claims to have developed a home energy system
Re: Diesel-bashing - was Re: [biofuel] Sen. John Kerry (Dem.: Mass.)
Murdoch wrote: What I get out of this is that you're saying it's a project that needs doing. Many people agreed at the time that it was/is. I am not sure that I am up to it so I will not volunteer at this time. I wasn't suggesting that you personally take it up. I was wondering if anyone was willing to. Seems not. Too bad. I'll drop it then. That gives me personally a mental list of 2.5: Posting Weekly Ethanol Pricing (since none is readily available anywhere). Cleaning up my ethanol page (which I posted because I was tired of the helpful messages I saw on HIPC going the way of all chat messages). Putting up a clearing-up-biodiesel misconceptions page. I put up an ethanol page about 6 months ago: http://www.herecomesmongo.com/ae/CH3CH2OH.html and have since added, above and below, a few of the posts I found here. It is more a place for me to keep things than necessarily intended to help others. It started out as a response to an acquaintance of mine. I don't care if anyone here hates it, but if someone has some constructive comment, I suppose that could help. As to Kerry, he's neither going away, nor is his staff completely incompetent to some of these battles (I guess they'd qualify as researchers... quasi-reporters... in your scenario Um, no, I think not, not quasi-reporters. But never mind. He has his research staff. Anyway, from what you said, they lost the battle against the diesel-bashers, eh? Or was it quite that way? In Why Cafe Failed Fuel Conservation, An open letter to Sen. John Kerry (D-Mass.) in The Washington Post on March 18, 2002, Warren Brown said: It's time for you and your supporters to end your knee-jerk opposition to all things diesel. Stop confusing politics with science. http://www.dieselforum.org/inthenews/washpost_031802.html This was after Kerry's statement that you referred to. Here are some references to his getting bashed though: http://www.boston.com/dailyglobe2/059/nation/Kerry_s_idea_on_diesel_fu el_irks_environmentalists+.shtml Boston Globe Online / Nation | World / Kerry's idea on diesel fuel irks environmentalists http://www.freep.com/news/nw/fuel28_20020228.htm Kerry to deal on gas proposal http://www.sacbee.com/content/opinion/story/2090960p-2423051c.html The Sacramento Bee, April 7, 2002 Diesel fuel would slash energy use and greenhouse gas )...but you're probably right that he's taken more heat than he might want and will take some more for his stance in diesel (he did point out when he was asked to defend his stance as to the cleaner nature of Euro Diesel). Or will change his stance on diesel. From a political currents point of view, the immediate effect was to deflate about 50% of the early momentum he had made for himself, but that would also have happened just by most moving on to other issues anyway. For a week or two, he made his energy policy proposals a fairly hot topic. His energy policy positions, in general, reflected a great deal of thought and planning and my first reading of them them was a stand-up-and-cheer moment for me, with the possible exception of his inflexible stance on ANWR where he made clear that he would fillibuster any ANWR drilling (I know, I'm not supposed to allow for at least discussing ANWR drilling but I do). Sorry, I don't understand the bit in brackets, what aren't you supposed to do? Keith Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/DlIU9C/4m7CAA/Ey.GAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] DIESEL TECHNOLOGY FORUM -- Quotes
Ed Beggs wrote: http://www.dieselforum.org/quotes/quotes.html Thanks Ed, those are good. Diesel Technology Forum is good, with a couple of provisos. One is this: The Diesel Technology Forum represents manufacturers of engines, fuel and emissions control systems. It brings together the diesel industry, the broad diesel user community, civic and public interest leaders, government regulators, academics, scientists, the petroleum industry and public health researches to encourage the exchange of information, ideas, scientific findings and points-of-view to current and future uses of diesel power technology. No problem there, well and good, only the diesel-basher fraternity will write them off as a biased industry front-group. Another proviso is that you'd think they'd have more scientific studies on hand. For instance, the other link you sent, on the Washington buses, mentions the CARB study that found that CNG buses might be worse polluters than diesels with a soot trap. This article is also available at the Diesel Technology Forum, along with a press release on the CARB study, but not the study itself, nor contact details for CARB's Allen Schaeffer, quoted in the article. http://www.dieselforum.org/news/apr_19_2002.html There are some contact details (phone numbers) in CARB's own press release, which is here: http://www.arb.ca.gov/newsrel/nr041802.htm But I can't find the study at that site either. I also can't find the Harvard study at the Diesel Technology Forum site, that found that natural gas may generate more ultra fine particles than diesel: http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/press/releases/press1102000.html Diesel or Natural Gas? Complete report: http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/Organizations/hcra/diesel/diesel.pdf Still, obviously nobody here is interested in doing this job, and I'm not going to do it, so I guess the Diesel Technology Forum will have to do. Regards Keith Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/DlIU9C/4m7CAA/Ey.GAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Business2's take on biofuels
Hi Ramjee Business2 has come up with listing of 8 technologies that will change the world[1], wherein biofuel production plants have been identified too. Fossil Fuels Go Vegan - Biofuel Production Plants[2] First, growing crops without animals is not sustainable, so that won't work, or not for very long anyway. The big idea: Replacing oil with fuels from genetically engineered crops Whose big idea is that? Monsanto's maybe. So far, a lot of the industrial corn and soy grown in the US, mainly for animal feed and for export (as animal feed), and with huge current surpluses, is GE stuff. Apart from that the only contribution I know of that GE has made so far to the biofuels issue is the engineered soil bacterium Klebsiella planticola, which had an additional alcohol gene to produce ethanol from cellulose plant wastes, but which had the unfortunate side-effect of killing plants. http://www.safe2use.com/ca-ipm/01-02-05-report.htm GM Bacteria could destroy all life on earth - Report It's a pity about Klebsiella (to say the least!). Ethanol from cellulose would seem an obvious candidate for biotech, and this is the best they can do? GE is of course a promising technology, but not in its current form, and not in the hands of the current players. Until that changes I see no useful role for GE crops in biofuels production. It's a myth that they increase yields, yields are often lower, and it's even a myth that the so-called RoundUp-Ready GE crops decrease pesticide use, mostly it's been shown that they increase use of pesticides. They're duds. Or worse. Anyway, corn and soy are not the ideal biofuels crops, and industrial-type agriculture is not the ideal way to produce biofuels - not sustainable, high fossil-fuel inputs, high eco-costs, etc etc. The challenge: To increase the yield of biofuel crops, control the environmental strain imposed by biofuel farming, and renovate the fossil-fuel infrastructure I don't see any need to increase yields either, there's a vast range of crop and cropping possibilities that have hardly been considered. Ethanol, methanol, biodiesel, and other fuels made from agricultural products can reduce emissions and eliminate dependence on foreign oil. Today most biofuel is low-yield ethanol, derived from sugars stored in corn. Similarly, methanol takes almost as much energy to create as it releases when it's burned. I think very little methanol is produced from agricultural products, mostly from natural gas (fossil fuel). The US makes ethanol from low-yield corn, most other countries make it from sugar. But higher-yielding biofuel crops may create new hazards. Genetically engineered plants could escape to spawn kudzu-like superweeds. Widespread biofuel cultivation could also strain other resources, such as underground aquifers. Today's battles over oil could become tomorrow's water wars. This is a very US-oriented article, eh? Kudzu - shock, horror! Very useful plant, kudzu. Excellent forage (better than alfalfa), high yield, great for stabilising slopes, the tubers are a good source of starch, and if you want to get rid of it let in the pigs to root up the tubers, lots of pork, no more kudzu, and a very fertile field for the next crop. I wonder why biofuels production would strain water resources any more than massive over-production of unwanted corn and soy do now? I recollect Keith making a statement (obviously tongue_in_cheek) Nope, sorry, it was serious! wondering whether the biofuels would become the 'next big_bad thing,' a few 100 messages back. I was quoting Steve Spence, we were talking about ADM, and Steve said (I think): It's possible to do anything badly. In 10 years we'll probably be fighting Big Ethanol tooth and nail, like we fight Big Oil today. (Hope I got that right Steve.) At the same time that the US Senate gave the recent go-ahead to ethanol, ADM was accused of rigging ethanol prices. Would Club Sierra et al be opposing ethanol so strongly (and biodiesel) if the likes of ADM weren't lurking in the background? Does anyone in the list have pointers with respect to the unintended consequences of massive and widespread cultivation of biofuel plants (in future)? Am curious. If it's done industrially by the usual culprits it will have the same disastrous effects that industrial agriculture has now, and waste a lot of fossil-fuel in the doing. If it's done bioregionally, at local level, using crops and cropping systems that are locally appropriate, with production and marketing centred on local needs before exports to more distant markets, it needn't have such effects. If you want examples of what it would be like if done industrially, check out the effects of the so-called Green Revolution in countries like the Philippines and India. Vandana Shiva waxes quite eloquent on the subject, for one among many. That model of development has just about everything wrong with it, as is now thoroughly demonstrated, but
[biofuel] EREN Network News -- 05/29/02
= EREN NETWORK NEWS -- May 29, 2002 A weekly newsletter from the U.S. Department of Energy's (DOE) Energy Efficiency and Renewable Energy Network (EREN). http://www.eren.doe.gov/ = Featuring: *News and Events Ohio Governor Announces Fuel Cell Initiative Report: Distributed Generation to Grow 15-Fold by 2011 Companies Developing Alternative Home Power Technologies DOE Publishes Final Air Conditioning, Heat Pump Standards 300-Kilowatt Solar Power System Installed in Arizona California Renews its 20/20 Energy Conservation Program NREL Develops Low-Emissions Natural Gas Engine *Energy Facts and Tips Gas Prices Holding Steady Through Memorial Day Weekend *About this Newsletter -- NEWS AND EVENTS -- Ohio Governor Announces Fuel Cell Initiative Ohio Governor Bob Taft announced in early May a new $100 million, three-year initiative to help Ohio take a leadership position in the fuel cell industry. The Ohio Fuel Cell Initiative will expand the state's research capabilities, invest in expanding Ohio's fuel cell industry, and allow the state to participate in hydrogen infrastructure demonstration projects. See the governor's press release at: http://www.state.oh.us/gov/releases/050902fuelcell.htm. New fuel cell technologies were advanced last week when Fuel Cell Technologies Corporation (FCT) announced the successful testing of its 5-kilowatt fuel cell prototype. The prototype uses a solid oxide fuel cell provided by Siemens Westinghouse Power Corporation. According to FCT, the prototype produces electricity from natural gas at conversion efficiencies of greater than 40 percent -- that is, more than 40 percent of the energy in the natural gas is converted to electricity. FCT also won a contract in early May from California's South Coast Air Quality Management District for the demonstration of its fuel cell system in ten California homes. See the FCT press releases at: http://www.fct.ca/press.html. The FCT announcement is sure to be one topic of conversation at the 14th World Hydrogen Energy Conference (WHEC), to be held in Montreal, Canada, from June 9th to 13th. The conference addresses all aspects of hydrogen and fuel cell developments. The Canadian Hydrogen Association and the National Hydrogen Association in the United States are jointly organizing this year's conference. See the WHEC Web site at: http://www.hydrogen2002.com/. Report: Distributed Generation to Grow 15-Fold by 2011 The global electric capacity of distributed generation sources will grow to 300,000 megawatts by 2011, according to a new report. Distributed generation includes modular forms of generating or storing electricity that can be located near the point of use -- for instance, fuel cells or solar electric systems. An upcoming report from Allied Business Intelligence (ABI) projects a 15-fold increase in the use of distributed generation from today's 20,000 megawatts. According to ABI, reciprocating engines and small gas turbines should dominate the market until about 2005, when fuel cells are expected to grow in prominence. The full report is due out in late June. See the ABI press release, in Adobe PDF format only, at: http://www.alliedworld.com/pdfs/DGN02pr.pdf. The National Rural Electric Cooperative Association (NRECA) has recognized the growing distributed generation market and the challenges that it faces. Because one of the major challenges is the interconnection of any generation system with the power grid, NRECA has created a Distributed Generation Toolkit to help its members address the legal, economic and technical issues raised by consumer-owned generation. The toolkit, which was rolled out in April, may also be helpful to others investigating distributed generation. See the toolkit on the NRECA Web site at: http://www.nreca.org/leg_reg/DGToolKit/. Ballard Power Systems Inc., a leading fuel-cell manufacturer, also appears to be anticipating the growing distributed generation market. The company has just produced a new power converter for microturbines and has opened an Alternative Energy Laboratory in Dearborn, Michigan, for the testing of generation systems using power sources such as fuel cells, microturbines, and internal combustion engines. See the Ballard press release, in Adobe PDF format only, at: http://www.ballard.com/pdfs/EDP_May_21_02.PDF. Companies Developing Alternative Home Power Technologies Two new technologies for distributed generation -- Stirling engines and liquid-injected cogeneration -- have recently appeared on the horizon, although commercial plans for both technologies remain several years in the future. Ocean Power Corporation claims to have developed a home energy system
Re: [biofuel] WVO
In Austria, they calculated that the household used cooking oil resource to be 3 kg per head per year. They also calculated that the cost of cleaning it out of sewers. Then they started a household collection program, when the survey showed that only about 1/3 of the householder oil was being collected and the rest dumped down drains or landfilled. They gave out free sealed buckets and set it up to exchange for cleaned ones. Then they ran the buses on the biodiesel made from the WVO that was no longer a cost of sewer maintenance. Double benefit. How much is collected for recycling, from households in North America? Probably zero - I bet it's not even close to a third. It goes down the drain on into the landfill. http://www.cpc.at/itc_frameset_e.html?http://www.cpc.at/itc/biodiesel/home_e .html Regards, Edward Beggs, BES, MSc http://www.biofuels.ca on 5/29/02 11:35 AM, Patrick McBrady at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone know where I can find figures for WVO per person for any geographic area? In other words how much WVO may be available in an area that has 218,000 people. Thank You Patrick M [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/DlIU9C/4m7CAA/Ey.GAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] glycerin
I am a member of this group since 2000, but I had no quastion until now. I have a big problem what to do with glycerin. I am pripare to buy a expensive (cca.60.000,00 $) vakum destilater to puryfai (clean) glycerin, but do not now for what use is than that glycerin. I make glycerin from waste wegetable oil. Please help me! Thanks egon __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/DlIU9C/4m7CAA/Ey.GAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] WVO
Does anyone know where I can find figures for WVO per person for any geographic area? In other words how much WVO may be available in an area that has 218,000 people. Thank You Patrick M [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4 and no minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/orkH0C/n97DAA/Ey.GAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] WVO
How much would there be if it was collected from the restaurants in the georaphical area? Thanks Patrick M - Original Message - From: Neoteric Biofuels Inc. To: Biofuel-JTF Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2002 9:19 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] WVO In Austria, they calculated that the household used cooking oil resource to be 3 kg per head per year. They also calculated that the cost of cleaning it out of sewers. Then they started a household collection program, when the survey showed that only about 1/3 of the householder oil was being collected and the rest dumped down drains or landfilled. They gave out free sealed buckets and set it up to exchange for cleaned ones. Then they ran the buses on the biodiesel made from the WVO that was no longer a cost of sewer maintenance. Double benefit. How much is collected for recycling, from households in North America? Probably zero - I bet it's not even close to a third. It goes down the drain on into the landfill. http://www.cpc.at/itc_frameset_e.html?http://www.cpc.at/itc/biodiesel/home_e .html Regards, Edward Beggs, BES, MSc http://www.biofuels.ca on 5/29/02 11:35 AM, Patrick McBrady at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone know where I can find figures for WVO per person for any geographic area? In other words how much WVO may be available in an area that has 218,000 people. Thank You Patrick M [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4 and no minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/orkH0C/n97DAA/Ey.GAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: Diesel-bashing - was Re: [biofuel] Sen. John Kerry (Dem.: Mass.)
On Wed, 29 May 2002 17:48:19 +0900, you wrote: Murdoch wrote: As to Kerry, he's neither going away, nor is his staff completely incompetent to some of these battles (I guess they'd qualify as researchers... quasi-reporters... in your scenario Um, no, I think not, not quasi-reporters. But never mind. He has his research staff. Anyway, from what you said, they lost the battle against the diesel-bashers, eh? Only temporarily. What I am attempting to point out to you is that this was a very major guy making an unprecedented foray into not only ripping to shreds Mr. Bush's ridiculous energy proposals but also suggesting that we should consider diesel. Or was it quite that way? Yes, it was. In Why Cafe Failed Fuel Conservation, An open letter to Sen. John Kerry (D-Mass.) in The Washington Post on March 18, 2002, Warren Brown said: It's time for you and your supporters to end your knee-jerk opposition to all things diesel. Stop confusing politics with science. http://www.dieselforum.org/inthenews/washpost_031802.html I saw the quote on the quotes page, and I let it go because the page was excellent and research revealed little. But having read the article, I am going to assume that Mr. Brown simply didn't mind lumping Mr. Kerry in with his environmentalist allies... assuming Mr. Kerry's position on diesel without knowing it. Mr. Kerry *did* state that he thought we should consider the advantages that diesel has to offer us (my words) and then he was later forced to backpedal. But his stance did not bear any resemblance, that I know of, to the stance that Mr. Brown implies. http://www.sacbee.com/content/opinion/story/2090960p-2423051c.html The Sacramento Bee, April 7, 2002 Diesel fuel would slash energy use and greenhouse gas )...but you're probably right that he's taken more heat than he might want and will take some more for his stance in diesel (he did point out when he was asked to defend his stance as to the cleaner nature of Euro Diesel). Or will change his stance on diesel. You have assumed too much based on one third-handed reference by one journalist. His energy policy positions, in general, reflected a great deal of thought and planning and my first reading of them them was a stand-up-and-cheer moment for me, with the possible exception of his inflexible stance on ANWR where he made clear that he would fillibuster any ANWR drilling (I know, I'm not supposed to allow for at least discussing ANWR drilling but I do). Sorry, I don't understand the bit in brackets, what aren't you supposed to do? Keith I'm not supposed to raise the idea that drilling in ANWR might be something we'd want to consider. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/DlIU9C/4m7CAA/Ey.GAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Comments about Dynamotive's Pyrolysis Oil?
A followup post on this intruiging dynamotive comment. Over the last couple of weeks, some slightly wierd things have been afoot with dymtf.ob (including a one-day symbol change yesterday, and a change of symbol back today to dymtf.ob). I had written their investor relations asking them, generally, what in heck is going on with their sub-par performance of their revenues, and actually received a reply on my machine that they were contacting all investors. Anyway, after going round in phone-tag with them, I did write them with this suggestion about the maritime fuel market and got a quick reply today that they were happy to receive this suggestion, have been actively looking into it, but that tentatively it looks like their bio-oil is not presently quite up to the standards needed, and-or there is a cost issue. I haven't had a chance to talk with them directly yet. I haven't had any experience with Dynamotive yet, but since they are a Canadian company their outlook may be different. Also, their product of BioOil has the potential to replace fueloil in shipping which is a VERY big market. That being said they might have decided they want to becom Big FuelOil or even Big AlternativeEnergy. -jbs Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4 and no minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/orkH0C/n97DAA/Ey.GAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Ram Press for Field Mustard
Do any of you have any experience with, or knowledge of, the use of a manual ram press for extracting oil from seeds, nuts, etc.? I see a reference on webconix for building your own, but Steve's been down awhile now and I don't know when he's coming back. I've been researching the Bielenberg ram press used in Africa for a decade or more, and its cousin, optimized for sunflower seeds (unshelled!), called the mafuta mali. I'd like to get one, or plans for one, to try with a load of field mustard that I will be acquiring soon (Brassica rapa, AKA turnip). Seems like the most complicated part is a thing called the cage -- a piece of steel tubing made of bars shimmed slightly apart and welded together to form a slotted cylinder -- I can imagine welding up such a thing in my garage, but I'd also be happy to pay for it already perfected and fabricated. Any leads? Thx, -K (BTW -- thanks to Ed Beggs, Neoteric, and Martin Fisher, ApproTEC, for all their help so far). Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/DlIU9C/4m7CAA/Ey.GAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Biorefinery
Can anyone please give the details of any bio-refinery actually operating anywhere in the world? Or it is just a concept. Y. K. Jain MH wrote: December, 2001 Biorefineries: Revolutionizing the Production of Bioenergy and Bioproducts The biorefinery concept is gaining popularity as a model that will maximize the value of biomass resources in the U.S. Based on the petroleum refinery industry concept, which processes crude oil and natural gas into numerous fuels and petrochemicals, biorefineries will process a single or small number of biomass feedstocks into a wide range of useable bioenergy and biobased products. Biorefineries likewise will use their feedstocks to generate heat and electricity for use on-site or to sell to the power grid. Corn mills, soybean processing facilities, pulp and paper mills, and other biomass processes are early predecessors to the biorefinery concept. The biorefinery concept will expand upon these leaders by adding greater efficiency to processes, using feedstocks more completely, and producing a wider range of products. Each additional product could add value to the total economic return of the biorefinery. Additional information http://www.bioproducts-bioenergy.gov/news/recentArticles.asp Biomass Feedstock - Trees - Grasses - Agricultural Residues - Animal Wastes - Municipal Solid Waste Conversion Processes - Enzymatic Fermentation - Gas/Liquid Fermentation - Acid Hydrolysis/Fermentation - Gasification - Combustion - Co-firing USES Fuels - Ethanol - Renewable Diesel Power - Electricity - Heat Chemicals - Plastics - Solvents - Chemical Intermediates - Phenotics - Adhesives - Furfural - Fatty Acids - Acetic Acid - Carbon Black - Paints - Dyes, Pigments and Ink - Detergents ` Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/DlIU9C/4m7CAA/Ey.GAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
