date:20060117

Re: [Biofuel] Methanol Recovery? Amazing !!

2006-01-17 Thread lres1

For all the different races creeds right down to individual family
structures the thought patterns and the associated thought denominators are
infinite. Common sense is not.

For Keith to take the time to respond to the mail lets me know that 1/ he is
alive and well on the hill/mountain and 2/ is not discriminatory but has a
site open to all. For a whole to work as one it needs to understand all the
globally diverse denominators and thus the responses to address them.

Who knows where Mike or Keith will finish up or the influences/legacies they
leave behind.

Twould appear that nothing is immortal not even the earth we tread under
foot.
Doug Handisides

- Original Message - 
From: "Bioclaire Nederland" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 5:55 AM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Methanol Recovery? Amazing !!


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> Amazing Keith, that you put any time in stupid articles like this man
wrote.
> How can you keep your patients ?
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> Greetings,
> Pieter.
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> - Original Message -
> From: "Keith Addison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 8:13 PM
> Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Methanol Recovery?
>
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> > >HI MY NAME IS MIKE AND I HAVE A METHANOL PROBLEM.
> > >
> > >HI MIKE!
> > >
> > >I first began using methanol just on the weekends.  A few bottles of
dry
> > >gas here and there, just enought to make myself feel better about my
> > >fuel usage.  Then it got to be too expensive to buy methanol in little
> > >bottles and I began to buy boxes of HEET.  I drove all over town just
to
> > >save a few cents on
> > >a case.  Soon, as I began to feel better and better, and my VW ran
> > >better and better.  I am ashamed to say I even got my friends involved.
> > >We snuck around behind seamy restaurants, liberating oil. We pretended
> > >to have drain problems so we could buy lye.  We began to just want to
be
> > >by ourselves, cooking our little batches.  We egged each other on.
Soon
> > >we had quite a litle crowd.  Little bottles didn't cut it anymore. One
> > >of my buddies "knew a guy" who could get 5 gallon jugs.  Suddenly life
> > >was good again.  We built bigger and better "works."  We got brazen.
We
> > >drove around stinking of oil - Thai food, French Fries and peanut oil.
> > >We started to meet the higher ups in the methanol trade.  We did a deal
> > >and scored 55 gallons.  We had quite a racket going.  We though we were
> > >untouchable.
> > >
> > >Then it all came crashing down.  There was an intervention.  Nice white
> > >men is suits explained over and over how methanol leads to the
> > >destruction of the US economy.  Good people at ExxonMobil, Shell and
> > >Sunoco would be out of work.  They explained how we were a major factor
> > >in the collapse of the SUV industry, and the dire condition of GM and
> > >Ford.  We felt bad.
> > >
> > >Today I am a happy member of society.  I have an SUV and heat my house
> > >with petroleum.  I drive work from the suburbs.
> > >
> > >Let my story be a warning to you all:  One little bottel of methanol
can
> > >lead to not just your downfall, but the wholesale collapse of all we
> > >hold dear.
> > >The American way of life is a blessed one.  Be strong against the
forces
> > >of darkness that seek to mislead you.  Do not follow Keith.  He is a
> > >false prophet.
> > >He lives on a mountain in Japan, preaching self-sufficiency.  Little do
> > >most people know he is really the head of an evil cartel that has huge
> > >holdings in methanol, lye and vegetable oil.  You have been warned!
Oh,
> > >he has also cornered the market in Phenopthalein.
> >
> > It's not a false profit, how can you say such a thing? It's true that
> > we did try to corner the market in that stuff but it didn't work
> > because we couldn't spell it right either.
> >
> > Please make sure you get your facts straight next time before you
> > start accusing innocent people of living on mountains and so on. And
> > I don't preach self-sufficiency, all I said was I vunt to be alone.
> > But thanks for asking people not to follow me up here at least.
> >
> > >Be Strong!
> >
> > Hmph.
> >
> > Best
> >
> > Keith
> >
> >
> > >-Mike
> >
> >
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Re: [Biofuel] Jan's Methanol test

2006-01-17 Thread Keith Addison

Hello Jan and all

>Hello Golan and all,
>from experience I can tell that the methanol test as described on 
>the JtF homepage rather well corresponds to the result you will have 
>from the test according to the EN 14214 regarding the ester content.

I agree, see below.

Just to be clear, Europe's EN 14214 standard specifies ester content 
at min. 96.5%, the French standard is the same, Italy and Sweden 
specify min. 98%, the US ASTM D-6751 standard doesn't specify ester 
content. EN 14214 is probably the de facto basic world standard.

>However, if the methanol test shows e.g. 1 ml (4%) of undissolved 
>oil in the measuring glass, you can expect an ester content of 
>92-94% according to the EN norm. In order to meet the norm with an 
>ester content of min 96,5%, the methanol test will have to show no 
>undissolved oil at all.

I tried the methanol test several times and didn't get any result. So 
I tried it with some other fuel, some biodiesel made by a newbie 
brewer before we helped him to improve it, and some fuel from 
commercial producers here in Japan, and then I got results, very 
clear! Just as Jan described it in his original message.

Since then we've been working with a university lab that's tested our 
biodiesel with their gaskro (GC), using samples from standard 
production batches, not test-batch samples, just the usual stuff we 
make all the time, and the results show FAME content of 98.5%. Which 
is why we didn't get any result with the methanol test. I've also 
seen other lab tests which tend to confirm the results I got with the 
commercial fuel methanol tests.

Joe asked:

> > So my question once again is who else uses this test and how is it
> > going for you?  Does anyone get a perfect result (no fallout) from
> > this test?  And finally should I be concerned by a couple of percent
> > contamination in my fuel?

I think it's a very useful test. Should you be concerned, well, it's 
up to you. These might help, if you haven't already seen them:

The Fuel Injection Equipment (FIE) Manufacturers (Delphi, Stanadyne, 
Denso, Bosch) on biodiesel quality:
Summary -- html
http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_FIEM.html
Full document -- Acrobat file, 104kb
http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library/FIEM.pdf

"Determining the Influence of Contaminants on Biodiesel Properties", 
Jon H. Van Gerpen et al., Iowa State University, July 31, 1996 -- 
12,000-word report on contaminants and their effects. Acrobat file, 
2.1Mb
http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library/bdgerpen96.pdf

Best

Keith

>pH measurements are difficult and the right conclusions from these 
>measurements can be even harder to draw.
>But, a "neutral" BD can have a pH value of anything between 4,5 -7, 
>depending upon which other substances are present in the BD. It is 
>also important to know that the pH scale is logarithmic when judging 
>the results of the measurements.
>If a WVO has a pH value above 7, it means that there are alkaline 
>compounds present, probably  tenside remains. The way of succeeding 
>with biodiesel production goes through an accurate raw material 
>control, adjusting the recipe and process details according to that.
>Good luck to you !
>Jan Warnqvist
>AGERATEC AB
>
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>+ 46 554 201 89
>+46 70 499 38 45
>
>- Original Message -
>From: Golan Shmuel
>To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
>Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 5:07 PM
>Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Jan's Methanol test
>
>hi joe
>iuse the test and it still gives me hadeake .
>at list half of the times are not as it should be
>im at the begining of the way and it give me direction.
>i just put abigger pump and it already looking better
>i alsow parchesed a PH tester and i start to take test from old BD 
>sampels (unwashed)resault 12.2-13.3 how doese that sound?
>tested as well somewvo i got 8.4-8.5 i thought it should be acid? 
>have u got any idea
>all the best
>golan
>
>
>
>On 13/01/06, JJJN <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>Hi Joe,
>I use every test on JtF to test my Bio and also the the Hanna
>Instruments test for Glycol. I do this every single batch.  I have never
>had any fallout in Jans test to date.(Knock Knock Knock on wood) ( I
>measure it out precisely ) I have graduated to the base/base method and
>have had absolutely great results. That said I got into a washing awhile
>back that was not as good as I like so I investigated and found that I
>am dealing with FFA's that are higher than I want.  I am moving to the
>acid/base learning phase for that.  I did also learn that if I pour the
>WVO that is liquid and on top at 28 deg F into a bucket and process the
>stuff that gets clumpy (on bottom)  I greatly reduce the FFA's in the
>oil. (14% or so lower) compairitably (tests of each done side by side
>same temp same everything  except oil and very precise). So in the
>future winter freeze cycles I will cut out the dark top

Re: [Biofuel] Dewatering with vacuum.

2006-01-17 Thread Jacko55555

Back to Science class!
Vacuum- I have worked very little with vacuum. While in the Navy, I was
learning OJT a little about refrigeration. At that time I was taught inches of
Hg. and 30"Hg is the max but extremely hard or impossible to achieve.
5 deg. C = 6.5mm Hg .25"Hg55 deg. C = appr. 110 mm
Hg4.33"Hg
If H2O is 18 and Hg is 200.59, Hg is 11.14 time heavier
.25" Hg = 2.785 " water
4.33" Hg = 48.24 " water
Where does micron come in?
Dave Miller spoke of an old scientific pump you had that went to 002mm Hg.
Scientific pump suggests to a very good pump, but .002 sounds like very little
vacuum. (unless zero is not the same place). He also mentioned I should look for
a 50? I am sure this will become quite clear, but now, it's not sinking
in.
Thanks John

- Original Message -
From: Joe Street
To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org

Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 2:00
PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Dewatering with
vacuum.
David Miller wrote:Snip>Somebody had
the vapor pressure tables for water earlier in this thread, >maybe he
could look up the pressure for 55 and 5 degrees C.>>---
David> >5 deg. C = 6.5mm Hg55 deg. C =
appr. 110 mm HgIt means that water does not have to be removed from
the trap (as was stated ) since water at 5 deg.C has a vapour pressure low
enogh as not to interfere with drying the fuel. It will never be perfectly
dry and even if you could, it would adsorb water from the air when you
take it out of the vacuum chamber. In practical terms just run cold
water through your condenser and when the vacuum in the reactor gets to
27" Hg or better you are done! I do it all the time. It works
well. I reheat the reactor during washing and after draining the last wash
the vacuum is started. An hour later the fuel is dry, crystal clear
and ready to
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[Biofuel] quick video, thought it was interesting

2006-01-17 Thread Evergreen Solutions

Just ran across this, thought it was interesting.http://www.dumpalink.com/media/1137331521/Never_Charge_Your_Phone_Again

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