[biofuels-biz] Multifuel diesel with heat pump
I started this discussion on wastewatts as a continuation of an other discussion and think that it could be interesting for the biofuel group also, if not more interesting. I would like to propose to the list that a diesel driven heat pump have an efficiency that is higher than any burner/boiler combination and if you use the heat from cooling the engine it is much higher. The application must of course be a low temperature one, like space heating etc. This is valid, even if you go from a diesel genset to an electrical driven heat pump. The reason why I think that it is interesting to discuss, is that I am looking at it from energy saving point of view. Co-generation is also an other interesting factor. Would be interesting with some input on this. Hakan Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/9bTolB/TM -~- Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuels-biz] Fwd: Re: [wastewatts] Re: Multifuel diesel with heat pump
Yes, most heat pumps that are sold in Europe are using piston compressors from industrial fridge and freezer applications. In fact, many of them comes from a factory in Lyon, France, that are the market leader on those compressors. They work fine and have a life span of 15 to 25 years. One advantage of using such a diesel unit, is that it is already possible with variable speed, which give clear efficiency advantages, compared with an AC driven unit, 20 to 30% less energy consumption. In this case it does not matter that much that they probably are over sized for what is needed for a medium size home. Often they have a 200 to 300 Watt generator on them for battery charging and if that one can be made bigger, you have a good charger for batteries and it can also be combined with solar/wind. They are often water cooled, which provides for a circuit for warm water production. Can be modified to run on biodiesel or modified to run directly on straight vegetable oil or well filtered waste vegetable oil. We should try to find manufacturers of those units, to see what is available and pricing. They have to be modified like the heat pumps, so they can have other types of primary and secondary circuits. A good used one, would be very valuable. Hakan At 16:41 03/12/2003, you wrote: How about one of the large diesel coolers from a refrigerated tractor trailer? A diesel engine runs a cooler (heat pump) that keeps the internal temp of the trailer below freezing. Should work in reverse too, as it has to get rid of its waste heat. And could be used as an air conditioner in the summer. Jimbo Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT http://rd.yahoo.com/SIG=12ca745jk/M=267637.4116732.5333197.1261774/D=egroupweb/S=1705016061:HM/EXP=1070560191/A=1853619/R=0/*http://www.netflix.com/Default?mqso=60178356partid=4116732 click here [] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/Yahoo! Terms of Service. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/9bTolB/TM -~- Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuels-biz] Mainstream media coverage innacurate
Just got handed the latest issue of AMC Outdoors Magazine. There is an article on biediesel within it. Looks like they have the right idea but have neglected some research. This is a bit troublesome because if anyone has not heard of biodiesel yet, they may be led to believe that it is only a cottage industry, rather than a way to fuel public transit. Is anyone on this list working on biodiesel production for public transit? I am trying to find any real information about what amounts of the stuff is used for busses in the U.S. and am not finding any. How much is produced for U.S. busses, and where does it go? - Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/9bTolB/TM -~- Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuels-biz] Multifuel diesel with heat pump
Mr. Falk, A diesel or gas cogeneration/ heat pump combination is commercially available. Go to http://www.polarpowerinc.com/products/generators/cogenset.htm 3tons/36,000 btu air conditioning or up to 66,000 btus heating and 6kw DC electric Bill -Original Message- From: Hakan Falk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 11:38 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Cc: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuels-biz] Multifuel diesel with heat pump I started this discussion on wastewatts as a continuation of an other discussion and think that it could be interesting for the biofuel group also, if not more interesting. I would like to propose to the list that a diesel driven heat pump have an efficiency that is higher than any burner/boiler combination and if you use the heat from cooling the engine it is much higher. The application must of course be a low temperature one, like space heating etc. This is valid, even if you go from a diesel genset to an electrical driven heat pump. The reason why I think that it is interesting to discuss, is that I am looking at it from energy saving point of view. Co-generation is also an other interesting factor. Would be interesting with some input on this. Hakan Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/9bTolB/TM -~- Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuels-biz] Multifuel diesel with heat pump
Bill, Yes, and it is not the only one. It is a very good idea and it is not enough debate around this idea. What was discussed, was a lot of burner versions, like babington, turk etc.. Burner/boilers are also available commercially. My view is that it is fewer alternatives on cogenerations and it is also a field that needs more attention. The one you pointed to is BIG and wasteful in itself. I like to see more tinkering and more done on cogeneration and energy moving instead of burning. The system that you pointed to is one version and I have some issues on the total HVAC design concept, but it is no point to discuss here. If more people can see the advantages of the cogeneration idea, we will get further and that was my goal. It is very much more to do in this field, especially on the efficiency side. In the end, why should not your energy efficient car double as cogeneration unit? Hakan At 21:36 03/12/2003, you wrote: Mr. Falk, A diesel or gas cogeneration/ heat pump combination is commercially available. Go to http://www.polarpowerinc.com/products/generators/cogenset.htmhttp://www.polarpowerinc.com/products/generators/cogenset.htm 3tons/36,000 btu air conditioning or up to 66,000 btus heating and 6kw DC electric Bill -Original Message- From: Hakan Falk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 11:38 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Cc: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuels-biz] Multifuel diesel with heat pump I started this discussion on wastewatts as a continuation of an other discussion and think that it could be interesting for the biofuel group also, if not more interesting. I would like to propose to the list that a diesel driven heat pump have an efficiency that is higher than any burner/boiler combination and if you use the heat from cooling the engine it is much higher. The application must of course be a low temperature one, like space heating etc. This is valid, even if you go from a diesel genset to an electrical driven heat pump. The reason why I think that it is interesting to discuss, is that I am looking at it from energy saving point of view. Co-generation is also an other interesting factor. Would be interesting with some input on this. Hakan Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/9bTolB/TM -~- Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuels-biz] New H2 car player
Hi, I found this page tonight. It is a company that says they are going to market a hydride H2 system for cars. http://www.unitednuclear.com/h2.htm MJ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/9bTolB/TM -~- Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuels-biz] EERE Network News -- 12/03/03
== EERE NETWORK NEWS -- December 3, 2003 A weekly newsletter from the U.S. Department of Energy's (DOE) Office of Energy Efficiency and Renewable Energy (EERE). http://www.eere.energy.gov/ == Featuring: *News and Events Coming Soon: Made With Renewable Energy Labels on Products Aeronaut's Goal: Around the World on Solar Power Seattle-Area Utility Pursues Wind Power, Energy Efficiency California Plant Begins Continuous Production of Biodiesel Canadian Company Continues to Advance BioOil Technology Two DOE-Funded Reports Show Promise for LED Lighting *Energy Connections EPA's Voluntary Programs Reduced Greenhouse Gases in 2002 *About this Newsletter -- NEWS AND EVENTS -- Coming Soon: Made With Renewable Energy Labels on Products The Center for Resource Solutions (CRS) -- the people that brought you the Green-e certification for green power products -- announced in early November that it will launch a new Made With Renewable Energy label for products in 2004. The label will feature the distinctive Green-e logo and will be available to companies that buy a significant amount of certified renewable energy for their buildings and factories. According to CRS, a number of companies have already applied for the label, including White Wave (a maker of soy milk products), the Interface Fabrics Group, Choice Organic Teas, and Lundberg Family Farms, a producer of rice. See the announcement on the Green-e Web site at: http://www.green-e.org/media_ed/made.html. This Thanksgiving, shoppers in much of the eastern United States had the opportunity to buy turkey that had been raised using 100 percent wind energy. Plainville Turkey Farms in New York State is buying its wind power from Community Energy, Inc. (CEI) and is now labeling six of its turkey products with the NewWind Energy logo. Consumers in the mid-Atlantic region can even shop at wind-powered groceries, since Whole Foods Market, Inc., is now buying wind power to meet 10 percent of the electricity needs at its 24 locations there. The company will buy six million kilowatt-hours of wind power each year from CEI. See the CEI press releases at: http://www.communityenergy.biz/cei_pr_turkeyfarm.html and http://www.communityenergy.biz/cei_pr_wholefoods.html. The Made With Renewable Energy label might eventually appear on a wide variety of products, thanks to a recent record purchase by the corporate members of the Green Power Market Development Group. Sterling Planet, Inc. announced in late November that it will provide a total of 795 million kilowatt-hours of renewable energy certificates over the next several years to select members of the group, including Alcoa Inc., Delphi Corporation, DuPont, Interface, Pitney Bowes, and Staples. Sterling Planet's Green America renewable energy certificates are Green-e certified. See the Sterling Planet press release at: http://www.sterlingplanet.com/sp/newsRelease27.jsp. Aeronaut's Goal: Around the World on Solar Power A team of aeronauts -- the first to circumnavigate the globe in a hot-air balloon without stopping -- now aims to repeat the feat in a solar-powered aircraft. Dr. Bertrand Piccard announced on Friday that he will team with Brian Jones, his former balloon co-pilot, and Andre Borschberg, an engineer and jet pilot, to accomplish the task. To develop a solar-powered airplane capable of flying continuously, the Piccard team will receive scientific assistance from the Swiss Federal Institute of Technology in Lausanne. A team of 30 experts from several departments of that institute has been investigating the feasibility of the solar-powered aircraft, called the Solar Impulse, since March. As envisioned by the team, the Solar Impulse aircraft will have an extremely long wingspan, advanced aerodynamics, and a revolutionary structure in order to capture and store sufficient solar energy during the day to be able to maintain itself in flight during the night. Piccard's plans call for the design and construction of a prototype aircraft over the next two years, followed by initial test flights in 2006. The team expects to achieve its first overnight flight in 2007, but they have not yet set a date for their flight around the world. See the Solar Impulse press release (a 140-kilobyte PDF file) and Web site at: http://www.solar-impulse.com/en/press.pdf and http://www.solar-impulse.com/en/index.php. The closest thing yet to the Solar Impulse was the Helios, an unmanned solar-powered aircraft developed by AeroVironment, Inc. for the National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA). The Helios was designed to use a fuel cell to maintain flight overnight, but it crashed in June
[biofuels-biz] Re: response to NBB request to support cloture
Hi Thor Did you ever get a response from Joe Jobe or the NBB about this? I wanted to say so at the time, I very much agree with you, I was pleased you wrote to them, excellent letter. Their latest Biodiesel Bulletin laments the fact that the Energy Bill was stalled: ASA and NBB Disappointed in Energy Bill Delay The American Soybean Association (ASA) and the National Biodiesel Board (NBB) today expressed their disappointment that final consideration of the Energy Bill was postponed until next year. http://www.biodiesel.org/resources/pressreleases/gen/20031125_Energy_B ill_Delay.pdf I lament the fact that the NBB seems to be so closed-minded - not only on issues such as this, but also regarding the way their message arrived, via their ludicrous http://nbb.grassroots.com/ effort. And rather too much else. I wonder if this grassroots stuff is the net result of World Energy's Graham Noyes trying to educate industry about the homebrew scene after he discovered here that we're far from the peril that'll destroy the market with sub-spec brew that he'd believed us to be, along with most of the industry. He said he would work for better cooperation between industry and the grassroots scene. Graham's first appearance was to solicit our support for the soy subsidies, and he was quite aghast when we refused to (he said we were anti-biofuels, LOL!). Well, he changed. During that episode I cited previous examples of industry's idea of cooperating with the grassroots, which never got any further than their than trying to coopt us in support of their interests, as Graham had tried to do, and as Joe Jobe just tried to do, and the NBB keeps trying to do. Four years ago a previous head of the NBB said this, in a message to someone else forwarded to me: Proponents of 'make-it-yourself' fuel are not looked upon as serious because there is no way to ensure consistent fuel quality. Of course, these groups can be very helpful when approaching government to demonstrate community-wide support. They still think that way it seems. The NBB still has the Perils of Homebrew article at its site: http://www.biodiesel.org/resources/reportsdatabase/reports/gen/2001040 1_gen-321.pdf But as we all know, the scare-stories about large quantities of sub-spec homebrew causing market disasters that industry had to clean up were just that, scare-mongering, without any basis in fact - Graham admitted he knew of no case of homebrew causing problems. And as we also all know it's sub-spec commercial brew that's been causing market disasters, in several cases, in the US and in Europe. It seems to be industry that can't find a way to ensure consistent fuel quality. I think it's the NBB that's anti-biofuels. Look at who they are: http://www.biodiesel.org/members/board/default.shtm Biodiesel.org - Board of Directors http://www.biodiesel.org/members/assoc/default.shtm Biodiesel.org - Members http://www.biodiesel.org/members/sponsors/ Biodiesel.org - Sponsors Soy, soy, soy, Monsanto, soy, BASF, Tyson, soy, Shell, soy... Plus ADM and Cargill swinging a lot of weight. These are not the interests that are going to lead the way to a glorious future of sustainable energy use, just Big Biofuels, agribusiness in drag, probably little better than Big Oil and maybe worse in some ways - they'll turn the whole world into a monocrop desert if they have their way. Agribusiness doesn't do anybody any good, it's not sustainable, it has no future. With its heavy dependence on fossil-fuel inputs it's hardly a departure from Big Oil anyway. Just substitution at best - and only B20, not B100. They're not the future, we are. Useful database though. Best Keith My response to the NBB's request to support the motion for cloture, to lift the senate filibuster on the energy bill. NBB's letter follows. Dear Mr. Jobe, As a long-time supporter and consumer of biodiesel, I would ask you, as Executive Director of the NBB, to look beyond the narrower interests of that organization to consider the broader ramifications for our country of the energy bill as whole. I fully support the biodiesel provisions in the bill (although I would prefer to see equal subsidies for virgin and non-virgin feedstocks), but there are many other provisions of the energy bill that are plainly going in the wrong direction in terms of long-term energy security, energy diversification, promotion of conservation measures, decentralization of production, and domestic energy independence. I understand that the NBB has a lot riding on this provision, and has worked hard for several years to achieve it. But there is every reason to think that these provisions would be an integral part of a better energy bill. After all, support for domestic biofuels has to be part of a sincere effort to reduce fossil fuel use, combat climate change, and promote domestic energy security. To ask NBB members to disregard their greater
Re: [biofuel] Storage of WVO prior to processing
Even then, things might get away on you. Best to use WVO up as it comes in and not store it too long. Can you explain what is happening to the oil? Oxidation? Which results in...what? Randal Son Resist Convenience, Go For Efficiency --- This message powered by BMI WebMail. -- http://webmail.bmi.net Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Yogurt the Gut: was Killer on tap
Greetings All, A personal experience. I have a very short gut after extensive resection for Crohn's disease. About a year ago I got very dehydrated, and all sorts of body systems shut down [on admission to Hosp. BP was ~70/40]. Treatment was IV fluids w/ electrolytes, antibiotics to knock down an overgrowth of 'bad' bugs in my gut. Bad diarrhea persisted, Dr.s out of ideas. my convivant asked Drs why not try organic yogurt? Drs were incredulous, but had nothing better, so ok'd it. I went home 2 days later!! I routinely eat ~1/4 cup of organic whole milk yogurt [nothing but milk, and cultures - NO guar gum, gelatin, or other fillers] about 1/2 hr before each meal. If I miss a dose, I usually get bad gas. Concentrating on the yogurt usually corrects this within a day. I'm a believer Wynn Keith Addison wrote: I agree about the yoghurt too - some people will call that quackery, but it's firmly established that the flora in live yoghurt will suppress and destroy gut pathogens, and indeed recolonise the gut. Not many doctors prescribe it though, do they? Funny that... (not!). Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Why Target Greenpeace?
Should Greenpeace be convicted as charged, the consequences would be disastrous to its mission of nonviolent environmental activism. Although the government casts the crime charged as a petty offense (United State's Response to Defendant's Motion for Jury Trial at p.2), that cavalier description belies the true import of this charge. Greenpeace, if convicted, could be, through conditions of probation, forced to abandon its forum and disavow its members' actions. Such terms would allow the government to silence Greenpeace, a result that is abhorrent to the values of freedom of speech. http://www.tompaine.com/feature2.cfm/ID/9525 Why Target Greenpeace? The American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) works in courts, legislatures and communities to defend and preserve individual rights and liberties guaranteed by the Constitution and laws of the United States. The People for the American Way Foundation advocates legal and social justice and the fundamental rights and freedoms of the Constitution. Editor's note: The following is an excerpt from the amicus brief filed by the ACLU and PFAWF. Click here to read the whole brief. For two hundred years, the United States government has refrained from prosecuting advocacy groups whose members occasionally engage in peaceful civil disobedience to convey a constitutionally protected message. The prosecution of Greenpeace indicates a sea change in that policy. Until now, only individual members of those groups have been prosecuted for their nonviolent, albeit unlawful, acts of civil disobedience. Greenpeace asserts, and there is reason to believe, that the government has selectively prosecuted it because of the content of its message. Selective prosecution violates the First Amendment and equal protection rights of Greenpeace; it also threatens every advocacy group whose message may offend the government of the moment. The government's radical departure from two hundred years of history invites the closest scrutiny. It has chosen to prosecute Greenpeace, an organization that regularly criticizes government policies, for the civil disobedience of its members. Using an arcane statute designed to deter the even more arcane practice of sailor-mongering, the government apparently seeks to silence Greenpeace, despite already having prosecuted and punished the individual Greenpeace climbers who performed the acts of protest aboard the vessel Jade. This prosecution threatens the very existence of Greenpeace, and because it appears to be based upon the content of its message, imperils the core values of the Constitution to which the ACLU and PFAWF are dedicated. Greenpeace's Mission Greenpeace is internationally recognized as an environmental activist organization. Since 1971, its mission has been to expose global environmental problems. Greenpeace describes itself in its Mission Statement: In pursuing our mission, we have no permanent allies or enemies. We promote open, informed debate about society's environmental choices. We use research, lobbying, and quiet diplomacy to pursue our goals, as well as high-profile, nonviolent conflict to raise the level and quality of public debate. Since its formation, Greenpeace and its activists have proven to be a thorn in the side of governments - foreign as well as domestic - and private corporations. That is their mission, and when individuals choose peaceful civil disobedience as a tool, they willingly pay the price for their actions. Their lobbying, diplomacy, and their protests, with and without civil disobedience, have proven effective. Until this indictment against the organization itself, however, only individual members of Greenpeace have been prosecuted for engaging in civil disobedience. A conviction may endanger Greenpeace's nonprofit status, and therefore its existence. Never in the jurisprudential history of the United States has an organization like Greenpeace that engages in a wide variety of constitutionally protected means of expression been charged with a criminal act arising from acts of civil disobedience by its members. Should Greenpeace be convicted as charged, the consequences would be disastrous to its mission of nonviolent environmental activism. Although the government casts the crime charged as a petty offense (United State's Response to Defendant's Motion for Jury Trial at p.2), that cavalier description belies the true import of this charge. Greenpeace, if convicted, could be, through conditions of probation, forced to abandon its forum and disavow its members' actions. Such terms would allow the government to silence Greenpeace, a result that is abhorrent to the values of freedom of speech. Facts On April 12, 2002, two Greenpeace activists climbed aboard the Jade, a vessel believed to be carrying mahogany illegally harvested in Brazil, allegedly being imported into the United States in violation of an international treaty to which the United States is a signatory. Their mission
Re: [biofuel] Expert Pans Ethanol
Keith Addison wrote: SASKATOON, Sask.-Ethanol production from corn is a fossil-energy-losing proposition is the conclusion of Professor Tad Patzek who is a petroleum and chemical engineer at University of California, Berkeley. That petroleum and chemical engineer part ought to tell you all you need to know about this guy's report. We have: - Burned more fossil fuels than the energy content of the ethanol from corn; - Degraded and eroded soil on millions of acres; - Polluted surface and groundwater with nitrates, herbicides, pesticides, and ethanol waste; - Polluted air with CO, NOx , SO2 , VOC, etc. [Carbon-monoxide, Nitrous Oxide, Sulphur Dioxide, Volatile Organic Compounds, etc.] ; - Continued to waste billions [of dollars] of taxpayers' money; and - Devised a terrible solution of air quality problems. Sounds like he's been reading Pimento's stuff. AP Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Battery EV - super 5 minutes charger found
Darryl tomasjkn 1.Super Charger Here is what I had found from Ariana EV, besides this super charger, car door opens when you are 8 meters away, an a lot of patents that you will find satisfied! http://www.ariana-ev.com/innovation.htm Inventions Innovations in Ariana 792 1 - Ariana 792 Commuter System (Patent No: 28381) Nowadays, the main problem with Electric Vehicles may be the long time that is taken to charge their batteries, (4 to 8 hours). That means there will only be enough time to charge the batteries during resting times of the vehicle, for example in nights. In Ariana commuter system, special chargers are designed for the first time; they can be known as a revolution in Electric Vehicles. In this system, batteries can be charged intelligently and automatically, in five minutes only; that is shorter than necessary for refueling conventional vehicles. 2.FreeWay Charging EV group owner Noel Adam had came up with a good idea to add chargers along freeway! So the EV can be recharged by pulling over to the shoulders or find a place to get a meal. For example, EV needs one recharge at Baker from LA to Vegas, so find a charger at Baker to charge up in 1 hour. During the wait, go get a meal! 3.Before we have such wonder charger, hope that biofuel can start mass production and be available soon. That will be the fastest relief, EV needs infrastructures like Gas Stations(Electric chargers) And even with PV systems, Biofuel can be the energy sources in cloudy/snowy days or at night times. Some time battery packs may not be charged up enough for the rainy days! And under 30-40 C, the current rigid type of solar modules is not going to work. All the best! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: The Versatile Engine
Has anybody tried to run one of those turbine cars made by chrysler on wvo? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Bio Lube on Honda Dio Update
Hi gang: My sister had just her Honda dio's fuel pump adjusted back to its original setting. Before bd, it used to die after a few seconds of idle. After bd, the things just wants to zoom away and have a roman holiday. I think it's the cleaning power of bd that is at work here. Still no leaks no problems. Best, Chris [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] The Versatile Engine
Pieter, How big is the engine you're building? The sterling engine is an external combustion engine. I read somewhere that some boats or yacht use this type of engine. Best, Chris =-Original Message- =From: Pieter Koole [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] =Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 4:35 AM =To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com =Subject: Re: [biofuel] The Versatile Engine = = =This engine allready exists ! =It is called Stirling Engine, which functions on different temperatures =only. =There are even small stirling engines that can run on the warmth of your =hand. =When you look on the internet, you can find lots of information about this =machine. =Right at this moment, I am trying to build one myself. =The principles are very easy, so if you know how to handle some tools, you =can build one. = =Met vriendelijke groeten, =Pieter Koole =Netherlands. = = =The information contained in this message (including attachments) is =confidential, and is intended for the addressee(s) =only. If you have received this message in error please delete it and =notify the originator immediately. The unauthorized use, disclosure, =copying or alteration of this message is strictly forbidden. We =will not be =liable for direct, special, indirect or =consequential damages arising from alteration of the contents of this =message by a third party or in case of electronic communications =as a result =of any virus being passed on. = = =- Original Message - =From: robert luis rabello [EMAIL PROTECTED] =To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com =Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 7:10 PM =Subject: Re: [biofuel] The Versatile Engine = = = = = Edward Mendoza wrote: = = Can this engine be designed? = = Can an engine be designed so that it can run on gasoline, diesel, = ethanol, = biodiesel, or veggie oil ? = = I think this is an excellent question. In theory, a combustion = engine can burn any fuel, but design parameters involve certain = compromises in order to accomodate the characteristics of a particular = fuel. What you would need for such an engine is variable compression, = fuel sensing and exceedingly precise fuel injection. While this could = be done, I'm not entirely confident that meeting emissions standards = would be very easy. = = = Will the engine need some minor, manual adjustments with removable = parts as needed? = Or can the versatile engine be designed from blueprints, at the = engineering stage, to run on any fuel without tinkering afterwards? = = The people at Saab have a variable compression ratio engine: = = = http://www.edmunds.com/news/innovations/articles/43027/article.html = = I think the same kind of thing could be done with variable valve = timing. Compression pressure is more significant than compression = ratio, and with computerized, electro-hydraulic valves this could be = accomplished without major changes to the bottom end of the engine. = Here's a link to such a set up: = = = http://www.mce-5.com/hmvt/hmvt.htm = = = Ford is using a more conventional approach in this, but unlike the = other links above, they have actually scheduled production of this = system for V 8 engines in their F 150 trucks: = = = =http://www.ford.com/en/innovation/engineFuelTechnology/variableCam =Timing.htm = = = = Also, a British company called Mayflower has prototyped a variable = compression ratio set up involving some interesting crankshaft = geometry. Their info can be found here: = = http://www.sae.org/automag/techbriefs/01-2002/page2.htm = = = A more radical approach is the free piston idea. Here's some info: = = http://www.iha.tut.fi/research/hfpe/moreinfoonHFPE.html = = I've been watching developments in the Alvar engine for some time, = and I really like this idea: = = http://www.alvar-engine.se/ = = In brief, there is a lot of development going on out there. Despite = all the hype about fuel cells, I think we'll be using combustion engines = for a very long time to come. An engine CAN be designed to burn = multiple fuels. Just watch. . . = = = robert luis rabello = The Edge of Justice = Adventure for Your Mind = http://www.1stbooks.com/bookview/9782 = = = = [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] = = = = Biofuel at Journey to Forever: = http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html = = Biofuels list archives: = http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel = = Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. = To unsubscribe, send an email to: = [EMAIL PROTECTED] = = Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to =http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ = = = = = = =Biofuel at Journey to Forever: =http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html = =Biofuels list archives: =http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel = =Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. =To unsubscribe, send an email to: =[EMAIL PROTECTED] = =Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ =
RE: [biofuel] Re: The Versatile Engine
Sterling engines are inherently multi-fuel compatible because it's an external combustion engine. Best, Chris =-Original Message- =From: the_maniacal_engineer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] =Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 12:07 AM =To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com =Subject: [biofuel] Re: The Versatile Engine = = =At some point fuel versatility may become important enough that =multi-fuel stirlings will be viable. = =--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Friedrich Friesinger =[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: = Hi Edward, = as i know from my german military service,the engine you talk about =exists already.if i'm not mistaken the german = manufacturer MAN produced it. = Fritz = - Original Message - = From: Edward Mendoza = To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com = Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 1:17 AM = Subject: [biofuel] The Versatile Engine = = = Can this engine be designed? = = Can an engine be designed so that it can run on gasoline, diesel, =ethanol, = biodiesel, or veggie oil ? =snip = But in the next thirty to fifty years we will inevitably be forced =away from = fossil fuels. Therefore, engines that are designed with the =versatility to = run on any renewable resource fuels will become crucial. = = = = = = =Biofuel at Journey to Forever: =http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html = =Biofuels list archives: =http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel = =Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. =To unsubscribe, send an email to: =[EMAIL PROTECTED] = =Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ = = Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] acid-base methods Re: Methanol Ethanol
Todd Can you expland that a little please? Mark --- Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Saturation. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: mark schofield [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 4:39 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] acid-base methods Re: Methanol Ethanol Hi Yes, I agree. H3PO4 Ortho-Phosphoric acid is limited to 85% conc because otherwise it can crystalise but I'm not sure how. Any ideas? Mark = Mark Schofield M.Sc B.Eng DHE AMIMechE t 07944 401662 e [EMAIL PROTECTED] Autogas Conversions and LPG Pumps Download Yahoo! Messenger now for a chance to win Live At Knebworth DVDs http://www.yahoo.co.uk/robbiewilliams Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ = Mark Schofield M.Sc B.Eng DHE AMIMechE t 07944 401662 e [EMAIL PROTECTED] Autogas Conversions and LPG Pumps Download Yahoo! Messenger now for a chance to win Live At Knebworth DVDs http://www.yahoo.co.uk/robbiewilliams Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] The Versatile Engine
The Sterling engine was invented about 150 years ago, and they have been around for a long time. However, it's not easy to build a good one. NASA spent a lot of money, more or less fruitlessly. There are simpler hot air engines (I have a patent on one) which will work on any heat source, including sunlight. Any heat engine is limited by the ratio of input and exhaust temperatures (absolute, of course), so thermal efficiency will be low. However, if the heat source is cheap enough, such engines can be practical. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Expert Pans Ethanol
Alan Petrillo wrote: We have: - Burned more fossil fuels than the energy content of the ethanol from corn; - Degraded and eroded soil on millions of acres; - Polluted surface and groundwater with nitrates, herbicides, pesticides, and ethanol waste; - Polluted air with CO, NOx , SO2 , VOC, etc. [Carbon-monoxide, Nitrous Oxide, Sulphur Dioxide, Volatile Organic Compounds, etc.] ; - Continued to waste billions [of dollars] of taxpayers' money; and - Devised a terrible solution of air quality problems. Take out the part about ethanol and nitrates/herbicides etc. and what do you think the rest is talking about? -- -- Martin Klingensmith http://infoarchive.net/ http://nnytech.net/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Expert Pans Ethanol
In a message dated 12/3/2003 2:28:58 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Sounds like he's been reading Pimento's stuff. The question is: is he right? The fact that he's a chemical engineer does not, in itself, suggest that he's wrong, does it? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Cruiseships and Toyotas
Hello Biofuelers, I wanted to update you all on some progress here in The Bahamas. First, we have passed ASTM again. I know it seems a bit nuts to pay for the test so close together, but our gov't officials required it for us to be able to sell any excess fuel that we process - and the first test came from a smaller version of our lab so they wanted a new sample. Govt here tells me they will be satisfied with annual testing hereafter. Fair enough I think. I have also liased with another cruiseline (Holland America) to build a biodiesel lab on a small cay that runs its own powerplants and diesel powered desalinization equipment. What I think is so great about this is not only that we will be tapping another source of waste oil formerly being incinerated or dumped with no benefit and real damage - but also that the cruiselines will be using the biofuel themselves. It is the cruiseline that operates the day-use resort for its cruiseships. I realize that this is not the same as a small village owned and run biofuel plant, but I think we can cheer for every gallon of WVO that gets burned for locomotion or electricity rather than just to be rid of it. I truly encourage all those in the proximity of cruiseship landings to explore the possibilities of getting thei WVO - regulations force them to change the oil often and our quality is very good. On another, very seperate, note. I own a 1993 Toyota Hilux diesel - running bioD of course. I want to bring it to the US, but they are not sold in the US. I understand that there are issues with emissions that are tough to get around, but that the real crux is the crash tests that the US requires and that doesn't happen on foreign vehicles not marketed there. Does anyone have any experience bringing a Hilux into the US? Any suggestions on what authorities I will need to talk with to try to get it cleared? Thanks and Regards to All, Jack ___ Jack Kenworthy Sustainable Systems Director The Cape Eleuthera Institute 242-359-7625 ph. 954-252-2224 fax www.islandschool.org [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Cruiseships and Toyotas
Federalizing a vehicle less than 25 years old is expensive, and can only be done by registered importers. Here are some links regarding the importation of vehicles. http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/rules/import/ http://www.customs.ustreas.gov/ImageCache/cgov/content/publications/impo rtingacar_2edoc/v1/importingacar.doc http://www.epa.gov/otaq/imports/factmtop.htm -BRAH -Original Message- From: Jack Kenworthy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 9:31 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] Cruiseships and Toyotas Hello Biofuelers, I wanted to update you all on some progress here in The Bahamas. First, we have passed ASTM again. I know it seems a bit nuts to pay for the test so close together, but our gov't officials required it for us to be able to sell any excess fuel that we process - and the first test came from a smaller version of our lab so they wanted a new sample. Govt here tells me they will be satisfied with annual testing hereafter. Fair enough I think. I have also liased with another cruiseline (Holland America) to build a biodiesel lab on a small cay that runs its own powerplants and diesel powered desalinization equipment. What I think is so great about this is not only that we will be tapping another source of waste oil formerly being incinerated or dumped with no benefit and real damage - but also that the cruiselines will be using the biofuel themselves. It is the cruiseline that operates the day-use resort for its cruiseships. I realize that this is not the same as a small village owned and run biofuel plant, but I think we can cheer for every gallon of WVO that gets burned for locomotion or electricity rather than just to be rid of it. I truly encourage all those in the proximity of cruiseship landings to explore the possibilities of getting thei WVO - regulations force them to change the oil often and our quality is very good. On another, very seperate, note. I own a 1993 Toyota Hilux diesel - running bioD of course. I want to bring it to the US, but they are not sold in the US. I understand that there are issues with emissions that are tough to get around, but that the real crux is the crash tests that the US requires and that doesn't happen on foreign vehicles not marketed there. Does anyone have any experience bringing a Hilux into the US? Any suggestions on what authorities I will need to talk with to try to get it cleared? Thanks and Regards to All, Jack ___ Jack Kenworthy Sustainable Systems Director The Cape Eleuthera Institute 242-359-7625 ph. 954-252-2224 fax www.islandschool.org [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT click here http://rd.yahoo.com/SIG=12c99b198/M=267637.4116732.5333197.1261774/D=eg roupweb/S=1705083269:HM/EXP=1070551701/A=1853618/R=0/*http:/www.netflix. com/Default?mqso=60178338partid=4116732 http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l?M=267637.4116732.5333197.1261774/D=egrou pmail/S=:HM/A=1853618/rand=694723267 Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Newbie biofueler...
I run a 99 F350 and a 64 ford 4000 tractor ( both diesels )on my small farm. I just recently reprogrammed the computer on my truck and increased the MPG by 6. I also recently found out about SVO and WVO systems and am looking into that for the truck. In my research of SVO systems I ran across info on making Bio-Diesel. I am very interested in building a processor and making my own. I have read a lot of the articles on the Journey to Forever site but some of the info seems a little dated. Is there a source of up to date plans, processes, etc. or is this it. Have there been any recent break troughs? I am very mechanically inclined so the building part won't be a problem but I like it to be as safe and efficient as possible. Thanks [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] BioDiesel in cold weather....
I live in southern Missouri and temps here get reach the teens and single digits during the winter. Mostly in the 20's and 30's. I have heard bio gells in the winter. What is being done to help in this area? Additives and such? I know they treat dino-diesel in the winter. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Multifuel diesel with heat pump
I started this discussion on wastewatts as a continuation of an other discussion and think that it could be interesting for the biofuel group also, if not more interesting. I would like to propose to the list that a diesel driven heat pump have an efficiency that is higher than any burner/boiler combination and if you use the heat from cooling the engine it is much higher. The application must of course be a low temperature one, like space heating etc. This is valid, even if you go from a diesel genset to an electrical driven heat pump. The reason why I think that it is interesting to discuss, is that I am looking at it from energy saving point of view. Co-generation is also an other interesting factor. Would be interesting with some input on this. Hakan Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Fwd: Re: [wastewatts] Re: Multifuel diesel with heat pump
Yes, most heat pumps that are sold in Europe are using piston compressors from industrial fridge and freezer applications. In fact, many of them comes from a factory in Lyon, France, that are the market leader on those compressors. They work fine and have a life span of 15 to 25 years. One advantage of using such a diesel unit, is that it is already possible with variable speed, which give clear efficiency advantages, compared with an AC driven unit, 20 to 30% less energy consumption. In this case it does not matter that much that they probably are over sized for what is needed for a medium size home. Often they have a 200 to 300 Watt generator on them for battery charging and if that one can be made bigger, you have a good charger for batteries and it can also be combined with solar/wind. They are often water cooled, which provides for a circuit for warm water production. Can be modified to run on biodiesel or modified to run directly on straight vegetable oil or well filtered waste vegetable oil. We should try to find manufacturers of those units, to see what is available and pricing. They have to be modified like the heat pumps, so they can have other types of primary and secondary circuits. A good used one, would be very valuable. Hakan At 16:41 03/12/2003, you wrote: How about one of the large diesel coolers from a refrigerated tractor trailer? A diesel engine runs a cooler (heat pump) that keeps the internal temp of the trailer below freezing. Should work in reverse too, as it has to get rid of its waste heat. And could be used as an air conditioner in the summer. Jimbo Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT http://rd.yahoo.com/SIG=12ca745jk/M=267637.4116732.5333197.1261774/D=egroupweb/S=1705016061:HM/EXP=1070560191/A=1853619/R=0/*http://www.netflix.com/Default?mqso=60178356partid=4116732 click here [] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/Yahoo! Terms of Service. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Two birds with one stone...
I heard a lecture about the possibility and limitations of space travel to Mars and one strong idea for surviving on the surface was to process the atmosphere (95% CO2) with hydrogen from earth to make methane and oxygen. (CO2 + 2xH2 -- CH4 + O2) How hard would it be to filter CO2 from the air here on Earth, provide methane for fuel and release O2 to curb or reduce global warming? Christian Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Where to buy acids...
I haven't had much luck with the archives finding basic information. Where does one go to buy 95-98% sulfuric acid or phosphoric acid without being a suspect of terrorism or drug manufacture. :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: Multifuel diesel with heat pump
Interestingly I checked in and find this the current topic. I was just browsing a website and plan to learn much more about the Ecopower CHP by Marathon Engine Systems of Wisconsin. http://marathonengine.com/cogeneration.html The engine is well proven technology and was originally adapted from diesel to propane - diesel versions of the new product will be available. Hope everyone is well, Tim The Ecopower Micro-CHP: Neat, Efficient and Easy to Maintain. Principle A Combined Heat and Power (CHP) unit basically produces electrical power with a combustion engine. The heat, which is normally lost in vehicles, for example, is recovered from the generator, engine and exhaust system and can be used for local heating purposes. Field of Application The ecopower micro-CHP is particularly designed as a unique heating and power source for today's single and multi-family homes. It can also be used to service larger buildings and small industry by installing multiple units. Engine The engine is a result of a collective research project for the development of a long lasting gas engine for heat pumps and combined heat and power applications. The engine is designed for a TBO (time between overhaul) of 40,000 hours and a service interval of 4,000 hours. Generator The permanent magnet generator is liquid cooled and maintenance free. Installation The Ecopower Micro-CHP is delivered ready for installation. Maintenance The Ecopower Micro-CHP is very easy to maintain. Service is only due every 4,000 hours or once per year. It includes only the change of oil, oil and air filters, spark plug, ignition cable and the emission adjustment. Further Developments The actual micro-CHP in its natural- and propanegas versions represent the basic model in a whole product range. Further developments will include stand-alone operation and emergency power capability as well as a diesel engine. Finally the use of renewable energy is also planned such as vegetable oil or biogas. Considerable ecological benefits, but amazing economical benefit can also be attained. Produced Energy natural gas version Single-family Home HEAT + HOT-WATER 24,000 kWh POWER 9,000 kWh TOTAL 33,000 kWh Consumed Energy OVERALL EFFICIENCY - 90% 36,670 kWh OPERATING HOURS @ LOAD FACTOR 60% 3,200 hours --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I started this discussion on wastewatts as a continuation of an other discussion and think that it could be interesting for the biofuel group also, if not more interesting. I would like to propose to the list that a diesel driven heat pump have an efficiency that is higher than any burner/boiler combination and if you use the heat from cooling the engine it is much higher. The application must of course be a low temperature one, like space heating etc. This is valid, even if you go from a diesel genset to an electrical driven heat pump. The reason why I think that it is interesting to discuss, is that I am looking at it from energy saving point of view. Co-generation is also an other interesting factor. Would be interesting with some input on this. Hakan Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Recipes welcome
Recipes welcome at the site Moonshine Making located at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Moonshine_Makers/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] EERE Network News -- 12/03/03
== EERE NETWORK NEWS -- December 3, 2003 A weekly newsletter from the U.S. Department of Energy's (DOE) Office of Energy Efficiency and Renewable Energy (EERE). http://www.eere.energy.gov/ == Featuring: *News and Events Coming Soon: Made With Renewable Energy Labels on Products Aeronaut's Goal: Around the World on Solar Power Seattle-Area Utility Pursues Wind Power, Energy Efficiency California Plant Begins Continuous Production of Biodiesel Canadian Company Continues to Advance BioOil Technology Two DOE-Funded Reports Show Promise for LED Lighting *Energy Connections EPA's Voluntary Programs Reduced Greenhouse Gases in 2002 *About this Newsletter -- NEWS AND EVENTS -- Coming Soon: Made With Renewable Energy Labels on Products The Center for Resource Solutions (CRS) -- the people that brought you the Green-e certification for green power products -- announced in early November that it will launch a new Made With Renewable Energy label for products in 2004. The label will feature the distinctive Green-e logo and will be available to companies that buy a significant amount of certified renewable energy for their buildings and factories. According to CRS, a number of companies have already applied for the label, including White Wave (a maker of soy milk products), the Interface Fabrics Group, Choice Organic Teas, and Lundberg Family Farms, a producer of rice. See the announcement on the Green-e Web site at: http://www.green-e.org/media_ed/made.html. This Thanksgiving, shoppers in much of the eastern United States had the opportunity to buy turkey that had been raised using 100 percent wind energy. Plainville Turkey Farms in New York State is buying its wind power from Community Energy, Inc. (CEI) and is now labeling six of its turkey products with the NewWind Energy logo. Consumers in the mid-Atlantic region can even shop at wind-powered groceries, since Whole Foods Market, Inc., is now buying wind power to meet 10 percent of the electricity needs at its 24 locations there. The company will buy six million kilowatt-hours of wind power each year from CEI. See the CEI press releases at: http://www.communityenergy.biz/cei_pr_turkeyfarm.html and http://www.communityenergy.biz/cei_pr_wholefoods.html. The Made With Renewable Energy label might eventually appear on a wide variety of products, thanks to a recent record purchase by the corporate members of the Green Power Market Development Group. Sterling Planet, Inc. announced in late November that it will provide a total of 795 million kilowatt-hours of renewable energy certificates over the next several years to select members of the group, including Alcoa Inc., Delphi Corporation, DuPont, Interface, Pitney Bowes, and Staples. Sterling Planet's Green America renewable energy certificates are Green-e certified. See the Sterling Planet press release at: http://www.sterlingplanet.com/sp/newsRelease27.jsp. Aeronaut's Goal: Around the World on Solar Power A team of aeronauts -- the first to circumnavigate the globe in a hot-air balloon without stopping -- now aims to repeat the feat in a solar-powered aircraft. Dr. Bertrand Piccard announced on Friday that he will team with Brian Jones, his former balloon co-pilot, and Andre Borschberg, an engineer and jet pilot, to accomplish the task. To develop a solar-powered airplane capable of flying continuously, the Piccard team will receive scientific assistance from the Swiss Federal Institute of Technology in Lausanne. A team of 30 experts from several departments of that institute has been investigating the feasibility of the solar-powered aircraft, called the Solar Impulse, since March. As envisioned by the team, the Solar Impulse aircraft will have an extremely long wingspan, advanced aerodynamics, and a revolutionary structure in order to capture and store sufficient solar energy during the day to be able to maintain itself in flight during the night. Piccard's plans call for the design and construction of a prototype aircraft over the next two years, followed by initial test flights in 2006. The team expects to achieve its first overnight flight in 2007, but they have not yet set a date for their flight around the world. See the Solar Impulse press release (a 140-kilobyte PDF file) and Web site at: http://www.solar-impulse.com/en/press.pdf and http://www.solar-impulse.com/en/index.php. The closest thing yet to the Solar Impulse was the Helios, an unmanned solar-powered aircraft developed by AeroVironment, Inc. for the National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA). The Helios was designed to use a fuel cell to maintain flight overnight, but it crashed in June
Re: [biofuel] Expert Pans Ethanol
Hi Alan Keith Addison wrote: SASKATOON, Sask.-Ethanol production from corn is a fossil-energy-losing proposition is the conclusion of Professor Tad Patzek who is a petroleum and chemical engineer at University of California, Berkeley. That petroleum and chemical engineer part ought to tell you all you need to know about this guy's report. I don't think such a label will necessarily tell much about the work. David Pimentel, for instance, is an agricultural ecologist at Cornell's Department of Entomology, Systematics and Ecology. Sounds like one of the good guys, eh? We have: - Burned more fossil fuels than the energy content of the ethanol from corn; - Degraded and eroded soil on millions of acres; - Polluted surface and groundwater with nitrates, herbicides, pesticides, and ethanol waste; - Polluted air with CO, NOx , SO2 , VOC, etc. [Carbon-monoxide, Nitrous Oxide, Sulphur Dioxide, Volatile Organic Compounds, etc.] ; - Continued to waste billions [of dollars] of taxpayers' money; and - Devised a terrible solution of air quality problems. Sounds like he's been reading Pimento's stuff. Yes he has. But Pimentel's stuff is spin - he uses outdated data and uses it wrongly, he's often been told that, but he continues to do it anyway. He also shows a convenient confusion or ignorance on quite a few issues that is very hard to believe. More here: http://journeytoforever.org/ethanol_energy.html Is ethanol energy-efficient? Patzek's definitely too enamoured of Pimentel, but he's not just parroting Pimentel, a lot of his data comes from the USDA. There's no evidence that he's spinning it. Unlike Pimentel's case, there's no reason to reject his findings just because he's anti-ethanol. He's not so much anti-ethanol as anti big, centralised ethanol production that relies on industrialised monocropping. It's a pity he doesn't seem to see the difference. I did say in my note to this article that as he studies sustainability he ought to know there are other ways of producing maize, and he doesn't seem to know that: It takes a lot of energy, fossil energy to produce corn. You have to use very energy intensive fertilizers. You have to use fuel to move machinery and to dry corn and transport it and so that's one cost in fossil fuel. That's just nonsense. But that's how these guys think, if that's quite the word, as Dave Shaw found at the Biocycle conference in MN he went to. http://archive.nnytech.net/sgroup/biofuel/30129/ Big, centralized, and anything else is below the radar. As I said, it has nothing to do with rational-scale ethanol or biofuels production. Or indeed crop production. It's been a long time since we - small-scalers, home-brewers and so on - felt we had to back biofuels, any biofuels. I'd said from the start that we weren't on the same side as ADM et al. So did Steve Spence. Then Mark articulated it all rather eloquently, just on a year ago - see her Homebrewer on a soapbox!, well worth a re-read: http://archive.nnytech.net/sgroup/BIOFUEL/18491/ I don't know if Patzek's got his numbers right or not - I doubt it's a very good study, it seems narrow, just a keyhole view of what the subject really covers. But I don't disagree with what he says about Big Corn and Big Ethanol, and about subsidies and billions in handouts. I'd really like to see a real study that takes in all the issues. Brazil didn't develop its ethanol program as the result of lobbying by ag commodities interest groups and agribusiness corporations, they had an energy plan. Perhaps Bush's so-called Energy Bill, or Energy Corporations Welfare Scheme or whatever, makes that much progress at least - a step towards ethanol and biodiesel being acknowledged as energy issues, not just agricultural commodity issues. Pity all it seems to have amounted to was to include a couple of ag commodity interest groups in the welfare arrangements. Anyway, I prised our still out of the corner where it was buried under piles of other junk, dusted it off a bit. It'll need more than a dusting off, but we'll get there, undeterred by either Pimento or this: - Burned more fossil fuels than the energy content of the ethanol from corn; - Degraded and eroded soil on millions of acres; - Polluted surface and groundwater with nitrates, herbicides, pesticides, and ethanol waste; - Polluted air with CO, NOx , SO2 , VOC, etc. [Carbon-monoxide, Nitrous Oxide, Sulphur Dioxide, Volatile Organic Compounds, etc.] ; - Continued to waste billions [of dollars] of taxpayers' money; and - Devised a terrible solution of air quality problems. I don't think we'll be doing any of those things. By the way, Alan, I meant to ask, did the sparrows ever come back? There were lots of sparrows everywhere here, then they all vanished, just when the farmers started spraying weedkillers on their rice crops. But they appeared again a few weeks ago, once the rice harvest was over. Not dumb. I was
Re: [biofuel] Bio Motor Oils
Chris Jude wrote: Hello, I've been reading information on plant based motor oils, and what I've found looks very promising. Is anyone familiar with AMG 2000, or any other of these oils? Are they available commercially at this time, or are they still in the testing phase? Any info would be great! We used to have a link to AMG 2000 at our site (JtF), but took it down quite a while ago. Their website, at http://www.agromgt.com/prod01.htm, seems to have been abandoned. Broken and empty links, and no updates for more than three years. People have written to them and got no response. Any news of what's become of them and of AMG 2000 would be welcome. Best wishes Keith Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: response to NBB request to support cloture
Hi Thor Did you ever get a response from Joe Jobe or the NBB about this? I wanted to say so at the time, I very much agree with you, I was pleased you wrote to them, excellent letter. Their latest Biodiesel Bulletin laments the fact that the Energy Bill was stalled: ASA and NBB Disappointed in Energy Bill Delay The American Soybean Association (ASA) and the National Biodiesel Board (NBB) today expressed their disappointment that final consideration of the Energy Bill was postponed until next year. http://www.biodiesel.org/resources/pressreleases/gen/20031125_Energy_B ill_Delay.pdf I lament the fact that the NBB seems to be so closed-minded - not only on issues such as this, but also regarding the way their message arrived, via their ludicrous http://nbb.grassroots.com/ effort. And rather too much else. I wonder if this grassroots stuff is the net result of World Energy's Graham Noyes trying to educate industry about the homebrew scene after he discovered here that we're far from the peril that'll destroy the market with sub-spec brew that he'd believed us to be, along with most of the industry. He said he would work for better cooperation between industry and the grassroots scene. Graham's first appearance was to solicit our support for the soy subsidies, and he was quite aghast when we refused to (he said we were anti-biofuels, LOL!). Well, he changed. During that episode I cited previous examples of industry's idea of cooperating with the grassroots, which never got any further than their than trying to coopt us in support of their interests, as Graham had tried to do, and as Joe Jobe just tried to do, and the NBB keeps trying to do. Four years ago a previous head of the NBB said this, in a message to someone else forwarded to me: Proponents of 'make-it-yourself' fuel are not looked upon as serious because there is no way to ensure consistent fuel quality. Of course, these groups can be very helpful when approaching government to demonstrate community-wide support. They still think that way it seems. The NBB still has the Perils of Homebrew article at its site: http://www.biodiesel.org/resources/reportsdatabase/reports/gen/2001040 1_gen-321.pdf But as we all know, the scare-stories about large quantities of sub-spec homebrew causing market disasters that industry had to clean up were just that, scare-mongering, without any basis in fact - Graham admitted he knew of no case of homebrew causing problems. And as we also all know it's sub-spec commercial brew that's been causing market disasters, in several cases, in the US and in Europe. It seems to be industry that can't find a way to ensure consistent fuel quality. I think it's the NBB that's anti-biofuels. Look at who they are: http://www.biodiesel.org/members/board/default.shtm Biodiesel.org - Board of Directors http://www.biodiesel.org/members/assoc/default.shtm Biodiesel.org - Members http://www.biodiesel.org/members/sponsors/ Biodiesel.org - Sponsors Soy, soy, soy, Monsanto, soy, BASF, Tyson, soy, Shell, soy... Plus ADM and Cargill swinging a lot of weight. These are not the interests that are going to lead the way to a glorious future of sustainable energy use, just Big Biofuels, agribusiness in drag, probably little better than Big Oil and maybe worse in some ways - they'll turn the whole world into a monocrop desert if they have their way. Agribusiness doesn't do anybody any good, it's not sustainable, it has no future. With its heavy dependence on fossil-fuel inputs it's hardly a departure from Big Oil anyway. Just substitution at best - and only B20, not B100. They're not the future, we are. Useful database though. Best Keith My response to the NBB's request to support the motion for cloture, to lift the senate filibuster on the energy bill. NBB's letter follows. Dear Mr. Jobe, As a long-time supporter and consumer of biodiesel, I would ask you, as Executive Director of the NBB, to look beyond the narrower interests of that organization to consider the broader ramifications for our country of the energy bill as whole. I fully support the biodiesel provisions in the bill (although I would prefer to see equal subsidies for virgin and non-virgin feedstocks), but there are many other provisions of the energy bill that are plainly going in the wrong direction in terms of long-term energy security, energy diversification, promotion of conservation measures, decentralization of production, and domestic energy independence. I understand that the NBB has a lot riding on this provision, and has worked hard for several years to achieve it. But there is every reason to think that these provisions would be an integral part of a better energy bill. After all, support for domestic biofuels has to be part of a sincere effort to reduce fossil fuel use, combat climate change, and promote domestic energy security. To ask NBB members to disregard their greater
[biofuel] Re: Multifuel diesel with heat pump
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Tim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Interestingly I checked in and find this the current topic. I was just browsing a website and plan to learn much more about the Ecopower CHP by Marathon Engine Systems of Wisconsin. http://marathonengine.com/cogeneration.html Wow, do you think it could be run on glycerine? Dave Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] acid-base methods Re: Methanol Ethanol
Mark, Expland? That's a new one. :-) chuckle. (Sorry. Shouldn't be at your expense.) Saturation is the point where dissolved solids come out of solution (crystalize). The fluid can only only keep them dissolved up to a point, depending upon temperature, pressure and, of course, the amount dissolved in it. Watching the crystals grow is great children's entertainment. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: mark schofield [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 7:19 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] acid-base methods Re: Methanol Ethanol Todd Can you expland that a little please? Mark --- Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Saturation. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: mark schofield [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 4:39 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] acid-base methods Re: Methanol Ethanol Hi Yes, I agree. H3PO4 Ortho-Phosphoric acid is limited to 85% conc because otherwise it can crystalise but I'm not sure how. Any ideas? Mark = Mark Schofield M.Sc B.Eng DHE AMIMechE t 07944 401662 e [EMAIL PROTECTED] Autogas Conversions and LPG Pumps Download Yahoo! Messenger now for a chance to win Live At Knebworth DVDs http://www.yahoo.co.uk/robbiewilliams Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ = Mark Schofield M.Sc B.Eng DHE AMIMechE t 07944 401662 e [EMAIL PROTECTED] Autogas Conversions and LPG Pumps Download Yahoo! Messenger now for a chance to win Live At Knebworth DVDs http://www.yahoo.co.uk/robbiewilliams Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Apology
Keith, Ken, Mark, List Members, I've realy botched this. Done a poor job comunicating and said some things I realy didn't know enough about to open my mouth. I am sorry. Dan Accepted Dan, thanks. Best wishes Keith Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
