[biofuels-biz] RE: californians 50%

2003-01-23 Thread Crabb, David

Re:
Californians 50%

I don't want to step on a good thing, but is it 50% because of the climate,
or 50% because Californians are
different or more energy conscious?

My gfather lives in San Diego.  He almost never has to turn the heat on,
ever.  He only uses AC on the 
hotest of days.. perhaps 5 days if that.

Contrast that to my coast, and its cold cold cold in the winter.. and hot
and muggy in the summer where you
might leave the AC in the car on while you tkae a shower and get ready for
your date..lest you get all sweaty before you AC can
cool your car.  not everyone owns a garage


So i dont really like the 50% one..

on the other hand.. THIS ONE 
http://energy.saving.nu/biofuel-sticker-3.jpg

is absolutely hilarious.   and gives you the secondary point of committing
suicide on your dependence on the pump.

funny..  :)

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Re: [biofuels-biz] RE: californians 50%

2003-01-23 Thread Hakan Falk


Hi David,

The fact is that California during many years have a very active
program for saving of energy. This is the reason, because if you
look at other states in US, with similar climate conditions, they
are at average or above average. Of course, a lot is AC in those
states, very much offices. If you look at statistics over the years
and growth, you can clearly see that it is man made savings.

California is the state that is and has been the most active state
in US, when it comes to energy conservation and pollution. We
had many exchange students and visiting professors from California
in the Swedish universities.

Still the Californian use twice as much energy as the average Swede.
But they are best in the US after Hawaii, which is definitely determined
by the climate.

Hakan




At 06:55 PM 1/23/2003 -0500, you wrote:
Re:
Californians 50%

I don't want to step on a good thing, but is it 50% because of the climate,
or 50% because Californians are
different or more energy conscious?

My gfather lives in San Diego.  He almost never has to turn the heat on,
ever.  He only uses AC on the
hotest of days.. perhaps 5 days if that.

Contrast that to my coast, and its cold cold cold in the winter.. and hot
and muggy in the summer where you
might leave the AC in the car on while you tkae a shower and get ready for
your date..lest you get all sweaty before you AC can
cool your car.  not everyone owns a garage


So i dont really like the 50% one..

on the other hand.. THIS ONE
http://energy.saving.nu/biofuel-sticker-3.jpg

is absolutely hilarious.   and gives you the secondary point of committing
suicide on your dependence on the pump.

funny..  :)



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[biofuels-biz] Worldwatch Online Discussion - Friday, January 24

2003-01-23 Thread Worldwatch Institute

For example, in the energy economy, the path to reform
leads away from fossil fuels and towards renewable energy sources, and
in materials production, away from primary reliance on mining and more
on recycling.

Keith



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[biofuel] Re: Fwd: Waste Oil Furnace

2003-01-23 Thread heidinem [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Thanks Craig,

I am kind of new to computers and not very sure of what I am doing. 
My kids have to help me sometimes. But I feel so dumb asking.

I asked about the heaters today and he said that none of them are 
safe enough for the average homeowner yet. Kind of like woodstoves 
because they are not set and forget. They need to be refuled once a 
week though so they are not quite like a woodstove. I have lived with 
a wood stove and it wasn't too bad to tend. Though I would have liked 
to only have to stoke it once a week instead of several times a day.

He has two heaters that burns wvo and one that burns gliceren. One 
is like a big candle with a bunch of wicks. It only produces a little 
heat...enough for one room. One is like a rocket engine and produces 
enough heat to melt metals. And one is like a tall metal tube full of 
sand and makes steam. I don't know what the sand is for.

He calls his generator his co-generator and uses the heat in his 
house and sells the electricity. He says it is mostly to get a bunch 
of hours so he can see if it hurts the engine. ??

We are both very busy during the week but we will be spending some 
time together this weekend. Are there any other questions you want me 
to ask? He is really proud of his experiments and is usually happy 
to share it with anybody that is interested. In fact sometimes that 
is all he talks about! :(

Heidi

--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, craig reece [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Heidi,
 
 No, you sent it to the biofuels Yahoo group, and I responded to the
 group. Looks like I'm the only one who's responded - hard to 
believe -
 it's such a good application for WVO.
 
 I look forward to hearing more about his stuff, and thanks,
 
 Craig
 
 heidinem  wrote:
 
   Craig,
 
  Did I send that offer to you personally? I meant to send it to the
  group. I will get the hang of this eventually. It was easier to 
lurk
  though.
 
  OK I will ask him for details on the heaters and generator and let
  you know what he says.
 
  Heidi
 
  --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, craig reece [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
   Heidi,
  
   I'd love to see/hear details of your friend's WVO  heaters, and
  details
   on his use of WVO in a generator.
  
   Thanks!
   Craig
  
   heidinem  wrote:
  
 I have just been a lurker here until now. I have a vegetable 
oil
fueled car which a friend converted for me and don't really
understand much about. It seems simple enough though.
   
He has several heaters he has built which use fryer oil as 
fuel as
 
well as a generator, tractor, and truck which he runs on what 
he
calls wvo. He built these heaters himself and I am not sure 
how
they
work but if people are interested I could ask him more about 
this.
 
   
Heidi
   
   
 
 
 
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[biofuel] oil production

2003-01-23 Thread Jack Kenworthy

Hello,
Keith, I was wondering about some of the information I have seen you post 
regarding the amount of world food production that is produced with no land.  I 
think I remember seeing 15% and I am wondering if you could point me towards 
some sources for that information.  We are running a permaculture designers 
course here right now and I got into a discussion with one of the instructors 
who was very interested by those figures.  I am also interested in what the 
list feels is the potential for the production of oil crops without taking up 
agricultural space for food production.
and thanks for all the posts on the drum modification, I am well on my way 
now.
cheers,
Jack
Jack Kenworthy
Sustainable Systems Director
The Cape Eleuthera Island School
242-359-7625 ph. 242-359-7697 fax
www.islandschool.org


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Re: [biofuel] Re: bumper stickers- let's make 'em! :)

2003-01-23 Thread James Slayden

Here is one for ya Hakan:

DinoFuels are Deadly, BioFuels Forever!

On Thu, 23 Jan 2003, Hakan Falk wrote:

 
 and another one,
 
 http://energy.saving.nu/biofuel-sticker-3.jpg
 
 Hakan
 
 At 01:37 AM 1/23/2003 +0100, Hakan Falk wrote:
 
 Hi MM,
 
 One more on the theme.
 
 http://energy.saving.nu/biofuel-sticker-2.jpg
 
 Hakan
 
 
 At 06:56 PM 1/22/2003 +0100, Hakan Falk wrote:
 
  MM,
  
  Changed the capitalization on first line, it is better,
  
  http://energy.saving.nu/biofuel-sticker.jpg
  
  I like the poster from girl Mark as a theme and then it is
  possible to change texts.
  
  Hakan
  
  At 09:46 AM 1/22/2003 -0800, murdoch wrote:
   *Ssomething* along those lines, yeah.  Pretty quick with a computer
   aren't ya?
   
   I'd also like to get one or two that ecompass the sustainable fuel
   theme in general, and not just the biofuel theme.  Now that I
   remember, this was the quandry I had with the
   only-a-budget-for-one-sticker project I had before.
   
   But for now, I think yours will do.  I wonder if all the words
 should
   have their first letters capitalized (not the URL, just the other
   parts).  I wonder if someone who knows about these things can say
 what
   would be better.  E.g.:
   
   Use Biofuels Instead
   Support Your Local Economy
   
   But I don't mind using smaller case, as you've done, because as
 we've
   all used computers more, I've come to see any use of upper-case as
   somewhat louder.  Well, anyway, maybe someone who has made bumper
   stickers can suggest minor tweaks to yours, and we can get something
   printed.
   
   I wouldn't mind having something for evworld.com also, although I'd
   have to ok it with the editor, as I think he might already have
   something for sale along these lines.
   

You mean roughly like this,
http://energy.saving.nu/biofuel-sticker.jpg

Hakan

At 08:36 AM 1/22/2003 -0800, you wrote:
 Constructive bumper sticker are therefore maybe more important
 than
 it looks like at the first glance. I hope that the above can
 give
  some
 ideas for better bumper stickers.

One good idea might be

Support Your Local Economy
Use Biofuels
   
   
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Re: [evworld] Re: [biofuel] Re: bumper stickers- let's make 'em! :)

2003-01-23 Thread James Slayden

This one I REALLY like!!

On Thu, 23 Jan 2003, Hakan Falk wrote:

 
 Power of repetition,
 
 http://energy.saving.nu/biofuel-sticker-4.jpg
 
 Hakan
 
 
 At 01:59 AM 1/23/2003 +0100, Hakan Falk wrote:
 
 and another one,
 
 http://energy.saving.nu/biofuel-sticker-3.jpg
 
 Hakan
 
 At 01:37 AM 1/23/2003 +0100, Hakan Falk wrote:
 
  Hi MM,
  
  One more on the theme.
  
  http://energy.saving.nu/biofuel-sticker-2.jpg
  
  Hakan
  
  
  At 06:56 PM 1/22/2003 +0100, Hakan Falk wrote:
  
   MM,
   
   Changed the capitalization on first line, it is better,
   
   http://energy.saving.nu/biofuel-sticker.jpg
   
   I like the poster from girl Mark as a theme and then it is
   possible to change texts.
   
   Hakan
   
   At 09:46 AM 1/22/2003 -0800, murdoch wrote:
*Ssomething* along those lines, yeah.  Pretty quick with a
 computer
aren't ya?

I'd also like to get one or two that ecompass the sustainable fuel
theme in general, and not just the biofuel theme.  Now that I
remember, this was the quandry I had with the
only-a-budget-for-one-sticker project I had before.

But for now, I think yours will do.  I wonder if all the words
 should
have their first letters capitalized (not the URL, just the other
parts).  I wonder if someone who knows about these things can say
 what
would be better.  E.g.:

Use Biofuels Instead
Support Your Local Economy

But I don't mind using smaller case, as you've done, because as
 we've
all used computers more, I've come to see any use of upper-case as
somewhat louder.  Well, anyway, maybe someone who has made
 bumper
stickers can suggest minor tweaks to yours, and we can get
 something
printed.

I wouldn't mind having something for evworld.com also, although
 I'd
have to ok it with the editor, as I think he might already have
something for sale along these lines.

 
 You mean roughly like this,
 http://energy.saving.nu/biofuel-sticker.jpg
 
 Hakan
 
 At 08:36 AM 1/22/2003 -0800, you wrote:
  Constructive bumper sticker are therefore maybe more
 important than
  it looks like at the first glance. I hope that the above can
 give
   some
  ideas for better bumper stickers.
 
 One good idea might be
 
 Support Your Local Economy
 Use Biofuels


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Re: [biofuel] working systems

2003-01-23 Thread NeilUSA

Heidi,

I was watching to see if a discussion started up.  I just purchased a 15 
acre homestead in Oregon where I will be plunging into WVO for vehicles, 
home electrification of a modern home, and home/workshop space/water 
heating with furnaces - all run on WVO.  It will be an incremental project 
though as an aviation mechanic with electronic background I expect I will 
be making what is not available cost effectively off the market shelf.  I 
would like the email to that individual for in depth discussions that would 
be too laborious to carry on in a mailing list.  Of course, progress 
reports will be posted to this mail list.  Its a great list and I would not 
be making the move into total energy self-sufficiency with discarded 
material.  Well, I need to prepare for the closing.

Neil

At 21:00 Wednesday, you wrote:
Heidi,

No, you sent it to the biofuels Yahoo group, and I responded to the
group. Looks like I'm the only one who's responded - hard to believe -
it's such a good application for WVO.

I look forward to hearing more about his stuff, and thanks,

Craig

heidinem  wrote:

   Craig,
 
  Did I send that offer to you personally? I meant to send it to the
  group. I will get the hang of this eventually. It was easier to lurk
  though.
 
  OK I will ask him for details on the heaters and generator and let
  you know what he says.
 
  Heidi
 
  --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, craig reece [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   Heidi,
  
   I'd love to see/hear details of your friend's WVO  heaters, and
  details
   on his use of WVO in a generator.
  
   Thanks!
   Craig
  
   heidinem  wrote:
  
I have just been a lurker here until now. I have a vegetable oil
fueled car which a friend converted for me and don't really
understand much about. It seems simple enough though.
   
He has several heaters he has built which use fryer oil as fuel as
 
well as a generator, tractor, and truck which he runs on what he
calls wvo. He built these heaters himself and I am not sure how
they
work but if people are interested I could ask him more about this.
 
   
Heidi



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[biofuel] I need some information about bioethanol business

2003-01-23 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]

How is the develope of the scale world?
In which combination is gasoline-ethanol in percentage ratio?
Is it possible to have some internet adresses about these arguments?

Best wishes

Ezio



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[biofuel] Waste Oil Heaters

2003-01-23 Thread NeilUSA

Are there any WVO designs that are passive heaters of sizable BTU 
output?  There are kerosene heaters that by the amount of wick can be of 
sufficient size to be the equivalent of an average house furnace (50-100K 
BTU).  The oil fired boilers and furances use various pumps/fans/etc. to 
create a mist with a flame front producing high BTU in a small area.  The 
WVO is thicker; but, can preheated WVO be used in a wick system?  This 
would seem to be simpler to design, safer to use, and would trade 
compactness for lower BTU/sq.  The burner itself could even preheat the 
fuel as is done in a typical coleman stove passing the liquid fuel in a 
pipe across the burner flame.  Well, maybe a small circulating fuel pump, 
safety/control circuits, and a pilot light would make this not quite 
passive yet close.  So, are there any WVO designs that are passive heaters 
of 50-100K BTU or more output?

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Re: [biofuel] oil production

2003-01-23 Thread Keith Addison

Hello,
Keith, I was wondering about some of the information I have seen 
you post regarding the amount of world food production that is 
produced with no land.  I think I remember seeing 15% and I am 
wondering if you could point me towards some sources for that 
information.  We are running a permaculture designers course here 
right now and I got into a discussion with one of the instructors 
who was very interested by those figures.  I am also interested in 
what the list feels is the potential for the production of oil crops 
without taking up agricultural space for food production.
and thanks for all the posts on the drum modification, I am well 
on my way now.
cheers,
Jack
Jack Kenworthy
Sustainable Systems Director
The Cape Eleuthera Island School
242-359-7625 ph. 242-359-7697 fax
www.islandschool.org

Permaculture is a design system, not a farming system. Which is not 
to knock it. But,IMO, you'd do better to start with the work of 
Howard and the founders of organic growing, or at least add it to 
permaculture. Start here:
http://journeytoforever.org/farm_library/howard.html

And here:
http://journeytoforever.org/farm_library/howardAT/ATtoc.html

To answer your question, these links should help:

http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?view=18805list=BIOFUEL

http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?view=1395list=BIOFUELS-BIZ

There's a lot about this in both archives, if you look around.

http://www.fao.org/News/1996/961007-E.HTM
Urban farming
Growing urban farms provide useful greens and earnings for poor, but 
reforms could boost supplies

http://www.foodfirst.org/pubs/policybs/pb4.html
The Multiple Functions and Benefits of Small Farm Agriculture In the 
Context of Global Trade Negotiations -- By Peter M. Rosset, Ph.D.

http://www.idrc.ca/books/reports/V213/index.html
IDRC Reports Archives: October 1993 (Volume 21, Number 3)
FARMING IN THE CITY: THE RISE OF URBAN AGRICULTURE

Lots more information here:

http://journeytoforever.org/cityfarm.html
City farms: Journey to Forever

http://journeytoforever.org/farm.html
Small farms: Journey to Forever

regards

Keith


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Re: [biofuel] I need some information about bioethanol business

2003-01-23 Thread Contactos Mundiales

Dear Ezio:

In reply to your three questions:

#1- Please rephrase the first question again, its meaning is not clear to
me.

#2- You can blend ethanol with gasoline in any proportion you may wish,
starting at 8% up to 85%. Even neat ethanol, 100% pure, can be used on
modified engines.  Millions of cars in Brazil have been running on neat
ethanol
for decades.  There are cars made by major manufacturers in USA that can
use a blend of 85%-15% gasoline.  I understand gasoline price in Italy is
extremely high, therefore there is a great opportunity to substitute ethanol
for gasoline.  Important economic and environmental benefits will accrue.

#3- One of the best sources of information available on ethanol issues, from
technology to legislation, is ECO  Please visit them at http://www.eesi.org/
They will welcome your suggestions, comments, and questions. Another
source for information is  NREL, Department of Energy, US Gov.

Finally, if you are interested to learn about the most efficient way to
produce
ethanol from Sucrose (sugar cane molasses, sugar cane juice), or Glucose
(from
corn starch and other starches) or from Fructose, I can send a two-page
document
directly to your Email address, which describes the High-Speed Low-Effluent
yeast and process. The new yeast and process can:

* Produce 3 complete fermentations per day (One complete cycle every 8
hours)
* Ferment in very high Brix substrates (Up to 35 Brix)
* Increases fermenters productivity by 6-fold over conventional yeasts and
processes
* Recycle the yeast over and over without the use of centrifuges
* This yeast and process combination reduces distillery effluent (vinasse)
from 14-15
   liters per liter ethanol, to only 5 - 7 liters, thus minimizing effluent
treatment and
   disposal costs
* Capital costs for new plants can be lower by 30 to 45% vs. conventional
plants
   (Less equipment, fewer fermenters, less space, etc.)
* Existing distilleries can be economically converted to the H-S / L-E yeast
and
   process.

The same invitation is kindly extended to all the forum members.  I have
extensive
archives on fuel ethanol, please be my guests.

With best regards,

Luis R. Calzadilla
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- Original Message -
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Subject: [biofuel] I need some information about bioethanol business


 How is the develope of the scale world?
 In which combination is gasoline-ethanol in percentage ratio?
 Is it possible to have some internet adresses about these arguments?

 Best wishes

 Ezio



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RE: [biofuel] Waste Oil Heaters

2003-01-23 Thread Myles Twete

Wick heaters work great with KeroseneI ruined a wick trying biodiesel
with one though.  Worse yet with SVO.  A new wick configuration (perhaps
using metal microtubes instead) would be required I think.
BTW-The coleman stoves are vapor atomizing---i.e. vaporizing, burners.
Vaporizing burners work well with diesel, biodiesel or SVO I should think.
I use a vapor atomizing burner on my steamboat.  Problems include
overheating the fuel in the vaporizer causing free carbon atoms, which
accumulate clog up the pipes and any heat transfer screens in the vaporizer.
The hot vapor and carbon dust mix also severely  grinds away at any exposed
pipe threads and other things you don't want to erode.  Finally, before that
high temp is reached, the fuel and vaporizer has to be preheated, usually
with some other fuel, and rarely automatic.  This takes time, is very
difficult to get exact as to when to open the valve to allow vaporized fuel
to flow to the burners, etctoo early opening the valve and you risk
sending liquid gunk to the burner jets, thereby clogging them.  So
vaporizing burners are challenging at least.

-Myles Twete, Portland, Or.


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[biofuel] Worldwatch Online Discussion - Friday, January 24

2003-01-23 Thread Worldwatch Institute

For example, in the energy economy, the path to reform
leads away from fossil fuels and towards renewable energy sources, and
in materials production, away from primary reliance on mining and more
on recycling.

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[biofuel] Looking For Connections in Milwaukee

2003-01-23 Thread dpollisme [EMAIL PROTECTED]

I stumbled upon biodiesel while on Metafilter and became completely 
hooked on the idea.  However, since both my van and car were gasoline 
based, and working, I was left wringing my hands, waiting for one to 
die.  It happened (trany on the van), and I've gone and purchased a 
Mercedes-Benz 240D off of eBay for $1025 with 115K on it.  Yeah, I'm 
nuts.  

Any way, I hope to be producing my own biodiesel by Spring.  I was 
wondering if anybody else was located in the Southeaster Wisconsin 
area and could give me any advice for getting supplies and what not 
around here.  Maybe even recommend a good mechanic if ther're driving 
a similar vehicle!



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[biofuel] Biodiesel Properties???

2003-01-23 Thread dave01632002 [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Hello,

I am planning to use biodiesel to heat my home next winter because I 
just paid $240 to pump 200 gallons of heating oil into my fuel oil 
furnace in my basement to get me through this harsh winter.  I have 
some concerns though.  Can someone tell me the average viscosity, 
density, and energy content (Joules per kg burned) of biodeiesel vs. 
that of home heating oil.

Thank you,

Dave 



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