[biofuel] Newbie

[Tom Ryan]

I'm new and ready to converse w/y'all.


-
Do you Yahoo!?
Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it!

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]



Biofuel at Journey to Forever:
http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html

Biofuels list archives:
http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel

Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address.
To unsubscribe, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 

Yahoo! Groups Links

To visit your group on the web, go to:
 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/

To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
 http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ 

Re: [biofuel] some do work

[rico suavae]

murdoch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:I'd love to know, also, if this one works (or 
doesn't) for anyone
here:

http://www.directhits.com/default.asp

Looks like it only applies to cars that use spark plugs.  I think it's
a bit pricey.  Years ago I lost money investing in the company, but
the technology itself and the guy behind it seem to persist.  The
testimonial page seems a bit convincing, though there aren't many from
the last year.


On Sat, 24 Jan 2004 19:14:31 EST, you wrote:

>I have tried two add-on gadgets that did not show any
>improvement.eagle-research.com has several things that i have not tried that 
>they claim enhances fuel
>economy,plus they are selling a brown's gas welding unit that i want to
>discuss with two pro welder friends of mine.   Back in '70,when i was buick 
>lead
>counter parts man we had a rich oil man customer who had a lot of vehicles.he
>had a '69 pontiac bonneville wagon with a 455 engine that got 11 mpg on
>interstate at 70 mph.He kept his "old" car and ordered a 70 model identical to 
>the
>69,picking it up as it got off the transport hauler.he drove it a few days and
>the fuel gauge barely moved.he was going to carry it back to the pontiac
>folks,but decided to pop the hood for a look-see first.he immediately brought 
>it down
>to us buick guys for a check out.Pontiac had let it get out of the plant with
>an experimental carb on it.we got a one gallon jug of gas plumbed to the fuel
>pump,six of us jumped in and hit i-20.the car got 36 mpg,we figered,as aposed
>to 11 mpg on identical cars.gm tried to get the unit back several different
>ways without sucess.there were several inventors back them promoting systems
>getting great gas mileage,but the establishment has bought them out or killed
>them as was done to a newman or newsom guy promoting an 80 mpg,large american 
>v8
>auto.happy hunting
>


i,

 i'm new to the group but have been around cars awhile.In answer to your 
question about the spark plugs the answer is maybe.Any car can benifit from 
alonger,hotter burning spark.However to get the maximum benifit you have to 
start tinkering with other settings such as timing,fuel curve and the like.The 
person to see the most increase would probably be someone who already is a 
conserviative driver.Someone like me would never see a milage increase due to 
the weight of my right foot.The mfg. will no doubt be able to proove a milage 
increase,but real world gains would be marginal at best.I could probably match 
or exceed their claims and increase my tire life to boot just by keeping my car 
tires inflated to 45psi.at all times.There are some winners out there,but these 
aren't them

rico



Biofuel at Journey to Forever:
http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html

Biofuels list archives:
http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel

Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address.
To unsubscribe, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 

 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-->
Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark
Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada.
http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511
http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM
-~->

Yahoo! Groups Links

To visit your group on the web, go to:
 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/

To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
 http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ 

Re: [biofuel] Mettler Gram-Matic Balance Questions

[Barry Chapman]

Maud said:
  So that's why I'm looking for operating instructions for the Mettler.

  Unfortunately, Mettler-Toledo 
  and Manuals Plus were less accommodating for this balance.
Maud,

I used a scale similar to the Mettler in my college chemistry class.  Have you 
tried the local colleges or the local high schools?  With the school budget's 
being cut, these intruments are likely to still be in use.  If not, maybe the 
more mature instructors can help you in how to use it.  Happy weighing.

Barry

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]



Biofuel at Journey to Forever:
http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html

Biofuels list archives:
http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel

Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address.
To unsubscribe, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 

 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-->
Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark
Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada.
http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511
http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM
-~->

Yahoo! Groups Links

To visit your group on the web, go to:
 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/

To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
 http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ 

Re: [biofuel] Fuel Saver Pro

[John Morris]

Hi Leo,
  I tried what must be a similar product a few years ago on my '96 Honda
Civic CX with about 150,000 miles on it at the time. After about six months
and 15,000 miles I found no change in mileage or power. The seller offered
a money back if I was not satisfied, but was nowhere to be found by the
time I had finished my tests.
  I found better improvement in mileage by switching from conventional to
synthetic motor oil. Nine months after I switched to Amsoil, I took a trip
from Vermont to Wyoming and recorded a 10-15% improvement in mileage. I'm
thinking about trying a bypass filter next to extend the drain interval.

Best,
John

>Hi Keith,
>I am new to this group and really enjoy learning about alternate fuels.
>I am wondering if anyone in this group has tried out this gadget?
>Thanks and have a wonderful weekend!
>Leo




Biofuel at Journey to Forever:
http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html

Biofuels list archives:
http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel

Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address.
To unsubscribe, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 

Yahoo! Groups Links

To visit your group on the web, go to:
 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/

To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
 http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ 

[biofuel] check manual about pan first

[MALONEKR]

Do not do anything until you know that the pan will come off without pulling 
engine.Remember that you have an oil pickup tube near bottom of pan and 
clearing rear main usually requires picking engine up aways in majority of 
cars.You 
could put a little diesel or bio in tank and drive it to clean up valve train 
and upper cylinders a little before changing,but that should be the limit.I f 
engine in good shape and you are using oil that does not sludge up,dont do 
anything but change oil and filter.Amsoil synthic may be best oil available.


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


Biofuel at Journey to Forever:
http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html

Biofuels list archives:
http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel

Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address.
To unsubscribe, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 

Yahoo! Groups Links

To visit your group on the web, go to:
 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/

To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
 http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ 

[biofuel] Fuel Saver Pro

[albert_kwong2]

There is lots of products out there claiming save fuel by 
25% from a
small gadget straped on the fuel line ..

I have tried and NOT worth nothing !!!  Its a magnet strap on to your
fuel line before the carb intake ..  Nothing improved , its a waste of
time ..  There is a company in US that have been calling us on this
product for more than a year , their way of getting your money is they
want you to be their distributor in the area , and to do that you have
to buy at least a dozen of every products at "high" price ..I try to
ask for free samples but were denied .. and they wont sell it to you
if you just want to buy one trial sample , you have to buy a dozen of
each !!  that is how they rip you off ... dont ever fall into that
trap .. I am sorry to say that this co still in biz ...it always comes
out with products named " X X Pro "  with fantastic claims and proofs
, its all phony .. 



Biofuel at Journey to Forever:
http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html

Biofuels list archives:
http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel

Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address.
To unsubscribe, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 

 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-->
Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark
Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada.
http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511
http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM
-~->

Yahoo! Groups Links

To visit your group on the web, go to:
 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/

To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
 http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ 

[biofuel] NBB fee structure discriminates against small producers

[girl mark]

(apologies for the crossposting..)

I looked at the NBB's fee structure a little more closely, and some 
interesting things came up. (where I looked was the 
www.me.iastate.edu/biodiesel 'online course', to be fair, rather than the 
NBB website)



We keep quoting a $5,000 fee plus a royalty on every gallon produced. This 
is incorrect.

The NBB fees are actually supposed to be the per-gallon royalty in it's 
entirety- and the $5,000 is an arbitrary minimum that they have set, 
regardless of how few gallons produced by a member. This is probably why 
most of the pilot plants I have heard about are 500,000 gallons per year- 
it's the minimum size at which paying your minimum NBB fees make sense.

The NBB membership fee structure is as follows:

0 gallons through 1 million gallons per year:
.01 cents per gallon produced, with a minimum $5,000 fee.  $5,000 at .01 
cents a gallon is what you'd pay if you made at least 500,000 gpy.

fees on the next 1,000,001, to 5 million gallons per year are lower, at 
.0075 cents per gallon (though you're also still paying the .01 cents rate 
on the first million gallons per year produced)

The next 5,000,001 - 10,000,000 gallons you make are charged a .005 cents 
per gallon rate in addition to the 0-1 million rate on your first million 
gallons and the 1-5 million rate on the next four million gallons

the next 10,000,001 gallons through 15,000,000 gallons per year that you 
make are assessed at an even lower rate of .0025 plus the other rates

and anything over 15 million gallons per year would be charged .001 cents 
per gallon on top of all the other fees.

(to put this into perspective, I believe most plants in the US are in the 
1-5 million per year range with a few bigger ones set to come online, and 
in Europe there are some 50 million gallon per year plants, and all of the 
US biodiesel sales for last year was under 35 million gallons)


So- I set off to look at the costs of my plant.

I operate a small ('research') facility that can easily make 200 gallons 
per day. If I operated a similarly tiny batch plant as a business 5 days a 
week with no down time, I would put out 52,000 gallons per year. Not very 
much fuel compared to some NBB members- but there is a good retail market 
here for it (we figured out that our local Naft Gas station sold 250 
gallons per day to passenger car users at one point, and I'm sure that 
there would be similar community support/a market for a small commercial 
operation run by someone within the community)

If I paid the NBB a .01 cents per gallon fee like all larger producers' 
fees are based on, I would be handing over $522 per year check, which would 
be absolutely no financial burden for a business my size.

But under the present NBB rules, I would instead have to give them 10 times 
as much money per gallon as any larger producers.

This is somewhat unfair as I'm certainly not receiving 10 times the 
services, and in fact I would probably be developing the local passenger 
car biodiesel users' market by simply running this business. 



Biofuel at Journey to Forever:
http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html

Biofuels list archives:
http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel

Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address.
To unsubscribe, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 

 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-->
Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark
Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada.
http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511
http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM
-~->

Yahoo! Groups Links

To visit your group on the web, go to:
 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/

To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
 http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ 

[biofuel] Rope curtains was: First aid for house owners.

[Hakan Falk]

MM,

I am glad that you found rope curtains interesting and wrote,

Ancient AC units or, humidity is more important.
http://energysavingnow.com/hvac/ropecurtains.shtml

and incorporated it in,

First aid for house owners.
Final draft, Jan. 2004.
http://www.energysavingnow.com/firstaid/


Hakan


At 03:57 24/01/2004, you wrote:
>On Sat, 24 Jan 2004 02:28:59 +0100, you wrote:
>
> >
> >MM,
> >
> >The best effect from shutters is if they are outside. Historically the are
> >very common in the south European countries and there they are historically
> >a massive window/door on the outside and opens out and locks against the
> >wall , the windows/glass doors are either sliding or opens to the inside.
> >The most commonly used today is shutters that rolls up in a box above the
> >window/door, I bought ones with electrical engine since that make a good
> >habit easier and it can also be programmable with a clock. The second best
> >is to have thin shutters between window glasses that is aluminium pieces
> >with variable angle. Excuse me, if I do not know the common name in
> >English, I am almost sure that they have special names.
> >
> >The next least efficient is aluminium shutters or extra curtains with
> >aluminium surfaces, placed on the inside of windows/doors. I think that all
> >can understand why. The least efficient is the common curtains, but they
> >still have a noticeable effect in interacting between the body and a
> >cold/hot surface. It is only between 50 to 100 years ago, when they still
> >had tapestry of textile on the inside of exterior walls, to manipulate and
> >achieve higher surface temperatures. In rich homes of course. Much
> >technology get forgotten or the original reason for them.
>[...]
> >I will stop here, otherwise you will be bored to death by my ranting.
> >
> >Hakan
>
>I think it's interesting, and I see no reason you shouldn't maintain
>it as part of your first aid page, or perhaps as an adjunct to that
>page.
>
>On the issue of the functional door shutters you describe above, I was
>wondering if they could be installed on the face of such a large glass
>expanse as I have, where the sliding glass doors must be about 7meters
>long and about 2 meters high.  When I think of a wood shutter, it's
>something a bit more modest.  But perhaps one of these motorized
>gadgets could be installed in a series, to cover the whole expanse.
>
>In my initial searches, the other green-building type sites didn't
>seem to do a good job in discussing window treatment type issues, so
>thanks for the help you've given.
>
>One interesting (too brief) discussion that I finally did find might
>interest you or others here:
>
>http://www.buildinggreen.com/elists/shades.cfm
>
>That discussion was interesting, but not too comprehensive, and pretty
>brief.
>
>I have to add something that has nothing to do with window treatments:
>
>http://www.nytimes.com/2004/01/20/science/space/20GEL.html?ex=1075179600&en=47b769c5dbc8bd9c&ei=5062&partner=GOOGLE
>
>This was sent to me by a friend the other day.  At first glance it
>might not seem relevant to your project, but check this out:
>
> >In the 1980's, Dr. Tsou and others began to work with the material. "It 
> has 14 Guinness Book of World Records-type properties," Dr. Tsou said. 
> "It's the lowest density of any solid, and it has the highest 
> thermoinsulation properties. Though it would be very expensive, you could 
> take a two- or three-bedroom house, insulate it with aerogel, and you 
> could heat the house with a candle. But eventually the house would become 
> too hot."
>
>Ok, so it doesn't meet your ready-for-use criteria, but it's pretty
>interesting, huh?
>
>MM
>
>
>Biofuel at Journey to Forever:
>http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html
>
>Biofuels list archives:
>http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel
>
>Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address.
>To unsubscribe, send an email to:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
>
>--
>Yahoo! Groups Links
>* To visit your group on the web, go to:
>* 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/
>*
>* To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
>* 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>
>*
>* Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the 
> Yahoo! Terms of Service.



Biofuel at Journey to Forever:
http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html

Biofuels list archives:
http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel

Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address.
To unsubscribe, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 

Yahoo! Groups Links

To visit your group on the web, go to:
 

Re: [biofuel] Fuel Saver Pro

[Qwarla]

>There is lots of products out there claiming save fuel by 25% from a
>small gadget straped on the fuel line ..

Do these 'strap-on' devices work?  The simple answer is an obvious NO.

Ask yourself these questions.  
If it was that simple to improve gas mileage, why haven't auto-manufacturers 
already included this device?
Why do they spend thousands of dollars to make new models comply with mileage 
and emission standards?
Subaru must have heard of these devices and would be easier to add to (forget 
the model), rather then have it changed to a commercial class vehicle.
If these products worked, I'd bet a weeks pay that they would have been bought 
up by the hungry oil companies long ago to be buried deep in that big dark 
room, never to see the light of day again, where all inventions go, that might 
harm their profit line.

As for testimonials, what do the laws of the land state?
In Australia there are no laws requiring truth in testimonials.  They are 
merely an individuals opinion.  You may have used brand  all your life and 
don't like brand XX at all.  But if I offer you 12 months free supply of brand 
XX in return for a good testimonial, what would you do?  State brand XX is the 
best product on the face of the earth?, because you are getting it free.  
Opinion is easily swayed when money is involved.


Regards,
Qwarla.



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]



Biofuel at Journey to Forever:
http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html

Biofuels list archives:
http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel

Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address.
To unsubscribe, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 

 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-->
Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark
Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada.
http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511
http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM
-~->

Yahoo! Groups Links

To visit your group on the web, go to:
 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/

To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
 http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ 

Re: [biofuel] Mettler Gram-Matic Balance Questions

[Maud Essen]

A local university tagged it for disposal, not because it didn't work 
but because it was old (according to my friend who scavenged it for 
me *before* it was hurled into a dumpster). You're right, Barry, that 
there might be someone there who would still know how to operate it. 
But I doubt anyone would know how to calibrate it as there is a 
sticker inside that says that Mettler last did this for them in 1995. 
After I learn how to calibrate it I hope it'll be easy to figure out 
how to operate it. Thanks! Maud

>Maud said:
>   So that's why I'm looking for operating instructions for the Mettler.
>
>   Unfortunately, Mettler-Toledo
>   and Manuals Plus were less accommodating for this balance.
>Maud,
>
>I used a scale similar to the Mettler in my college chemistry class. 
>Have you tried the local colleges or the local high schools?  With 
>the school budget's being cut, these intruments are likely to still 
>be in use.  If not, maybe the more mature instructors can help you 
>in how to use it.  Happy weighing.
>
>Barry




Biofuel at Journey to Forever:
http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html

Biofuels list archives:
http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel

Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address.
To unsubscribe, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 

Yahoo! Groups Links

To visit your group on the web, go to:
 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/

To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
 http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ 

Re: [biofuel] Michigan Biofuelers-CORRECTION

[TAMPAPING]

  MY WIFE IS FROM ADRAIN 
 SHE WENT TO ADRAIN HIIGH SCHOOL 
 HER MAIDEN NAME IS MESSERLY 


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]



Biofuel at Journey to Forever:
http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html

Biofuels list archives:
http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel

Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address.
To unsubscribe, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 

 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-->
Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark
Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada.
http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511
http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM
-~->

Yahoo! Groups Links

To visit your group on the web, go to:
 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/

To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
 http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ 

Re: [biofuel] Michigan Biofuelers

[TAMPAPING]

YES LET ME KNOW 
 I'M THE GUY WITH THE WIFE FROM ADRAIN 
 I LOVE TO TALK TO  YOU 


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]



Biofuel at Journey to Forever:
http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html

Biofuels list archives:
http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel

Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address.
To unsubscribe, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 

 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-->
Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark
Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada.
http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511
http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM
-~->

Yahoo! Groups Links

To visit your group on the web, go to:
 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/

To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
 http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ 

[biofuel] Re: Fuel from Pine roots?

[look4bryan]

This is my first post to the Group, hello everyone.  

I recall reading recently that Japanese aviation fuel in WWII was
alchohol, not gasoline.  Recall that one of the reasons they went to
war was because the US cut them off (in their view, I'm not a
historian) from oil supplies in Indonesia, so it is likely that Japan
was one of the early leaders in alternate fuels for reciprocating
engines.  So perhaps what they were making from pine was methanol or
ethanol, or from other wood products.

Be interested in finding out more about the subject though...

Bryan



Biofuel at Journey to Forever:
http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html

Biofuels list archives:
http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel

Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address.
To unsubscribe, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 

Yahoo! Groups Links

To visit your group on the web, go to:
 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/

To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
 http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ 

Re: [biofuel] Mettler Gram-Matic Balance Questions

[Dan Maker]

Alan Petrillo said:
> 
> > I have had the good fortune to scavenge a Mettler Gram-Matic Balance 
> > model B6 that apparently has a maximum capacity of 99.999g. As I am 
> > still in 2-liter or less experimental scale, its relatively small 
> > capacity is just fine for now. This is what it looks like:
> 
> The way you calibrate it is with standard weights.  Good luck finding a 
> set, though.

Weight sets can be found on eBay.  I haven't looked recently, but last
time I looked there were quite a number of them, some seemed made for
chemistry while others seemed aimed at the reloading market.

Dan
-- 
Jack of all trades, master of none.
Fiber Artist - Genealogist - Kilt Maker - Linux Geek - Piper - Woodworker
http://www.xmission.com/~redbeard

Biofuel at Journey to Forever:
http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html

Biofuels list archives:
http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel

Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address.
To unsubscribe, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 

 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-->
Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark
Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada.
http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511
http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM
-~->

Yahoo! Groups Links

To visit your group on the web, go to:
 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/

To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
 http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ 

[biofuel] Iowa Farmer Focus of Wind-Energy Debate

[murdoch]

http://www.npr.org/display_pages/features/feature_1617139.html

You have to click on "Morning Edition Audio".

Pursuant to what I've been saying as to the importance of implementing
some sort of better national net metering efforts.  

It looks like this guy has set up a wind mill and for six years has
been denied the right by his local utility (a co-op) to connect his
mill to the grid and sell his power back.  FERC, a Federal Agency, has
lined up behind him based on a 1978 law designed to promote renewable
energy, but so far this has not been enough.

Biofuel at Journey to Forever:
http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html

Biofuels list archives:
http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel

Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address.
To unsubscribe, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 

Yahoo! Groups Links

To visit your group on the web, go to:
 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/

To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
 http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ 

Re: [biofuel] Re: [evworld] Iowa Farmer Focus of Wind-Energy Debate

[robert luis rabello]

murdoch wrote:

>  On second thought, when I listen to it more closely, they seem to be
> offering the guy wholesale prices for his electricity, not the retail
> he wants (if I understood his points correctly).  The presentation is
> a little confusing.  At one point it seems to make the point they're
> offering him wholesale, but at another point he claims this would not
> make sufficient difference in his present bill (if they're offering
> wholesale, how could it not), nor would it amount to treating him the
> same as other suppliers (don't they get paid wholesale?)

The problem with "avoided cost", which is what the utilities are
generally willing to pay for small scale renewable electricity, is that
the owner of the renewable resource gets paid less for power he or she
generates (most often, "avoided cost" amounts to about a penny per kWh),
but the wind farmer has to pay retail when the wind isn't blowing.  In
other words, the utility makes a substantial profit whatever direction
the power is flowing.  This creates a situation in which the small scale
producer makes NO money on the equipment he has purchased and maintains,
making the RE equipment he has purchased with his own resources a
financial liability rather than an asset.

Utilities used to be publicly owned institutions that were allowed
to exist as monopolies because they served a vital function.  Further,
the infrastructure developed to move electricity around the country had
to be constructed and maintained.  Now, however, that infrastructure
exists.  You and I have paid for it over many years of utility bills,
but the recently deregulated utility industry acts as if the "grid"
exists because THEY paid for it!  All of the generation and transmission
capabilities were built on the backs of utility customers, often with
taxpayer financed bonds.  This was necessary in order to get the
industry up and running.

So, why can't RE producers benefit in the same manner?  Could it be
that the big, centralized utility companies see the widespread use of
renewable energy as a threat to their profit margins?  Is it possible
that, at least in the U.S., diversified and decentralized wind power in
the midwest, coupled with diversified and decentralized sunshine power
in the south and southwest might make traditional electricity generation
(or, at least, peak generation) unprofitable and obsolete?  What would
happen if the U.S. landscape ended up covered with thousands and
thousands of small wind turbines?  What would happen if suburban and
urban roofs were covered in photovoltaic cells?  What would happen if
small scale solar thermal eliminated the need for air conditioning?

Go back to the 1930's, when a similar situation existed, and learn
what happened to all the 32 volt Jacobs wind electric plants installed
throughout the midwest.

Home Power magazine has an extensive discussion of net metering
within its pages.  It's worth a read!


robert luis rabello
"The Edge of Justice"
Adventure for Your Mind
http://www.1stbooks.com/bookview/9782



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


Biofuel at Journey to Forever:
http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html

Biofuels list archives:
http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel

Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address.
To unsubscribe, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 

 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-->
Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark
Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada.
http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511
http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM
-~->

Yahoo! Groups Links

To visit your group on the web, go to:
 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/

To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
 http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ 

[biofuel] Re: [evworld] Iowa Farmer Focus of Wind-Energy Debate

[murdoch]

On second thought, when I listen to it more closely, they seem to be
offering the guy wholesale prices for his electricity, not the retail
he wants (if I understood his points correctly).  The presentation is
a little confusing.  At one point it seems to make the point they're
offering him wholesale, but at another point he claims this would not
make sufficient difference in his present bill (if they're offering
wholesale, how could it not), nor would it amount to treating him the
same as other suppliers (don't they get paid wholesale?)

Some might say offering wholesale prices is unfair, but I think it's
something.  I think, if I had any say in the matter, I'd vote for
"something in between wholesale and retail", but I was under the
mistaken impression at first that they weren't offering him anything.
Probably there are nuances to their offer that are not fair.  It seems
the more I speak to individual homeowners about their attempts to
resolve net metering issues, there is often or always a twist by the
local utility to make it sound like they're offering a great deal when
they're really not.

On Mon, 26 Jan 2004 09:11:33 -0800, you wrote:

>http://www.npr.org/display_pages/features/feature_1617139.html
>
>You have to click on "Morning Edition Audio".
>
>Pursuant to what I've been saying as to the importance of implementing
>some sort of better national net metering efforts.  
>
>It looks like this guy has set up a wind mill and for six years has
>been denied the right by his local utility (a co-op) to connect his
>mill to the grid and sell his power back.  FERC, a Federal Agency, has
>lined up behind him based on a 1978 law designed to promote renewable
>energy, but so far this has not been enough.
>
> 
>
>Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>To visit your group on the web, go to:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/evworld/
>
>To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ 
>
>


Biofuel at Journey to Forever:
http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html

Biofuels list archives:
http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel

Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address.
To unsubscribe, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 

Yahoo! Groups Links

To visit your group on the web, go to:
 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/

To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
 http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ 

[biofuel] minor correction to NBB fee structure post

[girl mark]

OOPS!
It got pointed out to me that I put a dollar sign in the wrong place in the 
NBB fee structure post, though I think it was fairly obvious what the real 
numbers should have been.

Everywhere I said something like:
.01 cents per gallon produced (one hundredth of a cent)

  it actually should have said
$.01 (ie one cent, not a fraction of a cent)


Mark

by the way this fee structure info comes from 
http://www.me.iastate.edu/biodiesel/Pages/biodiesel24.html



Biofuel at Journey to Forever:
http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html

Biofuels list archives:
http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel

Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address.
To unsubscribe, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 

Yahoo! Groups Links

To visit your group on the web, go to:
 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/

To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
 http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ 

RE: [biofuel] Re: [evworld] Iowa Farmer Focus of Wind-Energy Debate

[Bryan Brah]

I heard this story this morning and had mixed feelings about it.  While
I think it's important to support renewable energy, I feel like this
farmer is trying to take advantage of the law.  

 

We had a discussion on this board a couple of months ago about net
metering.  Net metering was a concept designed to help grid-connected
consumers with electricity generating equipment to eliminate their need
to have storage devices.  It was intended to allow unused surplus
electricity generated at point of use to be fed back on to the grid,
thus REDUCING the consumer's bill (i.e. energy used - energy generated =
NET).  It was never designed to allow consumers to become producers, or
to force utility companies to pay for electricity generated by
consumers.  

 

Even when working as intended the law requiring net metering is disliked
by utility companies and electric cooperatives because they lose the
difference in price between retail and wholesale.  Each kWh not bought
reduces their income.  They don't like net metering because it basically
means that they have to pay retail price for electricity (around 6 cents
per kWh) when the wholesale price is around 3 cents per kWh.  Likewise
utility companies feel like the government shouldn't tell them where to
buy their electricity. This farmer is gaming the law by installing a
turbine rated at three times his own need.  If a few other consumers
followed his lead, it would quickly bankrupt the utility.  Imagine a
system where the co-op has surplus electricity that it was forced to buy
at retail price, if they sell it all to consumers, then they break even,
but if they sell it to other co-ops or utility companies, they lose
money because they only get wholesale price when they sell it.  Even if
they sold it all, and broke even, they still would still lose because
they wouldn't have money to pay for line maintenance, repair, etc.   

 

To become a power producer requires federal and state licensing of your
facility, whereas anyone can put a solar panel or wind turbine on his
house.  What this farmer has basically done is set himself up as a
producer but sidestepped federal regulations by claiming to be a
"consumer" with the right to net meter.  This sets a very bad precedent.
What happens if another farmer in a very remote location decides to
install a wind farm on his property, but the interconnection
infrastructure isn't strong enough to support the power output of the
farm?  Would you require the utility company to spend millions to build
a substation and install new lines, even though it doesn't have
customers for that electricity?

 

The fact that the farmer refused the co-op's offer to install a second
meter on the turbine and buy the surplus electricity at wholesale should
tell you where this guy's motivations are.  His claim that his bill
would be the same even if the co-op bought his surplus is preposterous.


 

-BRAH

 

-Original Message-
From: murdoch [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, January 26, 2004 11:37 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [biofuel] Re: [evworld] Iowa Farmer Focus of Wind-Energy Debate

 

On second thought, when I listen to it more closely, they seem to be
offering the guy wholesale prices for his electricity, not the retail
he wants (if I understood his points correctly).  The presentation is
a little confusing.  At one point it seems to make the point they're
offering him wholesale, but at another point he claims this would not
make sufficient difference in his present bill (if they're offering
wholesale, how could it not), nor would it amount to treating him the
same as other suppliers (don't they get paid wholesale?)

Some might say offering wholesale prices is unfair, but I think it's
something.  I think, if I had any say in the matter, I'd vote for
"something in between wholesale and retail", but I was under the
mistaken impression at first that they weren't offering him anything.
Probably there are nuances to their offer that are not fair.  It seems
the more I speak to individual homeowners about their attempts to
resolve net metering issues, there is often or always a twist by the
local utility to make it sound like they're offering a great deal when
they're really not.

On Mon, 26 Jan 2004 09:11:33 -0800, you wrote:

>http://www.npr.org/display_pages/features/feature_1617139.html
>
>You have to click on "Morning Edition Audio".
>
>Pursuant to what I've been saying as to the importance of implementing
>some sort of better national net metering efforts.  
>
>It looks like this guy has set up a wind mill and for six years has
>been denied the right by his local utility (a co-op) to connect his
>mill to the grid and sell his power back.  FERC, a Federal Agency, has
>lined up behind him based on a 1978 law designed to promote renewable
>energy, but so far this has not been enough.
>
> 
>
>Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>To visit your group on the web, go to:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/evworld/
>
>To unsubscribe from this gro

Re: [biofuel] Mettler Gram-Matic Balance Questions

[DokDream]

In a message dated 1/26/04 11:41:16 AM Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

> A local university tagged it for disposal, not because it didn't work 
> but because it was old (according to my friend who scavenged it for 
> me *before* it was hurled into a dumpster). You're right, Barry, that 
> there might be someone there who would still know how to operate it. 
> But I doubt anyone would know how to calibrate it as there is a 
> sticker inside that says that Mettler last did this for them in 1995. 
> After I learn how to calibrate it I hope it'll be easy to figure out 
> how to operate it. Thanks! Maud
> 

I have one of the wonderful Mettler balances.  The instruction manual is not 
especially helpful for calibration.  It is a starting point, but you have to 
learn what to do yourself.  Thereafter, it is no problem.  You need a precise, 
one-gram weight.  I wasn't satisfied with the brass weights sold commercially 
so I went to a jewelry supply store and bought one gram of platinum.  This 
won't oxidize and is as close to one true gram as is possible.  Yes, you can 
use 
one milliliter of distilled water, too, but it won't necessarily be 
reproducible.  I keep the weight in a glass vial inside the top compartment of 
the 
balance and handle it only with tongs.  

There are two adjustments on the balance: zero and span.  You have to zero 
the balance unloaded, then add the weight and adjust the span to 1. gram.  
Next, add 1. gram to the beam and see that the indicator needle reads 
1..  If not, adjust the zero again.  Then respan it.  It is an iterative 
procedure.  

Importanly, be sure the knife edges are sharp.  You will not be accurate nor 
be able to properly calibrate the instrument if the agate edges have been 
damaged by careless users, or if the instrument was not properly locked prior 
to 
moving it.  If they are damaged, replace them.

Finally, be sure the balance is on a firm base, not prone to vibration if 
someone walks across the floor.  I used an old marble butcher table which was 
thoughtfully cut into three pieces for me:  two legs and a top.  

This balance is tops.  Keep it clean.  Do not abuse it and it will last your 
lifetime and beyond.

-- Jay Stern


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]



Biofuel at Journey to Forever:
http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html

Biofuels list archives:
http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel

Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address.
To unsubscribe, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 

Yahoo! Groups Links

To visit your group on the web, go to:
 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/

To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
 http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ 

Re: [biofuel] minor correction to NBB fee structure post

[Tilapia]

Mark, 

I didn't see the original post, where was it? But notice that there is an NBB 
minimum of $5000 per year for the royalty fee. This means that a small 
producer of, say, 100,000 gallons per year would pay five times the amount, 
5žper 
gallon. Guess what a producer of only 10,000 gallons a year pays? 

See you Saturday afternoon, I hope.

Tom Leue


In a message dated 1/26/04 3:52:24 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


> OOPS!
> It got pointed out to me that I put a dollar sign in the wrong place in the
> NBB fee structure post, though I think it was fairly obvious what the real
> numbers should have been.
> 
> Everywhere I said something like:
> .01 cents per gallon produced (one hundredth of a cent)
> 
> €žit actually should have said
> $.01 (ie one cent, not a fraction of a cent)
> 
> 
> Mark
> 
> 






-
Homestead Inc.
www.yellowbiodiesel.com



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]



Biofuel at Journey to Forever:
http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html

Biofuels list archives:
http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel

Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address.
To unsubscribe, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 

Yahoo! Groups Links

To visit your group on the web, go to:
 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/

To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
 http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ 

[biofuel] a different mileage improvement technique?

[murdoch]

Some of these quick "yea or nay" verdicts on various products, by
folks who have never used them, strike me as over-simplified.  

Even if I tried something once on my own car, I'm not sure I'd
conclude that my own experience with one single vehicle and fuel was
the last word on whether or not the product could make a contribution
to improved performance or mileage (which in my view are related sides
of the equation).

Unexpectedly, I ran across a fuel-saving technique on my own car this
past year.  I had some extensive work in my front brake area.
Unexpectedly, this seemed to result in a mileage improvement of about
3-5% (I went from about 28-29 to about 29-30.5 mpg).  I was confused
by this, and asked a mechanic about it, wondering if maybe it was just
an error in my perceptions, or a seasonal factor in the fuel or the
weather or a change in my recent driving or I-knew-not-what.  I do a
decent job of keeping track of each fillup, dividing and resetting the
trip odometer by the reported number of gallons.  

He posited that the repacking of the grease or other lubricants in
that area had contributed to the mileage improvement and that he
wasn't at all surprised.

I can't quite recall specifically which part it was, or what the
procedure was, or I'd pass that on.  But the basics seemed to be that
I reduced the rolling resistance and thereby slightly defineably
increased mileage.

Biofuel at Journey to Forever:
http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html

Biofuels list archives:
http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel

Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address.
To unsubscribe, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 

 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-->
Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark
Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada.
http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511
http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM
-~->

Yahoo! Groups Links

To visit your group on the web, go to:
 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/

To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
 http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ 

Re: [biofuels-biz] Re: Coconut and Palm Kernel Oil STD antagonists.

[Ken Gotberg]

Hi Enrico

Thanks for the info.  I’ve been looking for other
useful things that can be made from WVO and came
across the articles mentioned.  I’ve seen some
advertisements from people selling VCO claiming
anti-bacterial/viral activity due to lauric acid and
am curious about this.  VCO is a triglyceride where
the lauric is attached to glycerol and is not in free
form.   A figure in one of the articles cited shows a
bacterial cell before and after treatment with capric
acid/monocaprin and the claim is that the these
compounds disrupt the mitochondria inside the cell. 
My guess is that the smaller free molecules have a
better chance of crossing the cell membrane than the
bulky triglyceride?  Can you clarify this point i.e.
does the fatty acid have to be separated from glycerol
before it is effective? 

Thanks again and best regards,

Ken

--- blexdt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Lauric acid in unrefined coconut oil (virgin)is also
> a powerful agent 
> against STDs. VCO contains 47-50% lauric acid and is
> under research 
> right now for cure of AIDS.
> 
> regards,
> Enrico
> 
> --- In biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com, Ken Gotberg
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
> > Capric acid (C10:0) and monocaprin (capric
> > monoglyceride) have been found to be sexually
> > transmitted diseases antagonists. 
> > 
> > Coconut oil 4.5-to-9.7 % capric
> > Palm kernel oil 3.0-to-7.0% capric
> > 
> > Seminal papers:
> > 
> > In Vitro Susceptibilities of Neisseria gonorrhoeae
> to
> > Fatty Acids and Monoglycerides 
> > http://aac.asm.org/cgi/content/full/43/11/2790
> > 
> > In Vitro Killing of Candida albicans by Fatty
> Acids
> > and Monoglycerides 
> > http://aac.asm.org/cgi/content/full/45/11/3209
> > 
> > Best regards,
> > 
> > Ken
> > 
> > PS Sanrego is an Indonesian herbal Viagra that can
> be
> > used to further scientific research in this
> exciting
> > area.
> > 
> > 
> > __
> > Do you Yahoo!?
> > Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus"
> Sweepstakes
> > http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus
> 
> 
> 


__
Do you Yahoo!?
Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it!
http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/

Biofuels at Journey to Forever
http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html
List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech:
http://archive.nnytech.net/
Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. 

Yahoo! Groups Links

To visit your group on the web, go to:
 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuels-biz/

To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
 http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ 

[Burnveggies] NBB fee structure discriminates against small producers

[girl mark]

I looked at the NBB's fee structure a little more closely, and some 
interesting things came up. (where I looked was the 
www.me.iastate.edu/biodiesel 'online course', to be fair, rather than the 
NBB website)




We keep quoting a $5,000 fee plus a royalty on every gallon produced. This 
is incorrect.


The NBB fees are actually supposed to be the per-gallon royalty in it's 
entirety- and the $5,000 is an arbitrary minimum that they have set, 
regardless of how few gallons produced by a member. This is probably why 
most of the pilot plants I have heard about are 500,000 gallons per year- 
it's the minimum size at which paying your minimum NBB fees make sense.


The NBB membership fee structure is as follows:

0 gallons through 1 million gallons per year:
.01 cents per gallon produced, with a minimum $5,000 fee.  $5,000 at .01 
cents a gallon is what you'd pay if you made at least 500,000 gpy.


fees on the next 1,000,001, to 5 million gallons per year are lower, at 
.0075 cents per gallon (though you're also still paying the .01 cents rate 
on the first million gallons per year produced)


The next 5,000,001 - 10,000,000 gallons you make are charged a .005 cents 
per gallon rate in addition to the 0-1 million rate on your first million 
gallons and the 1-5 million rate on the next four million gallons


the next 10,000,001 gallons through 15,000,000 gallons per year that you 
make are assessed at an even lower rate of .0025 plus the other rates


and anything over 15 million gallons per year would be charged .001 cents 
per gallon on top of all the other fees.


(to put this into perspective, I believe most plants in the US are in the 
1-5 million per year range with a few bigger ones set to come online, and 
in Europe there are some 50 million gallon per year plants, and all of the 
US biodiesel sales for last year was under 35 million gallons)



So- I set off to look at the costs of my plant.

I operate a small ('research') facility that can easily make 200 gallons 
per day. If I operated a similarly tiny batch plant as a business 5 days a 
week with no down time, I would put out 52,000 gallons per year. Not very 
much fuel compared to some NBB members- but there is a good retail market 
here for it (we figured out that our local Naft Gas station sold 250 
gallons per day to passenger car users at one point, and I'm sure that 
there would be similar community support/a market for a small commercial 
operation run by someone within the community)


If I paid the NBB a .01 cents per gallon fee like all larger producers' 
fees are based on, I would be handing over $522 per year check, which would 
be absolutely no financial burden for a business my size.


But under the present NBB rules, I would instead have to give them 10 times 
as much money per gallon as any larger producers.


This is somewhat unfair as I'm certainly not receiving 10 times the 
services, and in fact I would probably be developing the local passenger 
car biodiesel users' market by simply running this business. 


___
Burnveggies mailing list
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://goblin.punk.net/mailman/listinfo/burnveggies

[biofuels-biz] minor correction to NBB fee structure post

[girl mark]

OOPS!
It got pointed out to me that I put a dollar sign in the wrong place in the 
NBB fee structure post, though I think it was fairly obvious what the real 
numbers should have been.

Everywhere I said something like:
.01 cents per gallon produced (one hundredth of a cent)

  it actually should have said
$.01 (ie one cent, not a fraction of a cent)


Mark

by the way this fee structure info comes from 
http://www.me.iastate.edu/biodiesel/Pages/biodiesel24.html



Biofuels at Journey to Forever
http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html
List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech:
http://archive.nnytech.net/
Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. 

 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-->
Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark
Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada.
http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511
http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/9bTolB/TM
-~->

Yahoo! Groups Links

To visit your group on the web, go to:
 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuels-biz/

To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
 http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/