RE: [Biofuel] CAFE vs ANWR
I completely agree that ANWR oil will not help most of us, and that increasing CAF requirements, and/or other conservation measures, would be much more effective. But I think the American public is just being sold the ANWR drilling plan as a way to "foster independence from foreign oil". That is just a palatable spin to convince us itâs a good idea. Don't look at it as a way to incrementally decrease foreign oil purchases, look at it as a way to lock in a local supply for "critical" needs in a few years, when maybe our foreign partners can't or won't sell us what we want. Then 1 million barrels a day will look pretty good, when the line at the pump includes Air Force One, military vehicles, ships, aircraft, maybe police and fire...you know, you can make the list, and you can bet most of us will NOT be on it. So I see ANWR oil fitting in nicely to help fill the "needs" of the government, NOT as a way to increase retail supply or reduce retail prices. But people might not support it if they thought that was the case. >President Bush clearly believes that drilling in the Arctic National >Wildlife Reserve is a good way to foster independence from foreign oil. >According to FOX NEWS, the President recently said "We could recover >more than 10 billion barrels of oil from a small corner of ANWR ... We >can now reach all of ANWR's oil by drilling on just 2,000 acres. >Developing a small section of ANWR would not only create new jobs but >would reduce our dependence on foreign oil by up to a million barrels a >day." ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Swamp gas bus
Swamp gas (uncompressed) bus in Zigong photo http://www.bikechina.com/photosc15.html ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] glycerin blocks
Can you make glycerin blocks from non gelling glycerin? I have about 20 gallons of liquid glycerin and about 5 Gal. that gelled. Jeremy ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] CAFE vs ANWR
That's a interesting point. The USA needs to guzzle petroleum to support the US gov't incorporated national interests and preemptive wars of the future with major support from its consuming public. > John Freeman wrote: > I completely agree that ANWR oil will not help most of us, and that > increasing CAF requirements, and/or other conservation measures, would be > much more effective. But I think the American public is just being sold the > ANWR drilling plan as a way to "foster independence from foreign oil". That > is just a palatable spin to convince us itâs a good idea. > > Don't look at it as a way to incrementally decrease foreign oil purchases, > look at it as a way to lock in a local supply for "critical" needs in a few > years, when maybe our foreign partners can't or won't sell us what we want. > Then 1 million barrels a day will look pretty good, when the line at the > pump includes Air Force One, military vehicles, ships, aircraft, maybe > police and fire...you know, you can make the list, and you can bet most of > us will NOT be on it. > > So I see ANWR oil fitting in nicely to help fill the "needs" of the > government, NOT as a way to increase retail supply or reduce retail prices. > But people might not support it if they thought that was the case. > >President Bush clearly believes that drilling in the Arctic National > >Wildlife Reserve is a good way to foster independence from foreign oil. > >According to FOX NEWS, the President recently said "We could recover > >more than 10 billion barrels of oil from a small corner of ANWR ... We > >can now reach all of ANWR's oil by drilling on just 2,000 acres. > >Developing a small section of ANWR would not only create new jobs but > >would reduce our dependence on foreign oil by up to a million barrels a > >day." ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] doubt to the members
Dr.S.Paulraj [EMAIL PROTECTED] Can anybody solve our problem? we started an experimental biogas unit 1m3 size to find out the value of deoiled cake of pongamia seed. When we started replacing the cow dung with deoiled cake, we not only see slow production of gas but also the gas produced in not burning. probably some other gas is produced. What is the problem in our experiment?? __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] CAFE vs ANWR
Hoagy, Do not forget the even larger and faster savings that can be done by going the route of Europe. This apart the fact that it is also from production point, easier and efficient to move to biodiesel than to ethanol. Diesel engine, as a "ready for use" energy saving technology. by Hakan Falk at Energy Saving Now. http://energysavingnow.com/biofuels/dieseltech.shtml EU has made the diesel engine a part of the energy policies. A very determined immediate switch to this policies, could save US about the production from 2 to 3 ANWR within 10 years. If it is then combined with a move from SUVs to smaller and better vehicles, another 5 ANWR is achievable within the 10 years period. Put president Carter's energy plan in effect and it is another 5 ANWR, within the 10 years period. Maybe it is also possible to develop a much better energy plan, for the long term. US need to put itself on war footing, not with the military and against any 3rd party, but against itself and the energy waste. The "ready for use" weapons are many and what is missing is only the political decisions. If Bush and the republicans do not see the light, the next US election will be an "energy election". Hakan At 07:46 AM 3/20/2005, you wrote: That's a interesting point. The USA needs to guzzle petroleum to support the US gov't incorporated national interests and preemptive wars of the future with major support from its consuming public. > John Freeman wrote: > I completely agree that ANWR oil will not help most of us, and that > increasing CAF requirements, and/or other conservation measures, would be > much more effective. But I think the American public is just being sold the > ANWR drilling plan as a way to "foster independence from foreign oil". That > is just a palatable spin to convince us itâs a good idea. > > Don't look at it as a way to incrementally decrease foreign oil purchases, > look at it as a way to lock in a local supply for "critical" needs in a few > years, when maybe our foreign partners can't or won't sell us what we want. > Then 1 million barrels a day will look pretty good, when the line at the > pump includes Air Force One, military vehicles, ships, aircraft, maybe > police and fire...you know, you can make the list, and you can bet most of > us will NOT be on it. > > So I see ANWR oil fitting in nicely to help fill the "needs" of the > government, NOT as a way to increase retail supply or reduce retail prices. > But people might not support it if they thought that was the case. > >President Bush clearly believes that drilling in the Arctic National > >Wildlife Reserve is a good way to foster independence from foreign oil. > >According to FOX NEWS, the President recently said "We could recover > >more than 10 billion barrels of oil from a small corner of ANWR ... We > >can now reach all of ANWR's oil by drilling on just 2,000 acres. > >Developing a small section of ANWR would not only create new jobs but > >would reduce our dependence on foreign oil by up to a million barrels a > >day." ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] CAFE vs ANWR
I always figured that the smarter move security wise for the USA was to purchase our petroleum needs from others as long as they willing to sell it and we afford it, saving our reserves for future use. The promotion of conservation would be a wise security move as well, I agree. Silly me the money is made from sales, not conservation, why would corporatism embrace conservation? Doug, N0LKK [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] CAFE vs ANWR
> I always figured that the smarter move security wise for the USA was to purchase our petroleum needs from others < Since the first oil supply troubles in the 50s the US has been careful to keep oil in reserve and considering the amount of oil used by the US it claims to have at least 3 months supply stored. Some people think it is much more, up to 6 months. It you take into account the large number still capped but unused wells the US, there is no fear of going short for years if oil use was regulated. They called it rationing when we had it here in the UK. Chris. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.4 - Release Date: 18/03/2005 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] CAFE vs ANWR
I always figured that the smarter move security wise for the USA was to purchase our petroleum needs from others as long as they willing to sell it and we afford it, saving our reserves for future use. Oil is fungible commodity. This idea that we are somehow using up "their" oil now while saving "our" oil for a later date is flawed. The oil will flow to the highest bidder, period. And even if we could restrict ANWR oil to the US only, at current usage rates, we'd burn through the whole lot of it in in 6 months. So implement rationing you say? Don't you think being limited to X gallons a week will be much less painful if we're all driving cars that get 40 mpg instead of 27.5mpg? But anyway, oil isn't just gonna magically run out one day at which point we tap into ANWR and say "oh well, time to conserve." Instead, the situation we're in is like frog soup: you put a flog into a pan of cold water and slowy turn up the heat. The heat increases so slowly the frog never jumps out of the pan. Result? One cooked frog. Drilling in ANWR is like throwing a couple of ice cubes in the pan while I'm advocating turning down the heat. The promotion of conservation would be a wise security move as well, I agree. Silly me the money is made from sales, not conservation, why would corporatism embrace conservation? Doug, that's exactly the point of my analysis. The car companies will *never* increase efficiency unless the regulatory environment forces them to. Instead, they build minivans that have more power than a 20 year old muscle car. People today think 30 mpg is "good" - my beater 1986 Golf got 30 mpg. But energy is clearly a national security issue, and has been for at least the last 30 years. We're repeatedly told that 9/11 "changed everything", so why is it business as usual? All that having been said, I could support ANWR drilling *if* it was part of a total energy plan that included more efficient use and an aggressive renewable energy standard. But ANWR in isolation is a bandaid jh at best. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
