Re: [Biofuel] (off topic) looking for Jan Warnqvist

2005-10-26 Thread Chip Mefford

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Jan Warnqvist wrote:
 Sorry, Chip,
 the response failed to reach your e-mail adress twice, and I stored it in my
 other computer. I will re-send it again during the weekend
 Jan

Sorry, my bad. overly aggresive greylisting caught ip address
of leon.se, pretty much all of se in fact, which is strange,
as i do get mail from Sweden.

Shouldn't be a problem any more. Sorry about that.
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Re: [Biofuel] A new website

2005-10-26 Thread Rafal Szczesniak

On Mon, Oct 24, 2005 at 08:49:14AM -0600, Zeke Yewdall wrote:
 Huh?
 
 On 10/23/05, midori [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Content-Type: application/octet-stream;
  name=post[1].htm
  Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64
  Content-ID: L87Md53d
 

Looks like Midori's address has been forged over the net and used to
send out some virus/bug/spyware/whatever. It happens all the time
all over the network. Oh, those spammers... :(


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Re: [Biofuel] Scientific method- Easy Keith!

2005-10-26 Thread Evergreen Solutions

civil towards each other. I like to think we're here in the spirit of
motivating change and education, goodwill and a drive to fix some
things that are wrong with the world. Why be enemies if your fighting
the same fight? Seems counterproductive.On 10/25/05, Joe Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



  
  




Let's seesince your message originated from sbcglobal.net and you
don't know how to spell ridiculous, I'll go out on a limb here and
speculate that you are a fellow American. Sorry if I hit a nerve but
maybe you should take a look around. Since I am also American ( BTW
America refers to a couple of continents - not a country as is the
typical brash assumption of many US citizens) and when I refer to
American 'culture', I am referring to the US and it's subsidiary
Canada, I can do so without being accused of foreign bias (even though
we are all foreigners here who took over these lands from the native
people who were here first). We will leave Mexico out of the discussion
even though it is part of North America, due to the fact that it is
only important as our remote slave labour state. I wasn't referring to
all Americans, I was referring to Brian, but the validity of my
statement in general terms still stands. That is the problem with
generalizations, there are always a few exceptions. I wish there were
more.
 I don't know what Arabs, French and Russians have to do with
anything but on the subject of terrorism, perhaps you should educate
yourself as to what your own government, and the corporations who
control it, is up to in the world if indeed my assumption as to your
origin is correct. Check out Noam Chomsky's Power and Terror
for a clue (it is available in video form so you don't have to be able
to read something lengthy with complicated sentence structure).

Joe



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[Biofuel] Yahoo tutorial on podcasting

2005-10-26 Thread Kirk McLoren


Want to make your own podcasts? Here's how.

Kirk
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[Biofuel] Still looking for a cheap TEFC motor

2005-10-26 Thread Ken Dunn

I was looking back through to archives tonight to see if I could maybe
stumble across a source for cheap TEFC motors and I found one of the
many references to the clear water pumps available through Harbor
Freight and Northern Tool and such.  Upon checking out Harbor Freight,
I noticed that they are selling a 1 inch clear water pump for
$29.99USD.  Here is the link: 
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=1479 
Looking at the image provided, I might assume that the motor matched
up to the pump is a TEFC motor.  I wonder if someone could provide
some assistance.  Is it in fact a TEFC motor?  What sort of HP are we
talking about?  Could I disassemble the pump and use the motor to
drive my planned stir biodiesel process?

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Re: [Biofuel] Still looking for a cheap TEFC motor

2005-10-26 Thread Kurt Nolte

is, but... I do have an assortment of various old tool and appliance
motors here at the house that I could probably come up with a way to
part with. Would one of those work?

-KurtOn 10/25/05, Ken Dunn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I was looking back through to archives tonight to see if I could maybestumble across a source for cheap TEFC motors and I found one of themany references to the clear water pumps available through HarborFreight and Northern Tool and such.Upon checking out Harbor Freight,
I noticed that they are selling a 1 inch clear water pump for$29.99USD.Here is the link:http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=1479
Looking at the image provided, I might assume that the motor matchedup to the pump is a TEFC motor.I wonder if someone could providesome assistance.Is it in fact a TEFC motor?What sort of HP are we
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Re: [Biofuel] Scientific method- Easy Keith!

2005-10-26 Thread Derick Giorchino








You get not too much of an argument from
me but. It seems you are intent on grouping all Americans as one.

I also have more than one citizenship.
But I went to war for this country and would do it over, for the right reasons,
when I came to America
many years ago it was the envy of the world. And I feel it still would be. If not
for the government and corporate B.S. It disgusts me, but I dont include
myself as part of that. All I can do is try in my own way to change things for the
better. If not for me but maybe my kids and grand kids. Not that I think it
will ever be as it was. But surly it could stand just a tad of improvement.











From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Michael Redler
Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005
7:35 AM
To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Scientific
method- Easy Keith!

















OK, you have my attention.













Derick wrote: Not all Americans are
lazy stupid or helpless.











As an American, I'd like to think that this is true.
In fact, I don't thinkthat Americans aremore lazy than any other
country or culture. Despite being the most obese country in the world, we find
ourselves in the workplace at least as many hours as any other country in the
world.











Joe wrote: This explains the typical american
arrogance that drips from his rhetoric and which irritates you so well.











There are expectations by Americans that other
countries and cultures recognize us as somehow superior. If anyone doubts this,
here is a little experiment: Take comments so commonlyheard in political
speeches as well as at backyard barbecues (i.e. We are the greatest
country in the world) and apply it to Germany (for example). In fact,
when an Americanpresident (especially our current president) makes a
speech and it's translated into German andThe United States
is replaced with Germany,
I would argue that manyAmericans would be shocked thatANYhead
of state would make such a speech. This is the American double standard which I
like to call a kind of pseudo-mutuality since there are still a few countries
who arepolitically and culturally aligned with this image.











There issomething terribly wrong with our
culture and it's just outside the view of most citizens.
CallingAmericanslazy though, isinaccurate
andminimizesour long list of troubles.











This is what I mean by list. You try to
connect the dots.











1.) We have more homicides in our major
cities than casualties inwar (irrespective of the circumstancesin
that war).











2.) We have abizarre view of
leadership and fairness by virtue of the fact that thepresident
(irrespective of which president) is pledged allegiance even when he (not
she -yet) takes action which adversely effects the majority of
citizens. At the same time, Americans are knownfor supporting the
underdog and down trodden - almost as if to perpetuate and preserve
this demographic.











3.) We struggle to have a standard of K-12
education that matches that of other developed countries while placing huge
emphasis on faith and mixed interpretations of morality.











4.) Half of the citizens in the United States
do not support a document which prevented dictatorships and provided the means
for citizens to prosper for the last two and a half centuries. At the same
time, the same proportion of citizens don't show up to vote for (arguably) the
most powerful political position in the free world.











http://www.radessays.com/viewpaper.php?nats=MTAxMToyOjErequest=38800











http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a397df8d00620.htm











5.) Despite being a republic,the US government
has taken it upon itself to preach democracy to other countries - countries
with better representation of their citizens through coalition governments,
better voter turnout and more opportunities for referendums.











6.) We have a so called free press which
either hides or glorifies the last five points according to a political agenda,
making Americans believe that journalism here is as comprehensive as that in
otherdeveloped countries.











...and the list goes on.











One last note: I have a dual citizenship which allows
me to permanently move out of the country. However, my other list
of things that I love about my country (having nothing to do with government or
politics) keeps me here. I prefer to stay and be one of many voices of dissent.












Mike











Other References:





http://www.atheists.org/flash.line/atheism9.htm





http://gozips.uakron.edu/~david27/flm/chap9.htm





http://www.accd.edu/pac/humaniti/colby/L19.htm

















Derick Giorchino
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 







That is about the most ridicules statement
I have seen in some time. Not all Americans are lazy stupid or helpless. Why
dont you say all Arabs are terrorists?

All the French smell all Russians are
drunks except?











From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [Biofuel] Still looking for a cheap TEFC motor

2005-10-26 Thread Derick Giorchino

I have had my pump apart, brass or bronze impeller the motor seems to be
sealed and has an external cooling fan. I think it is a 1/4 hp motor.
As for using it to spin a mixer I think it maybe a lot to ask inrush could
do some harm until the oil gets going and the r.p.m. would give you one hell
of a vortex. 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ken Dunn
Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 8:42 PM
To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Subject: [Biofuel] Still looking for a cheap TEFC motor

I was looking back through to archives tonight to see if I could maybe
stumble across a source for cheap TEFC motors and I found one of the
many references to the clear water pumps available through Harbor
Freight and Northern Tool and such.  Upon checking out Harbor Freight,
I noticed that they are selling a 1 inch clear water pump for
$29.99USD.  Here is the link: 
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=1479 
Looking at the image provided, I might assume that the motor matched
up to the pump is a TEFC motor.  I wonder if someone could provide
some assistance.  Is it in fact a TEFC motor?  What sort of HP are we
talking about?  Could I disassemble the pump and use the motor to
drive my planned stir biodiesel process?

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Re: [Biofuel] A new website

2005-10-26 Thread Doug Foskey

Good reason to go Linux.

regards Doug

On Wednesday 26 October 2005 9:20, Rafal Szczesniak wrote:
 On Mon, Oct 24, 2005 at 08:49:14AM -0600, Zeke Yewdall wrote:
  Huh?
 
  On 10/23/05, midori [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   Content-Type: application/octet-stream;
   name=post[1].htm
   Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64
   Content-ID: L87Md53d

 Looks like Midori's address has been forged over the net and used to
 send out some virus/bug/spyware/whatever. It happens all the time
 all over the network. Oh, those spammers... :(

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Re: [Biofuel] best oil to make BD

2005-10-26 Thread Tom Irwin




Hi Tony,

I recall reading about them in the archives. I remember them being a tad on the pricy side. I cannot get them in my location unless I become an importer. I supposeone could make them. Hmmm, yet another thing to research but much later.

Tom Irwin


From: tony [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSent: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 14:15:28 -0300Subject: Re: [Biofuel] best oil to make BDHi,Are there additives or chemicals that can be added to biodiesels madewith oils of low iodine values to lower its melting point for use incolder climates?TonyOn 10/25/05, Tom Irwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: The Biodiesel made from animal fat (beef) begins to solidify at about 14 C and completely solidifies at 10 C. Other animal fats or any mixes I have not worked with as yet. This information is in table form on the JTF site. Tom Irwin___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/




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Re: [Biofuel] Scientific method- Easy Keith!

2005-10-26 Thread Tom Irwin




Ahhh! More stories of the rich rampaging through the countryside, throwing axes and torches in hand, burning down the huts of the poor. Curse those barbarians! If only we could do something about it! But alas, we only make up 99% of the population. 

Big Smile,

Tom Irwin



From: Kenji James Fuse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSent: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 13:59:52 -0300Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Scientific method- Easy Keith!Don't forget all the stupid and lazy Canadians up here. We've managed tovote in a provinicial neo-con guv'ment up in british Columbia which can gohead to head with yours, selling off public utilities and ripping upworkers contracts faster than you can say "our premier was busted fordrunk driving in the USA".And that's just following the overall trend in Canada towards an agenda ofprivatization, corporate back-bending and 'harmonization' 'twixt the USand Kanada.Back when I offensively asked about a centralized co-op type affair forbiodiesel producers, part of the goal was to fight public corporations. Asfar as I can tell, most turmoil comes from the fact that the big companiesmust continually increase their profits on a quarterly basis, which isjust not achievable anymore unless they resort to drastic measures.The upcoming battle to destroy the stock market may be initiated andcompleted by the success of alternative corporations which take the careto create articles of incorporation which strategically take into accounthuman greed (wage caps) and endeavour to make airtight clauses to disallowcompany sale, and prohibition to going public.Whether this argument is misguided or not remains to be seen. Anyways, Ienjoy good arguments (already had some) so I await responses!KF___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/




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Re: [Biofuel] A new website

2005-10-26 Thread Chip Mefford

Doug Foskey wrote:
 Good reason to go Linux.

Using linux does a whole lot of good, but
it doesn't cure colds (yet) and it doesn't
stop other folks from forging your return
address. Lotta reasons to go to Linux,
but this isn't really among'em.

 
 regards Doug
 
 On Wednesday 26 October 2005 9:20, Rafal Szczesniak wrote:
 
On Mon, Oct 24, 2005 at 08:49:14AM -0600, Zeke Yewdall wrote:

Huh?

On 10/23/05, midori [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Content-Type: application/octet-stream;
name=post[1].htm
Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64
Content-ID: L87Md53d

Looks like Midori's address has been forged over the net and used to
send out some virus/bug/spyware/whatever. It happens all the time
all over the network. Oh, those spammers... :(
 
 
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Re: [Biofuel] A new website

2005-10-26 Thread Rafal Szczesniak

On Wed, Oct 26, 2005 at 04:54:01PM +1000, Doug Foskey wrote:
 Good reason to go Linux.

It doesn't really matter. If one of your addresses is publicly available
(either on a website or mailing list archives) it will be abused this
way sooner or later. I use Linux and FreeBSD all the time and it
happened to me too (several times). Naturally, using Windows mail
readers exposes you more due to impact the mail worms and viruses have
on internet these days, but just using Linux is not an ultimate solution.


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Re: [Biofuel] A new website

2005-10-26 Thread Mike Weaver

It helps, but trust me as much as I like it - Linux is not immune.

Doug Foskey wrote:
 Good reason to go Linux.
 
 regards Doug
 
 On Wednesday 26 October 2005 9:20, Rafal Szczesniak wrote:
 
On Mon, Oct 24, 2005 at 08:49:14AM -0600, Zeke Yewdall wrote:

Huh?

On 10/23/05, midori [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Content-Type: application/octet-stream;
name=post[1].htm
Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64
Content-ID: L87Md53d

Looks like Midori's address has been forged over the net and used to
send out some virus/bug/spyware/whatever. It happens all the time
all over the network. Oh, those spammers... :(
 
 
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Re: [Biofuel] Scientific method- Easy Keith!

2005-10-26 Thread Mike Weaver

War.  Jeez, where IS Osama Bin Laden?  I did not protest that decision. 
  In fact, I think we owe the Afganis a country.

Iraq:  Has this been a UN action with the neighboring Arab countries 
supporting it, I would have also.  This is when I believed that Saddam 
had WMD.  Knowing that this was not true, I would NOT have supported 
invasion.  I would have supported the UN and the world squeezing him on 
his civil rights, just like we're doing in Burma and oh, never mind.



Derick Giorchino wrote:
 You get not too much of an argument from me but. It seems you are intent 
 on grouping all Americans as one.
 
  I also have more than one citizenship. But I went to war for this 
 country and would do it over, for the right reasons, when I came to 
 America many years ago it was the envy of the world. And I feel it still 
 would be. If not for the government and corporate B.S. It disgusts me, 
 but I don’t include myself as part of that. All I can do is try in my 
 own way to change things for the better. If not for me but maybe my kids 
 and grand kids. Not that I think it will ever be as it was. But surly it 
 could stand just a tad of improvement.
 
  
 
 
 
 *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Michael Redler
 *Sent:* Tuesday, October 25, 2005 7:35 AM
 *To:* Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
 *Subject:* Re: [Biofuel] Scientific method- Easy Keith!
 
  
 
 OK, you have my attention.
 
  
 
 Derick wrote: Not all Americans are lazy stupid or helpless.
 
  
 
 As an American, I'd like to think that this is true. In fact, I don't 
 think that Americans are more lazy than any other country or culture. 
 Despite being the most obese country in the world, we find ourselves in 
 the workplace at least as many hours as any other country in the world.
 
  
 
 Joe wrote: This explains the typical american arrogance that drips from 
 his rhetoric and which irritates you so well.
 
  
 
 There are expectations by Americans that other countries and cultures 
 recognize us as somehow superior. If anyone doubts this, here is a 
 little experiment: Take comments so commonly heard in political speeches 
 as well as at backyard barbecues (i.e. We are the greatest country in 
 the world) and apply it to Germany (for example). In fact, when an 
 American president (especially our current president) makes a speech and 
 it's translated into German and The United States is replaced with 
 Germany, I would argue that many Americans would be shocked 
 that ANY head of state would make such a speech. This is the American 
 double standard which I like to call a kind of pseudo-mutuality since 
 there are still a few countries who are politically and culturally 
 aligned with this image. 
 
  
 
 There is something terribly wrong with our culture and it's just outside 
 the view of most citizens. Calling Americans lazy though, 
 is inaccurate and minimizes our long list of troubles.
 
  
 
 This is what I mean by list. You try to connect the dots.
 
  
 
 1.) We have more homicides in our major cities than casualties in war 
 (irrespective of the circumstances in that war).
 
  
 
 2.) We have a bizarre view of leadership and fairness by virtue of the 
 fact that the president (irrespective of which president) is pledged 
 allegiance even when he (not she -yet) takes action which adversely 
 effects the majority of citizens. At the same time, Americans are 
 known for supporting the underdog and down trodden - almost as if to 
 perpetuate and preserve this demographic.
 
  
 
 3.) We struggle to have a standard of K-12 education that matches that 
 of other developed countries while placing huge emphasis on faith and 
 mixed interpretations of morality.
 
  
 
 4.) Half of the citizens in the United States do not support a document 
 which prevented dictatorships and provided the means for citizens to 
 prosper for the last two and a half centuries. At the same time, the 
 same proportion of citizens don't show up to vote for (arguably) the 
 most powerful political position in the free world.
 
  
 
 http://www.radessays.com/viewpaper.php?nats=MTAxMToyOjErequest=38800 
 http://www.radessays.com/viewpaper.php?nats=MTAxMToyOjErequest=38800
 
  
 
 http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a397df8d00620.htm
 
  
 
 5.) Despite being a republic, the US government has taken it upon itself 
 to preach democracy to other countries - countries with better 
 representation of their citizens through coalition governments, better 
 voter turnout and more opportunities for referendums.
 
  
 
 6.) We have a so called free press which either hides or glorifies the 
 last five points according to a political agenda, making Americans 
 believe that journalism here is as comprehensive as that in 
 other developed countries.
 
  
 
 ...and the list goes on.
 
  
 
 One last note: I have a dual citizenship which allows me to permanently 
 move out of the 

Re: [Biofuel] Still looking for a cheap TEFC motor

2005-10-26 Thread Ken Dunn

1/4 horse should be fine.  I wonder if they happen to be capacitor
start motors.  I'm not certain that cap start is a necessity but, it
couldn't hurt.  I believe that one hell of a vortex is just what the
doctor ordered...maybe I misunderstand though.

Thanks for your comments,

On 10/26/05, Derick Giorchino [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I have had my pump apart, brass or bronze impeller the motor seems to be
 sealed and has an external cooling fan. I think it is a 1/4 hp motor.
 As for using it to spin a mixer I think it maybe a lot to ask inrush could
 do some harm until the oil gets going and the r.p.m. would give you one hell
 of a vortex.

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ken Dunn
 Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 8:42 PM
 To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
 Subject: [Biofuel] Still looking for a cheap TEFC motor

 I was looking back through to archives tonight to see if I could maybe
 stumble across a source for cheap TEFC motors and I found one of the
 many references to the clear water pumps available through Harbor
 Freight and Northern Tool and such.  Upon checking out Harbor Freight,
 I noticed that they are selling a 1 inch clear water pump for
 $29.99USD.  Here is the link:
 http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=1479
 Looking at the image provided, I might assume that the motor matched
 up to the pump is a TEFC motor.  I wonder if someone could provide
 some assistance.  Is it in fact a TEFC motor?  What sort of HP are we
 talking about?  Could I disassemble the pump and use the motor to
 drive my planned stir biodiesel process?

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Re: [Biofuel] Still looking for a cheap TEFC motor

2005-10-26 Thread Joe Street

I don't know about a TEFC motor but while on the subject I thought I 
would throw in an idea for a really low cost stirrer I built that was 
too easy.  It may be too light for large batches but is perfect for 30 
liters or maybe more.  I picked up some surplus electric pencil 
erasers.  A 1/4 inch shaft fits perfectly where the eraser rod used to 
fit.  Tap the end of the shaft with a 4-40 thread and put a plastic 
model boat prop on.  I use this for mixing methoxide (stainless rod) all 
the time.  It is a very quiet motor :-) 

Joe


  I wonder if someone could provide
some assistance.  Is it in fact a TEFC motor?  What sort of HP are we
talking about?  Could I disassemble the pump and use the motor to
drive my planned stir biodiesel process?

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Re: [Biofuel] best oil to make BD

2005-10-26 Thread Keith Addison

x-richThe answer is No. Paul O'Brien of Biofuel Systems says about their
Wintron cloud-point depressant: There are still some types of
biodiesel that can't be winterised (such as tallow biodiesel and palm
oil biodiesel due to the fact they are so saturated -- double bonds are
needed to modify the viscosity and pour point etc.).


I think that's a general principle. It says this at our Biodiesel in
winter page:


To make WVO biodiesel for winter, heat the oil first, then cool it to
near 0 deg C (32 deg F); the saturated fats will crystallise out and
sink to the bottom. Use the clear oil off the top to make winter
biodiesel, keep the stuff at the bottom for summer. But even this
winterized biodiesel still won't go much below -5 deg C (23 deg F)
without gelling.


http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_winter.html

Biodiesel in winter


We imported Wintron from the UK to Japan without any difficulty, it
wasn't expensive, it works well.


Winterisers/pour-point depressants are not so easy to make. We're
working with a company here in Japan on veg-oil based pour-point
depressants, works very well, but not with high-melting point oils. 


Best


Keith 



excerptHi Tony,

 

I recall reading about them in the archives. I remember them being a
tad on the pricy side. I cannot get them in my location unless I become
an importer. I suppose one could make them. Hmmm, yet another thing to
research but much later.

 

Tom Irwin 


paraindentparamright,left/param

boldFrom:/bold tony [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

boldTo:/bold Biofuel@sustainablelists.org

boldSent:/bold Tue, 25 Oct 2005 14:15:28 -0300

boldSubject:/bold Re: [Biofuel] best oil to make BD


Hi,

Are there additives or chemicals that can be added to biodiesels made

with oils of low iodine values to lower its melting point for use in

colder climates?


Tony


On 10/25/05, Tom Irwin wrote:



 The Biodiesel made from animal fat (beef) begins to solidify at about
14 C

 and completely solidifies at 10 C. Other animal fats or any mixes I
have not

 worked with as yet. This information is in table form on the JTF
site.



 Tom Irwin

/paraindent/excerpt



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Re: [Biofuel] Still looking for a cheap TEFC motor

2005-10-26 Thread Ken Dunn

Kurt,

Totally Enclosed Fan Cooled - TEFC.  If you follow link on my original
post, the pump displayed has a motor attached to looks generally like
a TEFC motor.  I don't know that it is though.  The nice thing about a
TEFC motor is that the windings of the motor are enclosed.  That helps
to REDUCE the possibility of problems due to sparks.  Considerig that
I'm building my processor in the garage (which is under part of my
house), I want to take every realistic precaution.  Furthermore, we do
our homebrew community harm by not being responsible.

Take care,



On 10/25/05, Kurt Nolte [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I'm going to just admit right now that I have no clue what a TEFC motor is,
 but... I do have an assortment of various old tool and appliance motors here
 at the house that I could probably come up with a way to part with. Would
 one of those work?

  -Kurt


 On 10/25/05, Ken Dunn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  I was looking back through to archives tonight to see if I could maybe
  stumble across a source for cheap TEFC motors and I found one of the
  many references to the clear water pumps available through Harbor
  Freight and Northern Tool and such.  Upon checking out Harbor Freight,
  I noticed that they are selling a 1 inch clear water pump for
  $29.99USD.  Here is the link:
 
 http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=1479
  Looking at the image provided, I might assume that the motor matched
  up to the pump is a TEFC motor.  I wonder if someone could provide
  some assistance.  Is it in fact a TEFC motor?  What sort of HP are we
  talking about?  Could I disassemble the pump and use the motor to
  drive my planned stir biodiesel process?
 
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Re: [Biofuel] Still looking for a cheap TEFC motor

2005-10-26 Thread Rob Rogers








TEFC is Totally Enclosed Fan Cooled
motor. 











From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Kurt Nolte
Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005
10:51 PM
To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Still
looking for a cheap TEFC motor





I'm going to just admit
right now that I have no clue what a TEFC motor is, but... I do have an
assortment of various old tool and appliance motors here at the house that I
could probably come up with a way to part with. Would one of those work?

-Kurt



On 10/25/05, Ken
Dunn [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

I was looking back
through to archives tonight to see if I could maybe
stumble across a source for cheap TEFC motors and I found one of the
many references to the clear water pumps available through Harbor
Freight and Northern Tool and such.Upon checking out Harbor
Freight, 
I noticed that they are selling a 1 inch clear water pump for
$29.99USD.Here is the link:
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=1479

Looking at the image provided, I might assume that the motor matched
up to the pump is a TEFC motor.I wonder if someone could provide
some assistance.Is it in fact a TEFC motor?What sort of
HP are we
talking about?Could I disassemble the pump and use the motor to
drive my planned stir biodiesel process?

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Re: [Biofuel] Scientific method- Easy Keith!

2005-10-26 Thread Joe Street




Well Evergreen;

You are the first to suggest anything about being enemies. I certainly
wasn't seeing it that way. I am just trying to be forthright about the
way that I see things. It is my opinion of course, based on
observation. This discussion started about why it is that some folks
seem to find difficulty with following some rather clear and simple
instructions on J2F and ended up with some very defensive statements
whch is regrettable, but let's not lose site of the fact that my
comments were generalizations about my own society. The sad fact that
my society is declining into a decadent shadow of what it could be has
a lot to do with the way it is organized and the lazy self serving
attitudes that are promoted every day and swallowed wholesale by far
too many. My reluctance to censor my views about these issues does not
necessarily constitute an attack unless you choose to see it that way,
which is not surprising since the alternative does not afford one the
easy way out. Then again, the expectation that the easy way is the
preferred path was kinda central to my original comments.

Joe

Evergreen Solutions wrote:
Eep. I enjoy a heated debate, but I wish you guys were a
little more
civil towards each other. I like to think we're here in the spirit of
motivating change and education, goodwill and a drive to fix some
things that are wrong with the world. Why be enemies if your fighting
the same fight? Seems counterproductive.
  
  On 10/25/05, Joe Street [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
  
  
Let's seesince your message originated from sbcglobal.net
and you
don't know how to spell ridiculous, I'll go out on a limb here and
speculate that you are a fellow American. Sorry if I hit a nerve but
maybe you should take a look around. Since I am also American ( BTW
America refers to a couple of continents - not a country as is the
typical brash assumption of many US citizens) and when I refer to
American 'culture', I am referring to the US and it's subsidiary
Canada, I can do so without being accused of foreign bias (even though
we are all foreigners here who took over these lands from the native
people who were here first). We will leave Mexico out of the discussion
even though it is part of North America, due to the fact that it is
only important as our remote slave labour state. I wasn't referring to
all Americans, I was referring to Brian, but the validity of my
statement in general terms still stands. That is the problem with
generalizations, there are always a few exceptions. I wish there were
more.
 I don't know what Arabs, French and Russians have to do with
anything but on the subject of terrorism, perhaps you should educate
yourself as to what your own government, and the corporations who
control it, is up to in the world if indeed my assumption as to your
origin is correct. Check out Noam Chomsky's Power and Terror
for a clue (it is available in video form so you don't have to be able
to read something lengthy with complicated sentence structure).

Joe

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Re: [Biofuel] best oil to make BD

2005-10-26 Thread bob allen

My biodiesel comes from cooking oil that is about half saturated and 
half unsaturated:  methyl palmitate, methyl oleate, methyl linoleate.

It is good down to at least -3 celcius (this morning on the way to 
school) If it gets much colder I get in trouble so for lower temps, I 
start blending in fossil diesel.


Keith Addison wrote:
 The answer is No. Paul O'Brien of Biofuel Systems says about their 
 Wintron cloud-point depressant: There are still some types of biodiesel 
 that can't be winterised (such as tallow biodiesel and palm oil 
 biodiesel due to the fact they are so saturated -- double bonds are 
 needed to modify the viscosity and pour point etc.).
 
 I think that's a general principle. It says this at our Biodiesel in 
 winter page:
 
 To make WVO biodiesel for winter, heat the oil first, then cool it to 
 near 0 deg C (32 deg F); the saturated fats will crystallise out and 
 sink to the bottom. Use the clear oil off the top to make winter 
 biodiesel, keep the stuff at the bottom for summer. But even this 
 winterized biodiesel still won't go much below -5 deg C (23 deg F) 
 without gelling.
 
 http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_winter.html
 Biodiesel in winter
 
 We imported Wintron from the UK to Japan without any difficulty, it 
 wasn't expensive, it works well.
 
 Winterisers/pour-point depressants are not so easy to make. We're 
 working with a company here in Japan on veg-oil based pour-point 
 depressants, works very well, but not with high-melting point oils.
 
 Best
 
 Keith
 
 
 Hi Tony,
 
 
 I recall reading about them in the archives. I remember them being a
 tad on the pricy side. I cannot get them in my location unless I
 become an importer. I suppose one could make them. Hmmm, yet another
 thing to research but much later.
 
 
 Tom Irwin
 
 
 *From:* tony [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 *To:* Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
 *Sent:* Tue, 25 Oct 2005 14:15:28 -0300
 *Subject:* Re: [Biofuel] best oil to make BD
 
 Hi,
 Are there additives or chemicals that can be added to biodiesels made
 with oils of low iodine values to lower its melting point for use in
 colder climates?
 
 Tony
 
 On 10/25/05, Tom Irwin wrote:
  
   The Biodiesel made from animal fat (beef) begins to solidify at
 about 14 C
   and completely solidifies at 10 C. Other animal fats or any mixes
 I have not
   worked with as yet. This information is in table form on the JTF
 site.
  
   Tom Irwin
 
 
 
 



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Re: [Biofuel] Yahoo tutorial on podcasting

2005-10-26 Thread Joe Street




Hey Kirk;

The instructions on page 3 say replace all the blue text with your own
info. Trouble is no matter what browser I use, all the text is black!
I can make some guesses of course but might easily miss something
because I know squat about HTML coding. Have you published anything yet?

Joe

Kirk McLoren wrote:

  http://podcasts.yahoo.com/publish
  
  Want to make your own podcasts? Here's how.
  
  Kirk
   
   Yahoo!
FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click.
  

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Re: [Biofuel] Still looking for a cheap TEFC motor

2005-10-26 Thread Ken Dunn

I had a moment of clarity and called a local electric motor repair
shop.  It would seem that they might have something that someone
decided not to pay to bill for.  It would also seem that they might be
willing to move it cheap to recoup expenses.  Lo and behold, they have
a 1/2 hp TEFC motor with a weak low speed (1200 +- RPM) but a strong
high speed (1720+- RPM).  The price is good, the best I've found.  Is
this thing going to be total overkill for a 55 gallon stir processor,
though?

Take care,
Ken

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Re: [Biofuel] Still looking for a cheap TEFC motor

2005-10-26 Thread Keith Addison

Kurt,

Totally Enclosed Fan Cooled - TEFC.  If you follow link on my original
post, the pump displayed has a motor attached to looks generally like
a TEFC motor.  I don't know that it is though.

Yes it is. More info here:

http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_processor10.html#pumpcap
Journey to Forever 90-litre processor

These pumps have been used for years by biodieselers and have proved 
safe and reliable, even if they are often used in processors that are 
much too big for them (eg Appleseed water heater processors).

Best wishes

Keith


The nice thing about a
TEFC motor is that the windings of the motor are enclosed.  That helps
to REDUCE the possibility of problems due to sparks.  Considerig that
I'm building my processor in the garage (which is under part of my
house), I want to take every realistic precaution.  Furthermore, we do
our homebrew community harm by not being responsible.

Take care,



On 10/25/05, Kurt Nolte [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I'm going to just admit right now that I have no clue what a TEFC motor is,
  but... I do have an assortment of various old tool and appliance 
motors here
  at the house that I could probably come up with a way to part with. Would
  one of those work?
 
   -Kurt
 
 
  On 10/25/05, Ken Dunn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
   I was looking back through to archives tonight to see if I could maybe
   stumble across a source for cheap TEFC motors and I found one of the
   many references to the clear water pumps available through Harbor
   Freight and Northern Tool and such.  Upon checking out Harbor Freight,
   I noticed that they are selling a 1 inch clear water pump for
   $29.99USD.  Here is the link:
  
  http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=1479
   Looking at the image provided, I might assume that the motor matched
   up to the pump is a TEFC motor.  I wonder if someone could provide
   some assistance.  Is it in fact a TEFC motor?  What sort of HP are we
   talking about?  Could I disassemble the pump and use the motor to
   drive my planned stir biodiesel process?


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Re: [Biofuel] Scientific method

2005-10-26 Thread Keith Addison

Greetings all

Sorry I'm so late to respond to this, we haven't had any time, 
farming comes first right now, if there's to be any farming next year 
that is. Nearly finished now, interesting! More re which later...

Anyway, many thanks for all the really nice things people said about 
the Journey to Forever website following that bit of nonsense from 
Brian Rodgers. I don't think Brian quite meant to precipitate all 
that, but thanks just the same to him too.

I'll change the bit about 0.1% w/v lye solution, though it's basic 
enough, and as somebody said, if you don't know then check! The main 
point though is that in the context it simply doesn't matter:

Dissolve 1 gram of lye in 1 liter of distilled or de-ionized water 
(0.1% w/v lye solution).

The instructions are clear, if you do that you'll have done it right 
even if you don't know what w/v means. Brian was after quibbling, 
valid or not. The rest of it was just junk, IMHO.

Thanks again, folks, all best.

Keith




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Re: [Biofuel] Still looking for a cheap TEFC motor

2005-10-26 Thread Ken Dunn

On 10/26/05, Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Totally Enclosed Fan Cooled - TEFC.  If you follow link on my original
 post, the pump displayed has a motor attached to looks generally like
 a TEFC motor.  I don't know that it is though.

 Yes it is. More info here:

 http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_processor10.html#pumpcap
 Journey to Forever 90-litre processor

Keith,

Care to wager on whether the pump motor could be converted for use in
my stir process?

Take care,
Ken

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[Biofuel] was...Yahoo tutorial on podcasting

2005-10-26 Thread Alt.EnergyNetwork



Hi Joe,

Podcasting is so easy. It uses xml which is kind of a pared down version of html
You need to create a text xml file and have an mp3 file of your program.
You also have to have a server somewhere to host it so others can access it.
Here is the sample xml file from yahoo.

--

?xml version=1.0 encoding=utf-8? 
rss version=2.0 xmlns:itunes=http://www.itunes.com/DTDs/Podcast-1.0.dtd 
xmlns:media=http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/;

channel
title Title of your site /title 
description A description of your podcast show /description 
itunes:authorYour Name /itunes:author
link http://www.yourserver.com/YourPodcastHomepage/ /link 
itunes:image href=http://www.yourserver.com/YourPodcastPicture.jpg; /
pubdate Sun, 09 Oct 2005 21:00:00 PST /pubdate
languageen-us/language 
copyright Copyright Year Your_Name /copyright 

item
 title This is just a test /title 
 description A description of your podcast episode /description 
 itunes:author Your Name /itunes:author
 pubDate Thu, 16 Jun 2005 5:00:00 PST /pubDate 
 enclosure url=http://www.yourserver.com/podcast_file.mp3; length= 
3174554  type=audio/mpeg / /item
/channel 
/rss


As you add new programs, you need to add another item

If the above code does not come through this email, send me a request off list 
and I will send you a plain text file.
Just remember to save it as an xml file  ie your_podcast.xml not 
your_podcast.txt


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  ---Original Message---
  From: Joe Street [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Yahoo tutorial on podcasting
  Sent: 26 Oct '05 16:00
  
  Hey Kirk;
  
  The instructions on page 3 say replace all the blue text with your
  owninfo.  Trouble is no matter what browser I use, all the text is black!
  I can make some guesses of course but might easily miss somethingbecause I
  know squat about HTML coding. Have you published anything yet?
  
  Joe
  
  Kirk McLoren wrote:
  
  
  [LINK: http://podcasts.yahoo.com/publish]
  http://podcasts.yahoo.com/publish
  
  
  Want to make your own podcasts? Here's how.
  
  
  Kirk
  

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