Re: [Biofuel] New York : DA Drops The Charges Against Carol Lang

[dwoodard]

That was then. This is now, when those in control of the United States
are using the methods and following the principles of Hitler and Stalin,
though on a smaller scale so far.

Remember that the United States was dragged into World War II by the
Japanese, after having been given the jet engine and the key to modern
radar (the cavity magnetron) by Britain. The development of the atom bomb
in the U.S. was possible because foreign scientists and foreign
governments had confidence in the good sense of the American government
and people. Oppressed people of other countries looked on the United
States as a haven of law, order and safety. No one trusts the United
States any more. Nowadays oppressed foreigners feel safer in Europe.
In the United States they are at the mercy of the secret police.

Doug Woodard
St. Catharines, Ontario, Canada


On Sat, 4 Jun 2005, ron wrote:

> I can see this is going no where so I will leave it with one final bit
> of food for thought
>
> . If it were not for the US defense budget and over a million American
> lives, there would only be 2 languages spoken it all of Europe, German
> and Russian. And all of Asia would be speaking Japanese. Oh How soon
> they forget. Nuff said.

[snip]

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[Biofuel] Discrimination in following military orders

[Kenneth Kron]

robert luis rabello wrote:
Michael
Redler wrote:
  
  
  Robert,

 

"...he or she becomes the property of the military and the

commanders will do with every soldier whatever they deem necessary. "

Point taken. But I think it's a bit oversimplified.

  
  
Is it really?  Can an army function without discipline?  When the
lieutenant says: "We have orders to secure that hilltop and neutralize
enemy resistance," does an enlisted soldier have the right to disagree?
  
  
My wife has a young cousin who joined the Marines a few years ago.
Much to his dismay, and his family's distress, the Marine Corps sent
him to Fallujah.  He tells us that he didn't want to go there.  He
speaks of the situation being horrible and of his life being in
constant danger.  But he couldn't say: "No thanks.  I'd rather serve in
Guam."
  

Robert this is particularly interesting to me because it leads me to
the question "should an army be able to perform a function if it cannot
convince people who volunteered to join it to undertake that
function".  The army recognizes this principal itself in that soldier
are generally not "ordered" into situations of "extreme danger" which
begs the question when people are shooting at you "is there any other
kind" (Jack Nicholson in the movie "A Few Good Men").  How is it that
an Army is particularly different in this regard than a company?  I run
a company full of volunteers, our mission is to defend our environment
from unsustainable poisonous energy practices.  No one calls in sick
even when the work is hard and nasty and drawing the line at shooting
another human being is totally arbitrary, can we poison them?  Does it
have to be fast acting or can it be slow acting?  There are many
businesses that occupy themselves with getting people to pay them to
indiscriminately  kill other people it just appears to be more ethical
when they use slow acting poisons or don't use guns than when the do
but does that make it more ethical?

How can a military unit prevent:
Soldiers from reporting sick or late or causing transportation
equipment to fail?  Of course in earlier wars people would have been
shot on the spot and probably where but today in the U.S. the most they
will probably do is court martial you and ethical way to clearly state
that you disagree with the military.  If more of our soldiers had the
courage to accept this "shameing" we would probably have a better more
ethical military.

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[Biofuel] Bug Power

[Keith Addison]

The Institute of Science in Society

Science Society Sustainability
http://www.i-sis.org.uk

ISIS Press Release 03/06/05

Bug Power

Waste-gobbling bacteria may be our dream ticket to clean renewable 
energy. Dr. Mae-Wan Ho


A fully referenced 
version of this paper is posted on ISIS members' website. 
Details here


Resources and energy from wastes

Bacteria that gobble wastes are a godsend. They prevent the build up 
of wastes in our environment and play an indispensable role in making 
wastewater safe for domestic animals, wild life, and human beings. In 
many Third World countries, these same bacteria are working miracles 
turning manure and other wastes into valuable resources to support 
highly productive farms that require no input and generate little or 
no waste ("Dream farm", this series). When these bacteria are 
confined in anaerobic digesters with limited or no access to oxygen, 
they ferment the wastes, release and conserve nutrients for livestock 
and crops, and produce ‘biogas' as by-product, which typically 
consists of about 60% methane (CH4) and a small amount of hydrogen 
(H2), both of which can be burnt as smokeless fuel.


Within the past two years, these same bacteria are showing even more 
remarkable potential for producing clean and renewable energy while 
reducing greenhouse gas emissions.


Hydrogen economy on potato waste

The "hydrogen economy" is on everyone's lips as the answer to the 
ultimate clean energy. Burning hydrogen produces pure water instead 
of green house gases, and it is by far the most energetic fuel on 
earth, weight for weight. But in order to really reduce green house 
gas emissions, hydrogen must be produced sustainably with renewable 
sources such as sun, wind and biomass. About half of all hydrogen 
produced currently is from natural gas, the rest is produced 
primarily using other fossil fuels. Only 4% is generated by splitting 
water using electricity derived from a variety of sources.


At BIOCAP Canada's First National Conference in February 2005, a 
research team at the Wastewater Technology Centre and the University 
of Waterloo in Ontario, Canada, presented a poster describing a 
prototype process for producing substantial amounts of hydrogen as 
well as methane from potato waste [1].


The team used a two-stage anaerobic digestion to get first hydrogen 
and then methane. In this way, it was possible to optimize the first 
stage for producing hydrogen. The key appears to be an acidic pH of 
5.5 in the hydrogen reactor, instead of pH 7 in the methane reactor. 
Both reactors were run at 35C.


They pulped the potatoes bought from a store and treated the slurry 
with peptone (an enzyme that breaks down protein), then seeded the 
two reactors – one for hydrogen the other for methane - with digested 
sludge from the local wastewater treatment plant to get the bacteria 
in place. For the hydrogen reactor, the seed sludge was 
pre-cultivated in a sucrose medium for a few days before switching to 
potato waste when high hydrogen production was confirmed. For the 
methane reaction, no precultivation of the sludge was required.


From the 4th day, the potato pulp replaced sucrose and hydrogen 
biogas was produced continuously for a further 90 days. The maximum 
production rate from the one litre reactor was 270ml/h on the 17th 
day, and the average rate over the entire 90-day period was 
112.2ml/h. The hydrogen fraction fluctuated between 39 and 51 percent 
of the biogas (v/v). The average chemical oxygen demand (COD) 
concentration (a measure of the amount of waste present) of the fluid 
coming out of the hydrogen reactor was 7 220mg/L, at an input 
concentration of 12 800mg/L. So more than 40 percent of the waste was 
removed.


Once hydrogen production became stable after the 20th day, the 
outflow from the hydrogen reactor was transferred to the second, 
bigger (methane) reactor, 5 litres in volume. During the 70 days of 
operation, methane biogas was produced continuously; the maximum rate 
was 410ml/h, and the average rate, 213 ml/h. The concentration of 
methane in the biogas was between 69 and 79 percent. The average COD 
concentration in the methane bioreactor outflow was 4 130 mg/L. 
Again, the process removed more than 40% of the wastes. Together, the 
two reactors removed 68% of the waste.


Based on the hydrogen and methane production rates, the average 
energy yield from each kilogram dry weight of potato waste was 4.96 
MJ (1.4kWh) and the maximum energy yield, 9.58 MJ (2.7kWh). For 
comparison, burning 1 kg wood yields about 20MJ [2]. But because the 
energy is generated from waste, it is essentially free, and does not 
require chopping down trees.


Potato is the third largest food crop in the world, and Canada is one 
of the leading producers (4.7million tonnes annually). Large amounts 
of potato waste come from food and potato

Re: [Biofuel] New York : DA Drops The Charges Against Carol Lang

[brian king]

Hi All,
Hum -- long lines at the ballot box, people turned away, no accountability... 
the UN should observe US elections.
Hum -- family farms annexed by the city, fining the family $1000/day for having 
livestock, charging the family for the demolition of the home and barn.  what 
happen to majority rule with minority rights?  I should mention the owner of 
the farm was a combat vet.
Hum -- why is it that I can not get news by listening to the news?  why is it 
that I get more information about the US from BBC the NBC or CBS?  Is that 
because in order to have a working democracy >51% have to be able to make an 
informed vote.
Why is it that the Republicans in the US push democracy on the rest of the 
world when the US is truly a republic.
-

I have to get some sleep
brian

Original Message-
From: Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Jun 3, 2005 1:29 PM
To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] New York : DA Drops The Charges Against Carol Lang

Hello Larry

>Keith,
>  I knew, from previous veiwing on this list, that I would definetly
>be in the minority.

We are all in the minority, we are all in the majority too.

>However, discussion and sharing opinions is the
>best part of living in any democracy.

Yes... it's the essence of what we're all doing here. But you could 
have left out the last three words. Here on the Internet, it doesn't 
much matter where you live or under what sort of regime.

>How else would we ever get new
>ideas, solutions.

How else indeed.

>  I guess it is just the "Red State" in me,

I'm sorry Larry, I don't know what that means.

>but I am proud of the US
>and its existing positions within the world community.

But the world community rejects these positions by a truly massive, 
unprecedented, majority (as do very many Americans). Yet you talk of 
democracy. It is contradictory. Not much sharing to be done if you're 
the only one in step, and insist on it, at everyone else's expense.

>I have
>experienced life in other countries and found some to be very
>enjoyable, others however were very repressive.

Not to doubt or to disparage, but it depends how you did it. Were you 
there on your terms or theirs? There are people who say that, having 
lived in the local Hilton, corporate executives who say that but 
they've lived a life entirely buffered from the local conditions and 
experienced essentially nothing. And others who just muck in at 
street level with everyone else, live in an ordinary neighbourhood, 
get an ordinary job on local conditions. They've all experienced life 
in other countries - or have they?

There are so many Americans now who find the US very repressive. They 
liken it to Nazi Germany in the 1930s, yet I don't think they love 
their country any less than you do. Some of them write to me, they're 
anguished about it. There are quite a few of them here. Discussing 
and sharing opinions means accepting this diversity, IMHO, even 
relishing it.

>  I do enjoy the discussion an look forward to more and others.

Good, and most welcome. All views are welcome, the more diverse the 
better. I guess the only view that isn't welcome is a refusal to 
accept those of others when they differ. That is truly sterile, I'm 
sure you'll agree.

Best wishes

Keith


>Larry
>
>On 6/3/05, Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Well, well...
> >
> > I'm aware this will probably chuck the cat in with the pigeons but
> > I'm undeterred. It's not directed at anyone in particular.
> >
> > This discussion could only happen in America, while the rest of us
> > (that is, most of us) look on bemused. An American list member who
> > demands respect for his views on the basis of his military service
> > will not get that respect from the majority of list members, and he
> > ought to be aware of that. From some he might get the very opposite
> > of respect. For me, it's simply not significant. It doesn't even mean
> > he necessarily knows better, on the contrary, it could as easily mean
> > he's incapable of seeing it straight.
> >
> > Where else in the world is military service placed on such a pedestal
> > of pride? Where else is the military held in such high esteem? I
> > don't wish to be insulting, but the only possibilities that come to
> > mind are perhaps China, or North Korea, and maybe South Korea to an
> > extent, because of North Korea - but at least they have a real enemy
> > (and the last thing they want is to fight it out). Food for thought,
> > no?
> >
> > One then has to ask, where else in the world does the military get
> > such a grotesquely huge slice of the budget? (China? North Korea?)
> > Especially of such a huge budget. And why? The Cold War ended 15
> > years ago. Grotesque?
> >
> > >... U.S. military spending, in billions of dollars per day: 1.08
> > >
> > >Ratio of U.S. military spending to the combined military budgets of
> > >Cuba, Iran, Iraq, Libya, North Korea, Sudan, and Syria: 26 to 1
> > >
> > >Percentage of U.S. share of tot

Re: [Biofuel] phosphatide content in crude oil

[Jan Warnqvist]

Hello Subbu.
Since used cooking oil from the beginning probably consists from refined
oil, the phosphatetide content should be < 1%.
With best regards
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Re[2]: [Biofuel] New York : DA Drops The Charges Against Carol Lang

[Gustl Steiner-Zehender]

Hallo Ron,

Turn your question around on yourself brother.  Let's say you have all
the  military  experience  in the world but you are content to believe
the  hogwash  dumped  into  your  consciousness  by a blatantly biased
government  working  hand-in-hand with a blatantly biased big business
community and then you, without checking to see whether or not you are
getting  the  truth,  all  the truth not just the parts which make one
thing look like another, and you go out and act on that information as
if it were from the mouth of GOD, and that is what a good many people,
particularly  those in the military, are doing then how does that make
it  any  better  or different to those who believe a "blatantly biased
anti military press"?

The  press is mainly just a dis-information service for the government
in  most  things.   Did you ever wonder why some of the press might be
anti  military?   Have  you  noticed  that  in  My  Lai it was a lowly
lieutenant  who  bit  the  bullet?   Did  you  notice that it is a few
enlisted  and  a female reserve general who bent over for the military
while  those  in  actual  control who dictated the actions are merrily
whistling  on  their  way?   Do you understand that in actual fact you
have  to carry out an unlawful act and report it after the fact?  That
isn't the way it is written but that is how it works.

Are  you  aware  that Richard Clarke, Colin Powell's intel chief, told
Powell  FOUR  MONTHS  before his UN presentation that not only had the
intel  not  shown  the info Powell was going to give to be true it had
shown  it to be false? Are you aware that Lt. Col. Kwaitkowski who was
an  intel  analyst  in  the Near East South Asia section of the Middle
East  Policy  Directorate  of  the  Pentagon  reports  that  political
appointees  with  political agendas were installed in the Pentagon and
that  all  intelligence was run through them to the president and that
bits  and  pieces  of  the  intel were  woven  together  to  support a
preconceived and false conclusion?

Todd  does his homework brother.  If the first hand experience you are
speaking  of is sighting down a barrel and pulling the trigger on some
poor  bastard  you don't even know then he doesn't need it and neither
does  anyone  else.   What they don't tell you when you enlist is that
when  that happens you have to live with yourself for the rest of your
life with the knowledge of what you have done and sooner or later that
will  come  back  and  bite  you in the ass.  You can take that to the
bank.   I'm living with that 40 years later.  My uncle lived with that
from  the  first world war on.  My father from the second world war on
and my cousin from Korea on.  And these poor kids in Iraq are going to
bring  that back home with them and carry that in their hearts for the
rest  of  their  lives.   Thank  God  Todd doesn't have any first hand
experience.   It  is  unfortunate  that so many of us do and will.  My
kids  won't.   They  may die for their country but they won't kill for
it.  When people talk about rendering unto Caesar they should remember
that  Caesar  may  have given them a place to live but not their lives
and  Caesar  has  no  right to force one to render someone else's life
unto him.

Happy Happy,

Gustl

Saturday, 04 June, 2005, 05:01:04, you wrote:

r> So what you are saying is, you have NO first hand experience. That you 
r> are content to spread second hand info spewed out by a  blatantly
r> biased anti military press. And bases on NO first hand info you are 
r> content to accept all the flotsam they give you and pass it along as if 
r> it were from the mouth of GOD. Does that about sum it up?
r> Ron

r> Appal Energy wrote:
>> Ron,
>> 
>> Why would you find it necessary to try and delve into personal 
>> exeriences when the public record and the dis-service to America is 
>> blatantly and patently apparent?
-- 
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daß sie gerade deshalb von der gewöhnlichen Welt nicht 
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hear the music.  
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Re: [Biofuel] New York : DA Drops The Charges Against Carol Lang

[Appal Energy]

> So what you are saying is

No Ron,

That's what YOU are saying, and then based upon the intentional use of a 
mis- and dis-association process procede to riducule and debase to serve 
your own twisted end, a rather useless one in the course of dialogue 
which you lay out plainly for everyone to see.


Why is it that your "approach" is so predictable with the utterance of 
but the first one or two syllables?


Rather than address as issue, you'd prefer to set a stage to suit your 
pleasure and then proceed to malign anyone and anything that is ouside 
the fabricated confine of your staged "un-reality.".


Here's a bit for you Ron. All too possibly a bite too big for you to 
chew. But none-the-less.


By your queer standard of "logic" and mis-association, only those who 
die could have any idea of what death is. Sorry to let you in on the 
secret old buddy, but only those who live can ever have a clue as to 
what death must be like, at least on this plain, much less a dim idea of 
the vast periphery of repercussions surrounding death.


By your disconnected logic, only those who have passed through boot camp 
could offer a clue as to the type of abuse/debasing/deconstruction that 
occurs. Only someone who's had to breathe foul air or had their well 
teinted or their children poisoned from a plant upwind or upriver could 
ever have a clue as to how overwhelming, destructive and life-changing 
such events are. Only someone.


Aww, forget it. Who needs to waste the breath...

Some might presume from your brand of foolishness Ron, that you're a bit 
of an "unfinished" whipper snapper who has an entire world of knowledge 
to yet explore. But that would be a grand dis-service to all the youth 
in the world who are smart enough to know that when one steps in front 
of a mortar shell or on a land mine that the chances are a bit more than 
good that they won't have to worry about mindsets like yours anymore.


And the really sad part Ron? No one will ever have to ask if "That just 
about sums it up?" relative to your prejudices and mis-conceived 
predispositions, because you lay the tracks down so well yourself.


Todd Swearingen

ron wrote:

So what you are saying is, you have NO first hand experience. That you 
are content to spread second hand info spewed out by a  blatantly
biased anti military press. And bases on NO first hand info you are 
content to accept all the flotsam they give you and pass it along as 
if it were from the mouth of GOD. Does that about sum it up?

Ron

Appal Energy wrote:


Ron,

Why would you find it necessary to try and delve into personal 
exeriences when the public record and the dis-service to America is 
blatantly and patently apparent?



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Re: [Biofuel] New York : DA Drops The Charges Against Carol Lang

[Appal Energy]

It goes nowhere Ron, because you take it nowhere. By all appearances, or 
at least in this instance, you seem to be the type of person who would 
boil the kettle dry and still think and try to persuade others that 
what's at the bottom of the pot is still tea.


There's a far greater bit to life's picture than what you narrowly present.

Normally when people work on a jigsaw puzzle, their disappointment comes 
when they find the last piece to be missing. You, on the other hand, 
appear to be more like the last piece in search of the rest of the puzzle.


That should concern not only you, but the rest of the world.

Todd Swearingen

ron wrote:

I can see this is going no where so I will leave it with one final bit 
of food for thought


. If it were not for the US defense budget and over a million American 
lives, there would only be 2 languages spoken it all of Europe, German 
and Russian. And all of Asia would be speaking Japanese. Oh How soon 
they forget. Nuff said.


Keith Addison wrote:


Well, well...

I'm aware this will probably chuck the cat in with the pigeons but 
I'm undeterred. It's not directed at anyone in particular.


This discussion could only happen in America, while the rest of us 
(that is, most of us) look on bemused. An American list member who 
demands respect for his views on the basis of his military service 
will not get that respect from the majority of list members, and he 
ought to be aware of that. From some he might get the very opposite 
of respect. For me, it's simply not significant. It doesn't even mean 
he necessarily knows better, on the contrary, it could as easily mean 
he's incapable of seeing it straight.


Where else in the world is military service placed on such a pedestal 
of pride? Where else is the military held in such high esteem? I 
don't wish to be insulting, but the only possibilities that come to 
mind are perhaps China, or North Korea, and maybe South Korea to an 
extent, because of North Korea - but at least they have a real enemy 
(and the last thing they want is to fight it out). Food for thought, no?


One then has to ask, where else in the world does the military get 
such a grotesquely huge slice of the budget? (China? North Korea?) 
Especially of such a huge budget. And why? The Cold War ended 15 
years ago. Grotesque?



... U.S. military spending, in billions of dollars per day: 1.08

Ratio of U.S. military spending to the combined military budgets of 
Cuba, Iran, Iraq, Libya, North Korea, Sudan, and Syria: 26 to 1


Percentage of U.S. share of total global military spending in 1985: 31

Percentage of U.S. share of total global military spending in 2000: 36




Yes, grotesque. Is this something to be admired?

Look at these figures:

Debt relief for the 20 worst affected countries would cost between US 
$5.5 billion to $7.7 billion, less than the cost of ONE stealth bomber.


Basic education for all would cost $6 billion a year;
- $8 billion is spent annually for cosmetics in the United States alone.

Installation of water and sanitation for all would cost $9 billion 
plus some annual costs;

- $11 billion is spent annually on ice cream in Europe.

Reproductive health services for all women would cost $12 billion a 
year;
- $12 billion a year is spent on perfumes in Europe and the United 
States.


Basic health care and nutrition would cost $13 billion;
- $17 billion a year is spent on pet food in Europe and the United 
States.


$35 billion is spent on business entertainment in Japan;
$50 billion on cigarettes in Europe;
$105 billion on alcoholic drinks in Europe;
$400 billion on narcotic drugs around the world; and
$780 billion on the world's militaries.

-- From: Globalization Facts and Figures
http://learningpartnership.org/facts/global.phtml

It's not something to be admired. Yet Americans are so proud of it.

A majority of Americans thinks the US spends 24% of its budget on 
foreign aid instead of the actual figure, less than 1% - and most of 
that is "tied" to direct US benefit. And then there's this:


http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article.htm
$1 trillion missing : Military waste under fire
05/18/05 "San Francisco Chronicle"
(Among other things, they LOST 56 airplanes, 32 tanks, and 36 Javelin 
missile command launch-units.)


Grotesque and bizarre.

I'm not "bashing" the US, I'm not even trying to stop the discussion 
- please, go ahead, thrash it out, no problem. But please be aware of 
how peculiarly American it is. Pondering that a bit might add some 
perspective which might otherwise be lacking.


A couple of other things to ponder. Vietnam vets, or some of them 
anyway, seem to have a rather different view of military service. I'm 
reminded of a previous discussion here involving Vietnam vets when 
one of them boasted about the Purple Heart he'd won. Have a look in 
the archives if you like.


Why are benefits for soldiers' families being cut, and those for 
disabled soldiers too, IIRC, even as their numbers ar

Re: [Biofuel] New York : DA Drops The Charges Against Carol Lang

[Michael Redler]

On Sat, 4 Jun 2005, ron wrote:"If it were not for the US defense budget and over a million American lives, there would only be 2 languages spoken it all of Europe, German and Russian."
 
Ron! Hello! What language does the entire world feel pressured to learn today. What cultures are being effected by (injected with) American culture. Every time I visit my Mother's childhood home city of Bern Switzerland, I see wonderfully preserved 700+ year old architecture...right next to a McDonald's.
 
Our "army" takes many forms and economic pressure is often as effective as political or military pressure when it comes to building material wealth and power. Today, "We" encroach on other countries (militarily, politically and economically) as if it's our God-given right.
 
Mike[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
That was then. This is now, when those in control of the United Statesare using the methods and following the principles of Hitler and Stalin,though on a smaller scale so far.Remember that the United States was dragged into World War II by theJapanese, after having been given the jet engine and the key to modernradar (the cavity magnetron) by Britain. The development of the atom bombin the U.S. was possible because foreign scientists and foreigngovernments had confidence in the good sense of the American governmentand people. Oppressed people of other countries looked on the UnitedStates as a haven of law, order and safety. No one trusts the UnitedStates any more. Nowadays oppressed foreigners feel safer in Europe.In the United States they are at the mercy of the secret police.Doug WoodardSt. Catharines, Ontario,
 CanadaOn Sat, 4 Jun 2005, ron wrote:> I can see this is going no where so I will leave it with one final bit> of food for thought>> . If it were not for the US defense budget and over a million American> lives, there would only be 2 languages spoken it all of Europe, German> and Russian. And all of Asia would be speaking Japanese. Oh How soon> they forget. Nuff said.[snip]___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/___
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Re: [Biofuel] Bug Power

[robert luis rabello]

Keith Addison wrote:

At BIOCAP Canada's First National Conference in February 2005, a 
research team at the Wastewater Technology Centre and the University of 
Waterloo in Ontario, Canada, presented a poster describing a prototype 
process for producing substantial amounts of hydrogen as well as methane 
from potato waste [1].


	This is very interesting.  I've experimented with using bacteria to 
produce hydrogen in an anaerobic environment, and it works well if the 
feed stock is sugar based.  I wasn't aware they were capable of 
breaking down starches.  Bacteria are amazing little creatures!


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Re: [Biofuel] E-100 Goal

[Balaji]

Hello Ken,
 
EG Solar and Zeotech have developed 
a stand alone off grid solar fridge which consists of the following 
:
1. A sorption fridge box, with a 
water filled jacket which is partially evacuated with 
2. A hand operated vacuum pump, 
which passes the evacuated low boiling "steam" to a 
3. A zeolite canister. which 
adsorbs the "steam" to saturation and is regenerated by 
4. A Parabolic solar concentrator at 
whose focus the saturated zeolite in the canister is heated to 
dryness.
 
You can get more info at http://www.eg-solar.de/english/home.htm
 
Regards
 
Balaji

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  Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 6:46 
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  on 6/1/05 2:19 PM, brewmaster at [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:> I wish to introduce myself to your group and I hope 
  I can answer the many> questions within this new and expanding 
  industry.  My knowledge from small> units (26k/gpy) to up scale 
  distillation units (+50m/gpy), should provide> you some scope of what 
  is really involved with producing 200 proof fuel> grade 
  Ethanol. Cool résumé   But why 
  bother?  If you're burning it in an Otto engine,you don't need 200 pf 
  (unless you're mixing with gasoline :-)), and ifyou're using it to make 
  biodiesel for a Diesel engine... (I bet not),methanol works way 
  better.But hey, do you happen to know anything about regenerating 
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RE: [Biofuel] New York : DA Drops The Charges Against Carol Lang

[dermot]

Hi Ron,

Not nearly enough said I'm afraid. I think you are perpetuating two myths:


I think it was George Orwell who said that if you repeat a lie often enough,
people will believe it.  Sadly, a whole generation has got its perceptions
of the Second World War from Hollywood. Many in Europe and America don't
even know of Russia's involvement in the war and assume that they were
fighting against the allies!

Myth No.1:
The war in Europe was basically over in mid 1943, almost a year before the
Normandy landings. The decisive battles were all fought in Russia
(Stalingrad, siege of Moscow, siege of Leningrad, Battle of Kursk etc.). In
the siege of Leningrad alone an estimated 700,000 people perished. The war
culminated in the Battle of Kursk in July 1943. It was the biggest tank
battle in history, yet is known about by few in the west. After this
decisive battle the war was basically over in Europe, in the sense that the
Germans were always on the defensive from then on, and the Russians could
have won without the Americans or British. It would of course have taken
longer. American equipment given to Russia under the Lend Lease program was
an important factor early on in the war but was less so as Russian
production of armaments moved east. Still, we owe a great debt to the
American and British soldiers who died in this war. We often rightly
acknowledge that debt. We seldom acknowledge the even greater debt we owe
the Russian people!!!

During the decisive battle on the western front, The Battle of the Bulge,
the Germans had the majority of their troops in the Eastern Front, in
Russia..

During the war the Russians lost an estimated 20 million people. This was
almost 10% of their population. It tended to colour their perception of
Europe from then on!!

It is also important to remember that Russia had been invaded by Europe in
1914 and in 1919/20 also. Three times in 30 years!!! There was also still
the folk memory of Napoleon's invasion in 1812.


Myth No.2:
At the end of the war Russia was determined that they wouldn't be invaded
again. (Remember that this was thought to be a possibility; the US General,
Patton, wanted to go on and attack Russia to "finish" the war.) The Russians
therefore decided to form a buffer zone of satellite states around its
borders just as Israel did with south Lebanon in the early 80's.
This obviously led to tensions with the other super powers and you had the
formation of NATO and the Warsaw Pact after that. This in turn led to the
Cold War and an arms race which the Russians needed like a hole in the head.
Their country was devastated and needed reconstruction urgently. The US
emerged from the war practically unscathed and as the only remaining
superpower "with 50% of the world's wealth, but only 3% of its population".

Russia realised early on that it could never compete successfully with the
economic might of the US and therefore sought to end the Cold War as early
as 1952.
They proposed that Germany be re-united but remain neutral with no
conditions attached to its economic policies and guaranteeing "the rights of
man and basic freedoms, including freedom of speech, press and the free
activity of democratic parties."
The US replied that a re-united Germany would have to be free to join NATO.
This was a demand that the US knew Russia could not accept.

The US needed the Cold War to keep its population scared. This helped to
keep what Eisenhower described as the "military industrial complex" happy.
It's also interesting to note that Eisenhower thought that fears of a
Russian invasion of Europe were "the product of paranoid imaginations".

It has to be said that elements of the Russian regime also found the Cold
War handy in keeping their population in line too. They of course had their
own "military industrial" complex.

The Russians made several more attempts to end the Cold War but were
rebuffed time and again by the US, (see Noam Chomsky's DETERRING DEMOCRACY).

The above may seem to be overly generous to the Russians. They were of
course quite brutal in their occupation of their satellite states. All
empires are brutal and their actions are mostly reprehensible in their
colonies.
It is interesting to compare the colonies of the US and the Russian colonies
during the 1980's however.  The Russian colonies were bleeding Russia dry
whereas the US colonies in South America were hugely profitable for the US
economy. The Soviet Union poured about 80 billion dollars into Eastern
Europe during the 1970's. According to the New York Times transfers to the
West from Latin America from 1982 to 1987 amounted to 150 billion dollars.

Also, what would have happened to Vaclev Havel or Lech Walesa (PolishTrade
Union leader), if they had advocated free elections and free trade unions in
El Salvador or Guatemala during the 1980's?
They would have ended up disembowelled somewhere on the outskirts of town!

Regards
Dermot

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RE: [Biofuel] Bug Power

[Mark Kaufman]

Starches are a type of sugar

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Keith Addison wrote:

> At BIOCAP Canada's First National Conference in February 2005, a 
> research team at the Wastewater Technology Centre and the University
of 
> Waterloo in Ontario, Canada, presented a poster describing a prototype

> process for producing substantial amounts of hydrogen as well as
methane 
> from potato waste [1].

This is very interesting.  I've experimented with using bacteria
to 
produce hydrogen in an anaerobic environment, and it works well if the 
feed stock is sugar based.  I wasn't aware they were capable of 
breaking down starches.  Bacteria are amazing little creatures!

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[Biofuel] Glycerine as fuel

[Bill Clark]

Hi to all,
 
Yesterday I visited a small wood veneer operation 
using a wood gasification unit to produce steam which heats the veneer 
driers.
They had previously been using LPG as a fuel 
source. The increase in the price of LPG was threatening to put them out of 
business. With the help of a grant from the State of Alabama they installed the 
new biomass gasification unit and paid it off ($500,000.00 USD) in a year and a 
half.
 
There is another industry here struggling with LPG 
prices. Chicken growers. These small rural farmers must heat their chicken 
houses during cool or cold weather. Each house is 60 ft. wide by 200 ft. long. 
They turn the houses over 6 times per year. Each time a flock is sold, a layer 
of litter (peanut hulls and chicken waste) must be removed from the floor 
of the house. While the litter poduced is being used on some farmland  (a 
problem in itself), there is a large glut of chicken litter piled around most of 
these farms. It is smelly, full of avian pathogens and is a serious leachate 
problem.
 
There is work being done to utilize this waste as a 
heat source for these houses. The Alabama Department of Economic and Community 
Affairs Science, Technology and Energy division (ADECA-STE) is very interested 
in biomass as energy and has a grant program aimed at agricultural energy 
efficiency. 
 
Questions:
 
Can raw glycerine co-product from a biodiesel 
operation be effective as a source of syngas in a gasifier?
 
What implications from the soap 
content?
 
Proposal:
 
Since the removal of the litter from each house is 
a very dusty operation, utilize raw glycerine co-product as a dust settler on 
the surface of the litter with the added benefit of increasing the energy 
content of the biomass. Use the waste biomass as fuel in a wood gasification 
unit to produce heat for the chicken houses.
 
As some of you know, I am running a wvo to 
biodiesel project for the City of Eufaula, AL. I produce about 600 gal. of 
biodiesel per week leaving me with approximately 90 gal. of raw glycerine 
co-product. While this is not enough to treat the 400 chicken houses in the 
area, it may be enough to demonstrate this idea on one or two farms. If the 
addition of raw glycerine to chicken litter is workable,
perhaps it could create a reliable use for 
raw glycerine produced in a larger scale biodiesel plant. The raw glycerine 
could be sold for perhaps $.50-1.00 per gallon, a nice price that would have an 
impact on the feasibility of a local biodiesel operation.
 
I am just begining to think this through so any 
comments, positive or negative, would be appreciated.
 
Hoping all is well with each of you,
 
Bill Clark
 
 
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Re: [Biofuel] Robin's solution... was: DA Drops...

[lisa simpson]

You gotta love Robin Williams... Leave it to Robin
Williams to come up  with the perfect plan .. what we
need now is for our UN Ambassador to  stand up and
repeat this message.
 
 Robin William's plan. (Hard to argue with this
logic!)
 
 I see a lot of people yelling for peace but I have
not heard of a plan  for peace. So, here's one plan.
 
 1.) The US will apologize to the world for our
"interference" in their  affairs, past &present. You
know, Hitler, Mussolini, Tojo, Noriega,  Milosevic and
the rest of those 'good ole boys,' We will never
 "interfere"  again.
 
 2.) We will withdraw our troops from all over the
world, starting with  Germany, South Korea and the
Philippines. They don't want us there. We  would
station troops at our borders. No one sneaking through
holes in  the fence.
 
 3.) All illegal aliens have 90 days to get their
affairs together and  leave. We'll give them a free
trip home. After 90 days the remainder  will be
gathered up and deported immediately, regardless of
who or  where they are. France would welcome them.
 
 4.) All future visitors will be thoroughly checked
and limited to 90  days unless given a special permit.
No one from a terrorist nation  would be allowed in.
If you don't like it there, change it yourself and 
don't hide here. Asylum would never be available to
anyone. We don't  need any more cab drivers or 7-11
cashiers.
 
 5.) No foreign "students" over age 21. The older ones
are the bombers.  If they don't attend classes, they
get a "D" and it's back home baby. 
 
 6.) The US will make a strong effort to become
self-sufficient energy  wise.
 This will include developing nonpolluting sources of
energy but will  require a temporary drilling of oil
in the Alaskan wilderness. The  caribou will have to
cope for a while.
 
 7.) Offer Saudi Arabia and other oil producing
countries $10 a barrel  for their oil. If they don't
like it, we go some place else. They can  go somewhere
else to sell their production. (About a week of the
wells  filling up the storage sites would be enough.)
 
 8.) If there is a famine or other natural catastrophe
in the world, we  will not "interfere," They can pray
to Allah or whomever, for seeds,  rain, cement or
whatever they need. Besides most of what we give them
 is stolen or given to the army. The people who need
it most get very  little, if anything.
 
 9.) Ship the UN Headquarters to an isolated island
some place. We don't need the spies and fair weather
friends here. Besides, the building  would make a good
homeless shelter or lockup for illegal aliens.
 
 10.) All Americans must go to charm and beauty
school. That way, no one  can call us "Ugly Americans"
any longer. The Language we speak is 
ENGLISH.learn it...or LEAVE...Now, isn't that a
winner of a plan.
 
 "The Statue of Liberty is no longer saying 'Give me
your poor, your  tired, your huddled masses.' She's
got a baseball bat and she's  yelling, 'You want a
piece of me?'"
 
 ~~~If you agree with the above forward it to
friend...
 
 If not, and I would be amazed, DELETE it !
 
 

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Re: [Biofuel] Robin's solution... was: DA Drops...

[Michael Redler]

Why do all the xenophobic emails end with:
 
"If you agree with the above forward it to afriend...If not, and I would be amazed, DELETE it !"
 
as if the third choice (spreading this email with a description of what it really is) is not an option.
 
After watching "Patch Adams", I have to believe that there is another Robin Williams who wrote this trash.
 
Be amazed Lisa...be very amazed!
 
Mike
lisa simpson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
You gotta love Robin Williams... Leave it to RobinWilliams to come up with the perfect plan .. what weneed now is for our UN Ambassador to stand up andrepeat this message.Robin William's plan. (Hard to argue with thislogic!)I see a lot of people yelling for peace but I havenot heard of a plan for peace. So, here's one plan.1.) The US will apologize to the world for our"interference" in their affairs, past &present. Youknow, Hitler, Mussolini, Tojo, Noriega, Milosevic andthe rest of those 'good ole boys,' We will never"interfere" again.2.) We will withdraw our troops from all over theworld, starting with Germany, South Korea and thePhilippines. They don't want us there. We wouldstation troops at our borders. No one sneaking throughholes in the fence.3.) All illegal aliens have 90 days to get
 theiraffairs together and leave. We'll give them a freetrip home. After 90 days the remainder will begathered up and deported immediately, regardless ofwho or where they are. France would welcome them.4.) All future visitors will be thoroughly checkedand limited to 90 days unless given a special permit.No one from a terrorist nation would be allowed in.If you don't like it there, change it yourself and don't hide here. Asylum would never be available toanyone. We don't need any more cab drivers or 7-11cashiers.5.) No foreign "students" over age 21. The older onesare the bombers. If they don't attend classes, theyget a "D" and it's back home baby. 6.) The US will make a strong effort to becomeself-sufficient energy wise.This will include developing nonpolluting sources ofenergy but will require a temporary drilling of oilin the Alaskan wilderness. The caribou will have tocope for a
 while.7.) Offer Saudi Arabia and other oil producingcountries $10 a barrel for their oil. If they don'tlike it, we go some place else. They can go somewhereelse to sell their production. (About a week of thewells filling up the storage sites would be enough.)8.) If there is a famine or other natural catastrophein the world, we will not "interfere," They can prayto Allah or whomever, for seeds, rain, cement orwhatever they need. Besides most of what we give themis stolen or given to the army. The people who needit most get very little, if anything.9.) Ship the UN Headquarters to an isolated islandsome place. We don't need the spies and fair weatherfriends here. Besides, the building would make a goodhomeless shelter or lockup for illegal aliens.10.) All Americans must go to charm and beautyschool. That way, no one can call us "Ugly Americans"any longer. The Language we speak is
 ENGLISH.learn it...or LEAVE...Now, isn't that awinner of a plan."The Statue of Liberty is no longer saying 'Give meyour poor, your tired, your huddled masses.' She'sgot a baseball bat and she's yelling, 'You want apiece of me?'"~~~If you agree with the above forward it tofriend...If not, and I would be amazed, DELETE it !__Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/___
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Re: [Biofuel] Bug Power

[robert luis rabello]

Mark Kaufman wrote:

Starches are a type of sugar


Yes, but bigger.  I'd never tried the technique with starch wastes.

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Re: [Biofuel] Robin's solution... was: DA Drops...

[Doug Foskey]

I must admit I think this idea has merit: The US closes its borders & the rest 
of the world trades around it. There would be no reason to sell the US our 
oil as the US would not be able to export its useless products: think no more 
useless Disney! No US Armaments to the rest of the world! (either sold or 
missdelivered as 'anti-terrorist acts').
  I love the idea

regards, a peace loving Aussie... 

On Sunday 05 June 2005 7:31, lisa simpson wrote:
> You gotta love Robin Williams... Leave it to Robin
> Williams to come up  with the perfect plan .. what we
> need now is for our UN Ambassador to  stand up and
> repeat this message.
>
>  Robin William's plan. (Hard to argue with this
> logic!)
>
>  I see a lot of people yelling for peace but I have
> not heard of a plan  for peace. So, here's one plan.
>
>  1.) The US will apologize to the world for our
> "interference" in their  affairs, past &present. You
> know, Hitler, Mussolini, Tojo, Noriega,  Milosevic and
> the rest of those 'good ole boys,' We will never
>  "interfere"  again.
>
>  2.) We will withdraw our troops from all over the
> world, starting with  Germany, South Korea and the
> Philippines. They don't want us there. We  would
> station troops at our borders. No one sneaking through
> holes in  the fence.
>
>  3.) All illegal aliens have 90 days to get their
> affairs together and  leave. We'll give them a free
> trip home. After 90 days the remainder  will be
> gathered up and deported immediately, regardless of
> who or  where they are. France would welcome them.
>
>  4.) All future visitors will be thoroughly checked
> and limited to 90  days unless given a special permit.
> No one from a terrorist nation  would be allowed in.
> If you don't like it there, change it yourself and
> don't hide here. Asylum would never be available to
> anyone. We don't  need any more cab drivers or 7-11
> cashiers.
>
>  5.) No foreign "students" over age 21. The older ones
> are the bombers.  If they don't attend classes, they
> get a "D" and it's back home baby.
>
>  6.) The US will make a strong effort to become
> self-sufficient energy  wise.
>  This will include developing nonpolluting sources of
> energy but will  require a temporary drilling of oil
> in the Alaskan wilderness. The  caribou will have to
> cope for a while.
>
>  7.) Offer Saudi Arabia and other oil producing
> countries $10 a barrel  for their oil. If they don't
> like it, we go some place else. They can  go somewhere
> else to sell their production. (About a week of the
> wells  filling up the storage sites would be enough.)
>
>  8.) If there is a famine or other natural catastrophe
> in the world, we  will not "interfere," They can pray
> to Allah or whomever, for seeds,  rain, cement or
> whatever they need. Besides most of what we give them
>  is stolen or given to the army. The people who need
> it most get very  little, if anything.
>
>  9.) Ship the UN Headquarters to an isolated island
> some place. We don't need the spies and fair weather
> friends here. Besides, the building  would make a good
> homeless shelter or lockup for illegal aliens.
>
>  10.) All Americans must go to charm and beauty
> school. That way, no one  can call us "Ugly Americans"
> any longer. The Language we speak is
> ENGLISH.learn it...or LEAVE...Now, isn't that a
> winner of a plan.
>
>  "The Statue of Liberty is no longer saying 'Give me
> your poor, your  tired, your huddled masses.' She's
> got a baseball bat and she's  yelling, 'You want a
> piece of me?'"
>
>  ~~~If you agree with the above forward it to
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Re: [Biofuel] Glycerine as fuel

[Appal Energy]

Bill,

One would imagine that a gasifier would reduce all components of the 
glyc cocktail to syn gas and char.


Gasification is a novel thought to reducing that waste/co-product to 
nill though. No addition of anything. No chemical refining. No new 
energy inputs. No disposal problem with the remaining crude glycerol.


A standard ratio/mix of biomass to cocktail might be just the ticket.

Here is a gasifier that we've been eying for a couple of years now.

http://www.alternateheatingsystems.com/woodboilers.htm

It's the only one we've seen that might fit the ticket.

Todd Swearingen

Bill Clark wrote:


Hi to all,
 
Yesterday I visited a small wood veneer operation using a wood 
gasification unit to produce steam which heats the veneer driers.
They had previously been using LPG as a fuel source. The increase in 
the price of LPG was threatening to put them out of business. With the 
help of a grant from the State of Alabama they installed the new 
biomass gasification unit and paid it off ($500,000.00 USD) in a year 
and a half.
 
There is another industry here struggling with LPG prices. Chicken 
growers. These small rural farmers must heat their chicken houses 
during cool or cold weather. Each house is 60 ft. wide by 200 ft. 
long. They turn the houses over 6 times per year. Each time a flock is 
sold, a layer of litter (peanut hulls and chicken waste) must be 
removed from the floor of the house. While the litter poduced is being 
used on some farmland  (a problem in itself), there is a large glut of 
chicken litter piled around most of these farms. It is smelly, full of 
avian pathogens and is a serious leachate problem.
 
There is work being done to utilize this waste as a heat source for 
these houses. The Alabama Department of Economic and Community Affairs 
Science, Technology and Energy division (ADECA-STE) is very interested 
in biomass as energy and has a grant program aimed at agricultural 
energy efficiency.
 
Questions:
 
Can raw glycerine co-product from a biodiesel operation be effective 
as a source of syngas in a gasifier?
 
What implications from the soap content?
 
Proposal:
 
Since the removal of the litter from each house is a very dusty 
operation, utilize raw glycerine co-product as a dust settler on the 
surface of the litter with the added benefit of increasing the energy 
content of the biomass. Use the waste biomass as fuel in a wood 
gasification unit to produce heat for the chicken houses.
 
As some of you know, I am running a wvo to biodiesel project for the 
City of Eufaula, AL. I produce about 600 gal. of biodiesel per week 
leaving me with approximately 90 gal. of raw glycerine co-product. 
While this is not enough to treat the 400 chicken houses in the area, 
it may be enough to demonstrate this idea on one or two farms. If the 
addition of raw glycerine to chicken litter is workable,
perhaps it could create a reliable use for raw glycerine produced in a 
larger scale biodiesel plant. The raw glycerine could be sold for 
perhaps $.50-1.00 per gallon, a nice price that would have an impact 
on the feasibility of a local biodiesel operation.
 
I am just begining to think this through so any comments, positive or 
negative, would be appreciated.
 
Hoping all is well with each of you,
 
Bill Clark
 
 




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[Biofuel] Efficiency on the Immediate Event Horizon...

[Appal Energy]

Japan Squeezes to Get the Most of Costly Fuel
By JAMES BROOKE
Japan is urging citizens to replace their appliances and
buy hybrid vehicles, as part of an effort to save energy.

...

In Germany, where heating accounts for the largest share of home energy
use, a new energy saving law has as its standard the "seven-liter
house," designed to use just seven liters of oil to heat one square
meter for a year, about one-third the amount consumed by a house built
in 1973, before the first oil price shock. Three-liter houses - even
one-liter designs - are now being built.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/04/business/worldbusiness/04energy.html?th&emc=th


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Re: [Biofuel] Glycerine as fuel

[R Del Bueno]

Any concerns to possible toxic emissions...as with the concern of some SVOers?
I have heard that some nasty toxins are produced by the burning of crude 
glycerin..although I have no data on it.
Perhaps it is temperature (of combustion) related..and hence not an issue 
with a gasifier?



At 10:13 PM 6/4/2005, you wrote:

Bill,

One would imagine that a gasifier would reduce all components of the glyc 
cocktail to syn gas and char.


Gasification is a novel thought to reducing that waste/co-product to nill 
though. No addition of anything. No chemical refining. No new energy 
inputs. No disposal problem with the remaining crude glycerol.


A standard ratio/mix of biomass to cocktail might be just the ticket.

Here is a gasifier that we've been eying for a couple of years now.

http://www.alternateheatingsystems.com/woodboilers.htm

It's the only one we've seen that might fit the ticket.

Todd Swearingen

Bill Clark wrote:


Hi to all,

Yesterday I visited a small wood veneer operation using a wood 
gasification unit to produce steam which heats the veneer driers.
They had previously been using LPG as a fuel source. The increase in the 
price of LPG was threatening to put them out of business. With the help 
of a grant from the State of Alabama they installed the new biomass 
gasification unit and paid it off ($500,000.00 USD) in a year and a half.


There is another industry here struggling with LPG prices. Chicken 
growers. These small rural farmers must heat their chicken houses during 
cool or cold weather. Each house is 60 ft. wide by 200 ft. long. They 
turn the houses over 6 times per year. Each time a flock is sold, a layer 
of litter (peanut hulls and chicken waste) must be removed from the floor 
of the house. While the litter poduced is being used on some farmland  (a 
problem in itself), there is a large glut of chicken litter piled around 
most of these farms. It is smelly, full of avian pathogens and is a 
serious leachate problem.


There is work being done to utilize this waste as a heat source for these 
houses. The Alabama Department of Economic and Community Affairs Science, 
Technology and Energy division (ADECA-STE) is very interested in biomass 
as energy and has a grant program aimed at agricultural energy efficiency.


Questions:

Can raw glycerine co-product from a biodiesel operation be effective as a 
source of syngas in a gasifier?


What implications from the soap content?

Proposal:

Since the removal of the litter from each house is a very dusty 
operation, utilize raw glycerine co-product as a dust settler on the 
surface of the litter with the added benefit of increasing the energy 
content of the biomass. Use the waste biomass as fuel in a wood 
gasification unit to produce heat for the chicken houses.


As some of you know, I am running a wvo to biodiesel project for the City 
of Eufaula, AL. I produce about 600 gal. of biodiesel per week leaving me 
with approximately 90 gal. of raw glycerine co-product. While this is not 
enough to treat the 400 chicken houses in the area, it may be enough to 
demonstrate this idea on one or two farms. If the addition of raw 
glycerine to chicken litter is workable,
perhaps it could create a reliable use for raw glycerine produced in a 
larger scale biodiesel plant. The raw glycerine could be sold for perhaps 
$.50-1.00 per gallon, a nice price that would have an impact on the 
feasibility of a local biodiesel operation.


I am just begining to think this through so any comments, positive or 
negative, would be appreciated.


Hoping all is well with each of you,

Bill Clark





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Re: [Biofuel] Glycerine as fuel

[Appal Energy]

Acrolein is a co-/by-product of incomplete combustion of glycerol. One 
would think that at ~2,000* F (the "Wood Gun") the combustion process 
would be complete.


Todd Swearingen

R Del Bueno wrote:

Any concerns to possible toxic emissions...as with the concern of some 
SVOers?
I have heard that some nasty toxins are produced by the burning of 
crude glycerin..although I have no data on it.
Perhaps it is temperature (of combustion) related..and hence not an 
issue with a gasifier?



At 10:13 PM 6/4/2005, you wrote:


Bill,

One would imagine that a gasifier would reduce all components of the 
glyc cocktail to syn gas and char.


Gasification is a novel thought to reducing that waste/co-product to 
nill though. No addition of anything. No chemical refining. No new 
energy inputs. No disposal problem with the remaining crude glycerol.


A standard ratio/mix of biomass to cocktail might be just the ticket.

Here is a gasifier that we've been eying for a couple of years now.

http://www.alternateheatingsystems.com/woodboilers.htm

It's the only one we've seen that might fit the ticket.

Todd Swearingen

Bill Clark wrote:


Hi to all,

Yesterday I visited a small wood veneer operation using a wood 
gasification unit to produce steam which heats the veneer driers.
They had previously been using LPG as a fuel source. The increase in 
the price of LPG was threatening to put them out of business. With 
the help of a grant from the State of Alabama they installed the new 
biomass gasification unit and paid it off ($500,000.00 USD) in a 
year and a half.


There is another industry here struggling with LPG prices. Chicken 
growers. These small rural farmers must heat their chicken houses 
during cool or cold weather. Each house is 60 ft. wide by 200 ft. 
long. They turn the houses over 6 times per year. Each time a flock 
is sold, a layer of litter (peanut hulls and chicken waste) must be 
removed from the floor of the house. While the litter poduced is 
being used on some farmland  (a problem in itself), there is a large 
glut of chicken litter piled around most of these farms. It is 
smelly, full of avian pathogens and is a serious leachate problem.


There is work being done to utilize this waste as a heat source for 
these houses. The Alabama Department of Economic and Community 
Affairs Science, Technology and Energy division (ADECA-STE) is very 
interested in biomass as energy and has a grant program aimed at 
agricultural energy efficiency.


Questions:

Can raw glycerine co-product from a biodiesel operation be effective 
as a source of syngas in a gasifier?


What implications from the soap content?

Proposal:

Since the removal of the litter from each house is a very dusty 
operation, utilize raw glycerine co-product as a dust settler on the 
surface of the litter with the added benefit of increasing the 
energy content of the biomass. Use the waste biomass as fuel in a 
wood gasification unit to produce heat for the chicken houses.


As some of you know, I am running a wvo to biodiesel project for the 
City of Eufaula, AL. I produce about 600 gal. of biodiesel per week 
leaving me with approximately 90 gal. of raw glycerine co-product. 
While this is not enough to treat the 400 chicken houses in the 
area, it may be enough to demonstrate this idea on one or two farms. 
If the addition of raw glycerine to chicken litter is workable,
perhaps it could create a reliable use for raw glycerine produced in 
a larger scale biodiesel plant. The raw glycerine could be sold for 
perhaps $.50-1.00 per gallon, a nice price that would have an impact 
on the feasibility of a local biodiesel operation.


I am just begining to think this through so any comments, positive 
or negative, would be appreciated.


Hoping all is well with each of you,

Bill Clark



 



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Re: [Biofuel] Robin's solution... was: DA Drops...

[Kenneth Kron]

I personally don't see much logic in the email so I guess I wont argue
with it.  Of course there is much reason to believe it was not written
by Robin Williams
" (4/26/2003) This is yet another
'adopt-an-opinion" chain
letter that is popular not only because it says something many wish
they could have said, but also because it appears to come from somebody
famous."
http://www.breakthechain.org/exclusives/robinwilliams.html

so please don't call his publisher or harras him because if it.


lisa simpson wrote:

  You gotta love Robin Williams... Leave it to Robin
Williams to come up  with the perfect plan .. what we
need now is for our UN Ambassador to  stand up and
repeat this message.
 
 Robin William's plan. (Hard to argue with this
logic!)
 
 I see a lot of people yelling for peace but I have
not heard of a plan  for peace. So, here's one plan.
 
 1.) The US will apologize to the world for our
"interference" in their  affairs, past &present. You
know, Hitler, Mussolini, Tojo, Noriega,  Milosevic and
the rest of those 'good ole boys,' We will never
 "interfere"  again.
 
 2.) We will withdraw our troops from all over the
world, starting with  Germany, South Korea and the
Philippines. They don't want us there. We  would
station troops at our borders. No one sneaking through
holes in  the fence.
 
 3.) All illegal aliens have 90 days to get their
affairs together and  leave. We'll give them a free
trip home. After 90 days the remainder  will be
gathered up and deported immediately, regardless of
who or  where they are. France would welcome them.
 
 4.) All future visitors will be thoroughly checked
and limited to 90  days unless given a special permit.
No one from a terrorist nation  would be allowed in.
If you don't like it there, change it yourself and 
don't hide here. Asylum would never be available to
anyone. We don't  need any more cab drivers or 7-11
cashiers.
 
 5.) No foreign "students" over age 21. The older ones
are the bombers.  If they don't attend classes, they
get a "D" and it's back home baby. 
 
 6.) The US will make a strong effort to become
self-sufficient energy  wise.
 This will include developing nonpolluting sources of
energy but will  require a temporary drilling of oil
in the Alaskan wilderness. The  caribou will have to
cope for a while.
 
 7.) Offer Saudi Arabia and other oil producing
countries $10 a barrel  for their oil. If they don't
like it, we go some place else. They can  go somewhere
else to sell their production. (About a week of the
wells  filling up the storage sites would be enough.)
 
 8.) If there is a famine or other natural catastrophe
in the world, we  will not "interfere," They can pray
to Allah or whomever, for seeds,  rain, cement or
whatever they need. Besides most of what we give them
 is stolen or given to the army. The people who need
it most get very  little, if anything.
 
 9.) Ship the UN Headquarters to an isolated island
some place. We don't need the spies and fair weather
friends here. Besides, the building  would make a good
homeless shelter or lockup for illegal aliens.
 
 10.) All Americans must go to charm and beauty
school. That way, no one  can call us "Ugly Americans"
any longer. The Language we speak is 
ENGLISH.learn it...or LEAVE...Now, isn't that a
winner of a plan.
 
 "The Statue of Liberty is no longer saying 'Give me
your poor, your  tired, your huddled masses.' She's
got a baseball bat and she's  yelling, 'You want a
piece of me?'"
 
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Re: [Biofuel] Glycerine as fuel

[Bill Clark]

Sorry, error in my last post.
 
>...I am running a wvo to biodiesel project for 
the City of Eufaula, >AL. I produce about 600 gal. of biodiesel per week 
...
 
Should read "... I am running a biodiesel project 
for the City of Eufaula. I can produce about 600 gal. of biodiesel per 
week..."
 
Sorry again, I am a bad typist.
 
Bill Clark
 
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Re: [Biofuel] Glycerine as fuel

[Bill Clark]

Thanks Todd, That was extremely helpful.

Bill
- Original Message - 
From: "Appal Energy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2005 9:13 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Glycerine as fuel


> Bill,
>
> One would imagine that a gasifier would reduce all components of the
> glyc cocktail to syn gas and char.
>
> Gasification is a novel thought to reducing that waste/co-product to
> nill though. No addition of anything. No chemical refining. No new
> energy inputs. No disposal problem with the remaining crude glycerol.
>
> A standard ratio/mix of biomass to cocktail might be just the ticket.
>
> Here is a gasifier that we've been eying for a couple of years now.
>
> http://www.alternateheatingsystems.com/woodboilers.htm
>
> It's the only one we've seen that might fit the ticket.
>
> Todd Swearingen
>
> Bill Clark wrote:
>
> > Hi to all,
> >
> > Yesterday I visited a small wood veneer operation using a wood
> > gasification unit to produce steam which heats the veneer driers.
> > They had previously been using LPG as a fuel source. The increase in
> > the price of LPG was threatening to put them out of business. With the
> > help of a grant from the State of Alabama they installed the new
> > biomass gasification unit and paid it off ($500,000.00 USD) in a year
> > and a half.
> >
> > There is another industry here struggling with LPG prices. Chicken
> > growers. These small rural farmers must heat their chicken houses
> > during cool or cold weather. Each house is 60 ft. wide by 200 ft.
> > long. They turn the houses over 6 times per year. Each time a flock is
> > sold, a layer of litter (peanut hulls and chicken waste) must be
> > removed from the floor of the house. While the litter poduced is being
> > used on some farmland  (a problem in itself), there is a large glut of
> > chicken litter piled around most of these farms. It is smelly, full of
> > avian pathogens and is a serious leachate problem.
> >
> > There is work being done to utilize this waste as a heat source for
> > these houses. The Alabama Department of Economic and Community Affairs
> > Science, Technology and Energy division (ADECA-STE) is very interested
> > in biomass as energy and has a grant program aimed at agricultural
> > energy efficiency.
> >
> > Questions:
> >
> > Can raw glycerine co-product from a biodiesel operation be effective
> > as a source of syngas in a gasifier?
> >
> > What implications from the soap content?
> >
> > Proposal:
> >
> > Since the removal of the litter from each house is a very dusty
> > operation, utilize raw glycerine co-product as a dust settler on the
> > surface of the litter with the added benefit of increasing the energy
> > content of the biomass. Use the waste biomass as fuel in a wood
> > gasification unit to produce heat for the chicken houses.
> >
> > As some of you know, I am running a wvo to biodiesel project for the
> > City of Eufaula, AL. I produce about 600 gal. of biodiesel per week
> > leaving me with approximately 90 gal. of raw glycerine co-product.
> > While this is not enough to treat the 400 chicken houses in the area,
> > it may be enough to demonstrate this idea on one or two farms. If the
> > addition of raw glycerine to chicken litter is workable,
> > perhaps it could create a reliable use for raw glycerine produced in a
> > larger scale biodiesel plant. The raw glycerine could be sold for
> > perhaps $.50-1.00 per gallon, a nice price that would have an impact
> > on the feasibility of a local biodiesel operation.
> >
> > I am just begining to think this through so any comments, positive or
> > negative, would be appreciated.
> >
> > Hoping all is well with each of you,
> >
> > Bill Clark
> >
> >
> >
> >
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RE: [Biofuel] Bug Power

[Keith Addison]

Hello Mark


Starches are a type of sugar


Both are carbohydrates. Usually you need an enzyme (or mould) to 
convert starches to sugar. And a yeast to convert the sugar to 
ethanol, if it's ethanol you want.


Robert, are bacteria creatures or plants? "Microflora" they say. (Not 
that plants aren't creatures.) Amazing, yes. Not much is known about 
them. Most of the microbugs working away in a good compost pile 
(maybe 25,000 different types) haven't been identified yet, let alone 
their capabilities. IMO there's more and better to be gained via such 
research than nonsense like Big M's pesticide-resistant soybeans, eg.


Best wishes

Keith



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rabello
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Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Bug Power

Keith Addison wrote:

> At BIOCAP Canada's First National Conference in February 2005, a
> research team at the Wastewater Technology Centre and the University
of
> Waterloo in Ontario, Canada, presented a poster describing a prototype

> process for producing substantial amounts of hydrogen as well as
methane
> from potato waste [1].

This is very interesting.  I've experimented with using bacteria
to
produce hydrogen in an anaerobic environment, and it works well if the
feed stock is sugar based.  I wasn't aware they were capable of
breaking down starches.  Bacteria are amazing little creatures!

robert luis rabello
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Re: [Biofuel] Robin's solution... was: DA Drops...

[Jerry Turner]

AMEN
 
 
- Original Message - 
From: Michael Redler 

To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org 

Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2005 8:27 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Robin's solution... was: DA 
Drops...


Why do all the xenophobic emails end with:
 
"If you agree with the above forward it to afriend...If not, and I 
would be amazed, DELETE it !"
 
as if the third choice (spreading this email with a description of what 
it really is) is not an option.
 
After watching "Patch Adams", I have to believe that there is another Robin 
Williams who wrote this trash.
 
Be amazed Lisa...be very amazed!
 
Mike
lisa simpson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
You 
  gotta love Robin Williams... Leave it to RobinWilliams to come up with the 
  perfect plan .. what weneed now is for our UN Ambassador to stand up 
  andrepeat this message.Robin William's plan. (Hard to argue with 
  thislogic!)I see a lot of people yelling for peace but I 
  havenot heard of a plan for peace. So, here's one plan.1.) The US 
  will apologize to the world for our"interference" in their affairs, past 
  &present. Youknow, Hitler, Mussolini, Tojo, Noriega, Milosevic 
  andthe rest of those 'good ole boys,' We will never"interfere" 
  again.2.) We will withdraw our troops from all over theworld, 
  starting with Germany, South Korea and thePhilippines. They don't want us 
  there. We wouldstation troops at our borders. No one sneaking 
  throughholes in the fence.3.) All illegal aliens have 90 da! ys to 
  get theiraffairs together and leave. We'll give them a freetrip home. 
  After 90 days the remainder will begathered up and deported immediately, 
  regardless ofwho or where they are. France would welcome them.4.) 
  All future visitors will be thoroughly checkedand limited to 90 days 
  unless given a special permit.No one from a terrorist nation would be 
  allowed in.If you don't like it there, change it yourself and don't 
  hide here. Asylum would never be available toanyone. We don't need any 
  more cab drivers or 7-11cashiers.5.) No foreign "students" over 
  age 21. The older onesare the bombers. If they don't attend classes, 
  theyget a "D" and it's back home baby. 6.) The US will make a 
  strong effort to becomeself-sufficient energy wise.This will include 
  developing nonpolluting sources ofenergy but will require a temporary 
  drilling of oilin the Alaskan wilderness. The caribou will have tocope 
  for a while.7.) Offer Saudi Arabia and other oil 
  producingcountries $10 a barrel for their oil. If they don'tlike it, 
  we go some place else. They can go somewhereelse to sell their production. 
  (About a week of thewells filling up the storage sites would be 
  enough.)8.) If there is a famine or other natural catastrophein 
  the world, we will not "interfere," They can prayto Allah or whomever, for 
  seeds, rain, cement orwhatever they need. Besides most of what we give 
  themis stolen or given to the army. The people who needit most get 
  very little, if anything.9.) Ship the UN Headquarters to an isolated 
  islandsome place. We don't need the spies and fair weatherfriends 
  here. Besides, the building would make a goodhomeless shelter or lockup 
  for illegal aliens.10.) All Americans must go to charm and 
  beautyschool. That way, no one can call us "Ugly Americans"any longer. 
  The Language we speak is ENGLISH.learn it...or LEAVE...Now, isn't that 
  awinner of a plan."The Statue of Liberty is no longer saying 'Give 
  meyour poor, your tired, your huddled masses.' She'sgot a baseball bat 
  and she's yelling, 'You want apiece of me?'"~~~If you agree with 
  the above forward it tofriend...If not, and I would be amazed, 
  DELETE it 
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Re: [Biofuel] Bug Power

[robert luis rabello]

Keith Addison wrote:



Both are carbohydrates.


	Cellulose is a carbohydrate too, but separating it from its lignin 
binder is not an easy task.  Acid hydrolysis is the most common method 
at this point, but I have papers buried in my files concerning an 
ammonia / pressure process that broke lignin bonds, cellulose and 
hemicellulose so that the resulting, simpler sugars could be worked on 
by bacteria to produce hydrogen gas.  I researched this process as a 
potential method of hydrogen production while I was more enthusiastic 
about hydrogen as an energy carrier than is characteristic of my 
belief today.


	In essence, the ammonia process involved a pressure tank loaded with 
cellulose rich material (straw, for instance) that was filled with 
ammonia and allowed to heat up until the pressure reached a certain 
point (the value escapes me, sorry!) for about fifteen minutes. 
Ammonia apparently penetrates lignin and plant sugars under pressure, 
and when the pressure is suddenly released (by opening a ball valve) 
the ammonia flashes from a liquid to a gas, and in doing so, bursts 
the lignin and cellulose bonds.  This is a procedure that could 
utilize solar heat energy and might have been cheaper than acid 
hydrolysis under the right circumstances.  However, aside from the two 
papers I read on the subject some years ago, I've never heard of it again.



Robert, are bacteria creatures or plants? "Microflora" they say. (Not 
that plants aren't creatures.)


	The division may be arbitrary, but prokaryote cells do not contain 
membrane bound organelles, such as a nucleus, golgi apparatus and 
mitochondria.  They are generally considered an older form of life 
than eukaryotic cells that evolutionary biologists believe evolved 
from them.  Eukaryotic cells also differ in that they contain 80 S 
cytoplasmic ribosomes, organelles responsible for protein synthesis. 
A prokayotic cell will not have a nucleus, so its DNA remains exposed 
within the cell.  Some species, anoxygenic photosynthetic bacteria, 
can grow as photoheterotrophs, photoautotrophs or chemoheterotrophs 
depending on the environment that surrounds them.  They are very 
amazing creatures!


 Amazing, yes. Not much is known about
them. Most of the microbugs working away in a good compost pile (maybe 
25,000 different types) haven't been identified yet, let alone their 
capabilities. IMO there's more and better to be gained via such research 
than nonsense like Big M's pesticide-resistant soybeans, eg.


If I were in charge, things would be different. . .

robert luis rabello
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