Re: [Biofuel] Methanol Safety of Dispensing from 55 Gal. Drums tocarboy safely
snip By the way, How much does a 55 gallon drum of pure methanol cost in your area? Also, what is your area? ps(to the list) What does everyone else pay for their chemicals? Please include size of product and area of country(us) . Everyone else is not in the US, in fact most of them aren't. What's the point of asking this question anyway? Are you going to make a list and maintain it somewhere on the web, keeping it comprehensive and up to date? Keith Of course that would be a pain in however. If we setup a page on wikipedia.com off of the biodiesel page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biodiesel Maybe setup a Biodiesel Homebrew Supplies page, since anyone can edit a wikipedia page. kk ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Re: Bible, Koran Torah Thumping,
You make the choice. Don't look for a punch line. There isn't one. Read it anyway. My question to all of you is: Would you have made the same choice? At a fundraising dinner for a school that serves learning disabled children, the father of one of the students delivered a speech that would never be forgotten by all who attended. After extolling the school and its dedicated staff, he offered a question. When not interfered with by outside influences, everything nature does is done with perfection. Yet my son, Shay, cannot learn things as other children do. He cannot understand things as other children do. Where is the natural order of things in my son? The audience was stilled by the query. The father continued. I believe, that when a child like Shay comes into the world, an opportunity to realize true human nature presents itself, and it comes, in the way other people treat that child. Then he told the following story: Shay and his father had walked past a park where some boys Shay knew were playing baseball. Shay asked, Do you think they'll let me play? Shay's father knew that most of the boys would not want someone like Shay on their team, but the father also understood that if his son were allowed to play, it would give him a much-needed sense of belonging. Shay's father approached one of the boys on the field and asked if Shay could play. The boy looked around for guidance and, getting none, he took matters into his own hands and said, We're losing by six runs and the game is in the eighth inning. I guess he can be on our team and we'll try to put him in to bat in the ninth inning. In the bottom of the eighth inning, Shay's team scored a few runs but was still behind by three. In the top of the ninth inning, Shay put on a glove and played in the outfield. Even though no hits came his way, he was obviously ecstatic just to be in the game and on the field, grinning from ear to ear as his father waved to him from the stands. In the bottom of the ninth in! ning, Sh ay's team scored again. Now, with two outs and the bases loaded, the potential winning run was on base and Shay was scheduled to be next at bat. At this juncture, let Shay bat and give away their chance to win the game? Surprisingly, Shay was given the bat. Everyone knew that a hit was all but impossible 'cause Shay didn't even know how to hold the bat properly, much less connect with the ball. However, as Shay stepped up to the plate, the pitcher moved in a few steps to lob the ball in softly so Shay could at least be able to make contact. The first pitch came and Shay swung clumsily and missed. The pitcher again took a few steps forward to toss the ball softly towards Shay. As the pitch came in, Shay swung at the ball and hit a slow ground ball right back to the pitcher. The pitcher picked up the soft grounder and could have easily thrown the ball to the first baseman. Shay would have been out and that would have been the end of the game. Instead, the pitcher took the ball and turned and threw the ball on a high arc to right field, far beyond the reach of the first baseman. Everyone started yelling, Shay, run to first! Run to first! Never in his life had Shay ever made it to first base. He scampered down the baseline, wide-eyed and startled. Everyone yelled, Run to second, run to second! By the time Shay rounded first base, the right fielder had the ball. He could have thrown the ball to the second-baseman for the tag, but he understood the pitcher's intentions and intentionally threw the ball high and far over the third-baseman's head. Shay ran toward second base as the runners ahead of him deliriously circled the bases toward home. Shay reached second base, the opposing shortstop ran to him, turned him in the direction of third base, and shouted, Run to third! As Shay rounded third, the boys from both teams were screaming, Shay, run home! Shay ran to home, stepped on the plate, and was cheered as the hero who hit the grand slam and won the game for his team. That day, said the father softly with tears now rolling down his face, the boys from both teams helped bring a piece of true love and humanity into this world. AND, NOW A LITTLE FOOTNOTE TO THIS STORY: We all send thousands of jokes through the e-mail without a second thought, but when it comes to sending messages about life choices, people think twice about sharing. The crude, vulgar, and often obscene pass freely through cyberspace, but public discussion about decency is too often suppressed in our schools and workplaces. If you're thinking about forwarding this message, chances are that you're probably sorting out the people on your address list that aren't
[Biofuel] Philadelphia area source for biofuel?
Hi, Does anyone if there is a source of heating oil biofuel in the Philadelphia, PA area? Thanks ahead of time, Mike __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] A note that caught my eye.
While reading through the D.o E.'s Biomass Program page, I noticed a note at the top right section of the page. The note basically said that the technology on this page was no longer a research priority. Can someone please explain this too me? Does this mean that they are not interested in pursuing biodiesel? Finally, would I be way out of line in assuming that GWB, and his big oil buds, are behind this refocusing of their portfolio to something that is a little less directly competitive perhaps? http://www.eere.energy.gov/biomass/renewable_diesel.html Take care, Anti-Fossil ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Nuclear vs coal
statement that i still support nuclear power not as we use it now but in the idea of atomic energy in general. it will be our salvation was strictly based on the fact that for me, i beleave that we will acheive a sustained fusion reaction that can be used to produce energy. if this is a year, 10 years, 100 years or even 1000 years i dunno but being able to tap into what powers our stars and galaxies is the ultimate goal for any body interested in renewable energy. the birth and death of stars is the most natual (and common) conversions of mater and energy there is. i agree we are in trouble when it comes to energy and i wish it could be an easy answer. even with technologies now governments and people in power don't want to let go of there powerful companies they lobby for. even the public in general poopoo's the idea of renewable energy like its a taboo. you talk to some people about how you support renewable energy mentioning some key words like solar power or bio-diesel and they look at you like your a radical or anarchist trying to topple what they beleave in. the real first step in this fight is PR. - Original Message - From: Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2004 2:25 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Nuclear vs coal Zach, You are right, I should have used the expression finite fuel instead making the fossil coal rub of on nuclear. I often do this mistake, when talking about finite fuel reserves in general. It has nothing to do with the substance of what I said or the principle, but technically it is not fossils and the formation and from what, is pretty much unknown, but with some plausible theories of origin. If I do the same mistake again in the future, which is quite possible, you can correct me again. I guess that my posting was not understood or was unclear for you and hope that you now know what I wanted to say. The fact is that nuclear power is not going to be a salvation for the world, if you talk about fission. The odds for fusion are quite grim at the moment and nobody knows if it is going to be possible with positive energy production. Considering the time line between finished research and general application, fusion will not have much to save, if we ever can do it. So I like to ask you who we are, that knows and experimented so much that they can guarantee any results with sustainable fusion i.e. positive reaction without bigger energy input than output? I cannot understand those who wants to make all bets on the possibility and maybe sustainable use of fusion and hydrogen. Instead of starting to shift to many ready for use technologies that are available, which together have proven sustainability with substantial growth margins. Since we know that we can do the same thing we do today, but only with something between a third and a quarter of the energy we use today, it is enough renewable energy to bring the whole world to a higher standard or at least to the same as the developed countries have today. The only real abnormality is US and their almost criminal waste of energy. As it looks now, Bush kick started a spiraling rise of debt and trade deficit and a US bankruptcy might be the best chance for the rest of the world. US is at the moment in a self destruct mode and within four more years it might be irreversible. The pure existence of EU together with a democratic Russia, might also make the consequences of an US bankruptcy survivable, which was not a case only a few years ago. Hakan At 07:12 PM 11/11/2004, you wrote: Hakan, i never heard of a nuclear fossil, last i heard uranum was formed in supermasive super novas or posibly blackholes. nuclear powerplants only use radiactive material becaue the uranum isotope is so massive that its relitivly easy to nock off some chunks of the nucleus to start a fission reaction. and yes both aren't renewable in the sence that both crude oil and uranum don't have enless supplies. the fact is that nuclear power will be our salvation, botom line. the problem is that now we do it halfassed and our end result is an extreamly harmful substance. more reaserch needs to be put into the advances of nuclear power. the day we achive a sustained fusion reaction will be a landmark in world history. - Original Message - From: Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2004 5:45 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Nuclear vs coal Tomas, What kind of question is this? Produces, what do you mean? A nuclear power plant does not produce, it uses radioactive material, if I have not been misinformed. Both nuclear and coal are very dangerous fossil fuel applications and the fuel will be spent by both, neither are a renewable energy alternative. Both are going to be depleted and be used up and are a favorite energy sources by USA, who is using more than the rest of the world. Hakan At 11:11 AM
Re: [Biofuel] about God
In oreder to have a chicken one must then have to have a fertile egg right ? Ok, who insiminated the first egg? Ergo, Creation. The chicken came first. :) Peggy: God doesn't send you to hell or anywhere else, you, by your choices, good and bad, make that decision for yourself. Hense, the majesty of choice, your majesty that no one has the right to remove, and that God has specifically limited Himself not to interfere with, otherwise we would all be mindless zombies with no will and what could possibly be the point to that ? You are a free moral agent, and it is up to you to determine your fate. Best to do it with a solid foundation, or not, your choice. Luc - Original Message - From: Tim Ferguson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2004 9:23 AM Subject: RE: [Biofuel] about God Gabriel, You are obviously a profound thinker so I will pose a troubling question to you. Which cam first? The Chicken..or the Egg? Best wishes, Tim -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Gabriel Proulx Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 9:54 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Biofuel] about God I saw that some people are talking about God. I just want to express my point of view about God: it's total bullshit! It's told that God can create and do anything, as he wish. Following the logic of this statement, he could create a rock which is impossible to lift even for him because he can do anything he wants. But if he can't lift that rock, this mean he can't do anything he wants. Seems that we got a paradox here. Seems that the Bible is not telling the truth. Some peole will say: it's impossible to create a rock which is impossible to lift even God can't do that. That directly say that god can't do anything and that the Bible was not right. Don't it smell like bullshit? Think about that and tell me if paradox can be true. Stop wasting your life and energy in this ridiculous story. It's all about collecting beliver's money. Help the world evolve instead. __ ___ Gardez le contrle grce la protection contre les fentres pop-up articule sur la technologie brevete Microsoft SmartScreen http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=fr-capage=features/ popup Commencez ds maintenant profiter de tous les avantages de MSN Premium et obtenez les deux premiers mois GRATUITS*. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Fwd: Arctic thaw could open vast oil and gas region
Thought this article would be of interest --Kirk Arctic thaw could open vast oil and gas region 11 Nov 2004 15:00:50 GMT Source: Reuters By Alister Doyle, Environment Correspondent REYKJAVIK, Nov 12 (Reuters) - An accelerating thaw of the Arctic may open vast regions for oil and gas exploration but that brings worries of spills in the fragile environment, experts said on Thursday. Scientists behind an-eight nation report saying the Arctic sea ice could almost vanish in summer by 2100 because of global warming said offshore oil and gas operations would be easier but melting permafrost could destabilise installations on land. But oil companies are unconvinced. We can't say for sure whether Arctic operations will become easier or more difficult, said Mark Akhurst, climate change manager for BP, an observer at a scientists' conference in Reykjavik reviewing the Arctic report released on Monday. One of the big issues is ... great chunks of ice shifting around, he said. If warming creates areas where ice is far less stable then it's much more difficult to engineer. Oil and gas is already produced around the Arctic from Alaska to Norway. Big new projects include Russia's Shtokman natural gas field in the Barents Sea, one of the world's biggest with an estimated 3.3 trillion cubic metres of gas. As ice recedes, resources like oil and gas will generally be easier to reach, said Arne Instanes, a Norwegian scientist who wrote a chapter of the report on infrastructure in the region. Many environmentalists are opposed to exploration for new fossil fuels in the Arctic -- saying the burning of oil, gas and coal is already responsible for heat-trapping gases like carbon dioxide that are warming the planet. NEW TREATY We need a new Arctic treaty to regulate access to the Arctic, said Samantha Smith, head of the WWF global conservation group's Arctic Programme. The chill Alaskan environment has yet to recover from the 1989 Exxon Valdez spill. But Akhurst said world energy demand was likely to double or triple by 2050, and a shift to natural gas from dirtier oil or coal would help curb emissions. But even with oil at $50 a barrel, Arctic fields might cost too much. The Arctic report, by 250 scientists from the United States, Russia, Canada, Norway, Finland, Sweden, Denmark and Iceland, says temperatures in the Arctic are rising by twice the global average and could rise by another 4-7 Celsius (7-13 F) by 2100. The region is warming fast partly because dark ground and water, once exposed, soak up more heat than ice and snow. A four-day conference in Iceland is reviewing all aspects of the report which covered the impact of warming on everything from polar bears to indigenous people. Some estimates say 25 percent of the world's oil and gas reserves are in the Arctic, said Lars-Otto Reiersen, head of the Arctic Monitoring and Assessment Programme (AMAP). AMAP is heading a study, due in 2006, of how oil and gas may change the Arctic in the next decade. To get a benchmark of contaminants, it has taken samples of waters and sediments from places including Russia's Kara Sea to Newfoundland off Canada. Reiersen said that, if spilt, oil was hard to mop up in the Arctic. Spilt on ice, oil will stay frozen and when ice melts it comes out as fresh as when it went in, he said. Ice released in the spring thaw can damage plankton, birds or seals. On land, transport is likely to become harder because ice roads will be thawed longer, trapping vehicles in mud. And buildings and oil pipelines are vulnerable to destabilisation. There will also be problems for coastal erosion, said Instanes. Waves whipped up by storms are battering Arctic coasts that have long been protected by sheets of ice, meaning problems for building oil terminals or landfalls for pipelines. __ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] titration
Il faut brasser le tout, tout en mesurant le PH. Il est possible qu'il y a un residue parce que le tout n'est pas continuellement melanger. Ton 8.5 est le total ou seulement la titration qui doit ensuite etere ajouter a ta base de catalyste ? Ca, ca va faire beaucoup de chaux si il s'agit de 8.5 + 3.5 pour egaler 12gr/litre. Change ton fournisseur et surtout ne mange jamais rien chez celui la :) Meme un total de 8.5 tout compris est up peu elever a moin d'utiliser du KOH au lieu du NaOH comme catalyste. Luc - Original Message - From: Aline/Robert [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2004 1:13 AM Subject: [Biofuel] titration is it normal to have a precipitate at the bottom when approching 8.5ph? I use the better titration approach. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Biodiesel Vehicles make and year
1983 240D 4 speed manual 4 cylendar Mercedes Benz = B100 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Nuclear vs coal
producing far more energy than we could ever consume?! And wouldn't it be amazing if that reactor was at a safe distance from us all, yet it somehow transmitted its power output to us 24 hours a day? Wow! that would be handy now wouldn't it! Sorry guys, had to do it. :) -Rob ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] New list member question
Whahahah. Automatic ! Just ribbing you. - Original Message - From: Randall [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2004 2:39 PM Subject: [Biofuel] New list member question Any chances of people posting their experiences/suggestions to new list members that have bought specific diesels? This is not the first diesel that I have owned, but it is the first that I will have run non-dino. :-) I just bought a 1982 Mercedes 240D automatic--slow yes, but should be simple (I hope!). This is not going to be a daily driver--more of a test platform. Whahahah. Automatic ! Just ribbing you. Why not a daily driver ? Any tuning suggestions? Seals that need attention? Filter suggestions? Tuning, yes. Get a valve adjustment, it is required regular maintenance. Ahhh, the filters. Have you read my ongoing saga with the MB 240D's filters ? Mine is a 1983 4spd 4 cylendar manual. Before you get any further, pull the screen filter out of the fuel tank and inspect it 'cause that little beggar is going to clog up solid :) Actually you could just strip the screen part out and then install a second primary filter in the engine compartment and be prepared to change it often at first (until all the deposits get flushed). I just had the screen filter and fuel lines replaced so I don't really have to worry about that anymore but had I known about what it would entail I would have pulled it right off. Does anyone know if this model will do ok if I try SVO? Performance modifications? (snicker) Peerformance? Ha, what performance? Actually, it performs extremely well, it just doesn't do it very fast that's all. However, considering that that 67 HP is pulling around 3500lbs of metal it doesn't do too too poorly. Consider this. If for any reason your Benz gets scrapped by a rear end accident or somethig, God forbid, but it does happen, do you toss the car's engine, or turn it into a fantastic genset or one of the funkiest three wheeled motorcycles you have ever seen (both running on B100 of course)? Some have converted them, but mostly the 300D, to WVO/SVO use with a second tank system.Don't know the ins and outs of that one though. Luc Is there anyone on the list that lives in the Charlotte, NC area that can suggest good places for methanol and lye? Thanks in advance!! --Randall Van Engen ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Methanol Safety of Dispensing from 55 Gal. Drums tocarboy safely
into the carboy of HDPE2 category. Fittings can also be of PVC that hook to the drum. They sell drum holders for places like shops ect that use them for windshield washer fluid or antifreeze or motor oil ect. They can be set higher by placing the stand on blocks.Simple, cheap and safe. No metalic parts, no air exposure, no kaboom. Luc - Original Message - From: Kevin Shea [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2004 1:05 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Methanol Safety of Dispensing from 55 Gal. Drums tocarboy safely After 11 months of research of biodiesel and pondering methanol safety, I have not come across any recent scenarios of dispensing methanol from a 55 gal metal drum to a BD methoxide processor (carboy) with only one exception. (On Journey to Forever's site) One chap using a 55 gal poly drum of methanol with a special bung cap fitted with a tire valve plug /shaft. The listed method is from memory, but I believe it is ...Applying compressed air to the tire plug will create pressure within the drum to exhaust pressured output (methanol) or pump methanol to the methoxide container etc. To purchase a 55 gal. drum or drums of methanol is a vast saving compared to buying meth. in 5 gal pails here on the northeast coast of the US. Methanol is your most expensive raw material when it comes to biodiesel production. My first question is 1.) How to dispense the Methanol from a 55 gal drum to my carboy safely using approved drum equipment? Model number of hand pumps helps to include with reply!! etc.? How do you ground the drum? I can make a ground 55 gal drum clamp w/wire and ground it to the arth. -Solved Method of delivery? Not sure how the chap purchased the Methanol in a poly drum, or maybe he transferred it, since methanol should most likely be sold in a metal drums?. 2.)Question is: Can't find a rated 55 gal. drum pump (hand) to use for methanol that is explosive proof and is rated for methanol. Any help Thank you, Kevin Shea ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] New list member question
I have had great luck with 240Ds. I have converted a 1974 240D automatic to a dual tank WVO system. Runs great! I would not rob a bank in it, but would drive across the country any day. -Rob (Atlanta, GA) At 08:51 PM 11/11/2004, you wrote: Randall: Whahahah. Automatic ! Just ribbing you. - Original Message - From: Randall [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2004 2:39 PM Subject: [Biofuel] New list member question Any chances of people posting their experiences/suggestions to new list members that have bought specific diesels? This is not the first diesel that I have owned, but it is the first that I will have run non-dino. :-) I just bought a 1982 Mercedes 240D automatic--slow yes, but should be simple (I hope!). This is not going to be a daily driver--more of a test platform. Whahahah. Automatic ! Just ribbing you. Why not a daily driver ? Any tuning suggestions? Seals that need attention? Filter suggestions? Tuning, yes. Get a valve adjustment, it is required regular maintenance. Ahhh, the filters. Have you read my ongoing saga with the MB 240D's filters ? Mine is a 1983 4spd 4 cylendar manual. Before you get any further, pull the screen filter out of the fuel tank and inspect it 'cause that little beggar is going to clog up solid :) Actually you could just strip the screen part out and then install a second primary filter in the engine compartment and be prepared to change it often at first (until all the deposits get flushed). I just had the screen filter and fuel lines replaced so I don't really have to worry about that anymore but had I known about what it would entail I would have pulled it right off. Does anyone know if this model will do ok if I try SVO? Performance modifications? (snicker) Peerformance? Ha, what performance? Actually, it performs extremely well, it just doesn't do it very fast that's all. However, considering that that 67 HP is pulling around 3500lbs of metal it doesn't do too too poorly. Consider this. If for any reason your Benz gets scrapped by a rear end accident or somethig, God forbid, but it does happen, do you toss the car's engine, or turn it into a fantastic genset or one of the funkiest three wheeled motorcycles you have ever seen (both running on B100 of course)? Some have converted them, but mostly the 300D, to WVO/SVO use with a second tank system.Don't know the ins and outs of that one though. Luc Is there anyone on the list that lives in the Charlotte, NC area that can suggest good places for methanol and lye? Thanks in advance!! --Randall Van Engen ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Methanol Safety of Dispensing from 55 Gal. Drumsto carboy safely
is more complete so i am going to save it :) Luc - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2004 1:35 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Methanol Safety of Dispensing from 55 Gal. Drumsto carboy safely Drum in upright position: remove the small cap and fit a ball valve (preferably teflon inner husing) with a hose connector on the other side into the threads, sealing with teflon tape. Lay the drum flat on a stand (make of wood, or if enough skilled weld of steel tubes). Takes two quite strong chaps. Rotate the drum in suitable position (valve at bottom), attach hose to connector with hose clamp and ground drum. Put hose into carboy, open ball valve. After a few litres come out, flow stops, close ball valve, grab drum cap spanner, crack open the big cap and bleed some air in. Continue filling carboy. Once about 35 litres of meths is out, crack open big cap before transferring, close after finished (meths level is now lower than big cap). Cheap, safe. You should be able to get a ball valve and barbed hose connectors, hoses etc. at your home improvement store, just take a small cap with you for size reference. Cheers, Aleks After 11 months of research of biodiesel and pondering methanol safety, I have not come across any recent scenarios of dispensing methanol from a 55 gal metal drum to a BD methoxide processor (carboy) with only one exception. (On Journey to Forever's site) One chap using a 55 gal poly drum of methanol with a special bung cap fitted with a tire valve plug /shaft. The listed method is from memory, but I believe it is ...Applying compressed air to the tire plug will create pressure within the drum to exhaust pressured output (methanol) or pump methanol to the methoxide container etc. To purchase a 55 gal. drum or drums of methanol is a vast saving compared to buying meth. in 5 gal pails here on the northeast coast of the US. Methanol is your most expensive raw material when it comes to biodiesel production. My first question is 1.) How to dispense the Methanol from a 55 gal drum to my carboy safely using approved drum equipment? Model number of hand pumps helps to include with reply!! etc.? How do you ground the drum? I can make a ground 55 gal drum clamp w/wire and ground it to the earth. -Solved Method of delivery? Not sure how the chap purchased the Methanol in a poly drum, or maybe he transferred it, since methanol should most likely be sold in a metal drums?. 2.)Question is: Can't find a rated 55 gal. drum pump (hand) to use for methanol that is explosive proof and is rated for methanol. Any help Thank you, Kevin Shea ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] Nuclear vs coal
and all we had to do was make special suncatchers, flat pieces of silicon the most abundant mineral on the planet, which over time became all the shade structures for the plant nurseries. as more and more these roofs were applied and civilization grew, the people became energy independant and no longer needed global energy infrustructure. soon all covers that gained sunlight all day long became energy absorbtion coverings. and wars to support the oil and transportation systems became no more. and the new eden was built and a fathers temple created mel -Original Message- From: Robert Del Bueno [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thu 11/11/2004 7:45 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Nuclear vs coal Wouldn't it be great if somehow we had a huge nuclear reactor capable of producing far more energy than we could ever consume?! And wouldn't it be amazing if that reactor was at a safe distance from us all, yet it somehow transmitted its power output to us 24 hours a day? Wow! that would be handy now wouldn't it! Sorry guys, had to do it. :) -Rob ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Nuclear vs coal
Actually, water is the thermal moderator of choice for all operational commercial nuke plants in the US. The mass of the hydrogen atom in the water most closely approximates the mass of the fast neutron. Therefore more energy transfer per collision.(the billiard ball theory) jsh From: Greg Harbican [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Nuclear vs coal Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 11:09:01 -0700 Don't you mean heavy water reactor? Light water does nothing to promote fusion, because it does not slow down neutrons so that they will combine with other atoms. Greg H. - Original Message - From: Kirk McLoren [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2004 10:02 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Nuclear vs coal Thomas, the real reason for the promotion of nuclear power is so you can clad a light water reactor with U238 and form U239 which is easily separated by chemical action and has very modest shielding requirements making it quite useful as a military explosive. The amount of coal burned and hydro power displaced to obtain the original fuel is oft overlooked, just as the expense to taxpayers is. Utility companies get their fuel from the gvt for pennies on the dollar. Remember there are liars, there are damn liars and there are nuclear industry information people. There are lots of resources on the web to determine the real state of affairs. Get busy with your search engine. Kirk --- Tomas Juknevicius [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Hakan Falk wrote: Tomas, What kind of question is this? this was not supposed to be a trol question; sorry, if it sounded like so. What I wanted to find out, is this a hoax or not? Maybe someone has some real numbers to put out or a link to a research or article of some kind.. Produces, what do you mean? A nuclear power plant does not produce, it uses radioactive material, if I have not been misinformed. Okay, by saying produces I did mean that the plant produces the waste. So, the statement was that after producing the X kWh of electricity with the nuclear powerplant we are left with the Y1 kg amount of radioactive waste material (mostly concentrated in one place); On the other hand, if we produce the same X kWh of electricity with the coal-fired power plant we are left with the Y2 kg amount of radioactive waste material (dispersed through the smoke stack on a large area) And the guy on the other forum was stating, that the Y2 Y1 (nulcear power plant produces less radioactive waste than coal fired plant). This did surprise me, hence this question. Both nuclear and coal are very dangerous fossil fuel applications and the fuel will be spent by both, neither are a renewable energy alternative. Both are going to be depleted and be used up and are a favorite energy sources by USA, who is using more than the rest of the world. Hakan Yes, yes, I know that they are both dirty and dangerous. But never the less I am interested which one of these is less evil ;-) -- Tomas Juknevicius ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: Bible, Koran Torah Thumping, not to mention other general sheeple tricks was Re: [Biofuel] aboutGod
Hi Tim, Loved your message... Peggy I'm not well versed on the text of various religions or faiths because I am committed to my faith and its practices. Just because I believe in God doesn't mean that there is a God; it means that I believe that there is a God. A God in whom I believe created man in is own image and who God also gave a free will to either believe in him or to not believe in him. I think most people would agree that mankind possesses a free will regardless of how they exercise it. And from the text which guides my faith God is Love. Or for those who think primarily with the other side of the brain, God=Love. Love is to dwell in mankind and be shown one towards another. So with that said I can see why so many today are finding it hard to believe that God exist. So much focus is on the negatives and little is said of the positives. Religious beliefs are being forced onto society and that's not Love. It's goes against free will. Its not of God. Individuals must come to their own realization and experience with Love; of their own will. I can't force anyone to Love or accept my Love; that's against free will, and its not God. I can show Love towards all mankind and they can choose to accept it or not; that's free will, and its of God. Sharing the abundance of what I am blessed with, with my neighbors (of varying faiths) is showing Love, and proving that God does exist. And what if I'm wrong about God? What if all my beliefs that he exist are wrong? At the end of my life I would not have done any more than share Love and the Fruits of my labors with my neighbors. So I'm curious, is there any Love in your neighborhood? Best wishes, Tim -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of malcolm maclure Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2004 2:55 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Bible, Koran Torah Thumping,not to mention other general sheeple tricks was Re: [Biofuel] aboutGod Well said Todd!! I'm not religious, have nothing against people that are. I just think god, Darwin and all such contentious issues that people have a tendency to form distinct opinions on should kept them just as that - opinions. Not some sort of power to coerce others with differing thoughts to fall into line with them. It's no wonder with this level of mentality going around that the world is looking increasingly scary to those with clearer vision .may the omnipotent being be merciful. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Nuclear vs coal
Rob, It is not possible, but we have one who transmit on average 12 hours a day. The only thing we have to do is to manage the interfaces and storage devices. We already have many ready for use interfaces and natural storages, some that can be greatly improved and some new ideas can be developed. If we at the same time use the energy efficiently, it is possible to distribute energy enough for the whole world on an equal basis and with current average living standard for the developed countries. It is no reasons, not to start to work on it now. It is however some things that are called corporations and politicians hired by them, that are keeping to throw up road blocks and trying to monopolize nature. It is also hard work and for many boring, they prefer to have dreams of developing things that in one go, without work, provide a solution that can be implemented tomorrow. Hakan At 02:45 AM 11/12/2004, you wrote: Wouldn't it be great if somehow we had a huge nuclear reactor capable of producing far more energy than we could ever consume?! And wouldn't it be amazing if that reactor was at a safe distance from us all, yet it somehow transmitted its power output to us 24 hours a day? Wow! that would be handy now wouldn't it! Sorry guys, had to do it. :) -Rob ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Alternative Jet Fuel / Cetane Addative?
boosting HP and helps with freezing. Regards, JQ Cave Creek, Aridzona Greg Harbican wrote: Needs to have 2 critical things addressed to be viable: 1)Flows well at sub-zero temps. 2)A BTU value as high or higher than the fossil fuel, that is currently used. I don't know of any BioFuel with those qualities. Greg H. - Original Message - From: Jeremy Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2004 09:50 Subject: [Biofuel] Alternative Jet Fuel Does anyone know of any alternative or bio jet or plane fuel? _ Don't just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] Methanol Safety of Dispensing from 55 Gal. Drums tocarboy safely
Thanks to all who replied with their local prices. jsh From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Methanol Safety of Dispensing from 55 Gal. Drums tocarboy safely Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 04:34:30 +0900 snip By the way, How much does a 55 gallon drum of pure methanol cost in your area? Also, what is your area? ps(to the list) What does everyone else pay for their chemicals? Please include size of product and area of country(us) . Everyone else is not in the US, in fact most of them aren't. What's the point of asking this question anyway? Are you going to make a list and maintain it somewhere on the web, keeping it comprehensive and up to date? Keith Jonathan From: Kevin Shea [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Biofuel] Methanol Safety of Dispensing from 55 Gal. Drums tocarboy safely Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 01:05:34 -0500 After 11 months of research of biodiesel and pondering methanol safety, I have not come across any recent scenarios of dispensing methanol from a 55 gal metal drum to a BD methoxide processor (carboy) with only one exception. (On Journey to Forever's site) One chap using a 55 gal poly drum of methanol with a special bung cap fitted with a tire valve plug /shaft. snip ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Nuclear vs coal
At 09:20 PM 11/11/2004, you wrote: Rob, It is not possible, but we have one who transmit on average 12 hours a day. The only thing we have to do is to manage the interfaces and storage devices. We already have many ready for use interfaces and natural storages, some that can be greatly improved and some new ideas can be developed. If we at the same time use the energy efficiently, it is possible to distribute energy enough for the whole world on an equal basis and with current average living standard for the developed countries. It is no reasons, not to start to work on it now. It is however some things that are called corporations and politicians hired by them, that are keeping to throw up road blocks and trying to monopolize nature. It is also hard work and for many boring, they prefer to have dreams of developing things that in one go, without work, provide a solution that can be implemented tomorrow. Hakan At 02:45 AM 11/12/2004, you wrote: Wouldn't it be great if somehow we had a huge nuclear reactor capable of producing far more energy than we could ever consume?! And wouldn't it be amazing if that reactor was at a safe distance from us all, yet it somehow transmitted its power output to us 24 hours a day? Wow! that would be handy now wouldn't it! Sorry guys, had to do it. :) -Rob ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] Nuclear vs coal
Hello theoretical debaters, A classic statement about the physicality of the world in the purest sense states simply and explicitly: All the power that ever was or ever will be is here now. Well, my friends, it's up to us to figure out how to best use it in behalf of the whole. Each one of us individually will create a reality in which we experience the world. Thank you for doing your best to create a world that benefits yourself and others simultaneously. The entire world is a wonderful laboratory, playground, life adventure, and more. If each individual will do his/ her best to do what is right in their own universal knowing, we can achieve a new golden age. Weaning the energy junkies from their energy fixes has solutions... and we can contribute to those solutions including suppression of gluttonous habits. Visualization and implementation of solutions are better than harping on negativity. Now I have a sad note to make known. A person who has been active in forwarding biofuels for over thirty years is terminally ill and will not be with us much longer. Although some people did not know or understand his human endeavors or application of merging saving the world with supporting the self, we must forgive the past and acknowledge the best. I will miss Robert Warren. I am copying his farewell message below. We wish a safe and peaceful journey for Robert. And at this time he can still communicate with friends who wish him well. Fortunately, I briefly met a sincere man who spoke in behalf of individual self sufficiency, earth friendly practices, and doing what he felt was good for the world. Love and light, Peggy Hello, Sorry if I've been out of touch for a while, but I'm writing now because you've been a major friend or beloved family member in my life. I'm just letting you know that I'm in poor health with Stage IV Cancer. I'm presently living in London, UK with my wife. I've lived in London for four years, working as a solar engineer. So I am provided for with National Health Service, which takes very good care of me. I have been unsuccessfully treated with chemotherapy. Unfortunately, it looks as if my illness is terminal. I'm very weak and not able to do much in the way of email... Robert Jonathan, Look at an other posting were I explained that real term is finite fuel resources. Regarding production of nuclear energy in nuclear resp. coal plants, I still say that what I said and what you are saying is pollution, not production. That was about so many misconceptions. Regarding wasteful use of finite fuels, it has to stop in the whole world. US is very bad on this. US.bad implies on that I said more than I did. Your reaction here is a little childish and BS, because you say I am doing a bad thing, you say that I am bad. I am very sorry that you did not understand what I said, I try to be clearer i the future. Until now and with you, 0.5 promille of the list have proved and complained, about that they did not understand what I said. I am very sorry. Hakan At 06:16 PM 11/11/2004, you wrote: Hakan- ...so many misconceptions, so little time. Nuclear plants DO produce radioactive material...internally some of the metals, exposed to high alpha, gamma and neutron radiation become radioactive themselves. Yet those materials are sequestered within the plant in very large very deep pools of water.(spent fuel pool) They are so radioactive that they can never be released.(some have halflives of thousands of years) Also Hakan, although they both start with the letter f, fission fuel and fossil fuel are not the same. I can see where you might have been confused. Hope this helps clear up any misconceptions and may help slow down that knee-jerk reaction.(nuclear-bad...coal-bad...usa-bad) Thomas- I think the term most associated with what you are talking about is BRC materials. Small amounts of only slightly radioactive materials can be classified by industry as Below Radiological Concern.(BRC) These small amounts are processed as normal waste. They are produced in almost all mining operations, almost all paint manufacturing facilities(Left overs from the titanium oxide purification) etc. The problem with the classification is this...small amounts in small concentrations over a large number of plants for a long period of time results in a lot of radioactive material. Luckily, the producers are not all in one place sending their waste to the same landfill. --There is no concentration or buildup from numerous facilities in one place. Think of it this way... There is a small fraction of iodine found in nature that is radioactive.(very small fraction) When processing table salt into iodized salt, some of that radioactive iodine is used. This is so small an amount that it is considered BRC. Now I'm not trying to start a salt scare, but if you were to check your table salt with a geiger counter set at it's most sensitive setting...you would ger a reading
RE: [Biofuel] Nuclear vs coal
Well Kirk, There are nuclear scientists that believe that their science can apply to the good of the world. And that IS their belief!!! One nuclear scientist that I know thinks that with adequate shielding it is possible to pass water, food, disposables, and all kinds of useful items through an irradiator and come up with VERY GOOD products to make the world a better place to live, thereby utilizing the nuclear waste. His theories include taking waste radioactive material and encapsulating it into safe facilities by using modules that can BENEFIT the world. It is not propaganda. It is his belief. And he has written many scientific articles to state this. Doing homework includes literary reviews in university archives. And I am neither supporting nor denouncing the nuclear practices. I will say that I don't need them. Now, if you want infection free disposable diapers, cotton swabs without microbes, and sterile medical supplies, then you will most likely be using irradiated products. (Personally, I washed all my babies' diapers and hung them in the sun to dry.) The point is that claiming that the grand conspiracy of them is not a reality. The people that believe in what they believe in need to better understand the consequences of their actions. Misguided they may be. Conspirators, they are not. Do you personally understand atomic energy? There is much to be learned and new and novel applications may or may not be beneficial. To wholesale discount all practices can be as narrow-minded as a religious zealot. Now, with your understanding of detrimental ramifications, you can make an informed decision as to a different alternative. I don't need the nukes. Now convince the gluttonous populace that they can live a comfortable life by an alternative method. If we do not offer alternatives, we are not solving concerns. The real problem is numbers of human consumers. Offer an alternative for food and lodging and you will be doing a great service. Best wishes, Peggy Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Nuclear vs coal The nukesters routinely indulge in deception to promote their industry. The pollution associated with the nuclear fuel cycle is spun like stories regarding a president who didn't think a blowjob was sex. I don't think any reasonable person would believe it just like the nuclear industry rubbish. Thomas, the real reason for the promotion of nuclear power is so you can clad a light water reactor with U238 and form U239 which is easily separated by chemical action and has very modest shielding requirements making it quite useful as a military explosive. The amount of coal burned and hydro power displaced to obtain the original fuel is oft overlooked, just as the expense to taxpayers is. Utility companies get their fuel from the gvt for pennies on the dollar. Remember there are liars, there are damn liars and there are nuclear industry information people. There are lots of resources on the web to determine the real state of affairs. Get busy with your search engine. Kirk --- Tomas Juknevicius [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Hakan Falk wrote: Tomas, What kind of question is this? this was not supposed to be a trol question; sorry, if it sounded like so. What I wanted to find out, is this a hoax or not? Maybe someone has some real numbers to put out or a link to a research or article of some kind.. Produces, what do you mean? A nuclear power plant does not produce, it uses radioactive material, if I have not been misinformed. Okay, by saying produces I did mean that the plant produces the waste. So, the statement was that after producing the X kWh of electricity with the nuclear powerplant we are left with the Y1 kg amount of radioactive waste material (mostly concentrated in one place); On the other hand, if we produce the same X kWh of electricity with the coal-fired power plant we are left with the Y2 kg amount of radioactive waste material (dispersed through the smoke stack on a large area) And the guy on the other forum was stating, that the Y2 Y1 (nulcear power plant produces less radioactive waste than coal fired plant). This did surprise me, hence this question. Both nuclear and coal are very dangerous fossil fuel applications and the fuel will be spent by both, neither are a renewable energy alternative. Both are going to be depleted and be used up and are a favorite energy sources by USA, who is using more than the rest of the world. Hakan Yes, yes, I know that they are both dirty and dangerous. But never the less I am interested which one of these is less evil ;-) -- Tomas Juknevicius ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable):
Re: Bible, Koran Torah Thumping, not to mention other general sheeple tricks was Re: [Biofuel] about God
What? I have personally conducted experiments, verifiably and reproducibly (as have countless others) that transform one kind of living thing into another. Really? The examples you have cited consist of variations on a theme. A fruit fly is still a fruit fly. A virus remains a virus. Different characteristics within the basic form of creature can certainly be expressed, and no one who is serious about biology would dispute that micro evolution occurs on a daily basis. (But again, variability within the genotype must already exist, and the vast majority of mutations harm, rather than help, the affected creature.) However, we observe in nature that only living things produce living things. No serious biologist believes in spontaneous generation. The fossil record indicates that for a little over 3 billion years, all life on earth consisted of single celled organisms. Nobody can adequately explain how these life forms came to be. Ediacaran fauna (these are globular life forms, for those not familiar with the term) show up 650 million years ago, and then, quite suddenly (with no hint of change in older fossils) the Cambrian explosion reveals all the basic anatomical life forms that we know in the oceans today. Believing that this change occurred by the mechanism of mutagenesis in only 120 million years (the difference in time between the appearance of ediacaran fauna and the Cambrian period) requires a great deal of faith to believe. The Ames assay depends on the conversion of a histidine dependent strain of Salmonella to non-dependence via mutagenesis. Undergraduates in genetics courses routinely manipulate the genome of fruit flies. No end of new kinds of critters, up to and including mammals, are available on a daily basis via directed mutagenesis. So you can change a mammal into a different kind of thing? Can you change an amphibian into a reptile, or a reptile into a bird? Even if this was possible, directed mutagenesis requires a certain amount of intelligence to manipulate the genome. It is not a random process that is observed in nature. Even without human intervention, viruses are constantly dragging bits of DNA from one organism to another. New flu vaccines are needed on an annual basis because the viruses have mutated. But the viruses remain viruses, do they not? As to origins, I prefer Occam's razor. It is a lot easier for me to imagine thermodynamics for origins than belief in supernatural voodoo. Thermodynamics does not explain the origin of life. No experiment has ever successfully reproduced a living thing from something non living. Do you dispute this? robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind http://www.authorhouse.com/BookStore/ItemDetail.aspx?bookid=9782 Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] Nuclear vs coal
Hi Mel, Good start on a solution. Thanks, P. Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Nuclear vs coal and all we had to do was make special suncatchers, flat pieces of silicon the most abundant mineral on the planet, which over time became all the shade structures for the plant nurseries. as more and more these roofs were applied and civilization grew, the people became energy independant and no longer needed global energy infrustructure. soon all covers that gained sunlight all day long became energy absorbtion coverings. and wars to support the oil and transportation systems became no more. and the new eden was built and a fathers temple created mel -Original Message- From: Robert Del Bueno [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thu 11/11/2004 7:45 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Nuclear vs coal Wouldn't it be great if somehow we had a huge nuclear reactor capable of producing far more energy than we could ever consume?! And wouldn't it be amazing if that reactor was at a safe distance from us all, yet it somehow transmitted its power output to us 24 hours a day? Wow! that would be handy now wouldn't it! Sorry guys, had to do it. :) -Rob ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: Bible, Koran Torah Thumping, not to mention other general sheeple tricks was Re: [Biofuel] about God
Robert, I didn't say that any supposed diety should be subjected to any chemical tests or an MRI to substantiate existance. All I said was that proof of existance should be offered. And after several hundred million years, one would think that proof would be abundant. Perhaps I've communicated my thought poorly. The proof of God's existence absolutely depends on how an individual views the evidence. All of us bring a set of assumptions into our examination of the world we observe, as you rightly point out. What I may cite as evidence, you may dismiss by offering a different explanation. For example, I had a very hard time accepting the evidence for the evolution of humans, when the divergence of the human branch from that which later produced simian apes occurred only a few million years ago. The number of changes necessary for the 2% difference between our genome and that of chimpanzees to occur by the mechanism of mutagenesis in that short time, staggers my imagination. It would be like winning the lottery every day, for millions of years. (This was a primal motivator in the development of Christianity, in my case.) Other people, however, see no tension in this. What I view as evidence of God's creative power, another person may readily accept as evidence for evolution. In fact, both perspectives require faith. You are reading words on a screen that bring understanding to your mind. The fact that you can do this is a mystical capability, as the grapheme / phoneme relationships we associate with words have no intrinsic meaning. How did this ability develop? No one has a satisfactory explanation. It may as well be a miracle, because the genome that enables your intellect to comprehend my writing existed many thousands of years before you and I had a need to engage in this conversation. To me, this is evidence of God's creative power. It's likely that you have a more mundane view, and that's ok. snip I think George Burns walking through Times Square tomorrow at noon would be sufficient proof. Turning lead into gold might take a close second. Walking on water a reasonable third, levitating and tight aerial acrobatics on the head of a pin a close runner-up. You can't offer any proof of substance other than what you hope and what you believe. Nobody can. Several centuries ago, people were so convinced that a man rose from the dead that they willingly subjected themselves to intense ridicule, persecution, and even death. They were eye witnesses to a horrible execution, followed by an empty tomb. Some of these same people watched the same man turn water into wine. Other people of the day rejected this evidence. No miracle can convince someone who simply doesn't want to believe. As for substance and proof, people who know me have seen a profound change in my attitude and behavior. Something has happened to me that I can't effectively put into words, but the experience is meritorious as evidence for me. Until you have the same kind of epiphany, you simply can't know, and it would be unreasonable for me to insist that you do. Just don't take me on a whirlwind tour of the toolies and your beliefs/indoctrinations/hopes and expect me to lose sight of the original premise. I'm happy for you. But none of that is sufficient evidence, much less evidence at all. I wouldn't insult your intelligence that way, but I think we agree on your basic premise. Belief in creation depends on faith. Here, we have no dispute. I would argue, however, that belief in a mechanistic explanation for the origin of life also depends on faith. The point is that if honesty and equity are supposed to be god-like attributes, then there should be either two stickers on each biology book stating that they're both theories or no stickers at all. One would hope that those professing to follow in the mold of their creator would understand such a principle long before the unindoctrinated pagan. Indeed! Unfortunaely, reality and what one would think all too frequently are at odds with each other. That is the nature of humanity, is it not? robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind http://www.authorhouse.com/BookStore/ItemDetail.aspx?bookid=9782 Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] New list member question
Luc, No problem on the ribbing... :) The car may become a daily driver once it gets the once-over...but for now it is an unknown. I did read your suggestions on the tank screen, and had thought about putting an easily replaceable 2nd filter to help keep it clean while the bio does it work on the old system. Thanks for the suggestion on the valves...last time I had to deal with adjusting valves was my 92 Accord. ;-) And if the car gets the rear end eaten...I might turn it into a home bio-generator. Might be overkill, but then again, it will not have to work hard. --Randall - Original Message - From: Legal Eagle [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2004 8:51 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] New list member question Randall: Whahahah. Automatic ! Just ribbing you. - Original Message - From: Randall [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2004 2:39 PM Subject: [Biofuel] New list member question Any chances of people posting their experiences/suggestions to new list members that have bought specific diesels? This is not the first diesel that I have owned, but it is the first that I will have run non-dino. :-) I just bought a 1982 Mercedes 240D automatic--slow yes, but should be simple (I hope!). This is not going to be a daily driver--more of a test platform. Whahahah. Automatic ! Just ribbing you. Why not a daily driver ? Any tuning suggestions? Seals that need attention? Filter suggestions? Tuning, yes. Get a valve adjustment, it is required regular maintenance. Ahhh, the filters. Have you read my ongoing saga with the MB 240D's filters ? Mine is a 1983 4spd 4 cylendar manual. Before you get any further, pull the screen filter out of the fuel tank and inspect it 'cause that little beggar is going to clog up solid :) Actually you could just strip the screen part out and then install a second primary filter in the engine compartment and be prepared to change it often at first (until all the deposits get flushed). I just had the screen filter and fuel lines replaced so I don't really have to worry about that anymore but had I known about what it would entail I would have pulled it right off. Does anyone know if this model will do ok if I try SVO? Performance modifications? (snicker) Peerformance? Ha, what performance? Actually, it performs extremely well, it just doesn't do it very fast that's all. However, considering that that 67 HP is pulling around 3500lbs of metal it doesn't do too too poorly. Consider this. If for any reason your Benz gets scrapped by a rear end accident or somethig, God forbid, but it does happen, do you toss the car's engine, or turn it into a fantastic genset or one of the funkiest three wheeled motorcycles you have ever seen (both running on B100 of course)? Some have converted them, but mostly the 300D, to WVO/SVO use with a second tank system.Don't know the ins and outs of that one though. Luc Is there anyone on the list that lives in the Charlotte, NC area that can suggest good places for methanol and lye? Thanks in advance!! --Randall Van Engen ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] Nuclear vs coal
I agree that providing an alternative is constructive and is useful. Your example re the people that think irradiation is a cure all for sterilization and food preservation, I have no problem believing they don't know better. Most of them are unaware of the studies re the random molecules created with irradiation and their negative impact on living organisms. As for conspiracy I direct you to a former research scientist at Hanford (Mike McCormack)who was backed to becomea pivotal legislator. He destroyed solar in this country with his National Heating and Cooling Demonstration Act. He was not pro solar, that was a manipulation. The rest is, as they say, history. Kirk --- Peggy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well Kirk, There are nuclear scientists that believe that their science can apply to the good of the world. And that IS their belief!!! One nuclear scientist that I know thinks that with adequate shielding it is possible to pass water, food, disposables, and all kinds of useful items through an irradiator and come up with VERY GOOD products to make the world a better place to live, thereby utilizing the nuclear waste. His theories include taking waste radioactive material and encapsulating it into safe facilities by using modules that can BENEFIT the world. It is not propaganda. It is his belief. And he has written many scientific articles to state this. Doing homework includes literary reviews in university archives. And I am neither supporting nor denouncing the nuclear practices. I will say that I don't need them. Now, if you want infection free disposable diapers, cotton swabs without microbes, and sterile medical supplies, then you will most likely be using irradiated products. (Personally, I washed all my babies' diapers and hung them in the sun to dry.) The point is that claiming that the grand conspiracy of them is not a reality. The people that believe in what they believe in need to better understand the consequences of their actions. Misguided they may be. Conspirators, they are not. Do you personally understand atomic energy? There is much to be learned and new and novel applications may or may not be beneficial. To wholesale discount all practices can be as narrow-minded as a religious zealot. Now, with your understanding of detrimental ramifications, you can make an informed decision as to a different alternative. I don't need the nukes. Now convince the gluttonous populace that they can live a comfortable life by an alternative method. If we do not offer alternatives, we are not solving concerns. The real problem is numbers of human consumers. Offer an alternative for food and lodging and you will be doing a great service. Best wishes, Peggy Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Nuclear vs coal The nukesters routinely indulge in deception to promote their industry. The pollution associated with the nuclear fuel cycle is spun like stories regarding a president who didn't think a blowjob was sex. I don't think any reasonable person would believe it just like the nuclear industry rubbish. Thomas, the real reason for the promotion of nuclear power is so you can clad a light water reactor with U238 and form U239 which is easily separated by chemical action and has very modest shielding requirements making it quite useful as a military explosive. The amount of coal burned and hydro power displaced to obtain the original fuel is oft overlooked, just as the expense to taxpayers is. Utility companies get their fuel from the gvt for pennies on the dollar. Remember there are liars, there are damn liars and there are nuclear industry information people. There are lots of resources on the web to determine the real state of affairs. Get busy with your search engine. Kirk --- Tomas Juknevicius [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Hakan Falk wrote: Tomas, What kind of question is this? this was not supposed to be a trol question; sorry, if it sounded like so. What I wanted to find out, is this a hoax or not? Maybe someone has some real numbers to put out or a link to a research or article of some kind.. Produces, what do you mean? A nuclear power plant does not produce, it uses radioactive material, if I have not been misinformed. Okay, by saying produces I did mean that the plant produces the waste. So, the statement was that after producing the X kWh of electricity with the nuclear powerplant we are left with the Y1 kg amount of radioactive waste material (mostly concentrated in one place); On the other hand, if we produce the same X kWh of electricity with the coal-fired power plant we are left with the Y2 kg amount of radioactive waste material (dispersed through the smoke stack on a large area) And the guy on the other forum was stating, that the Y2 Y1
Re: Bible, Koran Torah Thumping, not to mention other general sheeple tricks was Re: [Biofuel] about God
The proof of God's existence absolutely depends on how an individual views the evidence. So you're saying that if you saw someone walking on water tomorrow, he or she may not be God? Okay. I'll buy that. But I'd sure like to know that trick. Think of all the money that would be saved on Goretex. What I view as evidence of God's creative power, another person may readily accept as evidence for evolution. In fact, both perspectives require faith. Homey don't buy that. Adapting, when given sufficient time, is a far sight easier than just being, without beginning or end. To me, this is evidence of God's creative power. It's likely that you have a more mundane view, and that's ok. You're correct. To me it's evidence that it existed. Not how it came to be. Several centuries ago, people were so convinced that a man rose from the dead that they willingly subjected themselves to intense ridicule, persecution, and even death. They were eye witnesses to a horrible execution, followed by an empty tomb. Some of these same people watched the same man turn water into wine. Other people of the day rejected this evidence. No miracle can convince someone who simply doesn't want to believe. You make the presumption that this actually occurred. Yet all you have as substance is supposed manuscripts of supposed people, all pasted together in a nice little novel that sells at bookstores world round for around $7.95 in paperback. Might be that some very bizarre things transpired in their day. Might be that a sect of people desperately seeking something to cling to found just that. Who knows what possessed the writers of epistles and gospels? They certainly felt it worthwhile to burn a lot of midnight olive oil to get it all down. But then so did Edgar Allan Poe. Belief in creation depends on faith. Here, we have no dispute. I would argue, however, that belief in a mechanistic explanation for the origin of life also depends on faith. Ahhh, but I wasn't speaking of a mechanism that explained the origin of life, only a mechanism that explained how life continually evolves/devolves based on the demands placed upon it. Who knows how life actually began. Certainly not you or I or anyone on this planet. Which rather brings the conversation full circle yet again Put two stickers on the biology books or take all stickers off? If there is a god out there, no doubt he or she is perfectly capable of convincing me without so much as a nod of help from the frail human sector. All their involvment tends to do is shun people in the other direction. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: robert luis rabello [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2004 10:46 PM Subject: Re: Bible, Koran Torah Thumping,not to mention other general sheeple tricks was Re: [Biofuel] about God Appal Energy wrote: Robert, I didn't say that any supposed diety should be subjected to any chemical tests or an MRI to substantiate existance. All I said was that proof of existance should be offered. And after several hundred million years, one would think that proof would be abundant. Perhaps I've communicated my thought poorly. The proof of God's existence absolutely depends on how an individual views the evidence. All of us bring a set of assumptions into our examination of the world we observe, as you rightly point out. What I may cite as evidence, you may dismiss by offering a different explanation. For example, I had a very hard time accepting the evidence for the evolution of humans, when the divergence of the human branch from that which later produced simian apes occurred only a few million years ago. The number of changes necessary for the 2% difference between our genome and that of chimpanzees to occur by the mechanism of mutagenesis in that short time, staggers my imagination. It would be like winning the lottery every day, for millions of years. (This was a primal motivator in the development of Christianity, in my case.) Other people, however, see no tension in this. What I view as evidence of God's creative power, another person may readily accept as evidence for evolution. In fact, both perspectives require faith. You are reading words on a screen that bring understanding to your mind. The fact that you can do this is a mystical capability, as the grapheme / phoneme relationships we associate with words have no intrinsic meaning. How did this ability develop? No one has a satisfactory explanation. It may as well be a miracle, because the genome that enables your intellect to comprehend my writing existed many thousands of years before you and I had a need to engage in this conversation. To me, this is evidence of God's creative power. It's likely that you have a more mundane view, and that's ok. snip I think George Burns walking through Times Square tomorrow at noon would be sufficient proof.
Re: Bible, Koran Torah Thumping, not to mention other general sheeple tricks was Re: [Biofuel] about God
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Re: [Biofuel] A note that caught my eye.
works, but more importantly people might just wander off and learn how to make it themselves at JtF or something and cut them out of the loop and then they couldn't get all that tax money or they'd have to hire an army ( the one they got is having problems right now) of inspectors and enforcers and that would cut into profits, so they want to just let it die a quiet death, or so they think, while allowing the rest of the world pay for their increased oil prices where they know they have a monopoly and are still under the delusion that Iraq's oil is theirs as soon as they can eliminate enough Iraqis who might otherwise lay claim to their own property like all those terrorist insurgents (read Iraqi citizens) are trying to do. in these times of fiscal responsibility they have to make cuts somewhere, so it's renewable energy that bites it this time. Luc - Original Message - From: Anti-Fossil [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2004 6:00 PM Subject: [Biofuel] A note that caught my eye. While reading through the D.o E.'s Biomass Program page, I noticed a note at the top right section of the page. The note basically said that the technology on this page was no longer a research priority. Can someone please explain this too me? Does this mean that they are not interested in pursuing biodiesel? Finally, would I be way out of line in assuming that GWB, and his big oil buds, are behind this refocusing of their portfolio to something that is a little less directly competitive perhaps? http://www.eere.energy.gov/biomass/renewable_diesel.html Take care, Anti-Fossil ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Squeezing Jello in Iraq
elsewhere. Mosul http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2004-11-11-mosul_x.htm?POE=click-refer Baiji http://www.reuters.co.uk/newsPackageArticle.jhtml?type=topNewsstoryID=619757section=news Luc - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2004 9:19 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Squeezing Jello in Iraq http://www.commondreams.org/views04/1110-28.htm Published on Wednesday, November 10, 2004 by Aljazeera.net Squeezing Jello in Iraq by Scott Ritter The much-anticipated US-led offensive to seize the Iraqi city of Falluja from anti-American Iraqi fighters has begun. Meeting resistance that, while stiff at times, was much less than had been anticipated, US Marines and soldiers, accompanied by Iraqi forces loyal to the interim government of Iyad Allawi, have moved into the heart of Falluja. Fighting is expected to continue for a few more days, but US commanders are confident that Falluja will soon be under US control, paving the way for the establishment of order necessary for nation-wide elections currently scheduled for January 2005. But will it? American military planners expected to face thousands of Iraqi resistance fighters in the streets of Falluja, not the hundreds they are currently fighting. They expected to roll up the network of Abu Musab al-Zarqawi and his foreign Islamic militants, and yet to date have found no top-tier leaders from that organization. As American forces surge into Falluja, Iraqi fighters are mounting extensive attacks throughout the rest of Iraq. Far from facing off in a decisive battle against the resistance fighters, it seems the more Americans squeeze Falluja, the more the violence explodes elsewhere. It is exercises in futility, akin to squeezing jello. The more you try to get a grasp on the problem, the more it slips through your fingers. This kind of war, while frustrating for the American soldiers and marines who wage it, is exactly the struggle envisioned by the Iraqi resistance. They know they cannot stand toe-to-toe with the world's most powerful military and expect to win. While the US military leadership struggles to get a grip on a situation in Iraq that deteriorates each and every day, the anti-US occupation fighters continue to execute a game plan that has been in position since day one. President Bush prematurely declared mission accomplished back in May 2003. For Americans, this meant that major combat operations in Iraq had come to an end, that we had won the war. But for the Iraqis, it meant something else. In Iraq, there never was a 'Missouri moment', where the government formally surrendered. The fact is, Saddam Hussein's government never surrendered, and still is very much in evidence in Iraq today in the form of the anti-US resistance. It is a war the United States cannot win, and which the interim government of Iyad Allawi cannot survive While we in America were declaring victory, the government of Saddam was planning its war. The first battles were fought in March and April 2003. Token resistance, no decisive engagement. The Iraqis fought just enough to establish the principle of resistance, but not enough to squander their resources. Since May 2003, the resistance has grown in size and sophistication. Some attribute this to the incompetence of the post-war occupation policies of the United States. While this certainly was a factor in facilitating the resistance, the fact remains that what is occurring today in Iraq is part of a well-conceived plan the goal of which is to restore the Baath Party back to power. And the policies of the Bush administration are playing right into their hands. The terror attacks carried out against the United Nations and other international aid organizations succeeded in driving out of Iraq the vestiges of foreign involvement the Bush administration relied upon to present an international face to the US-led occupation. In the chaos and anarchy that followed, the United States was compelled to use more and more force in an attempt to restore order, creating a Catch-22 situation where the more force we used, the more resistance we generated, requiring more force in response. The cycle of violence fed the resistance, destabilizing huge areas of Iraq that are still outside the control of the Iraqi government and US military. High profile operations in Najaf, Sadr City and Sammara did little to bring these cities to bear. While we in America were declaring victory, the government of Saddam was planning its war Today, fighters in Iraq operate freely, continuing their orgy of death and destruction in order to attract the inevitable heavy-handed US response. Falluja is a prime case in point. While the US is unlikely to deliver a fatal blow to the Iraqi resistance, it is succeeding in levelling huge areas of Falluja, recalling the Vietnam-era lament that we had to destroy the village in
Re: [Biofuel] U.S. Genetically Modified Corn Is Assailed
http://members.tripod.com/~ngin/deceit2.html Luc - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2004 9:19 AM Subject: [Biofuel] U.S. Genetically Modified Corn Is Assailed U.S. Genetically Modified Corn Is Assailed NAFTA Report Calls Grain a Threat to Mexico; Administration Disputes Study By Marc Kaufman Washington Post Staff Writer Wednesday, November 10, 2004; Page A02 A scientific panel of international experts has concluded that the unintended spread of U.S. genetically modified corn in Mexico -- where the species originated and modified plants are not allowed -- poses a potential threat that should be limited or stopped. But the United States yesterday attacked the report and its conclusions as unscientific, and made clear it did not intend to accept the recommendations. The report, written by a group convened under the North American Free Trade Agreement, rejected the U.S. position that the modified corn is, in effect, no different than conventionally bred corn hybrids. It said that because the Mexican government has never examined or approved the use of transgenic crops, their presence in the country is an inherent problem. How would Americans feel if we started getting living transgenic seeds that had been judged to be safe by the Cuban government but not the American government? asked Norman C. Ellstrand, a University of California at Riverside geneticist and member of the NAFTA-appointed panel. We would be outraged, and so are many Mexicans. Like us, they have the right to make up their own minds about genetically modified crops. The Mexican government embraced the NAFTA report and said it expected to implement many of its recommendations. The report, only the fifth in the treaty organization's history, was requested by Mexican farmers and officials in 2002 after researchers found that some forms of genetically modified corn were present in Mexico and were being naturally spread by cross-pollination. One variety contained genetically modified bacteria that protect the plant from certain insects, and another protects the plant if a particular kind of otherwise deadly weed killer is used on the fields. Although it remains uncertain how the modified corn got into Mexican fields, the report concluded that the large-scale importation of U.S. corn was the likely cause. The Mexican government distributes massive amounts of U.S. corn for grinding into cornmeal and flour, but some farmers are believed to have planted the corn instead. Once planted, the genetically modified corn spread naturally in fields over the seasons. Genetically modified corn can be legally used as food in Mexico but cannot be planted and grown, except in small test plots recently approved by the government. The NAFTA report concluded that the modified corn does not pose a health risk, but it did say that the environmental consequences are less well understood. It also raised the possibility of the spread of potentially more hazardous types of modified corn -- such as varieties grown in the United States to produce pharmaceuticals and industrial products. If those types of corn ever made it to Mexico and got planted, then yes, there would be a health and safety problem that would be very hard to solve, Ellstrand said. The U.S. rejection of the NAFTA report was broad and pointed. This report is fundamentally flawed and unscientific; key recommendations are not based on sound science and are contradicted by the report's own scientific findings, the Environmental Protection Agency and the U.S. Trade Representative said in a joint statement. Implementing many of the report's recommendations would cause economic harm to farmers and consumers of all NAFTA countries and restrict international trade. The U.S. statement specifically criticized one recommendation -- that all U.S. corn coming into Mexico be milled at or near the border so it cannot be planted. That practice, it says, would increase the cost of U.S. corn significantly, negatively affecting Mexico's livestock producers and consumers. The NAFTA report and the U.S. response are also far apart on what constitutes a scientific assessment of the issue. The report included information about the attitudes of Mexican farmers to the genetically modified corn, saying many find it frightening and a threat to their staple food, while American officials said those views have no place in a scientific study. In support of their formal critique, the U.S. agencies cited the report's conclusion that scientific investigations and analyses over the past 25 years have shown that the process of transferring a gene from one organism to another does not pose any intrinsic threat over the short or long term, either to health, biodiversity or the environment. The NAFTA report went on, however, to conclude that the specific characteristics of any
Re: [Biofuel] Nuclear vs coal
and all we had to do was make special suncatchers, flat pieces of silicon the most abundant mineral on the planet, which over time became all the shade structures for the plant nurseries. as more and more these roofs were applied and civilization grew, the people became energy independant and no longer needed global energy infrustructure. soon all covers that gained sunlight all day long became energy absorbtion coverings. and wars to support the oil and transportation systems became no more. and the new eden was built and a fathers temple created mel It would be nice to know if solar cells are a viable alternative considering the mass amount of energy required to purify silicon (not to mention the nasty chemicals involved) -- Martin K ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] titration
Hi Keith, bonjour Luc, the precipitate is kind of small beads of oil agglomerating as soon as I stop agitation, but big one at the end even with mixing. 3ml where added. ph strips used because electronic one give erratic results. Effectivement elles apparaissent quand j'arrete de mlanger. 8.5 est mon ph, 4 gr est ma titration + 3.5 me donne 7.5..qui doit tre plus acceptable:) je prsume. Il est bon de voir du francais, tant plus habile ds la langue de Molire..j'ai tellement de questions..j'en profite pr te demander si tu sais comment prparer une solution de phnol. je peux en avoir en poudre mais comment et avec quoi la mixer? ou trouve-t-on le KOH? gros bravo pr ton article/processeur qui saura en aider/motiver plus d'un! Thanks both, light begin to lit. Bob ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] Fiat Palio?
Atul, Great to know there are ppl like you closer home...tell me, by forest produce, what do u mean? Jathropa?? I'm trying to work something out on a commercial scale, but the feedstock is a problem.. Will call u sometime..thanks Raunak -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of atul malhotra Sent: Friday, November 12, 2004 1:02 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Fiat Palio? dear RSA My names Atul and i am based in chandigarh i have done abt 100 kms on my Indica DLE on pure BD and have encountred absolutely no trouble at all In fact i surprised my people with the nearly zero levels of obnoxious fumes my prob though is abit diff...till date i have been tapping some forest produce to get Biodiesel but obviously its in miniscule quantity...where can i get sufficient supplies as i am looking at captive power generation for my industrial unit as well. u can call me if u wish at 0 94 174 54735 Atul. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Alternative Jet Fuel / Cetane Addative?
Depends on the additive.Power Service 'Year-Around Formula' might, Diesel Power would not. Cetane boosters get to claim HP boost, because it is more likely that the fuel will burn at the proper time in a diesel engine. The main ingredient in most cetane boosters is kerosene, with some 2-ETHYLEHEXYL NITRATE ( an explosive that gets sensitive under pressure ) dissolved in it. 10% BioDiesel made from Coconut oil ( according to Journey to Forever, Coconut oil ester has a cetane rating of above 60 ) does more to raise the over all cetane rating ( and 20 percent is even better ), that most additives. Cetane has little to do with BTU value. BioFuels just are not as 'energy dense' ( for lack of a better term ) as an equivalent DinoFuel, and that is what matters for jet aircraft. Greg H. - Original Message - From: James Quaid [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2004 19:22 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Alternative Jet Fuel / Cetane Addative? I'd try a Cetane addative. This works with convetntional diesel in boosting HP and helps with freezing. Regards, JQ Cave Creek, Aridzona Greg Harbican wrote: Needs to have 2 critical things addressed to be viable: 1)Flows well at sub-zero temps. 2)A BTU value as high or higher than the fossil fuel, that is currently used. I don't know of any BioFuel with those qualities. Greg H. - Original Message - From: Jeremy Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2004 09:50 Subject: [Biofuel] Alternative Jet Fuel Does anyone know of any alternative or bio jet or plane fuel? _ Don't just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: Bible, Koran Torah Thumping, not to mention other general s heeple tricks was Re: [Biofuel] about God
Belief in a god of any king was there to hound the people into a belief that if you are a bad person you will be punished. just like in the Holiwood movies or the kindergarden stories told to ignorant children. It is human nature to believe in A HIGHER BEEN because we all look for a father or mother figure to cling to. Unfortunately, some humans have exploited this nature and taken it into profiting from some weaker, social dropouts and seriously demented beens, who are gullable enough to believe in rubbish tossed in their direction. Scraps from the table of the rich man i.e The origin of mankind as a race on Earth has always been in question. Mankinddoes not fall into the other categories of other animals on earth. We are called primates, but why are we 1 million time more dominant in every field over our nearest competitor. The answer stares us in the face on a daily basis, but we refuse to accept it. Humans do not originate from Earth. We are our own Martians. Laugh as you may, but look at the evidence. Don't you think Earth is slowly replicating the conditions found on Mars? CO2 levels unbearable, water evident, Temperatures unbearable extremes, deforested, poles melted, and... and and... Put any been on a virgin planet or island and they revert to cave man. Watch the Survivor series on T.V. and you will see the logic. They are only there for a few weeks and look what happened. The Bible , Koran etc are nice story books to base an ideal on, but remember.a story book still. Most of the Bible's stories are symbolic figures of speech and can not be taken literally. People .wake up and realise that the dark ages of magic and trickery were left there and word games are not a modern fad. Look after yourself and know the difference between right and wrong. Trust no-one, for they will let you down. I have live on this policy for 40 years and has worked for me so far. Live lif4e to the full, as long as it doesn't hurt anyone in the process or deminish the gift of life to something cheap. Perfection comes with practice , not create in a whole or hole. Craig -Original Message- From: Appal Energy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 12, 2004 6:44 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Bible, Koran Torah Thumping, not to mention other general sheeple tricks was Re: [Biofuel] about God Robert, The proof of God's existence absolutely depends on how an individual views the evidence. So you're saying that if you saw someone walking on water tomorrow, he or she may not be God? Okay. I'll buy that. But I'd sure like to know that trick. Think of all the money that would be saved on Goretex. What I view as evidence of God's creative power, another person may readily accept as evidence for evolution. In fact, both perspectives require faith. Homey don't buy that. Adapting, when given sufficient time, is a far sight easier than just being, without beginning or end. To me, this is evidence of God's creative power. It's likely that you have a more mundane view, and that's ok. You're correct. To me it's evidence that it existed. Not how it came to be. Several centuries ago, people were so convinced that a man rose from the dead that they willingly subjected themselves to intense ridicule, persecution, and even death. They were eye witnesses to a horrible execution, followed by an empty tomb. Some of these same people watched the same man turn water into wine. Other people of the day rejected this evidence. No miracle can convince someone who simply doesn't want to believe. You make the presumption that this actually occurred. Yet all you have as substance is supposed manuscripts of supposed people, all pasted together in a nice little novel that sells at bookstores world round for around $7.95 in paperback. Might be that some very bizarre things transpired in their day. Might be that a sect of people desperately seeking something to cling to found just that. Who knows what possessed the writers of epistles and gospels? They certainly felt it worthwhile to burn a lot of midnight olive oil to get it all down. But then so did Edgar Allan Poe. Belief in creation depends on faith. Here, we have no dispute. I would argue, however, that belief in a mechanistic explanation for the origin of life also depends on faith. Ahhh, but I wasn't speaking of a mechanism that explained the origin of life, only a mechanism that explained how life continually evolves/devolves based on the demands placed upon it. Who knows how life actually began. Certainly not you or I or anyone on this planet. Which rather brings the conversation full circle yet again Put two stickers on the biology books or take all stickers off? If there is a god out there, no doubt he or she is perfectly capable of convincing me without so much as a nod of help from the frail human sector. All their involvment tends to do is shun people in the other
Re: [Biofuel] Nuclear vs coal
Is not a matter of thermal moderation that is needed, but, a speed moderator, to slow down a neutron, so it can be caught by one element, making another heaver element.If you have high speed, then you would get elements that break down into lighter elements about as soon as it gets hit by the fast moving neutron, like a bullet hitting glass. You can do the same thing with other materials, other than heavy water, like graphite.If graphite gets to hot, it burns, then you have real problems A.K.A. Chernobyl. The heavy water also acts as a thermal transfer medium, as well as a speed moderator.The most efficient thermal transfer mediums are various types of metal or metal alloys with low melting points.It is a combination of graphite moderators and liquid metal alloy thermal transfer medium that atomic submarines use.The first self sustaining atomic reaction ( just to see if theory could become reality ), was from a atomic pile with a graphite moderator and air cooled. Breeder reactors are graphite based because it is more efficient at slowing down neutrons, and are specifically designed to react a higher percentage of Uranium 238/92 to Plutonium 239/94 ( than would be made in a standard electricity producing reactor ), by first making Uranium 239/92 ( which decays by giving up a beta particle ), to Neptunium 239/93 which decays ( by giving up another beta particle ) to Plutonium 239/94. Standard information from High School Physics and Chemistry classes ( not to mention a few books on the history of the Manhattan Project ). Greg H. - Original Message - From: Jonathan Howell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2004 19:13 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Nuclear vs coal Greg- Actually, water is the thermal moderator of choice for all operational commercial nuke plants in the US. The mass of the hydrogen atom in the water most closely approximates the mass of the fast neutron. Therefore more energy transfer per collision.(the billiard ball theory) jsh ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: Bible, Koran Torah Thumping, not to mention other general s heeple tricks was Re: [Biofuel] about God
snip It is human nature to believe in A HIGHER BEEN because we all look for a father or mother figure to cling to. Um, I am a strong believer of higher beans ... :-) ... red kidney especially. And that these beans cling to poles :o). Yum. Cheers Aleks ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Question about Hornet wind turbine
Go to http://yahoogroups.com/group/awea-wind-home . Follow the instructions to join. For wind power information: http://www.windpower.dk http://www.scoraigwind.co.uk http://www.wind-works.org http://www.awea.org and other national associations. Doug Woodard St. Catharines, Ontario On Wed, 10 Nov 2004, Benjamin Bryant wrote: In Biofuel Digest, Vol 3, Issue 25 Hakan had mentioned something about quality concerns with the Hornet. I would like to know a little more about this. Also, what is the awea wind list and how does one gain access to it? ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] A note that caught my eye.
Hello Anti-fossil I sat next to a DoE spokes person in a meeting this summer. He said that they have a twenty-year plan mapped out... strange, but true. He also did not want to make eye contact with me because I was obviously the rebel with a cause and one that was proving to be doing a great deal without their knowledge or blessings. Now their previous plan (for more years than you can imagine) gave their money to the corn growers--with limited insight into alternatives to the alternatives (in my opinion) supporting a food grade technology for biofuel. They way the system works right now is that if you have a good or great idea, then they want you to hire their existing scientists at the NREL to coop with you and your organization assigning their staff and their set-up to share in any and all patents and processes that you collaboratively invent even though the idea came from an outside source. Plus, any suggested matching funds payment for their gift of collaboration should come from you--the inventor. (They must have hired an expensive financial consulting firm to help make these guidelines--one that supports existing big business--with or without political affiliations... one party is no better than the other in this focus) The contributions from the government entity would naturally come as in kind with means dedicating a part of their allotted time without pay or establishing a very high price for facility use in an existing building. (It's called experience rate.) Therefore, our business plan is focused on bootstrapping which means making a difference without government assistance (or interference). Thank heavens the people who work on a state level are much more amiable to small business and local fixes. The trick will be to dance through the cracks of policy, politics, and regulations in a manner that is acceptable to the system. (And we know that the system can change.) This is one reason that we promote foreign contracting for our small facilities. If the international presence is viably strong, then there is more leeway in forced-acceptance. Swimming with sharks is a bit scary and even writing this note can subject me to disapproval by some of the people that I really like and want to work with if and when the project can assist the populace. After all, isn't that the real criteria? Humanity! It is best to remain friendly and hope that some of the internal people with vision can persuade their management to refocus. Greed includes keeping one's cush job--or changing one's dance steps to match the current music-maker. So far, I have not received any pay for everything that I have done over the past nine years to work toward safe water, safe air, and safe food. But there looks like a light on yonder hill. Just a few more steps and perhaps, we can afford to make a better difference. And by the way, their policies go beyond presidential involvement. They are an entity unto themselves coloring their presentations to suit their internal needs or proclaimed political agenda. And this is the way it could and should be so long as they are not wearing blinders or receiving gratuities. In my opinion the gratuities come by way of sharing research dollars back into the system. Again--one solution is in individual boodstrapping omitting the government money and still making a difference. Best wishes, Peggy Subject: [Biofuel] A note that caught my eye. While reading through the D.o E.'s Biomass Program page, I noticed a note at the top right section of the page. The note basically said that the technology on this page was no longer a research priority. Can someone please explain this too me? Does this mean that they are not interested in pursuing biodiesel? Finally, would I be way out of line in assuming that GWB, and his big oil buds, are behind this refocusing of their portfolio to something that is a little less directly competitive perhaps? http://www.eere.energy.gov/biomass/renewable_diesel.html ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] A note that caught my eye.
noticed a note at the top right section of the page. The note basically said that the technology on this page was no longer a research priority. Can someone please explain this too me? Does this mean that they are not interested in pursuing biodiesel? Finally, would I be way out of line in assuming that GWB, and his big oil buds, are behind this refocusing of their portfolio to something that is a little less directly competitive perhaps? http://www.eere.energy.gov/biomass/renewable_diesel.html Take care, Anti-Fossil Hello Anti-Fossil There are a few old fossils here on the list, I hope you're not anti-us - er, them. :-) Anyway, maybe this message below from the Biofuels-biz list about a year back might have some bearing on it. Best wishes Keith To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 09:45:27 EST Subject: [biofuels-biz] End of US Biodiesel Research Program The top researcher from the National Renewable Energy Laboratory, Dr. Shaine Tyson, reports that the entire biodiesel research program has been terminated by the Bush administration. The staff for this research program has been notified of termination or transfer. Dr Tyson writes: DOE has canceled all biodiesel related research at this time. I will be permanently laid off April 1, if not sooner. I am also in the process of canceling contracts either before we award them or canceling them and pulling the money back to fund other salaries. ...snip... In preparation for leaving NREL, my management has blessed all of our job hunting activities. So I'll be lining up biodiesel consulting work under my own shingle to commence after April 1. If you ever find yourself in need of my services, let me know. My new contact info is below. NREL has approved of us using our NREL phone and email until then to discuss new business if I can develop any, so don't hesitate to call if you need me. K. Shaine Tyson Biodiesel Feasibility and Consulting, Ltd. 3142 C.R. 115 Glenwood Springs, CO 81601 Phone: 970-945-9148 - Homestead Inc. www.yellowbiodiesel.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: Bible, Koran Torah Thumping, not to mention other general sheeple tricks was Re: [Biofuel] about God
The rich man is the man that needs nothing. And faith can be the impetus for knowing that as the center of expression for the primal will-to-good your needs will be met regardless of one's profit and loss statement. There is nothing wrong with wealth (as has been already stated on this forum). It is the greed that some associate with personally acquiring their physical possessions. We all come into the world naked and when we leave, who cares what clothes are buried along with the decaying rot. (Therefore leading to an entire philosophy of Pharaohnic science which doesn't really matter in this discussion anyway.) You hit the nail on the head when you targeted beliefs as the persuasion to and from difficulty. Best wishes, Peggy Subject: RE: Bible, Koran Torah Thumping, not to mention other general sheeple tricks was Re: [Biofuel] about God Belief in a god of any king was there to hound the people into a belief that if you are a bad person you will be punished. just like in the Holiwood movies or the kindergarden stories told to ignorant children. It is human nature to believe in A HIGHER BEEN because we all look for a father or mother figure to cling to. Unfortunately, some humans have exploited this nature and taken it into profiting from some weaker, social dropouts and seriously demented beens, who are gullable enough to believe in rubbish tossed in their direction. Scraps from the table of the rich man i.e The origin of mankind as a race on Earth has always been in question. Mankinddoes not fall into the other categories of other animals on earth. We are called primates, but why are we 1 million time more dominant in every field over our nearest competitor. The answer stares us in the face on a daily basis, but we refuse to accept it. Humans do not originate from Earth. We are our own Martians. Laugh as you may, but look at the evidence. Don't you think Earth is slowly replicating the conditions found on Mars? CO2 levels unbearable, water evident, Temperatures unbearable extremes, deforested, poles melted, and... and and... Put any been on a virgin planet or island and they revert to cave man. Watch the Survivor series on T.V. and you will see the logic. They are only there for a few weeks and look what happened. The Bible , Koran etc are nice story books to base an ideal on, but remember.a story book still. Most of the Bible's stories are symbolic figures of speech and can not be taken literally. People .wake up and realise that the dark ages of magic and trickery were left there and word games are not a modern fad. Look after yourself and know the difference between right and wrong. Trust no-one, for they will let you down. I have live on this policy for 40 years and has worked for me so far. Live lif4e to the full, as long as it doesn't hurt anyone in the process or deminish the gift of life to something cheap. Perfection comes with practice , not create in a whole or hole. Craig ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] A note that caught my eye.
When you read the information on the DOE page, it's interesting to see the struggle to reduce petroleum dependence on two levels -- nations (most of the industrialized world) who want to free themselves from other nations (OPEC) and individuals (you and me) who want to free ourselves from corporate greed in the petroleum industry (GWB's beneficiaries). I'm really interested to see where this takes us. In any event, I'm confident and happy to know that home brewers will be around in the foreseeable future. For the record: Please don't misunderstand me. In this particular observation, I'm only focusing on part of the motivation for producing biofuels. Mike Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: While reading through the D.o E.'s Biomass Program page, I noticed a note at the top right section of the page. The note basically said that the technology on this page was no longer a research priority. Can someone please explain this too me? Does this mean that they are not interested in pursuing biodiesel? Finally, would I be way out of line in assuming that GWB, and his big oil buds, are behind this refocusing of their portfolio to something that is a little less directly competitive perhaps? http://www.eere.energy.gov/biomass/renewable_diesel.html Take care, Anti-Fossil Hello Anti-Fossil There are a few old fossils here on the list, I hope you're not anti-us - er, them. :-) Anyway, maybe this message below from the Biofuels-biz list about a year back might have some bearing on it. Best wishes Keith To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 09:45:27 EST Subject: [biofuels-biz] End of US Biodiesel Research Program The top researcher from the National Renewable Energy Laboratory, Dr. Shaine Tyson, reports that the entire biodiesel research program has been terminated by the Bush administration. The staff for this research program has been notified of termination or transfer. Dr Tyson writes: DOE has canceled all biodiesel related research at this time. I will be permanently laid off April 1, if not sooner. I am also in the process of canceling contracts either before we award them or canceling them and pulling the money back to fund other salaries. ...snip... In preparation for leaving NREL, my management has blessed all of our job hunting activities. So I'll be lining up biodiesel consulting work under my own shingle to commence after April 1. If you ever find yourself in need of my services, let me know. My new contact info is below. NREL has approved of us using our NREL phone and email until then to discuss new business if I can develop any, so don't hesitate to call if you need me. K. Shaine Tyson Biodiesel Feasibility and Consulting, Ltd. 3142 C.R. 115 Glenwood Springs, CO 81601 Phone: 970-945-9148 - Homestead Inc. www.yellowbiodiesel.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Precautionary Mister Rogers, Part 3
#802 -- Precautionary Mister Rogers, Part 1*, October 14, 2004 http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/BIOFUEL/39710/ #803 -- Precautionary Mister Rogers, Part 2*, October 28, 2004 http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/BIOFUEL/40881/ http://www.rachel.org/bulletin/index.cfm?issue_ID=2482 #804 -- Precautionary Mister Rogers, Part 3*, November 11, 2004 In this Precautionary Mister Rogers series, we are exploring how the precautionary principle works at the local level. The precautionary principle can begin with the question, Is this action necessary? Or, Does it have to be this way? This leads naturally to a discussion of alternatives. Precaution has been applied to least-harmful purchasing policies at the local level. But it can also be used to protect the local economy. We saw an example of this last week, with policies that favor government purchasing from local firms, to keep tax dollars at work locally. Here's another precautionary approach to protecting the local economy: EARLY WARNING SYSTEMS TO SAVE LOCAL BUSINESSES Local businesses are essential for the stability of any community. Therefore, looking ahead to try to prevent business closures is a sensible precautionary approach. Dan Swinney at the Center for Labor and Community Research (www.clcr.org) in Chicago has studied the problem of small businesses disappearing and has concluded that there are two main reasons why small businesses close their doors: the owners grow old without making plans for succession, or insurmountable management problems arise. Swinney believes that communities that understand these problems can take action to prevent the loss of local businesses -- arranging for the firms to be bought out by their workers, for example. Or, in the case of management problems, providing management advice to failing firms. The key to success is developing a network of community people (chiefly workers, who have inside information about the places where they work). This early warning network can spot the signs of trouble in small businesses and can find the right kind of help to keep local businesses operating. Swinney's brief report on this topic, Early Warning Systems: A Proactive Tool for Labor in the Regional Economy, can be found at http://www.rachel.org/library/getfile.cfm?ID=488. While you're thinking about your community's economy, take a look at Swinney's longer paper, Building the Bridge to the High Road, http://www.rachel.org/library/getfile.cfm?ID=489. And while you're thinking about the high road economy versus the low road economy, check out the High Road Service Center at http://www.highroadnow.org/. We environmentalists are missing the boat if we think we can protect the environment without paying attention to jobs, the economy, fairness and justice. COMMUNITY VISIONING AND GOALS Sometimes the precautionary principle begins by asking, Is this action necessary? But it can also arise from the question, What kind of community do we want? What are our common goals? Every community needs to have an articulated vision for its future and a set of goals to reach that vision. The vision and goals need to be created by all community stakeholders (residents, homeowners, local business owners, public officials, community-based organizations, and institutions in the community) who are committed to the process and who are ready to see it through. The process of setting goals will take a long time (sometimes a few years) so people need to be prepared to engage for the long haul. The group articulating the vision and goals also needs to develop a set of indicators to help local citizens know whether they are making progress toward the goals and the vision. So how do a diverse group of people with very different agendas come to a table and agree on a vision and a set of goals? In Rachel's #783 we reviewed some of these techniques in detail but here is a quick wrap-up of the best of them: In order to make sure you have all the stakeholders at the table you have to know who is in your community. The best way to do this is to conduct a community asset inventory to learn about all the gifts, skills, and talents of neighborhood residents; all the associations in your neighborhood including social clubs, religious organizations, sports clubs and teams, PTAs, civic organizations, gardening clubs and others; and formal institutions such as private businesses, public institutions (libraries, schools, parks, etc.), and non-profit agencies (hospitals, community development agencies, etc.). For more information about community asset inventories. see http://www.rachel.org/bulletin/index.cfm?issue_ID=2416 and http://www.rachel.org/bestPrac/detail.cfm?bestPrac_ID=56 . Once you have all the stakeholders at the table you can create your vision and goals. There are a number of processes that will help with this task. Here are two: ** Participatory mapping will help you
Re: [Biofuel] about God
Hey Tim: In oreder to have a chicken one must then have to have a fertile egg right ? Ok, who insiminated the first egg? Ergo, Creation. The chicken came first. :) Actually, there was a non-chicken egg layer long before there was a chicken. Ergo, Evolution. The egg came first. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Using used veg. oil
Dear Keith, No need to ask me, there are lots of folks here who know just as much about this or more. I used 1L of new rapseed oil and followed the procedure.As soon as I added sodium methoxide to the heated oil at 58C the glycerine separated immediately and I started mixing it using a blender. I noticed froth at the top.I mixed it for about half an hour. The reaction seemed complete. The froth was still there the next day.The test showed it was very strong alkali layer.It could be a soap layer? I did the quality test on the liquid layer. It passed. Then I repeated the same with a used vegetable oil. The reaction seemed similar but there was a difference in colour. The colour of the methyl ester was not light yellow but brown; not different from the original colour of the oil. Rapseed oil was light yellow and the used oil was dark brown. I did the quality test on the product of the used oil by mixing 150ml water and 150 ml biodiesel and standing the mixture. It did not separate into 2 layers clearly like the new rapseed oil biodiesel did.It did separate into 2 layers but the top layer was creamy with a froth on it. Does it mean the used oil does not make a good biodiesel? It's more likely to be you than the oil that didn't make good biodiesel. You'll have to explain just what you did, in detail. With the quality test, that it separated into two layers is good, but how long did it take to separate? The top layer would be creamy rather than clear, depending what you mean by creamy. Not so sure about the froth. Were there only two layers, not a white layer in between? How did you titrate the oil? Were your measurements precise? How did you measure the pH? What was the result? Do you have accurate scales? Where did you get the methanol and the lye from? Best wishes Keith Fox ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] about God
The essence of egg-o-ism drew the chicken unto itself and into a future probability as did the squawking joy of reverberating sound made by the chicken as she laid her first egg. Forevermore the sound of joyful laying of eggs shall disrupt hen houses followed by the cackle of remembrance--a feeling men will never know. Peggy Hey Tim: In oreder to have a chicken one must then have to have a fertile egg right ? Ok, who insiminated the first egg? Ergo, Creation. The chicken came first. :) Actually, there was a non-chicken egg layer long before there was a chicken. Ergo, Evolution. The egg came first. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] about God
God laid an egg? H. . . :) Kirk --- Peggy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The essence of egg-o-ism drew the chicken unto itself and into a future probability as did the squawking joy of reverberating sound made by the chicken as she laid her first egg. Forevermore the sound of joyful laying of eggs shall disrupt hen houses followed by the cackle of remembrance--a feeling men will never know. Peggy Hey Tim: In oreder to have a chicken one must then have to have a fertile egg right ? Ok, who insiminated the first egg? Ergo, Creation. The chicken came first. :) Actually, there was a non-chicken egg layer long before there was a chicken. Ergo, Evolution. The egg came first. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Energy Cronies Clamor For Reward
Energy Cronies Clamor For Reward By Amanda Griscom Little, Grist Magazine. Posted November 10, 2004. There's a good chance the 109th Congress will enable Bush to hand his corporate contributors one of the most sought-after prizes of all: Alaska's Arctic National Wildlife Refuge. A day after winning the presidential election last week, George W. Bush made this now-legendary - and, to some, menacing - statement: I earned capital in the campaign, political capital, and now I intend to spend it. Without dwelling on the notion that conservatives are supposed to protect and grow capital, not fritter it away, environmentalists are wondering just where and how President Bush is going to spend his political booty in the natural resource realm. In much the same way he spent his more limited allowance in the last go-round, according to U.S. EPA chief Mike Leavitt. As reported in Greenwire last Friday, Leavitt told the press that the Bushies will proudly stay the course on their environmental agenda - one widely condemned by environmentalists, but newly bolstered by the election. We now have a clear agenda, one that's been validated and empowered by the people of this country, he said. If past is indeed prologue in the Bush administration, say enviros, it's fair to assume that a key beneficiary of the president's newfound capital will be the energy industry. During Bush's first term, efforts to weaken clean air regulations and expedite oil and gas drilling were regarded as paybacks for campaign contributions. This time around, the energy and natural-resources sector made record donations to Bush's campaign - a total of $4.4 million for the 2004 cycle, according to the latest data from the Center for Responsive Politics, compared with $2.8 million in the 2000 campaign. Right now Karl Rove is saying, 'First things first, George. These are the folks that floated our campaign, we need to give them our thanks,' said Dan Becker, director of the Sierra Club's Global Warming and Energy Program. Now that the Republicans have gained four seats in the Senate, giving them a 55-45 advantage, there's a good chance that the 109th Congress will enable President Bush to hand his corporate contributors one of the most sought-after prizes of all: Alaska's Arctic National Wildlife Refuge. Bush is also better positioned to get Senate approval for his stalled-out energy bill, which has been widely criticized on both sides of the aisle as pork at its worst, with its billions of dollars in subsidies for fossil-fuel producers and other special interests. There have been rumblings on Capitol Hill that the energy bill could come up for consideration during the lame-duck session that will begin on Nov. 16, even before the 108th Congress adjourns at the end of this year. Lame-duck sessions are typically more rushed and insulated from media scrutiny than other sessions, which could be advantageous when pushing forward a highly contentious and complex piece of legislation. But most observers think the energy bill won't get off the ground until 2005. No one expects the Republicans to go to great lengths to move it now when they can just rewrite it next year, and they'll have the advantage of a bigger margin, said Karen Wayland, legislative director for the Natural Resources Defense Council. Indeed, energy-bill advocates insist that the new Republicans who'll be taking office in January will put them in good stead: We have more than enough votes for an energy bill, Sen. George Allen (R-Va.), chair of the National Republican Senatorial Committee, declared at a press conference last Wednesday. Scott Segal, a lobbyist for the industry group Electric Reliability Coordinating Council, shares Allen's optimism. Things are definitely looking up for an omnibus energy bill, he said. Not only is there a larger operating majority for Republicans, you've got to consider the cost of energy: We've had sustained oil prices above $50 [a barrel], which is a real red-flag zone, and natural gas at three times the historical average. This could very well stimulate the passage, particularly among moderate Democrats and more liberal Republicans. A big sticking point for the energy bill, though, is its MTBE provision, which would indemnify producers of the gasoline additive MTBE against water-pollution lawsuits. The energy bill got jammed on the MTBE provision and never got unstuck, said Bill Wicker, spokesperson for Democrats on the Senate Energy and Natural Resources Committee. Even though there are nine new senators coming to town [seven Republicans, two Democrats], nearly all of them will vote the same way on this issue as their predecessors. It's true that extra support for the bill in the Senate will come from Richard Burr of North Carolina (replacing Democrat John Edwards), Mel Martinez of Florida (replacing Democrat Bob Graham), and Jim DeMint of South Carolina (replacing
[Biofuel] Subsidies Increase for Industrial Agriculture
P A N U P S Pesticide Action Network Updates Service === Subsidies Increase for Industrial Agriculture November 11, 2004 Farm policies are squeezing small U.S. family farms out of business and fail to support non-traditional practices such as organic farming. Even though organic farming is one of the most promising and fastest growing agricultural sectors, federal subsidies continue to promote industrialized agriculture that places profit before sustainability and relies on pesticides and unproven genetically modified organisms. The United States Department of Agriculture's (USDA) most recent agricultural census shows a drop in the total number of U.S. farms while gross output remains stable, suggesting that production is consolidating in a smaller group of large farms. For example, in the past five years, the number of farms producing rice has fallen by more than 16%, as more than 1,500 farms have closed. Gross national rice production, meanwhile, has increased by 14%. USDA funding practices, meanwhile, place a greater percentage of subsidies with a smaller percentage of farms. In 1995, the largest farms received $3.98 billion, or 55% of all federal farm payments. In 2002, their portion increased to $7.8 billion, or 65% of all federal payments. Almost 30% of agricultural subsidies go to the top 2% of farms and over four-fifths of subsidies are awarded to the 30% largest farms in the nation. While traditional family farms are closing, sustainable and organic farming practices are rapidly expanding with certified organic acreage doubling between 1992 and 1997 and doubling again between 1997 and 2001. Organic lettuce acreage now accounts for 5% of the nation's total, and 4% of carrot acreage is certified organic. Yet the only government funding currently committed solely to organic farming is a certification cost share program established in the 2002 Farm Bill to support growers, handlers, and retailers seeking organic certification from the USDA. Five million dollars of the Farm Bill's $248.6 billion budget is available through this program. Other federal programs designed to support struggling farms or promote environmental conservation often do not reach those most in need. Most subsidies issued by the Environmental Quality Incentives Program (EQIP), a Bush Administration initiative that directs 60% of its funds towards helping livestock producers meet environmental regulations, end up in the hands of large-scale farms, because only operations with more than 1,000 animals are regulated. The Conservation Security Program (CSP) in the 2002 Farm Bill provides significant support for sustainable farming practices, however USDA has waited two years to implement this program. According to the Land Stewardship Project, USDA CSP draft regulations limit the program to eligible watersheds, do not provide enough cost incentives for farmers and ranchers, require some farmers to wait eight years to apply, and discriminate against farmers on smaller acreages engaged in highly effective conservation management. Crop insurance and disaster payment programs are also biased against non-traditional farming practices. Insurance companies generally use pesticide-based farming as their best-practice standard to determine premiums and reimbursements. A lack of research-based standards for organic yields and crop values makes it difficult to determine what constitutes a disaster and just how much money the farmer lost. The emerging threat to organic farms of contamination by nearby genetically modified crops is also not covered. While farming subsidies remain stagnant, funding for research into organic and sustainable farming practices has shown modest gains. Two competitive grant-making programs, the Organic Transitions Program and the Organic Research Extension initiative of the 2002 Farm Bill provide a combined $5 million dollars per year while the USDA's Agricultural Research Service has dedicated about $3 million per year to researching organics. Still, the $3.5 million spent by the ARS in 2003 represents a disproportionately small one third of one percent of its annual budget. Based on relative market size, organic farming should receive at least three times that, or 1.8% of the budget. Sources: Organic Farming Research Foundation. Information Bulletin. Winter 2004, and Fall 2004 Available at http://www.ofrf.org ; Common Dreams. More Family Farmers Failing Under Bush Administration - Small Farmers Struggle as Programs Benefit Corporate Agribusiness. 09/31/04, http://www.commondreams.org ; Land Stewardship Project, http://www.landstewardshipproject.org ; USDA National Agricultural Statistics Service. 2002 Census of Agriculture, http://www.nass.usda.gov/census . Contact: PANNA PANUPS is a weekly email news service providing resource guides and reporting on pesticide issues that don't always get
Re: [Biofuel] washing water
has anyone had the wash water tested?? and will to provide those results to the rest of us?? I know that wash water will kill grass and weeds very well, when using sodium instead of potassium. i want to know what i can do to make it less toxic to the grass. any help?? thanks challeng71 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: Bible, Koran Torah Thumping, not to mention other general sheeple tricks was Re: [Biofuel] about God
bob allen wrote: What? I have personally conducted experiments, verifiably and reproducibly (as have countless others) that transform one kind of living thing into another. Really? The examples you have cited consist of variations on a theme. A fruit fly is still a fruit fly. A virus remains a virus. Different characteristics within the basic form of creature can certainly be expressed, and no one who is serious about biology would dispute that micro evolution occurs on a daily basis. Interesting. I really don't understand how you rationalize micro evolution on a daily basis but reject macro evolution over many, many millenia. (But again, variability within the genotype must already exist, no it doesn't. that is what mutations are all about. and the vast majority of mutations harm, rather than help, the affected creature agreed, but that has nothing to do with the variability of life on the planet. Only those mutations which confer a competitive advantage to an organism will be selected for. ) However, we observe in nature that only living things produce living things. No serious biologist believes in spontaneous generation. Well, I just took a poll of several of my biologist colleagues and 100 per cent do believe that spontaneous generation took place at least once, maybe more, on this planet. And we are only one of billions and billions of planets. To me the odds are in favor of spontaneous generation in the universe, we just happen to be one of those places where chemistry, temperature, etc are right for what we call life. The fossil record indicates that for a little over 3 billion years, all life on earth consisted of single celled organisms. Nobody can adequately explain how these life forms came to be. not to you apparently, but I and a lot of others don't have any problem. There are some vary provocative experiments going on with autocatalytic RNA Ediacaran fauna (these are globular life forms, for those not familiar with the term) show up 650 million years ago, and then, quite suddenly (with no hint of change in older fossils) the Cambrian explosion reveals all the basic anatomical life forms that we know in the oceans today. Believing that this change occurred by the mechanism of mutagenesis in only 120 million years (the difference in time between the appearance of ediacaran fauna and the Cambrian period) requires a great deal of faith to believe. Not really, 120 million years is a long time. Just look at the variability of dogs. Everything from teacup poodles to great danes are descended from wolves only a few thousand years ago. I recommend _In the blink of an eye_ by Andrew Parker. It is yet another explanation of the cambrian explosion. His position is that it was the evolution of photosensitivity that then resulted in an massive increase in ecological nitches which were filled through natural selection. The Ames assay depends on the conversion of a histidine dependent strain of Salmonella to non-dependence via mutagenesis. Undergraduates in genetics courses routinely manipulate the genome of fruit flies. No end of new kinds of critters, up to and including mammals, are available on a daily basis via directed mutagenesis. So you can change a mammal into a different kind of thing? Can you change an amphibian into a reptile, or a reptile into a bird? Even if this was possible, directed mutagenesis requires a certain amount of intelligence to manipulate the genome. It is not a random process that is observed in nature. Come on, lets not use that tired expression thing, The only place I see it used is among creationists. the difference between me and a bed bug is our genome. (and a scant difference it is) Even without human intervention, viruses are constantly dragging bits of DNA from one organism to another. New flu vaccines are needed on an annual basis because the viruses have mutated. But the viruses remain viruses, do they not? if the genome is different, they are different. Things like species, genera, etc are mearly arbitrary methods of organizing information. As to origins, I prefer Occam's razor. It is a lot easier for me to imagine thermodynamics for origins than belief in supernatural voodoo. Thermodynamics does not explain the origin of life. No experiment has ever successfully reproduced a living thing from something non living. Do you dispute this? Do you consider viruses living? As I recall the 5200 nucleotide sequence of the SV 40 virus has been assembled _in vitro_. And when placed in the proper environment proceeded to replicate. I further submit that more complex organisms will be created from whole cloth in the future as technology matures. Robert, your arguments beckon to the past vitalist theory I just don't need it to explain how the world goes 'round .
[Biofuel] Sheepletricks
The works of Lynn Margulis are an excellent source of up-to-date information on applied theory in genetic and biological transitioning research. But the viruses remain viruses, do they not? You might be surprised at the new information being presented. Peggy sheepletricks was Re: [Biofuel] about God robert luis rabello wrote and discussed with bob allen (But again, variability within the genotype must already exist, no it doesn't. that is what mutations are all about. P: Tinkering with the systems is showing some phenomenal results. Demonstrating the potential can offer lots of material for a good science fiction novel. and the vast majority of mutations harm, rather than help, the affected creature agreed, but that has nothing to do with the variability of life on the planet. Only those mutations which confer a competitive advantage to an organism will be selected for. P: Natures ability to change, adapt, and become something different is neither good nor bad. It is simply nature's way. ) However, we observe in nature that only living things produce living things. No serious biologist believes in spontaneous generation. Well, I just took a poll of several of my biologist colleagues and 100 per cent do believe that spontaneous generation took place at least once, maybe more, on this planet. And we are only one of billions and billions of planets. To me the odds are in favor of spontaneous generation in the universe, we just happen to be one of those places where chemistry, temperature, etc are right for what we call life. The fossil record indicates that for a little over 3 billion years, all life on earth consisted of single celled organisms. Nobody can adequately explain how these life forms came to be. P: Please remember the power of the attraction by the future and accept that as an impetus for change as well as looking to the past. History is always viewed through the eyes of interpretation through imagination. The future is imagined as well. Then as a co-creator, one can look to the best possible world and allow personal flexibility to accept change in behalf of the will-to-good. As to origins, I prefer Occam's razor. It is a lot easier for me to imagine thermodynamics for origins than belief in supernatural voodoo. P: You might also be surprised at the power of voodoo and prayer or any other force that impacts the causative prior to physical manifestation. Your esteemed scientists get their inspiration from somewhere. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] titration
La titration est grandement dependante sur la measure exacte d'huile dechet et d'alcohol Isopropyl. Aussi important est de garder la mixture au chaud dans un bain marie y ajoutant de l'eau chaude periodiquement. Ca aide a l'huile de ce melanger avec l'iso. Il y en a qui disent que l'iso a 70% fonctionne bien par contre moi j'utise le 99% obtenue chez une pharmacie en commande speciale de 24hrs. La lecture du PH est aussi important, et quand a moi ce fait mieux avec un element electronique. Il va sans le dire que ce dernier doit etre calibrer avant chaque utilisation. Ils sont disponible n'importe ou ou les aquarium a poison son vendus. Une titration d'une totalitee de 7.5gr/litre n'est pas pire, par contre ca pourait etre mieux (pour moi il est de 5gr/lt)mais au prix que ca coute on ne ce permet pas de se plaindre hein? On peut se procurer le KOH chez un fourniseur de produit chimique pour les ecoles et cegeps.A Laval Quebec il y en a un nomme Prolab Scientifique au 450-682.5118 ou 1-800-556.5226 tu demandes pour Mark.Ils ont tous les trucs electroniques aussi, quoique un peu cher mais de qualite. Quand a Moliere, il ce va sans dire qu'il a soufert le calvere, ce Moliere. Et que ses recit ne n'etais pas que des histoires en l'air, ce Moliere. Grand artisan de la langue de sa mere, ce Moliere Ce qui, en temps normal, lui servirait d'un aire, ce Moliere. Et avant de me faire envoyer en l'air, il faudrait mieux me taire. Luc PS: Merci pour tes mots d'encouragement sur mon projet bioD. And that ladies and germs will be the last time I will post uniquely in French as it is somewhat useless to those who do not speak it :) HOWEVER I may run an interpretation next time,ha! - Original Message - From: Aline/Robert [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 12, 2004 1:14 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] titration Hi Keith, bonjour Luc, the precipitate is kind of small beads of oil agglomerating as soon as I stop agitation, but big one at the end even with mixing. 3ml where added. ph strips used because electronic one give erratic results. Effectivement elles apparaissent quand j'arrete de mlanger. 8.5 est mon ph, 4 gr est ma titration + 3.5 me donne 7.5..qui doit tre plus acceptable:) je prsume. Il est bon de voir du francais, tant plus habile ds la langue de Molire..j'ai tellement de questions..j'en profite pr te demander si tu sais comment prparer une solution de phnol. je peux en avoir en poudre mais comment et avec quoi la mixer? ou trouve-t-on le KOH? gros bravo pr ton article/processeur qui saura en aider/motiver plus d'un! Thanks both, light begin to lit. Bob ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] about Godbot
On Fri, 12 Nov 2004, Peggy wrote: The essence of egg-o-ism drew the chicken unto itself and into a future probability as did the squawking joy of reverberating sound made by the chicken as she laid her first egg. Forevermore the sound of joyful laying of eggs shall disrupt hen houses followed by the cackle of remembrance Which brings us back to the AI-NLP problem and Godbot. Godbot would use natural language better than any human.Godbot would use perfect grammar in its NUI-GUI OS. Currently one of our computers just says Printing Ready when the printer activates. Godbot would say, Printing is ready With perfect grammar and more extensive vocabulary than any human, Godbot will then surpass human equivalency when it is compared to the most capable human on the planet. Godbot won't pass the Turing Test because we all know that homo sapiens is not that proficient. Godbot will be more infallible than the most infallible pope when it comes to catechism, ie religious answers to religious questions. Godbot will deliver better religious monologues than any tele-evangelist. Godbot will wave mechanically and tirelessly from the back of an open-topped car. Z ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] about God
probability as did the squawking joy of reverberating sound made by the chicken as she laid her first egg. Forevermore the sound of joyful laying of eggs shall disrupt hen houses followed by the cackle of remembrance--a feeling men will never know. Peggy Peggy, it's a nice story, but you're not really saying are you that we poor foolish males know nothing of the disruption of which you speak??? The rooster just crowed again (yeah, 4am again!), very timely (as well as punctual) - he knows a thing or two. So do I! LOL! Actually I don't believe I've heard joyful cluckings accompanying the laying of eggs. Usually there's no accompaniment, but if anything it sounds more like dismay. Which would figure. And once they're sitting on them they're nothing but grumpy, to anyone who comes near, especially another chicken. So much for the Great Sisterhood of Chickens. Anyway, I think Brian just established, didn't he, that chickens, as has been alleged, are nothing more than a plot by eggs to beget more eggs. BUT I think we've all missed the point when it comes to the creation of chickens and eggs, or shall we say the chicken-egg complex. The credit lies with the Indian agricultural geniuses of Long Ago who, along with much else (and not all of it so long ago), produced this wondrous gift to the world from a wild bird still to be found in the forests there. The I Ching says that man's work with nature that furthers nature's aims is the work that rewards him the best. Undoubtedly true - but the catch is to figure out quite what nature's aims might be and get it right, no simple matter. It takes a quiet mind. But I cannot imagine that nature was displeased with the outcome when it came to the chicken, nor with her creators. Regards Keith Hey Tim: In oreder to have a chicken one must then have to have a fertile egg right ? Ok, who insiminated the first egg? Ergo, Creation. The chicken came first. :) Actually, there was a non-chicken egg layer long before there was a chicken. Ergo, Evolution. The egg came first. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Fwd: vegetable oil small scale CHP
_ Sign up for eircom broadband now and get a free two month trial.* Phone 1850 73 00 73 or visit http://home.eircom.net/broadbandoffer Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: (vpopmail 94040 invoked by uid 16); 12 Nov 2004 19:16:26 + Received: (qmail 94035 messnum 1882514 invoked from network[159.134.237.83/webmail02.eircom.net]); 12 Nov 2004 19:16:26 - Received: from webmail02.eircom.net (HELO webmail.eircom.net) (159.134.237.83) by mail02.svc.cra.dublin.eircom.net (qp 94035) with SMTP; 12 Nov 2004 19:16:26 - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: vegetable oil small scale CHP Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 19:16:26 + Mime-Version: 1.0 Status: RO X-UIDL: 1100286986.94040.mail02.svc.cra.dublin.eircom.net,S=1211 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 159.134.148.194 X-Mailer: Eircom Net CRC Webmail (http://www.eircom.net/) Organization: Eircom Net (http://www.eircom.net/) hi all, came across this unit for co-gen from biodiesl biogas looks good, any-one translate German? NET Neue Energie Technik GmbH Moosstrasse 195 A - 5020 SALZBURG Tel. +43 662 828 729 - 0 Fax +43 662 828 729 - 60 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.neue-energie-technik.net don't die for dino, long life bio-fuel dD _ Sign up for eircom broadband now and get a free two month trial.* Phone 1850 73 00 73 or visit http://home.eircom.net/broadbandoffer ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] about God
I appreciate time-tested answers from learned thinkers. Paul Foster Case reports that nature unaided fails and that sub-consciousness is amiable to suggestion. The essence of egg-o-ism drew the chicken unto itself and into a future probability as did the squawking joy of reverberating sound made by the chicken as she laid her first egg. Forevermore the sound of joyful laying of eggs shall disrupt hen houses followed by the cackle of remembrance--a feeling men will never know. Keith: Peggy, it's a nice story, but you're not really saying are you that we poor foolish males know nothing of the disruption of which you speak??? P: Now, Keith... Yes, I was getting colorful and the innuendos are most definitely there. I would not refer to it as disruption--more like a combination of ecstasy and pain. K: The rooster just crowed again (yeah, 4am again!), very timely (as well as punctual) - he knows a thing or two. So do I! LOL! P: He too recalls his feelings. Ah Ha! Another PROOF!!! K: Anyway, I think Brian just established, didn't he, that chickens, as has been alleged, are nothing more than a plot by eggs to beget more eggs. P: That's a historical record. The future is open to change. K: BUT I think we've all missed the point when it comes to the creation of chickens and eggs, or shall we say the chicken-egg complex. The credit lies with the Indian agricultural geniuses of Long Ago who, along with much else (and not all of it so long ago), produced this wondrous gift to the world from a wild bird still to be found in the forests there. P: Ah--the cross-over beings. And we all want to be one of those--if not on this plane, then perhaps on another. K: The I Ching says that man's work with nature that furthers nature's aims is the work that rewards him the best. Undoubtedly true - but the catch is to figure out quite what nature's aims might be and get it right, no simple matter. It takes a quiet mind. P: Thank you for reminding us. And I believe that the quiet mind can be better understood by considering arbitrary definitions in Beta, Alpha, Theta, and Delta brain-wave activity. This concept relates directly to my beliefs. We find our intellectual reason in our beta and alpha states and many people on this forum relate most heavily to this state of mind which is evidenced in their philosophical bent. I believe that we find our creativity in theta states, and we find communication with the higher self in deep-theta and delta. The master of brain-wave frequency control can draw from more sources than are available to the intellect. Some people call it righteous prayer, some call it meditation. Names are arbitrary. The information received is what matters... And as a final note: It feels good to feel good. Best wishes, Peggy ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] washing water
help?? A) Recover your alcohol from the biodiesel prior to wash. Accomplished through evaporation/distillation. B) Recover your soap fraction from the gray water. Accomplished by treating the waste water with magnesium or aluminum sulfate. C) Reduce the concentration of gray wter per square foot. (Dilution is the solution to polution?) D) Reduce the frequency of gray water application to any particular surface area. E) Check the pH of your soils. Gray water can lower soil pH and inhibit the ability of foliage to uptake nutrients, creating susceptibility to disease and harsh weather conditions. Hydrated lime would be a quick pH adjuster, both for soil and gray water. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 12, 2004 11:27 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] washing water has anyone had the wash water tested?? and will to provide those results to the rest of us?? I know that wash water will kill grass and weeds very well, when using sodium instead of potassium. i want to know what i can do to make it less toxic to the grass. any help?? thanks challeng71 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
