Re: [Biofuel] Fryer Rice Oil for SVO
What was I saying yesterday about the powers-that-be taking biofuels issues seriously (not!)? Despite all the friendly-sounding grunting noises. They don't take any of the dispersed, sustainable, renewable, energy options seriously because to them it's all about power, centralized control and profit at any cost, not a sustainable energy future. This shouldn't come as much of a surprise; corporations have no conscience, they're a facade that unscrupulous individuals can hide behind and do things they personally know to be dishonest and unethical. m-- ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Jelled ethanol with charcoal and cellulose
Greeting to our dynamic leader of our list , Keith Thank you for your quick reply Because we have used vegetable oil , all going here as waste, we are interested in this to make solid gel fuel.How to do so is the real question .Some one can give new ideas as our group is really very big and have expert in this field. Cellulose powder can absorb oil and hence can help to be mixed with the gel.solid that have been already made as solid mixing is not the problems, but the .liquid mixing is the problems. Eventhough solubility of vegetable oil is good , this may or may not allow the gel formation .Only practical experiments can do the help. sd Pannir Selvam On 4/29/05, Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Greetings Pannir Greeting Keith Is it possivel to make use in a considerable small amout of the used waste cooked vegetable oil to make jellified ethanol fuel sd PannirSelvam How so? If you mix them you just get a more viscous liquid mixture, not a gel, and it wouldn't burn as well, lower flashpoint, more oily flame. Sorry, Pan, I think I don't quite understand your question. Could you explain please? If I remember correctly from some tests we did a couple of years ago, up to about 22% ethanol will mix with vegetable oil, I'm not sure how much oil will mix in ethanol. Hydrogenated oil would just liquify, wouldn't it? Regards Keith On 4/27/05, Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thankyou Hoagy, that's great! Chalk and vinegar, sunshine and moonshine. Keith Some other jelled gelled alcohol ideas -- Zen Gelled Alcohol Stoves - Sterno-like Stoves Jelled/Gelled Alcohol http://zenstoves.net/Sterno.htm Extreme do it yourselfers can make their own gelled fuel at home with alcohol and calcium acetate (C4H6CaO4). Either methanol or ethanol can be used for fuel. Calcium acetate (C4H6CaO4) can be purchased or made by slowly dissolving calcium carbonate (eggshells or chalk) in vinegar, filtering, and allowing to dry. If you are new to chemistry take a look at this high school science project page. Chemical Reactions and Solid Fuel http://www.montvilleschools.org/highschool/science/edorff/chemistry/fu elslab.htm A solid camping fuel like Sterno was discovered several years ago when a group of campers forgot to pack fuel for their camp stove. Because the area prohibited use of campfires, the campers needed to use an alternative fuel source. One of the campers made a gel that they could use as a solid fuel. To make this gel, chalk was crushed and mixed with vinegar. The resulting mixture was filtered through a napkin and the liquid collected was heated using a solar reflector. Some rubbing alcohol was poured into the solution to form a gel which burned. Step 1: Reaction between chalk (calcium carbonate) and vinegar (acetic acid, dilute) to produce carbon dioxide, water and calcium acetate . . . Step 2: Filtration of unreacted chalk from the mixture to leave a solution of calcium acetate in water . . . Step 3: Removal of excess water from calcium acetate solution . . . Step 4: Mixing alcohol with calcium acetate to form fuel . . . Step 5: Combustion of fuel produced . . . Step 6: Evaluation of fuels produced . . . [more] Baking Bread (And Other Recipes) With An Alcohol Stove http://trailquest.net/baking.html Cloudwalker's Homemade Alcohol Stove http://www.cloudwalkersatpage.com/page014.html The Gelled Alcohol Stove Fuel - Calcium Acetate http://wings.interfree.it/html/Gelalcohol.html Keith Addison wrote: This is from a previous message on ethanol gel: Mix 11 grams of Calcium Acetate with 30 mg of water. Make sure all the Calcium Acetate is dissolved, this might take an hour of occasional stirring. Measure 10 mg of the solution. Slowly add 40 mg of ethanol. As you add the ethanol, the mixture should gel instantly. Pour off any remaining ethanol (a very small amount). Because the mixture gels instantly, you do not have to combine the two until you need to use it for cooking. I made some Calcium Acetate by neutralizing acetic acid with lime. Works well, gels immediately, burns very nicely, but it's not very stable, best to make it when you need it. This way, since it's bioduels in the Third World rural development setting that we're most interested in, everything required is probably available locally, or could be. Ethanol can be brewed on-site (and probably is already), even if it's not absolute; acetic acid can be brewed the same way, by aerating the mash, and agricultural lime is fairly ubiquitous. ___ Biofuel mailing
Re: [Biofuel] Fryer Rice Oil for SVO
This shouldn't come as much of a surprise; corporations have no conscience, they're a facade that unscrupulous individuals can hide behind and do things they personally know to be dishonest and unethical. m-- Corporations also allow a small business person operate without risking losing their house, 25-year old car, and fairly expensive bird-watching binos in our litigious society. I have two: one that owns my restaurant, one that owns the property. If someone sues me because they fell down in the parking lot, I am protected. If they sue me because they choked on a coke, I am protected. I will lose the business, but not my home and car. Everything is not exactly black and white, now is it? Chris Kueny President Westside Subs, Inc ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Fryer Rice Oil for SVO
correction: large multinational corporations have no conscience, they're a facade that unscrupulous individuals can hide behind and do things they personally know to be dishonest and unethical. m-- Corporations also allow a small business person operate without risking losing their house, 25-year old car, and fairly expensive bird-watching binos in our litigious society. I have two: one that owns my restaurant, one that owns the property. If someone sues me because they fell down in the parking lot, I am protected. If they sue me because they choked on a coke, I am protected. I will lose the business, but not my home and car. Everything is not exactly black and white, now is it? Chris Kueny Your point is valid. I thought we were referring to large multinational energy corporations, I should have ben more specific with my allegations. m-- President Westside Subs, Inc ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ..-. ..- -.-. -.--.-. . -. ... --- .-. ... .. .--. N'attribuez jamais la mchancet cela qui est en juste proportion expliqu par l'incomptence. N. Bonaparte --.- ..- . ... - .. --- -. .- ..- - --- .-. .. - -.-- ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] 1995 Chevrolet 6.5 litre Turbo-Diesel - Opinions
I looked at one for sale but found a lot of blowby in the crankcase (compression loss around cylinder walls resulting in pressure in the crankcase) The dealer had removed the tube from the PCV valve and there was oily smoke blowing out. I couldnt get in my car fast enough! These engines are real workhorses, and I was told about a few bugs. One is a sensor mounted on the injector pump is prone to failure due to the high heat.A relocation kit is available. Also, there is a cooling system design flaw that has certain parts of the engine overheating. A retrokit is available that includes 2 thermostats and a newer designed water pump, usually sold on ebay. I cant say about running them on biodiesel, but I also would like to know, as I plan on a conversion as soon as I buy a truck - Original Message - From: Darryl McMahon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 6:21 PM Subject: [Biofuel] 1995 Chevrolet 6.5 litre Turbo-Diesel - Opinions I have a line on a diesel pickup truck, which I naturally want to run on biodiesel. I have a few things to look at by way of research tomorrow. The archives seem inconclusive on this engine - vaguely in favour (thread including message 9021 and others). I will also be reading at www.thedieselpage.com and at least one other site I have bookmarked. However, for now, does anyone have experience with these engines, especially on biodiesel? Any issues? Success? Thanks in advance. -- Darryl McMahon http://www.econogics.com/ It's your planet. If you won't look after it, who will? ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Minnesota E20
Ethanol QA: How will E20 affect your car, the environment? Robert Franklin, Star Tribune April 29, 2005 http://www.startribune.com/stories/462/5375682.html Both houses of the Legislature have passed bills that could require 20 percent ethanol content -- double the current requirement -- in gasoline sold in Minnesota by 2013. A conference committee is to reconcile differences between Senate and House bills. Here are some questions and answers raised by the issue: Will this affect my car's performance? The change would result in a 3.5 percent loss in engine energy, said Bruce Jones, professor and director of the Minnesota Center for Automotive Research at Minnesota State University, Mankato. Flint Hills Resources, operator of a Rosemount refinery, told the House Agriculture and Rural Development Committee that it could be in the range of 6 to 10 percent, said Craig Clark, committee administrator. Jones said a yearlong test of 16 unmodified vehicles running on 30 percent ethanol showed no driveability problems and no fuel system component failures. Will fuel prices drop? Yes, more than enough to offset any energy loss, Clark said. He pointed to American Lung Association surveys in March that showed disparities as great as $1.499 for E85 fuel (85 percent ethanol) to $2.099 for unleaded regular gasoline. What about small engines? An Australian government study found a significant loss of power in E20, but only in engines operated at well above their rated speed. The House bill was amended to seek an opinion from the U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission on whether E20 will create a hazard for motorcycles, outboard motors, snowmobiles and other machines with small engines. Will E20 void my car warranty? That's a private contract, but E20 must be approved by the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency before it is required, and Clark said he thinks manufacturers would be hard-pressed to withhold warranties in such a case. Will non-ethanol gasoline still be available? Yes, for cars more than 20 years old. What's the economic effect? Fourteen Minnesota ethanol plants produced 400 million gallons last year, supporting 5,300 jobs and generating $1.35 billion in economic activity, Clark said. Obviously, that would increase, and more plants are planned. Corn prices are 10 cents a bushel higher in areas with an ethanol plant, he said. What about environmental effects? Cars burning E20 should show small reductions in carbon monoxide, carbon dioxide and greenhouse emissions, slight increases in nitrous oxides and formaldehydes, Clark said. However, Rep. Michael Paymar, DFL-St. Paul, argued that there's significant evidence that ethanol doesn't reduce carbon monoxide but produces carcinogens and smog. Clark said ethanol produces 67 percent more energy than it takes to produce, while gasoline produces 20 percent less than production energy. Rep. Frank Hornstein, DFL-Minneapolis, argued that a trend toward coal-burning ethanol plants would harm the environment. Other arguments? E20 will reduce dependence on foreign oil and promote rural development, say proponents such as Rep. Greg Davids, R-Preston, the bill's chief House sponsor. But it's a subsidized boondoggle, said Paymar. The industry can stand on its own. A state subsidy, which started at 20 cents a gallon, has been reduced to 13 cents and will be phased out in time, Clark said. Different versions of the bill were passed 91-43 Wednesday by the House and 54-12 earlier by the Senate. Gov. Tim Pawlenty has made the bill a priority. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Ethanol and NASCAR ?
Senators Urge NASCAR Officials to Switch to Ethanol USAgNet 04/29/2005 http://www.wisconsinagconnection.com/story-national.cfm?Id=452yr=2005 U.S. Senator Jim Talent (R-Mo.), co-chair of the Senate Biofuels Caucus, sent a letter to NASCAR CEO Brian France urging him to switch from leaded fuel to unleaded gasoline blended with ethanol for the NEXTEL Cup Series. Sen. Talent sent the letter with fellow co-chairs of the Biofuels Caucus: Senators Tom Harkin (D-Iowa), Norm Coleman (R-Minn.) and Blanche Lincoln (D-Ark.). The benefits of ethanol use to NASCAR include: enhanced engine performance with reduced vehicle emissions; replaces lead, a known neurotoxin; demonstrates NASCAR's commitment to America; and it's available to consumers nationwide, the senators wrote. Sen. Talent's request comes on the heels of last month's announcement that starting in 2006 ethanol will be used to power the IndyCar Series, including the Indianapolis 500. Sen. Talent and others encouraged the Indy Racing League (IRL) for two years to switch from methanol to ethanol. The National Hot Rod Association and the International Hot Rod Association sanction the use of ethanol. Sen. Talent said he is hopeful NASCAR will move quickly to make the switch. --- Harkin Urges NASCAR to swith to cleaner burning ethanol Writes to NASCAR CEO to follow lead of Indy Racing League in promoting renewable fuels April 28, 2005 http://harkin.senate.gov/news.cfm?id=237109 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] world oil situation
You might want to have a look at this excellent presentation on the world oil situation. m-- http://www.solar-ltd.com/presentations/english.pps Perhaps I'm just feeling optimistic, but I believe that this world oil situation is going to negatively impact most on the global corporations and their national government concubines. the little people at the grass roots level who are smart enough to start working now to secure their own dispersed, renewable energy supplies will do just fine and actually prosper. The problem might be it's own solution. m-- ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Fryer Rice Oil for SVO
Hello Keith, Thanks for all the helpful information. What a sin that so much waste of resource is going on. I will post what I find when I titrate the rice oil. It's also very helpful to get the info on the Elsbett kit. I did speak to a mechanic in Sonoma County, CA, who is using Neoteric components, he has been the only mechanic so far who spoke about the injector and glow plug issues with SVO conversions. So much to learn. It's wonderful to have such a terrific site and community to help in the process! I will pass the information on. Take care, Frieda - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 1:42 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Fryer Rice Oil for SVO Hi Frieda Interesting - this is the first time (in five years) that I encounter used rice oil here. Yet (from a previous message): It has been estimated that 700 000 t per year of rice bran oil could be extracted from the 20% world paddy production currently processed in two-stage mills. So 80% - equivalent to 2,800,000 tons - gets wasted because more efficient single-stage milling mixes the bran with the hulls. Even the 20% makes 231 million gallons a year, another 924 million gallons in the other 80%. And the bran also contains 40-50% soluble carbohydrates, for ethanol. That's the wasted potential with only current production methods. (Which could easily be doubled, while cutting inputs down by 80% or more, including fossil-fuel inputs...) What was I saying yesterday about the powers-that-be taking biofuels issues seriously (not!)? Despite all the friendly-sounding grunting noises. Hello All, I am collecting used rice oil from a local burger joint to use in my (hopefully soon to be found) SVO converted vehicle. The oil is fairly clean, smells really nice (not at all rancid), There's an enzyme in it that acidifies the oil - FFA levels rise fast, up to 30% from an initial 3%. So it has to be processed quickly, which stabilises it I suppose. Try titrating it, that will tell you what you need to know. and has remained liquid in temps down to at least 40F. Should go lower than that. I have not found much information about rice oil, including what its iodine value is, 90 - 110. or if it is a good oil to use. Not much information on rice oil at journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_yield.html, that I came across. Also, I am interested in people's experiences with different SVO conversions. Likely I will end up with a MBZ 300D wagon. Each person I speak to proclaims the system they use to be more efficient than the other. Is there anyone out there who can compare the commercially available kits, their pros and cons? Which is the best system to install for use in Northern California. Elsbett. See: http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_svo.html Straight vegetable oil as diesel fuel Don't get some two-tank system that probably has copper parts in it and all it does is pre-heat the oil to lower the viscosity, there's a lot more to it than that, even with a Merc. Our SVO page is currently being revised. It was three years ago that I first uploaded it, and it's been revised and added to regularly since then, but more information has emerged on just what is required to run an engine on SVO successfully. We don't any longer recommend simple two-tank systems that only pre-heat the oil. As Niels Ans¿ of the Folkecenter in Denmark said recently: The secret is injector and glow plugs, increased injection pressure, + afterglow and good quality rape seed oil. Or at least good quality oil, if not rapeseed. Special injectors, special glow-plugs, adjustments to the injector pump, electronic controls that keep the glow-plugs on and the heaters heating until a certain fuel temperature is reached. The only such system available in the US and internationally is Elsbett, and IMO it's the best system anyway - Elsbett has been deeply involved in this business for a long time, 30 years and more. No switching fuel from one tank to the other once it's finally warmed up enough, no purging before you switch off (or forgetting to) - switch on and go, stop and switch off, SVO, biodiesel or petro-diesel, in any combination. Best wishes Keith Addison Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/ Thanks, Frieda ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Life after the oil crash
A very engaging and sobering evaluation of the inevitable future we must come to grips with very soon. http://www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.net Life After the Oil Crash Deal with Reality, or Reality will Deal with You ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Re: Life after the oil crash
A very engaging and sobering evaluation of the inevitable future we must come to grips with very soon. http://www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.net Life After the Oil Crash Deal with Reality, or Reality will Deal with You Too true, the last bit. Otherwise... yawn. Yawn on two counts: for the book itself, and because we've had it all before, a couple of times. Eg.: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/41284/1 Re: [Biofuel] Peak Oil Cosmic Questions No harm in posting it again, but: List resources Please make use of the resources listed at the Biofuel list home page: http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Especially the searchable list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ The archives contains more than 38,000 [45,000 now] messages over nearly five years. The question you want to ask or the topic you're interested in has probably already been covered. That's no reason not to ask it again, but if you know what's gone before you'll ask a better question and get better answers. -- From: List rules http://wwia.org/pipermail/biofuel/Week-of-Mon-20040906/05.html Keith Addison Journey to Forever KYOTO Pref., Japan http://journeytoforever.org/ Biofuel list owner ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Re: Life after the oil crash
I only posted this one because it's a somewhat different perspective than what you have posted in your resources section, especially if you take the effort to read the 2nd page. It's a lot more realistic, but if that bores you that's OK too. It's your list; you decide what's important, or not... m-- mike wrote: A very engaging and sobering evaluation of the inevitable future we must come to grips with very soon. http://www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.net Life After the Oil Crash Deal with Reality, or Reality will Deal with You Too true, the last bit. Otherwise... yawn. Yawn on two counts: for the book itself, and because we've had it all before, a couple of times. Eg.: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/41284/1 Re: [Biofuel] Peak Oil Cosmic Questions No harm in posting it again, but: List resources Please make use of the resources listed at the Biofuel list home page: http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Especially the searchable list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ The archives contains more than 38,000 [45,000 now] messages over nearly five years. The question you want to ask or the topic you're interested in has probably already been covered. That's no reason not to ask it again, but if you know what's gone before you'll ask a better question and get better answers. -- From: List rules http://wwia.org/pipermail/biofuel/Week-of-Mon-20040906/05.html Keith Addison Journey to Forever KYOTO Pref., Japan http://journeytoforever.org/ Biofuel list owner ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Bush on matter - a thousand points of light
Message: 12 Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 11:11:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Redler [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mike, you wrote: ..So, where am I going with this? I was just thinking, wouldn't it be exciting to have alliances that form within all communities in a way that replaces dependence on the Dollar, oil, utilities, etc., with knowledge and materials that are traded among you and your peers? I would be very excited to see this noble idea actually used as something other than propaganda, to keep back the interests of big money and the ruling class, from where the author came. If I understand you correctly you are referring to bartering and yes, we businesses do already barter. I'll design this for you in exchange for you providing that for me and no money gets exchanged. As you know, we report the value of these exchanges on our income taxes so we are still tied to the almighty dollar. By the way, in the larger picture (the community as you refer to it) the barter chain may be much longer. I need this and you need that and we go through several more businesses to get to what we need. Dan Crandall ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Re: Life after the oil crash
production would fail to keep pace with demand... ...back in 1798. Seriously, even if cheap oil runs out, we are not heading toward some Malthusian crisis, because end of the world types since Malthus have ignored that ability of human beings to innovate when faced with an incentive to do so. The earth is not a closed system energywise - the sun pumps a metric assload of energy into the system every single day. As long as we can figure out an energy source that is net positive, we'll be fine. And guess what, both ethanol and biodiesel are net postive. Here's a novel idea - we'll run the tractors to harvest the crops on the biodiesel we make with the crops. Anyway, will the shift away from cheap fossil fuels cause economic disruption? Certainly. But we aren't all heading toward a Mad Max-esque dystopia where we fight over cans of dog food either. And just for the record, it isn't Keith's list to decide what's important, or not... Rather, your post was poorly received because we've because we've dealt with this meretricious crap before, hence Keith's pointer to the archive. Specifically, both the issue of ethanol energy balance and arable land have been repeatedly addressed on the list. Yet, sites like after the oil crash continue their worthless scaremongering. jh mike wrote: I only posted this one because it's a somewhat different perspective than what you have posted in your resources section, especially if you take the effort to read the 2nd page. It's a lot more realistic, but if that bores you that's OK too. It's your list; you decide what's important, or not... m-- mike wrote: A very engaging and sobering evaluation of the inevitable future we must come to grips with very soon. http://www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.net Life After the Oil Crash Deal with Reality, or Reality will Deal with You Too true, the last bit. Otherwise... yawn. Yawn on two counts: for the book itself, and because we've had it all before, a couple of times. Eg.: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/41284/1 Re: [Biofuel] Peak Oil Cosmic Questions No harm in posting it again, but: List resources Please make use of the resources listed at the Biofuel list home page: http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Especially the searchable list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ The archives contains more than 38,000 [45,000 now] messages over nearly five years. The question you want to ask or the topic you're interested in has probably already been covered. That's no reason not to ask it again, but if you know what's gone before you'll ask a better question and get better answers. -- From: List rules http://wwia.org/pipermail/biofuel/Week-of-Mon-20040906/05.html Keith Addison Journey to Forever KYOTO Pref., Japan http://journeytoforever.org/ Biofuel list owner ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ -- John E Hayes, M.S. Instructor, Dietetics Program, DIET 203 / DIET 215 Doctoral Student, Nutritional Sciences University of Connecticut - 326 Koons Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] / 860.486.0007 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Re: Life after the oil crash
Mike, John is pointing out something important, if you take Keith suggestions to follow up on discussions on this list during the last 2 years, you will learn a lot from them about the depletion issues and the real situation. I think that the members of this list have a strong feeling of that it is their forum and if you want their list. It is the first time I have seen a suggestion that it would be Keith list. He is a extremely good moderator, who work very hard on making discussions worth while, by pointing the participants to sources of information and knowledge. The article you referred and similar views have been discussed many times, even if it rapidly becomes obvious with a little bit of common sense, how, as John says, Mad Max influenced it is. You take away 80% of the base of the story by pointing out that US only have 4% of the world population. US might have an enormous fire power to destroy and kill, but nearly no resources to occupy and control. The latter is what is necessary to make any material gains from the fire power. A democratic world would actually be a contradiction to the best interest of US, who in the past had better control by supporting right wing dictatorships. A much welcomed misunderstanding by Bush, who is set on dismantling the web of US created right wing governments over the last 50 years, no wonder that he actually belive that the French have no word for entrepreneur. LOL (I was laughing for at least half an hour when I heard that and many times I have repeated attacks only thinking about it) This talents goes in the family , they would have a great future as stand up comedians. I was thinking of that GWB's brother Jeb said, when visiting Spain, that he was delighted to be in the Republic of Spain. This even despite that the King of Spain was one of those who welcomed him. Hakan At 02:45 PM 5/1/2005, you wrote: Thomas Malthus called. He points out that he already predicted production would fail to keep pace with demand... ...back in 1798. Seriously, even if cheap oil runs out, we are not heading toward some Malthusian crisis, because end of the world types since Malthus have ignored that ability of human beings to innovate when faced with an incentive to do so. The earth is not a closed system energywise - the sun pumps a metric assload of energy into the system every single day. As long as we can figure out an energy source that is net positive, we'll be fine. And guess what, both ethanol and biodiesel are net postive. Here's a novel idea - we'll run the tractors to harvest the crops on the biodiesel we make with the crops. Anyway, will the shift away from cheap fossil fuels cause economic disruption? Certainly. But we aren't all heading toward a Mad Max-esque dystopia where we fight over cans of dog food either. And just for the record, it isn't Keith's list to decide what's important, or not... Rather, your post was poorly received because we've because we've dealt with this meretricious crap before, hence Keith's pointer to the archive. Specifically, both the issue of ethanol energy balance and arable land have been repeatedly addressed on the list. Yet, sites like after the oil crash continue their worthless scaremongering. jh mike wrote: I only posted this one because it's a somewhat different perspective than what you have posted in your resources section, especially if you take the effort to read the 2nd page. It's a lot more realistic, but if that bores you that's OK too. It's your list; you decide what's important, or not... m-- mike wrote: A very engaging and sobering evaluation of the inevitable future we must come to grips with very soon. http://www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.net Life After the Oil Crash Deal with Reality, or Reality will Deal with You Too true, the last bit. Otherwise... yawn. Yawn on two counts: for the book itself, and because we've had it all before, a couple of times. Eg.: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/41284/1 Re: [Biofuel] Peak Oil Cosmic Questions No harm in posting it again, but: List resources Please make use of the resources listed at the Biofuel list home page: http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Especially the searchable list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ The archives contains more than 38,000 [45,000 now] messages over nearly five years. The question you want to ask or the topic you're interested in has probably already been covered. That's no reason not to ask it again, but if you know what's gone before you'll ask a better question and get better answers. -- From: List rules http://wwia.org/pipermail/biofuel/Week-of-Mon-20040906/05.html Keith Addison Journey to Forever KYOTO Pref., Japan http://journeytoforever.org/ Biofuel list owner -- John E Hayes, M.S. Instructor, Dietetics Program, DIET 203 / DIET 215 Doctoral Student, Nutritional Sciences University of Connecticut - 326 Koons Hall [EMAIL
Re: [Biofuel] Fryer Rice Oil for SVO
Hello Keith, Thanks for all the helpful information. You're most welcome, glad it helps. What a sin that so much waste of resource is going on. A sin indeed, and barely even the tip of the iceberg. But there's still time to mend our ways, even this late in the game. I will post what I find when I titrate the rice oil. Yes please. It's also very helpful to get the info on the Elsbett kit. I did speak to a mechanic in Sonoma County, CA, who is using Neoteric components, he has been the only mechanic so far who spoke about the injector and glow plug issues with SVO conversions. I think there's a lot more awareness of that in Europe. But then they do have a big headstart on the US. So much to learn. Yes! But it's not as difficult now as it was. It's wonderful to have such a terrific site and community to help in the process! It's good of you to say so, thankyou. I will pass the information on. Take care, Frieda And you Frieda. Best wishes Keith - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 1:42 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Fryer Rice Oil for SVO Hi Frieda Interesting - this is the first time (in five years) that I encounter used rice oil here. Yet (from a previous message): It has been estimated that 700 000 t per year of rice bran oil could be extracted from the 20% world paddy production currently processed in two-stage mills. So 80% - equivalent to 2,800,000 tons - gets wasted because more efficient single-stage milling mixes the bran with the hulls. Even the 20% makes 231 million gallons a year, another 924 million gallons in the other 80%. And the bran also contains 40-50% soluble carbohydrates, for ethanol. That's the wasted potential with only current production methods. (Which could easily be doubled, while cutting inputs down by 80% or more, including fossil-fuel inputs...) What was I saying yesterday about the powers-that-be taking biofuels issues seriously (not!)? Despite all the friendly-sounding grunting noises. Hello All, I am collecting used rice oil from a local burger joint to use in my (hopefully soon to be found) SVO converted vehicle. The oil is fairly clean, smells really nice (not at all rancid), There's an enzyme in it that acidifies the oil - FFA levels rise fast, up to 30% from an initial 3%. So it has to be processed quickly, which stabilises it I suppose. Try titrating it, that will tell you what you need to know. and has remained liquid in temps down to at least 40F. Should go lower than that. I have not found much information about rice oil, including what its iodine value is, 90 - 110. or if it is a good oil to use. Not much information on rice oil at journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_yield.html, that I came across. Also, I am interested in people's experiences with different SVO conversions. Likely I will end up with a MBZ 300D wagon. Each person I speak to proclaims the system they use to be more efficient than the other. Is there anyone out there who can compare the commercially available kits, their pros and cons? Which is the best system to install for use in Northern California. Elsbett. See: http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_svo.html Straight vegetable oil as diesel fuel Don't get some two-tank system that probably has copper parts in it and all it does is pre-heat the oil to lower the viscosity, there's a lot more to it than that, even with a Merc. Our SVO page is currently being revised. It was three years ago that I first uploaded it, and it's been revised and added to regularly since then, but more information has emerged on just what is required to run an engine on SVO successfully. We don't any longer recommend simple two-tank systems that only pre-heat the oil. As Niels Ans¿ of the Folkecenter in Denmark said recently: The secret is injector and glow plugs, increased injection pressure, + afterglow and good quality rape seed oil. Or at least good quality oil, if not rapeseed. Special injectors, special glow-plugs, adjustments to the injector pump, electronic controls that keep the glow-plugs on and the heaters heating until a certain fuel temperature is reached. The only such system available in the US and internationally is Elsbett, and IMO it's the best system anyway - Elsbett has been deeply involved in this business for a long time, 30 years and more. No switching fuel from one tank to the other once it's finally warmed up enough, no purging before you switch off (or forgetting to) - switch on and go, stop and switch off, SVO, biodiesel or petro-diesel, in any combination. Best wishes Keith Addison Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/ Thanks, Frieda ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever:
[Biofuel] Re: Life after the oil crash
I only posted this one because it's a somewhat different perspective than what you have posted in your resources section, Which resources section is that? especially if you take the effort to read the 2nd page. I did. Last time, and the time before. It's a lot more realistic, Uh-huh. It seems you didn't take the effort to read the archive reference I gave you: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/41284/1 Re: [Biofuel] Peak Oil Cosmic Questions Realistic MA - want a reality check? I cross-posted an interview with Adam Porter the other day, in which he answered a question I've asked here about Peak Oil, with some scepticism: GNN: How much oil is left? Porter: This is indeed the correct question to ask as I would expect from GNN. No one knows. See: http://wwia.org/pipermail/biofuel/Week-of-Mon-20041115/002959.html [Biofuel] Peak Oil: A Reality Check From the archived message you didn't read. Lots of reality in the archives, lots about Peak Oil too, from many different angles, in the light of which, no, you haven't provided a somewhat different perspective. Nor are you likely to if you go on presuming the list has no history worth the checking. but if that bores you that's OK too. What it doesn't say in the bit of the List rules that I referred you to about checking the archives (below) is that without it the same old stuff gets posted again and again and again ad infinitum (Where do I get my methanol? - How do I convert my car to biodiesel?), and pretty soon long-time members (the ones with the experience) can't take the sheer tedium and stop reading or leave, the list loses both depth and direction and just goes round in circles. That's happened to plenty of lists, but not to this one. It's your list; you decide what's important, or not... Again, we've more history than your mere four days with us gives us credit for. No, it is not my list, it belongs to its members, and no, I do not decide what's important, they do. That is a long and well-established principle here. List owner is mostly a technical term, referring to the level of access to the administrative controls. Apart from being an ordinary list member like anyone else, I'm just the skivvy round here. One thing it does give me is ready access to a vast amount of information on the list and its membership which means I'm in a unique position to know what the membership wants. By comparison you don't even have a keyhole view. Keith Addison Journey to Forever KYOTO Pref., Japan http://journeytoforever.org/ Biofuel list owner m-- mike wrote: A very engaging and sobering evaluation of the inevitable future we must come to grips with very soon. http://www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.net Life After the Oil Crash Deal with Reality, or Reality will Deal with You Too true, the last bit. Otherwise... yawn. Yawn on two counts: for the book itself, and because we've had it all before, a couple of times. Eg.: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/41284/1 Re: [Biofuel] Peak Oil Cosmic Questions No harm in posting it again, but: List resources Please make use of the resources listed at the Biofuel list home page: http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Especially the searchable list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ The archives contains more than 38,000 [45,000 now] messages over nearly five years. The question you want to ask or the topic you're interested in has probably already been covered. That's no reason not to ask it again, but if you know what's gone before you'll ask a better question and get better answers. -- From: List rules http://wwia.org/pipermail/biofuel/Week-of-Mon-20040906/05.html Keith Addison Journey to Forever KYOTO Pref., Japan http://journeytoforever.org/ Biofuel list owner ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Re: Life after the oil crash
...two reasons why I'm saving this email: Content and the best use of the word assload I have ever seen! Mike John Hayes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thomas Malthus called. He points out that he already predicted production would fail to keep pace with demand... ...back in 1798. Seriously, even if cheap oil runs out, we are not heading toward some Malthusian crisis, because end of the world types since Malthus have ignored that ability of human beings to innovate when faced with an incentive to do so. The earth is not a closed system energywise - the sun pumps a metric assload of energy into the system every single day. As long as we can figure out an energy source that is net positive, we'll be fine. And guess what, both ethanol and biodiesel are net postive. Here's a novel idea - we'll run the tractors to harvest the crops on the biodiesel we make with the crops. Anyway, will the shift away from cheap fossil fuels cause economic disruption? Certainly. But we aren't all heading toward a Mad Max-esque dystopia where we fight over cans of dog food either. And just for the record, it isn't Keith's list to decide what's important, or not... Rather, your post was poorly received because we've because we've dealt with this meretricious crap before, hence Keith's pointer to the archive. Specifically, both the issue of ethanol energy balance and arable land have been repeatedly addressed on the list. Yet, sites like after the oil crash continue their worthless scaremongering. jh mike wrote: I only posted this one because it's a somewhat different perspective than what you have posted in your resources section, especially if you take the effort to read the 2nd page. It's a lot more realistic, but if that bores you that's OK too. It's your list; you decide what's important, or not... m-- mike wrote: A very engaging and sobering evaluation of the inevitable future we must come to grips with very soon. http://www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.net Life After the Oil Crash Deal with Reality, or Reality will Deal with You Too true, the last bit. Otherwise... yawn. Yawn on two counts: for the book itself, and because we've had it all before, a couple of times. Eg.: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/41284/1 Re: [Biofuel] Peak Oil Cosmic Questions No harm in posting it again, but: List resources Please make use of the resources listed at the Biofuel list home page: http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Especially the searchable list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ The archives contains more than 38,000 [45,000 now] messages over nearly five years. The question you want to ask or the topic you're interested in has probably already been covered. That's no reason not to ask it again, but if you know what's gone before you'll ask a better question and get better answers. -- From: List rules http://wwia.org/pipermail/biofuel/Week-of-Mon-20040906/05.html Keith Addison Journey to Forever KYOTO Pref., Japan http://journeytoforever.org/ Biofuel list owner ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ -- John E Hayes, M.S. Instructor, Dietetics Program, DIET 203 / DIET 215 Doctoral Student, Nutritional Sciences University of Connecticut - 326 Koons Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] / 860.486.0007 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Bush on matter - a thousand points of light
Hi Dan, Thanks for the reply. My only comment is that the word community is out of the Bush quote. Those were not my words. I suggested that when a hypocrite says something that he/she has demonstrated contempt for in the past, the words might still be important. George H. W. Bush said: I have spoken of a thousand points of light, of all the community organizations that are spread like stars throughout the Nation, doing good. (IMHO) When you pay a government (taxes) to serve the needs of the people, and instead they serve themselves, one should be encouraged to become innovative with alternatives that both serve those needs and inspire change. For example, spending $0.50 for every $1.00 of my taxes on building the military does not represent balance when our (K-12) schools don't come close in comparison to most of those in the industrialized world. Those who are alarmed by this statistic might organize to form a better method for educating their children within their community. It's not a new idea and I certainly don't take credit for it. However, the idea to think global and act local is beginning to have an impact on energy by the evidence we see in the biofuel group postings. That is what I'm excited about! This is what I talk about with my friends, family and neighbors. This is a sentiment that I hope spreads quickly. Mike Daniel Crandall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Message: 12 Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 11:11:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Redler Mike, you wrote: ..So, where am I going with this? I was just thinking, wouldn't it be exciting to have alliances that form within all communities in a way that replaces dependence on the Dollar, oil, utilities, etc., with knowledge and materials that are traded among you and your peers? I would be very excited to see this noble idea actually used as something other than propaganda, to keep back the interests of big money and the ruling class, from where the author came. If I understand you correctly you are referring to bartering and yes, we businesses do already barter. I'll design this for you in exchange for you providing that for me and no money gets exchanged. As you know, we report the value of these exchanges on our income taxes so we are still tied to the almighty dollar. By the way, in the larger picture (the community as you refer to it) the barter chain may be much longer. I need this and you need that and we go through several more businesses to get to what we need. Dan Crandall ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Re: Life after the oil crash
Word of the Day for Saturday May 27, 2000 meretricious \mer-ih-TRISH-us\, adjective: 1. Of or pertaining to prostitutes; having to do with prostitutes. 2. Alluring by false show; gaudily and deceitfully ornamental; tawdry; as, meretricious dress or ornaments. What a great word! Rather, your post was poorly received because we've because we've dealt with this **meretricious** crap before, hence Keith's pointer to the archive. -- John E Hayes, M.S. Instructor, Dietetics Program, DIET 203 / DIET 215 Doctoral Student, Nutritional Sciences University of Connecticut - 326 Koons Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] / 860.486.0007 http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Chris K Cayce, SC ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] REP America - US Republicans for Environmental Protection
House Energy Bill Is a Failure of Leadership Source: REP America [Apr 23, 2005] http://www.evworld.com/view.cfm?section=communiquenewsid=8279 SYNOPSIS: Republicans for Environmental Protection criticizes House energy bill as a failure of leadership. The energy bill passed by the House today fails to solve the increasingly serious energy problems that the United States faces, REP America, the national grassroots organization of Republicans for Environmental Protection, said today. The House had a chance to set a new, more positive energy direction for America. Unfortunately, our elected representatives failed, Jim DiPeso, REP America policy director, said. Dangerous pressures building on Americaâs energy system have increased the urgency of using energy more efficiently and expanding the energy choices available to the nation. Heavy oil dependence has become a strategic liability. Rising gasoline prices are a sign that the global oil market is straining to keep up with demand. As a result, Americaâs growing oil appetite exposes our nation to price shock and international conflict. There are worrying indications that similar stresses are straining the natural gas market. The nationâs aging electric power grid is vulnerable to blackouts similar to the outage that hit the Northeast in 2003. Carbon dioxide, a byproduct of burning oil and other fossil fuels, is building in the atmosphere, trapping heat and increasing the risk of damaging spin-off impacts on water supplies, agriculture, coastal property, and public health. Unfortunately, the House majority canât see beyond yesterday to find solutions, DiPeso said. The single most important thing we could do to reduce our dangerous dependence on oil is to update motor vehicle efficiency standards. Yet the House majority, made up of so-called conservatives, dismisses the need to reduce fuel waste, DiPeso said. The House rejected Congressman Sherwood Boehlertâs (R-NY) reasonable, bipartisan amendment to increase fuel efficiency standards to 33 miles per gallon. Drilling the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge would do very little to reduce oil imports or lower prices, as independent studies have shown. Domestic production is long past its peak and cannot keep up with rising demand. Drilling the Arctic Refuge would perpetuate our dangerous dependence on oil, not reduce it. Yet the House majority single-mindedly embraces this distraction as if it were a magic wand, DiPeso said. We urgently need to diversify our nationâs energy portfolio, so we donât keep all our eggs in too few baskets. Yet the House has loaded up the energy bill with budget-busting pork for mature energy industries that ought to stand on their own two feet, instead of focusing the limited money available for incentives on the clean energy technologies of tomorrow, DiPeso said. Scientists worldwide have found clear and compelling evidence that carbon dioxide emissions are at least partly responsible for rising global temperatures. Yet the House majority persists stubbornly in its denial, doing nothing, letting risks get bigger, and guaranteeing higher costs when a future, more responsible Congress faces up to the issue, DiPeso said. We need to rewrite our stale energy script and plan for a future of cleaner, more secure, more diverse energy choices, DiPeso said. There will be many benefits: We can strengthen our security, reduce energy costs, revitalize rural communities, and develop new manufacturing industries. The path forward starts with using fuel and electricity more efficiently, DiPeso said. At the same time, we must aggressively commercialize clean energy technologies ö including alcohol fuels, renewable power, perhaps carbon-sequestered coal and advanced nuclear technologies ö that do not despoil the landscape, pollute air and water, or take dangerous risks with the global climate, DiPeso said. REP America is grateful for the Republican House members who voted for a balanced energy policy by supporting fuel efficiency and protection of the Arctic Refuge. Representatives Boehlert, Roscoe Bartlett, Tom Davis, Vern Ehlers, Wayne Gilchrest, Tim Johnson, Nancy Johnson, Mark Kirk, Jim Leach, Frank LoBiondo, Todd Platts, Jim Ramstad, Jim Saxton, Joe Schwarz, Chris Smith, and others deserve credit for their leadership in trying to stop the House majority from passing a bad bill, DiPeso said. Unfortunately, despite their best efforts, the House failed. Itâs up to the Senate to do a better job, DiPeso said. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] End of Oil End of America ?
This article speaks of whether some of us Grab the Oil or make a path for Energy Reconfiguration. If the US economy is not to grind to a halt as oil is depleted it does suggest three alternate strategies: dramatically lower its living standards (something it is not willing to do); substantially increase the energy efficiency of its economy; or make up the shortfall by securing supplies from other countries. --- Published on Monday, March 1, 2004 by CommonDreams.org Will The End of Oil Mean The End of America? by Robert Freeman http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0301-12.htm permaculture.com/alcohol/articles/endofoil.shtml In Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance, Robert Pirsig tells the story of a South American Indian tribe that has devised an ingenious monkey trap. The Indians cut off the small end of a coconut and stuff it with sweetmeats and rice. They tether the other end to a stake and place it in a clearing. Soon, a monkey smells the treats inside and comes to see what it is. It can just barely get its hand into the coconut but, stuffed with booty, it cannot pull the hand back out. The Indians easily walk up to the monkey and capture it. Even as the Indians approach, the monkey screams in horror, not only in fear of its captors, but equally as much, one imagines, in recognition of the tragedy of its own lethal but still unalterable greed. Pirsig uses the story to illustrate the problem of value rigidity. The monkey cannot properly evaluate the relative worth of a handful of food compared to its life. It chooses wrongly, catastrophically so, dooming itself by its own short-term fixation on a relatively paltry pleasure. America has its own hand in a coconut, one that may doom it just as surely as the monkey. That coconut is its dependence on cheap oil in a world where oil will soon come to an end. The choice we face (whether to let the food go or hold onto it) is whether to wean ourselves off of oil÷to quickly evolve a new economy and a new basis for civilization÷or to continue to secure stable supplies from the rest of the world by force. As with Pirsigâs monkey, the alternative consequences of each choice could not be more dramatic. Weaning ourselves off of cheap oil, while not easy, will help ensure the vitality of the American economy and the survival of its political system. Choosing the route of force will almost certainly destroy the economy and doom Americaâs short experiment in democracy. To date, we have chosen the second alternative: to secure oil by force. The evidence of its consequences are all around us. They include the titanic US budget and trade deficits funding a gargantuan, globally-deployed military and the Patriot Act and its starkly anti-democratic rescissions of civil liberties. There is little time left to change this choice before its consequences become irreversible. The world is quickly running out of oil. In the year 2000, global production stood at 76 Million Barrels per Day (MBD). By 2020, demand is forecast to reach 112 MBD, an increase of 47%. But additions to proven reserves have virtually stopped and it is clear that pumping at present rates is unsustainable. Estimates of the date of ãpeak global productionä vary with some experts saying it already may have occurred as early as the year 2000. New Scientist magazine recently placed the year of peak production in 2004. Virtually all experts believe it will almost certainly occur before the end of this decade. And the rate of depletion is accelerating. Imagine a production curve that rises slowly over 145 years÷the time since oil was discovered in Pennsylvania in 1859. Over this time, the entire world shifted to oil as the foundation of industrial civilization. It invested over one hundreds trillion dollars in a physical infrastructure and an economic system run entirely on oil. But oil production is now at its peak and the right hand side of the curve is a virtual drop off. Known reserves are being drawn down at 4 times the rate of new discoveries. The reason for the drop off is that not only have all the ãbigä discoveries already been made, the rate of consumption is increasing dramatically. Annual world energy use is up five times since 1945. Increases are now driven by massive developing countries÷China, India, Brazil÷growing and emulating first or at least second world consumption standards. Fixed supply. Stalled discoveries. Sharply increased consumption. This is the formula for global oil depletion within the next few decades. The situation is especially critical in the US. With barely 4% of the worldâs population, the US consumes 26% of the worldâs energy. But the US produced only 9 MBD in 2000 while consuming 19 MBD. It made up the difference by importing 10 MBD, or 53% of its needs. By 2020, the US Department of Energy forecasts domestic demand will grow to 25 MBD but production will
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