[biofuels-biz] Palm Oil as a Fuel for Agricultural Diesel Engines: Comparative Testing against Diesel Oil
Hi, Some of you keen SVO people may remember that about six months back, I mentioned that palm oil had been recently tested in agricultural engines in Thailand. At the time, I was editing the paper for my Thai colleagues so ethically I was unable to give biofuels-biz any specific details. All I could assert was that refined palm oil had been used successfully for over 2000 hours whereas crude palm oil (CPO) caused engine failure within 500 hours. (This observation was based on my personal observations obtained while working with them. So were my comments on engine wear.) Well the paper on the trials with refined palm oil has now been published by ny colleague Gumpon Prateepchaikul and I am pleased to attach a copy (in English) for those interested in comparitive tests against petro-diesel. Regards Michael Allen [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Rent DVDs Online - Over 14,500 titles. No Late Fees Free Shipping. Try Netflix for FREE! http://us.click.yahoo.com/YoVfrB/XP.FAA/uetFAA/9bTolB/TM -~- Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://webconx.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuels-biz] Palm Oil as a Fuel for Agricultural Diesel Engines: Comparative Testing against Diesel Oil
Dear Michael, Can you please send a copy to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Hakan At 09:33 PM 5/9/2003 +1200, you wrote: Hi, Some of you keen SVO people may remember that about six months back, I mentioned that palm oil had been recently tested in agricultural engines in Thailand. At the time, I was editing the paper for my Thai colleagues so ethically I was unable to give biofuels-biz any specific details. All I could assert was that refined palm oil had been used successfully for over 2000 hours whereas crude palm oil (CPO) caused engine failure within 500 hours. (This observation was based on my personal observations obtained while working with them. So were my comments on engine wear.) Well the paper on the trials with refined palm oil has now been published by ny colleague Gumpon Prateepchaikul and I am pleased to attach a copy (in English) for those interested in comparitive tests against petro-diesel. Regards Michael Allen [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://webconx.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Rent DVDs Online - Over 14,500 titles. No Late Fees Free Shipping. Try Netflix for FREE! http://us.click.yahoo.com/YoVfrB/XP.FAA/uetFAA/9bTolB/TM -~- Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://webconx.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuels-biz] Palm Oil as a Fuel for Agricultural Diesel Engines: Comparative Testing against Diesel Oil
Dear Michael; I too would like to have a copy of this paper by Gumpon Prateepchaikul Thanks Guillaume Murere Hakan wrote: Dear Michael, Can you please send a copy to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Hakan At 09:33 PM 5/9/2003 +1200, you wrote: Hi, Some of you keen SVO people may remember that about six months back, I mentioned that palm oil had been recently tested in agricultural engines in Thailand. At the time, I was editing the paper for my Thai colleagues so ethically I was unable to give biofuels-biz any specific details. All I could assert was that refined palm oil had been used successfully for over 2000 hours whereas crude palm oil (CPO) caused engine failure within 500 hours. (This observation was based on my personal observations obtained while working with them. So were my comments on engine wear.) Well the paper on the trials with refined palm oil has now been published by ny colleague Gumpon Prateepchaikul and I am pleased to attach a copy (in English) for those interested in comparitive tests against petro-diesel. Regards Michael Allen [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://webconx.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://webconx.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Rent DVDs Online - Over 14,500 titles. No Late Fees Free Shipping. Try Netflix for FREE! http://us.click.yahoo.com/YoVfrB/XP.FAA/uetFAA/9bTolB/TM -~- Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://webconx.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuels-biz] Digest Number 563
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Re: [biofuels-biz] Palm Oil as a Fuel for Agricultural Diesel Engines: Comparative Testing against Diesel Oil
Mike : Pls send me a copy :[EMAIL PROTECTED] . by the way , what is the price of palm oil now ??? tks. ak At 09:33 PM 5/9/03 +1200, you wrote: Hi, Some of you keen SVO people may remember that about six months back, I mentioned that palm oil had been recently tested in agricultural engines in Thailand. At the time, I was editing the paper for my Thai colleagues so ethically I was unable to give biofuels-biz any specific details. All I could assert was that refined palm oil had been used successfully for over 2000 hours whereas crude palm oil (CPO) caused engine failure within 500 hours. (This observation was based on my personal observations obtained while working with them. So were my comments on engine wear.) Well the paper on the trials with refined palm oil has now been published by ny colleague Gumpon Prateepchaikul and I am pleased to attach a copy (in English) for those interested in comparitive tests against petro-diesel. Regards Michael Allen [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://webconx.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Rent DVDs from home. Over 14,500 titles. Free Shipping No Late Fees. Try Netflix for FREE! http://us.click.yahoo.com/BVVfoB/hP.FAA/uetFAA/9bTolB/TM -~- Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://webconx.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] methanol pricing
Hi Racing Methanol in the UK is about £3 a gallon (4.54L). Mark = Mark Schofield M.Sc B.Eng DHE AMIMechE t 07944 401662 e [EMAIL PROTECTED] Autogas Conversions and LPG Pumps __ Yahoo! Plus For a better Internet experience http://www.yahoo.co.uk/btoffer Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Rent DVDs from home. Over 14,500 titles. Free Shipping No Late Fees. Try Netflix for FREE! http://us.click.yahoo.com/BVVfoB/hP.FAA/uetFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] methanol pricing
Hi, I am in North BAy, Ontario, and I get mine at True Value hardware for 5.39 for 4l. It makes it handy to put the glycerol in those containers too. Canadian Tire and Home Hardware have really expensive stuff, and I don't know about Home depot. By the way, Methyl Hydrate is the same thing as Methanol. Cheers. Dan --- Jack Kenworthy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: btw, here is an e-mail contact for VP Racing fuels in western Canada. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jack Kenworthy Sustainable Systems Director The Cape Eleuthera Island School 242-359-7625 ph. 954-252-2224 fax www.islandschool.org - Original Message - From: brent3369 To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 11:31 AM Subject: [biofuel] methanol pricing What price is everyone here paying for methanol? I'm looking for Canadian sourses in western Canada. I pay $30/20l pail here in Yorkton Sask. Can't seem to find larger quantities. Brent Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] __ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Rent DVDs from home. Over 14,500 titles. Free Shipping No Late Fees. Try Netflix for FREE! http://us.click.yahoo.com/BVVfoB/hP.FAA/uetFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] My Biodiesel experience so far.....
Well, I have finished my second 45 gallon batch of fuel and all is well. The Vanagon just LOVES the stuff and actually seems to run smoother. Power seems the same, all smoking is GONE and the exhaust smells LOT better. The used oil I have been using is what I call Carney Grease - It's the stuff I have been collecting all winter from the food vendors at the fairs held all winter here in Az. This stuff is CRAP and runs from Canola oil, peanut oil, soy oil and only God knows what else. It is INCREDABLY filthy and I have even found cigarette butts in it. I don't filter it before dumping it in my processor, but rather two to three time as I transfer it from the processor tank to the second stage settling tank to the final storage tank. The chemical reaction seems to work just fine with the food bits in there and most of that stuff ends up in the glycerine layer. I have a 55 galloon drum in my Vanagon with a top spout. If a Carney Vendor just drains his stuff into a bucket, we pour ir theough a funnel with three layers of window screen. (gets the cigarette butts!!) I have a drain on the bottom to empty it for processing. Most of the time we just pick the oil up in the original containers. EQUIPMENT = My main processor tank is a steel drum with a removable top secured with a big steel cinch ring. The removable top is actually the bottom and has a drain in the small threaded hole and a 110 volt water heater element threaded into a water heater element base that I welded into the top (now bottom). I cut a semi circle out of the bottom (now the top) and use that to lower my pump and pour all the goodies in. This whole rig sits on top of a roll around frame that I made from 2x2 angle and that also allows me room to get a bucket under it to drain the discusting gylcerine. I find that my mixing pump labors a lot less if I heat the crud a bit, and the whole mixture kicks quicker if you warm it too. I PREMIX all the oil before I titrate, as it comes from all over and has all kinds of stuff cooked in it. I premix for an hour then Titrate. MIXING pump - I use a 1.6 horse sump pump and it is PERFECT for mixing. SO FAR, the methonal and it seem to get along. Filter. WELL !! The Real diesel fuel filters cost an arm and a leg, so I use the sand and sediment drinking water filters from the Home Depot store. The plastic canister was about 12 bucks and the filters are $7 for two. I am still on the first. I found a GREAT NEW drinking water filter setup at a yard sale for $3. (Ain't America WONDERFUL ???) FUEL TRANSFER. One of the BIG problems is moving all the fuel/oil/crud from tank to tank and eventually to your fuel can and THEN into the damn car. I tried a 12 volt diaphram pump and it was swell until tha methanol ate it. I bit the bullet and bought a Tallow pump from a GREAT local supplier here in Phoenix. Moves crud at the rate of 5 gallons a minute and will suck the chrome off a buick bumper. It is a Cast Iron and brass gear drive pump that's a lot like the one on your Chevy. It's WORTH IT if you're gonna fool with this stuff for for a while.. Titrating - I use some litmus paper that I got at the supply house where I bought the really cool beakers and dishes. TITRATE EVERY TIME and then make a sample in the old blender. I am no chemist, so I amamazed at watching the process happen in the sample batch. METHANOL - I bought a 55 gallon drum for $120 at a local supplier. They said they'd sell me the next drum for $110. Storage barrels - I LOVE those really cool bright blue water barrels. You can look down in them and see you finger on the outside then you can REALLY see how full they are. I use two currently - one as a second stage settling barrel and the second as a final stage storage barrel. So, tomorrow I use up the rest of my Carney Grease and will hit a few places for a regular supply. I can say this IF one can make good clean fuel out of the discusting crap I've been getting, then ANYONE can do it. FOLLOW THE DIRECTIONS in the From the fryer to the tank, book and you'll be amazed. Finally, I am married to the neatest woman who just happens to be my best friend. She puts up with the Solar Power thing and backs me on making my own fuel. In turn, I go to all the craft shows with her (and make comntact with the food vendors!!) Hope for peace and maybe some day Old Men will stop sending young men to kill and die. (THAT'S ALL for my political crap) Be glad to send pics and info to anyone interested. Bill in Az Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Rent DVDs Online - Over 14,500 titles. No Late Fees Free Shipping. Try Netflix for FREE! http://us.click.yahoo.com/YoVfrB/XP.FAA/uetFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe,
[biofuel] Re: OT Personal
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Kim Garth Travis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you for the happy news, it is nice to know we are not the only ones. Bright Blessings, Kim We'll be celebrating 25 years of marriage during the last weekend in June, and yes, we still like each other! LOL Motie Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Rent DVDs from home. Over 14,500 titles. Free Shipping No Late Fees. Try Netflix for FREE! http://us.click.yahoo.com/BVVfoB/hP.FAA/uetFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Dextrose supplier needed
What do you need about dextrose ? Rodolfo - Original Message - From: Terry Wilhelm [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 6:18 AM Subject: [biofuel] Dextrose supplier needed Anybody have a lead on bulk dextrose? Thanks in advance Terry - Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Rent DVDs Online - Over 14,500 titles. No Late Fees Free Shipping. Try Netflix for FREE! http://us.click.yahoo.com/YoVfrB/XP.FAA/uetFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] photo of my processor
Hey folks, This list doesnt' accept attachments so I can't send photos here- but over on this link in a rather indirect manner, is attached a photo of one of my processors (and of me making an atrocious face and wearing dorky borrowed clothes). There's a sorta explanation of it all in message that this links to, and the photo is the attachment to THAT message: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Biodiesel/message/5177 mark Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Rent DVDs Online - Over 14,500 titles. No Late Fees Free Shipping. Try Netflix for FREE! http://us.click.yahoo.com/YoVfrB/XP.FAA/uetFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Dextrose supplier needed
a supplier Larosa Rodolfo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:What do you need about dextrose ? Rodolfo - Original Message - From: Terry Wilhelm [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 6:18 AM Subject: [biofuel] Dextrose supplier needed Anybody have a lead on bulk dextrose? Thanks in advance Terry - Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. - Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Rent DVDs from home. Over 14,500 titles. Free Shipping No Late Fees. Try Netflix for FREE! http://us.click.yahoo.com/BVVfoB/hP.FAA/uetFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Lieberman energy plan would slash US oil imports
Lisa wrote: it's just too bad he's a hawk in Democrats' clothing... Well, not only that, if even that... Actually it only looks half-good in comparison to the Bushies' various insanities. The one I posted is from Reuters. Here's the Associated Press version: Lieberman unveils plan to reduce foreign oil dependence by two-thirds in 10 years: http://www.enn.com/news/2003-05-08/s_4340.asp The LA Times: Lieberman Focuses on Fuel Efficiency: http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-lieb8may08,1,1070726.story Fuel efficiency - but no mention of diesels? What sense does that make? No mention of biofuels either. Plenty of mention of coal though - and sure, as very recently predicted by a member here, it's for (wait for it!) hydrogen. (Yawn...) Fuel cells. Ho hum. Bury the carbon, yes indeed. No mention of decentralization either, which is the key to it all, nor but a very humdrum version of improved efficiency and overall fuel use reduction. Nothing that might hurt anyone important, such as big vested interests or mainstream voters (at least as they're perceived from Washington). Pretty jingoistic too, as if it's blackmail by foreign oil barons that's the real problem. I suppose what's to be said for it is that at least it is some sort of energy policy, better than nothing, better than the current fiasco. Rather negative qualities. Keith Message: 5 Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 14:09:11 +0900 From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Lieberman energy plan would slash US oil imports http://www.planetark.org/dailynewsstory.cfm/newsid/20716/story.htm Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Rent DVDs Online - Over 14,500 titles. No Late Fees Free Shipping. Try Netflix for FREE! http://us.click.yahoo.com/YoVfrB/XP.FAA/uetFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Need Cetane Help
Sure, I can understand that. I previously worked on the Ricardo E6 engine, now as rare as hens teeth. Mark --- Fred Enga [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We have seen this kind of problem with trace methanol inducing vapour lock injection delays. Micro bubbles due to the vapour are required to be collapsed before the full hydraulic pressure is transmitted to the injector. When this is happening, all cetane results are bogus. This is especially true if the test work is carried out on a Ricardo Hydra engine. Fred Enga Astechman Energy Inc = Mark Schofield M.Sc B.Eng DHE AMIMechE t 07944 401662 e [EMAIL PROTECTED] Autogas Conversions and LPG Pumps __ Yahoo! Plus For a better Internet experience http://www.yahoo.co.uk/btoffer Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Rent DVDs Online - Over 14,500 titles. No Late Fees Free Shipping. Try Netflix for FREE! http://us.click.yahoo.com/YoVfrB/XP.FAA/uetFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Lieberman energy plan would slash US oil imports
Keith, Yes, hydrogen from coal as I said is obvious and is in the Bush plan also, even if he does not have the guts to mention it. I fully agree with the London mayor Livingstone's remarks about the current administration. Lieberman's plan is not very different from Bush, except that it is official. Any plan that does not include biofuels, Solar and wind, at least consider it seriously, is not a viable plan. It is poor mathematics to exclude critical variables in an equation. On the other hand, it is no demand on mathematical knowledge for politicians. Now the $ goes down and if OPEC turns to Euro, it could be free fall for $ and the US economy. Bush is already the most expensive president in US history. The poor Americans did not know who they elected as president and I do not want to apply the otherwise popular American attitudes about collective punishment. If the do not wake up and impeach Bush, even when it hits their wallets very hard, I will wait to see if Bush get reelected. Maybe the majority will win next time. If not, we can start to talk about collective responsability. Hakan At 09:38 PM 5/9/2003 +0900, you wrote: Lisa wrote: it's just too bad he's a hawk in Democrats' clothing... Well, not only that, if even that... Actually it only looks half-good in comparison to the Bushies' various insanities. The one I posted is from Reuters. Here's the Associated Press version: Lieberman unveils plan to reduce foreign oil dependence by two-thirds in 10 years: http://www.enn.com/news/2003-05-08/s_4340.asp The LA Times: Lieberman Focuses on Fuel Efficiency: http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-lieb8may08,1,1070726.story Fuel efficiency - but no mention of diesels? What sense does that make? No mention of biofuels either. Plenty of mention of coal though - and sure, as very recently predicted by a member here, it's for (wait for it!) hydrogen. (Yawn...) Fuel cells. Ho hum. Bury the carbon, yes indeed. No mention of decentralization either, which is the key to it all, nor but a very humdrum version of improved efficiency and overall fuel use reduction. Nothing that might hurt anyone important, such as big vested interests or mainstream voters (at least as they're perceived from Washington). Pretty jingoistic too, as if it's blackmail by foreign oil barons that's the real problem. I suppose what's to be said for it is that at least it is some sort of energy policy, better than nothing, better than the current fiasco. Rather negative qualities. Keith Message: 5 Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 14:09:11 +0900 From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Lieberman energy plan would slash US oil imports http://www.planetark.org/dailynewsstory.cfm/newsid/20716/story.htm Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Rent DVDs from home. Over 14,500 titles. Free Shipping No Late Fees. Try Netflix for FREE! http://us.click.yahoo.com/BVVfoB/hP.FAA/uetFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Energy plan mathematics was:Lieberman energy plan would slash US oil imports
To even suggest that oil dependence could be slashed in 7 or even 20 years is pathetic, as both Bush and Lieberman does. To get it down with two thirds in these time frames, is at best dreaming and at worse political scam. Let us look at facts. Private autos have a replacement cycle of around 10 years. This mean that if we had general availability of hydrogen cars today, it would take 10 years to replace existing cars. Transport vehicles have replacement cycle of 15 to 20 years. Buildings have 50 to 100 years replacement cycle and 20 years renovation cycle. Oil for heating and electricity production is nearly as large as for transportation. HOW CAN ANYONE TALK ABOUT SLASHING OIL DEPENDENCE IN 7 OR EVEN 17 YEARS WHO ARE THE IDIOTS THAT BELIEVE IN THIS, COULD IT BE THE AMERICAN PEOPLE? The developing countries have a golden opportunity to have a sustainable growth. Hakan At 09:38 PM 5/9/2003 +0900, you wrote: Lisa wrote: it's just too bad he's a hawk in Democrats' clothing... Well, not only that, if even that... Actually it only looks half-good in comparison to the Bushies' various insanities. The one I posted is from Reuters. Here's the Associated Press version: Lieberman unveils plan to reduce foreign oil dependence by two-thirds in 10 years: http://www.enn.com/news/2003-05-08/s_4340.asp The LA Times: Lieberman Focuses on Fuel Efficiency: http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-lieb8may08,1,1070726.story Fuel efficiency - but no mention of diesels? What sense does that make? No mention of biofuels either. Plenty of mention of coal though - and sure, as very recently predicted by a member here, it's for (wait for it!) hydrogen. (Yawn...) Fuel cells. Ho hum. Bury the carbon, yes indeed. No mention of decentralization either, which is the key to it all, nor but a very humdrum version of improved efficiency and overall fuel use reduction. Nothing that might hurt anyone important, such as big vested interests or mainstream voters (at least as they're perceived from Washington). Pretty jingoistic too, as if it's blackmail by foreign oil barons that's the real problem. I suppose what's to be said for it is that at least it is some sort of energy policy, better than nothing, better than the current fiasco. Rather negative qualities. Keith Message: 5 Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 14:09:11 +0900 From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Lieberman energy plan would slash US oil imports http://www.planetark.org/dailynewsstory.cfm/newsid/20716/story.htm Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Rent DVDs Online - Over 14,500 titles. No Late Fees Free Shipping. Try Netflix for FREE! http://us.click.yahoo.com/YoVfrB/XP.FAA/uetFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: photo of my processor
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, girl mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey folks, This list doesnt' accept attachments so I can't send photos here- but over on this link in a rather indirect manner, is attached a photo of one of my processors (and of me making an atrocious face and wearing dorky borrowed clothes). There's a sorta explanation of it all in message that this links to, and the photo is the attachment to THAT message: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Biodiesel/message/5177 mark Thats a great picture. Thanx for sharing. Brent Sask. Canada Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Get A Free Psychic Reading! Your Online Answer To Life's Important Questions. http://us.click.yahoo.com/aM1XQD/od7FAA/uetFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] washing diesel
I tried the 5 minute bubble wash that is in the book From The Fryer To The Tank. It settled, water turned cloudy, but the ph is still at 8.5. Now I heated a small sample to over 100 deg C and will test that today. I also took the remainder and will wash it again for 24 hours then test that again. How long does it take to settle out after the 24 hour wash? Brent Sask. Canada Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Rent DVDs from home. Over 14,500 titles. Free Shipping No Late Fees. Try Netflix for FREE! http://us.click.yahoo.com/BVVfoB/hP.FAA/uetFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] glycerin buyers?
Is there anyone in Western Canada that will buy the glycerin I get from my diesel? Brent Sask. Canada Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Rent DVDs Online - Over 14,500 titles. No Late Fees Free Shipping. Try Netflix for FREE! http://us.click.yahoo.com/YoVfrB/XP.FAA/uetFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Dextrose supplier needed
where? - Original Message - From: Terry Wilhelm [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 2:32 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Dextrose supplier needed a supplier Larosa Rodolfo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:What do you need about dextrose ? Rodolfo - Original Message - From: Terry Wilhelm [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 6:18 AM Subject: [biofuel] Dextrose supplier needed Anybody have a lead on bulk dextrose? Thanks in advance Terry - Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. - Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Get A Free Psychic Reading! Your Online Answer To Life's Important Questions. http://us.click.yahoo.com/Lj3uPC/Me7FAA/uetFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Dextrose supplier needed
Mr. Terry Wilhelm The Ravenoor Co. Dear Terry: For Dextrose you may contact Mr. J. Caicedo, [EMAIL PROTECTED] He works in the main Colombian Corn Products plant and he be happy to direct you to the closest plant in the US that may meet your bulk Dextrose needs. With very best regards, Luis R. Calzadilla [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Terry Wilhelm [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 11:18 PM Subject: [biofuel] Dextrose supplier needed Anybody have a lead on bulk dextrose? Thanks in advance Terry - Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Get A Free Psychic Reading! Your Online Answer To Life's Important Questions. http://us.click.yahoo.com/aM1XQD/od7FAA/uetFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Energy plan mathematics was:Lieberman energy plan would slash US oil imports
I agree that this seems to me, at first read, to be not practicable. I was not into his rhetoric about what he'd let others do to Americans' wallets. Lieberman's plan seems one-sided (improve mileage, slash dependence). Would mileage improvements (even if they occurred) lead to *any* cutting of overall oil use? It has appeared to me that as we cut mileage a little, we can also drive a few more miles and use the extra gas. I'd like to see price hikes in oil, if it's really that important. If importing oil is so bad (such as if it leads to permanent loss of jobs because the value of the cash we export is too high, in theory) then let that be reflected in the price, and we'd see some big slashes in use. But that's just part of things. I do not believe in one-sided attempts to attack this problem, as it is quite a daunting one, and we can use all the suggestions and ideas possible. So, maybe Sen. Lieberman's ideas have *some* merit, and so I'd be willing to think about them, I guess. MM On Fri, 09 May 2003 17:39:19 +0200, you wrote: To even suggest that oil dependence could be slashed in 7 or even 20 years is pathetic, as both Bush and Lieberman does. To get it down with two thirds in these time frames, is at best dreaming and at worse political scam. Let us look at facts. Private autos have a replacement cycle of around 10 years. This mean that if we had general availability of hydrogen cars today, it would take 10 years to replace existing cars. Transport vehicles have replacement cycle of 15 to 20 years. Buildings have 50 to 100 years replacement cycle and 20 years renovation cycle. Oil for heating and electricity production is nearly as large as for transportation. HOW CAN ANYONE TALK ABOUT SLASHING OIL DEPENDENCE IN 7 OR EVEN 17 YEARS WHO ARE THE IDIOTS THAT BELIEVE IN THIS, COULD IT BE THE AMERICAN PEOPLE? The developing countries have a golden opportunity to have a sustainable growth. Hakan Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Rent DVDs Online - Over 14,500 titles. No Late Fees Free Shipping. Try Netflix for FREE! http://us.click.yahoo.com/YoVfrB/XP.FAA/uetFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] waste-to-whatever
We very often post news stories and react. I have ideas I don't pursue sometimes in writing because there's nothing to react to, to use as a foil for launching into a topic that's been of interest. Or, there's no exactly right group out there. Over the years we've spoken here in the biofuel conference of the general issue of recycling or using waste as much as possible. This is a big topic and one that won't be solved in a day or a year or a century, but one that is a worthwhile challenge and where there are answers, should we look for them. Today in San Diego I saw a story, a sort of zoning-real-estate based story about a landfill that wants to expand. It just got me back on the topic. We generate prodigious amounts of waste. The neighborhood in question was a few years ago beset by terrible odors (to the point of some days taking refuge in their houses). But while the immediate issues did seem to be address by the landfill company, it just seems a pity that the best we can do is clean up a little and the expand the landfill. I wish we could do better than that. Is there a molecule of this waste that couldn't, but concerted human ingenuity, be recycled in a better way? San Diego, as a town, in some ways really kicks ass in my view. Don't know how much longer I'll be here, but it has done better perhaps than some other cities. It has yet to turn into the more criticizable aspects of some American Cities. Anyway, that was on my mind. Another recent experience was that I had some household wastes to dispose of that were not easily disposed. Some old paint. I called and indeed there was a procedure for signing up and it was no trivial. But I ended up giving them to a workman who said he could use them. Hope he did. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Rent DVDs from home. Over 14,500 titles. Free Shipping No Late Fees. Try Netflix for FREE! http://us.click.yahoo.com/BVVfoB/hP.FAA/uetFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
