Re: [Biofuel] hybrid efficiency
Does anybody have any info on hydrid diesels in North America? My friend is interestd in the idea and would probably buy one, but we can't find anything on the market. Aren't passenger car diesel hybrids up and running in Europe? Kenji Fuse On Fri, 10 Mar 2006, MH wrote: I was listening to a radio program about Hybrid cars. The two state of WI dealerships mentioned dealership battery replacement costs were decreasing to US$3000 and they figured they might reach US$1500 as new models hit the road over the coming years. They talked about battery warranty and they figured they'd last 200,000 miles. I've had gasoline cars go 240,000 miles before rebuilding the engine, trany or differential exceeding the manufacture warranty. Something else they said about the Honda and Toyota were they could continue to run without the battery pack but with reduced fuel efficiency in the city. Resale value is still quite high for hybrids and diesels around my area although I'm having difficulty finding my older Geo Metro's but their around. I wouldn't mind a diesel or a E85 hybrid in a fuel efficient version for local use. I prefer my bicycle and limit my internal combustion use when needed. Thank you Mark. Enjoyed reading your thoughts. Thompson, Mark L. (PNB RD) wrote: I don't how anyone can justify a Hybrid over a diesel. The financial numbers just don't work. My VW TDI gets (243K mile so far) 45 mpg @ City Driving 55 mpg @ 60 mph 50 mpg @ 75 mph My cost is (City)$2.60/45 = 5.8 cents a mile (not including normal maintenance) My cost is (Freeway) $2.60/55 = 4.7 cents a mile (not including normal maintenance) Average5.25 cents a mile (50/50 driving) My neighbors Prius gets 55 mpg @ City Driving 51 mpg @ 60 mph Cost is (City)$2.35/60 = 3.9 cents a mile (not including normal maintenance) Cost is (Freeway) $2.35/51 = 4.6 cents a mile (not including normal maintenance) Average4.25 cents a mile (50/50 driving) Plus Battery Deprecation 8 year/100k miles/$7000 $7000/100K = 7 cents/mile Total = 4.25 + 7.00 = 11.25 Cents/Miles Converted to French fuel prices and Taxes: http://www.day-tripper.net/pricespetrol.html Diesel = 1.036 euro/Liter Petro(95) = 1.209 euro/Liter Converted (1.19E/usd and 3.79 lt/gal) Diesel = 1.036 * 1.19 * 3.79 = $4.67/gal Petro = 1.209 * 1.19 * 3.79 = $5.45/gal My VW TDI gets (243K mile so far) 45 mpg @ City Driving 55 mpg @ 60 mph 50 mpg @ 75 mph My cost is (City)$4.67/45 = 10.4 cents a mile (not including normal maintenance) My cost is (Freeway) $4.67/55 = 8.5 cents a mile (not including normal maintenance) Average9.45 cents a mile (50/50 driving) My neighbors Prius gets 55 mpg @ City Driving 51 mpg @ 60 mph Cost is (City)$5.45/60 = 9.0 cents a mile (not including normal maintenance) Cost is (Freeway) $5.45/51 = 10.7 cents a mile (not including normal maintenance) Average9.85 cents a mile (50/50 driving) Plus Battery Deprecation 8 year/100k miles/$7000/19%vat = $8330 $8330/100K = 8.3 cents/mile Total = 9.85 + 8.30 = 18.15 Cents/Miles In the US and Europe a diesel is about 1/2 the operating cost of a hybrid. Another thing to consider is maintenance/repair and life expectancy. My last VW diesel Died a honable death at 476,000 miles. My current one is at 243,000 miles and still running strong. My guess is if you can get 200K-250K out of a hybrid gas engine you are doing good. Also working on diesel is relatively straight forward. Will have to say VW has coupled the computer to the engine quite tightly. It make for interesting trouble shooting when things are not working perfectly. Mark Andrew Netherton wrote: I'll bet that research would show a mighty quick return on investment if they had done the study based on European fuel costs, and not our cheaper-than-bottled-water fuel here in North America. Andrew Netherton ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Re: [Biofuel] hybrid efficiency
To my knowledge there are no hybrid diesels available in North America. Nor any announced for the 2007 model year (among 23 entries). This despite the fact that all the PNGV demonstration vehicles being diesel-electric hybrids. Car makers are generally convinced diesels are taboo in North America. Definitely a hard sell in California, the largest single market and leader on environmental automotive technology. I'm not following Europe as closely, but they don't seem as keen on hybrids in general, preferring efficient diesels (e.g., Smart, several VW models, etc.) I gather the Japanese are also passing on diesel hybrids, but are pursuing more aggressively-EV gasoline-electric hybrids. Alas, my electric-diesel hybrid is still awaiting a controller fix/upgrade before we can do some real-world energy-consumption testing to size the diesel gen-set. Darryl Kenji James Fuse wrote: Does anybody have any info on hydrid diesels in North America? My friend is interestd in the idea and would probably buy one, but we can't find anything on the market. Aren't passenger car diesel hybrids up and running in Europe? Kenji Fuse On Fri, 10 Mar 2006, MH wrote: I was listening to a radio program about Hybrid cars. The two state of WI dealerships mentioned dealership battery replacement costs were decreasing to US$3000 and they figured they might reach US$1500 as new models hit the road over the coming years. They talked about battery warranty and they figured they'd last 200,000 miles. I've had gasoline cars go 240,000 miles before rebuilding the engine, trany or differential exceeding the manufacture warranty. Something else they said about the Honda and Toyota were they could continue to run without the battery pack but with reduced fuel efficiency in the city. Resale value is still quite high for hybrids and diesels around my area although I'm having difficulty finding my older Geo Metro's but their around. I wouldn't mind a diesel or a E85 hybrid in a fuel efficient version for local use. I prefer my bicycle and limit my internal combustion use when needed. Thank you Mark. Enjoyed reading your thoughts. Thompson, Mark L. (PNB RD) wrote: I don't how anyone can justify a Hybrid over a diesel. The financial numbers just don't work. My VW TDI gets (243K mile so far) 45 mpg @ City Driving 55 mpg @ 60 mph 50 mpg @ 75 mph My cost is (City)$2.60/45 = 5.8 cents a mile (not including normal maintenance) My cost is (Freeway) $2.60/55 = 4.7 cents a mile (not including normal maintenance) Average5.25 cents a mile (50/50 driving) My neighbors Prius gets 55 mpg @ City Driving 51 mpg @ 60 mph Cost is (City)$2.35/60 = 3.9 cents a mile (not including normal maintenance) Cost is (Freeway) $2.35/51 = 4.6 cents a mile (not including normal maintenance) Average4.25 cents a mile (50/50 driving) Plus Battery Deprecation 8 year/100k miles/$7000 $7000/100K = 7 cents/mile Total = 4.25 + 7.00 = 11.25 Cents/Miles Converted to French fuel prices and Taxes: http://www.day-tripper.net/pricespetrol.html Diesel = 1.036 euro/Liter Petro(95) = 1.209 euro/Liter Converted (1.19E/usd and 3.79 lt/gal) Diesel = 1.036 * 1.19 * 3.79 = $4.67/gal Petro = 1.209 * 1.19 * 3.79 = $5.45/gal My VW TDI gets (243K mile so far) 45 mpg @ City Driving 55 mpg @ 60 mph 50 mpg @ 75 mph My cost is (City)$4.67/45 = 10.4 cents a mile (not including normal maintenance) My cost is (Freeway) $4.67/55 = 8.5 cents a mile (not including normal maintenance) Average9.45 cents a mile (50/50 driving) My neighbors Prius gets 55 mpg @ City Driving 51 mpg @ 60 mph Cost is (City)$5.45/60 = 9.0 cents a mile (not including normal maintenance) Cost is (Freeway) $5.45/51 = 10.7 cents a mile (not including normal maintenance) Average9.85 cents a mile (50/50 driving) Plus Battery Deprecation 8 year/100k miles/$7000/19%vat = $8330 $8330/100K = 8.3 cents/mile Total = 9.85 + 8.30 = 18.15 Cents/Miles In the US and Europe a diesel is about 1/2 the operating cost of a hybrid. Another thing to consider is maintenance/repair and life expectancy. My last VW diesel Died a honable death at 476,000 miles. My current one is at 243,000 miles and still running strong. My guess is if you can get 200K-250K out of a hybrid gas engine you are doing good. Also working on diesel is relatively straight forward. Will have to say VW has coupled the computer to the engine quite tightly. It make for interesting trouble shooting when things are not working perfectly. Mark Andrew Netherton wrote: I'll bet that research would
Re: [Biofuel] crystal sponge hydrogen breakthrough
But the material is not quite ready for market: The high storage densities are so far possible only at -321 degrees Fahrenheit. Yaghi said he was optimistic that is only temporary given that so many MOF variations are possible and have yet to be tested. AltEnergyNetwork wrote: ‘Crystal sponge’ a hydrogen breakthrough? - Researchers say it nearly triples storage capacity http://msnbc.msn.com/id/11761455/ In what could be a breakthrough on the road to a pollution-free hydrogen economy, researchers say they have developed a crystal sponge material that can store nearly three times more hydrogen than any other known substance. Obstacles to mass market vehicles that some day run on hydrogen include storage capacity. Test cars that use hydrogen in fuel cells to create an electric propulsion system now get just 150 miles or so on a tank the same size as those in gasoline cars, which can travel 300 or 400 miles on a tank. Chemists at UCLA and the University of Michigan claim their material is the first to achieve the kind of storage capacities required to make hydrogen fuel practical. They are publishing their findings in late March in the Journal of the American Chemical Society. The material was developed by UCLA chemist Omar Yaghi, who described it as just one in a large class of compounds he invented in the early 1990s http://msnbc.msn.com/id/11761455/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Scientists Racing to Ease Painful PTSD Memories
PTSD Combat Brew by ilona Scientists Racing to Ease Painful PTSD Memories By ilona | bioScientists are using their growing knowledge of brain chemicals -- and the role they play in saving and accessing memories -- to find ways to help people coping with one symptom of PTSD: the painful replay of traumatic memories. We'll review today's Chicago Tribune article, Drug Eases Pain of Bad Memories, to get an update on progress in this somewhat controversial area; and we'll take a look at results of studies conducted by the National Institute of Mental Health on the role the brain plays in PTSD. [more]http://www.tpmcafe.com/node/27444___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Scientists Racing to Ease Painful PTSD Memories
By the way, does anyone think that developmentof this drugrepresents a failure in root-cause analysis for people effected bykilling for their country?Hmmm...What else could we do to treat traumatic events? Maybe NOT HAVE THEM by not adopting a policy of preemptive strikes toward unproven, "eminent attacks"!But then again, maybe I'm missing the point here. People wanting to change their career to something that involves dispensing pain and suffering now have something to treat those pesky messages from their conscience.One final note: There is an epidemic of kidnapping in Africa for the purpose of building armies of children. Thisis partly because they haven't fully developed the concept of right and wrong (by enlarge, a taught behavior). Could this bean indication that the US military is running out of teen-age recruits?...just a thought.MikeMichael Redler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:PTSD Combat Brew by ilona Scientists Racing to Ease Painful PTSD Memories By ilona | bioScientists are using their growing knowledge of brain chemicals -- and the role they play in saving and accessing memories -- to find ways to help people coping with one symptom of PTSD: the painful replay of traumatic memories. We'll review today's Chicago Tribune article, Drug Eases Pain of Bad Memories, to get an update on progress in this somewhat controversial area; and we'll take a look at results of studies conducted by the National Institute of Mental Health on the role the brain plays in PTSD. [more]http://www.tpmcafe.com/node/27444__ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] american eye
http://www.greenfutures.org.uk/features/default.asp?id=2453 Suddenly, the president is proclaiming that America must break its addiction to oil and slash Middle East imports by 75% inside 20 years. Dramatic stuff says Polly Ghazi but how much substance lies behind the surface commitment? It had good shock value. George W. Bush, former Texas oilman, lamenting his nations dependency on oil and setting out remedies to cure the addiction. Banner headlines around the US hailed the presidents shift on energy as the centrepiece of his State of the Union address. Bush is betting on technology as the self-diagnosed best way to break this addiction. And hes putting the nations money where his mouth is. From 2007, if Congress agrees, he will accelerate research into hydrogen cars ($196 million) and plug-in batteries for hybrid and electric vehicles, clean coal technologies, including emission-free plants that capture and store greenhouse gases ($335 million), cheaper solar energy ($148 million), wind energy ($44 million) and development of bio-fuels ($150 million), including new ethanol sources such as wood chips and switch grass. There is no doubt that the twin boost of federal funds and presidential backing will help Americas nascent wind and solar industries pick up steam. The US wind energy industry had its best year yet in 2005, growing by 35% and installing nearly 2,500 megawatts of capacity in 22 states. Nationwide, wind energy facilities now power the equivalent of 2.3 million American homes. Even before the news of more federal funding, the American Wind Energy Association expected installations to top 3,000 megawatts in 2006, with demand driven by consumer anxiety about rising natural gas prices. Solar energy, meanwhile, has long been an expensive niche activity. But its annual research funding will rise by 78% next year, in pursuit of ambitious goals set by the newly launched Presidents Solar America Initiative, to make sun-powered electricity competitive with all other sources by 2015. The US already produces four billion gallons of bio-fuels a year, making up 3% of gasoline consumption. A lot of presidential faith is also being placed in developing new, cheap sources of ethanol in Americas vast farmlands. The US already produces four billion gallons of bio-fuels a year, making up 3% of gasoline consumption. But the Energy Department believes that accelerating refinement of the process will enable production to soar to 60 billion gallons in a decade, eventually enabling a third of Americas gas-guzzling, petrol-engined vehicles to run on corn and grass. The catch with these investments, including hydrogen cars, is that the payoff is at least ten years down the road. And even then, coal which currently provides half the nations electricity and oil, which powers almost all its vehicles will remain the dominant fuels. Bushs critics argue that he could do far more to reduce Americas oil dependence and offset its contribution to climate change by combining his future bet on renewables with a firm embrace of conservation measures today. For this camp, which includes many energy experts and most leading environmental groups, the State of the Union speech was a major missed opportunity. The investments in renewable fuel technologies the president proposed will pay important dividends down the road, commented Jason Mark, clean vehicles director at the Union of Concerned Scientists. But you cant transform transportation by research alone. We need aggressive policies now to wean ourselves off oil. The UCS argues that raising mandatory fuel economy standards to 40mpg on new vehicles, over the next decade, would reduce Middle East oil imports by 75% a full ten years ahead of Bushs target. The Sierra Club, which shares the UCS approach, says such a move would reduce national petrol consumption by almost half. Yet both the White House and a Republican-dominated Congress have strongly resisted Democratic efforts to raise the 20-year-old standards, stuck at a paltry 27.5mpg average for each manufacturers passenger car fleet and 21.6mpg average for truck fleets. The formidable lobbying power of car manufacturers and the oil industry goes some way to explaining the presidents reluctance on fuel economy standards. But it is no excuse. With US oil, natural gas and electricity rates hitting all-time highs and America entering a fourth year of war in Iraq, the president is clearly striking the right public note in seeking to reduce oil dependency. The problem, as with climate change, is that he is choosing the easy path placing all his faith in future technologies and avoiding the hard political decisions that need to be taken today. Polly Ghazi is US correspondent for Green Futures. Get your daily alternative energy news Alternate Energy Resource Network 1000+ news sources-resources
[Biofuel] diesel-hybrid was hybrid efficiency
Hi Darryl, here is one. regards tallex New hybrid technology for heavy vehicles unveiled http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060311/AUTO01/603110345/1148 ---Original Message--- From: Darryl McMahon [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] hybrid efficiency Sent: 11 Mar '06 16:39 To my knowledge there are no hybrid diesels available in North America. Nor any announced for the 2007 model year (among 23 entries). This despite the fact that all the PNGV demonstration vehicles being diesel-electric hybrids. Car makers are generally convinced diesels are taboo in North America. Definitely a hard sell in California, the largest single market and leader on environmental automotive technology. I'm not following Europe as closely, but they don't seem as keen on hybrids in general, preferring efficient diesels (e.g., Smart, several VW models, etc.) I gather the Japanese are also passing on diesel hybrids, but are pursuing more aggressively-EV gasoline-electric hybrids. Alas, my electric-diesel hybrid is still awaiting a controller fix/upgrade before we can do some real-world energy-consumption testing to size the diesel gen-set. Darryl Kenji James Fuse wrote: Does anybody have any info on hydrid diesels in North America? My friend is interestd in the idea and would probably buy one, but we can't find anything on the market. Aren't passenger car diesel hybrids up and running in Europe? Kenji Fuse On Fri, 10 Mar 2006, MH wrote: I was listening to a radio program about Hybrid cars. The two state of WI dealerships mentioned dealership battery replacement costs were decreasing to US$3000 and they figured they might reach US$1500 as new models hit the road over the coming years. They talked about battery warranty and they figured they'd last 200,000 miles. I've had gasoline cars go 240,000 miles before rebuilding the engine, trany or differential exceeding the manufacture warranty. Something else they said about the Honda and Toyota were they could continue to run without the battery pack but with reduced fuel efficiency in the city. Resale value is still quite high for hybrids and diesels around my area although I'm having difficulty finding my older Geo Metro's but their around. I wouldn't mind a diesel or a E85 hybrid in a fuel efficient version for local use. I prefer my bicycle and limit my internal combustion use when needed. Thank you Mark. Enjoyed reading your thoughts. Thompson, Mark L. (PNB RD) wrote: I don't how anyone can justify a Hybrid over a diesel. The financial numbers just don't work. My VW TDI gets (243K mile so far) 45 mpg @ City Driving 55 mpg @ 60 mph 50 mpg @ 75 mph My cost is (City)$2.60/45 = 5.8 cents a mile (not including normal maintenance) My cost is (Freeway) $2.60/55 = 4.7 cents a mile (not including normal maintenance) Average5.25 cents a mile (50/50 driving) My neighbors Prius gets 55 mpg @ City Driving 51 mpg @ 60 mph Cost is (City)$2.35/60 = 3.9 cents a mile (not including normal maintenance) Cost is (Freeway) $2.35/51 = 4.6 cents a mile (not including normal maintenance) Average4.25 cents a mile (50/50 driving) Plus Battery Deprecation 8 year/100k miles/$7000 $7000/100K = 7 cents/mile Total = 4.25 + 7.00 = 11.25 Cents/Miles Converted to French fuel prices and Taxes: http://www.day-tripper.net/pricespetrol.html Diesel = 1.036 euro/Liter Petro(95) = 1.209 euro/Liter Converted (1.19E/usd and 3.79 lt/gal) Diesel = 1.036 * 1.19 * 3.79 = $4.67/gal Petro = 1.209 * 1.19 * 3.79 = $5.45/gal My VW TDI gets (243K mile so far) 45 mpg @ City Driving 55 mpg @ 60 mph 50 mpg @ 75 mph My cost is (City)$4.67/45 = 10.4 cents a mile (not including normal maintenance) My cost is (Freeway) $4.67/55 = 8.5 cents a mile (not including normal maintenance) Average9.45 cents a mile (50/50 driving) My neighbors Prius gets 55 mpg @ City Driving 51 mpg @ 60 mph Cost is (City)$5.45/60 = 9.0 cents a mile (not including normal maintenance) Cost is (Freeway) $5.45/51 = 10.7 cents a mile (not including normal maintenance) Average9.85 cents a mile (50/50 driving) Plus Battery Deprecation 8 year/100k miles/$7000/19%vat = $8330 $8330/100K = 8.3 cents/mile Total = 9.85 + 8.30 = 18.15 Cents/Miles In the US and Europe a diesel is about 1/2
Re: [Biofuel] hybrid efficiency
http://www.autoblog.com/2006/01/31/psa-peugeot-citroen-unveils-diesel-hybrid-technology/ Citroen is going to introduce a diesel hybrid that gets 70mpg or more. By 2010 perhaps, according to the article. On 3/11/06, Darryl McMahon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To my knowledge there are no hybrid diesels available in North America. Nor any announced for the 2007 model year (among 23 entries). This despite the fact that all the PNGV demonstration vehicles being diesel-electric hybrids. Car makers are generally convinced diesels are taboo in North America. Definitely a hard sell in California, the largest single market and leader on environmental automotive technology. I'm not following Europe as closely, but they don't seem as keen on hybrids in general, preferring efficient diesels (e.g., Smart, several VW models, etc.) I gather the Japanese are also passing on diesel hybrids, but are pursuing more aggressively-EV gasoline-electric hybrids. Alas, my electric-diesel hybrid is still awaiting a controller fix/upgrade before we can do some real-world energy-consumption testing to size the diesel gen-set. Darryl Kenji James Fuse wrote: Does anybody have any info on hydrid diesels in North America? My friend is interestd in the idea and would probably buy one, but we can't find anything on the market. Aren't passenger car diesel hybrids up and running in Europe? Kenji Fuse On Fri, 10 Mar 2006, MH wrote: I was listening to a radio program about Hybrid cars. The two state of WI dealerships mentioned dealership battery replacement costs were decreasing to US$3000 and they figured they might reach US$1500 as new models hit the road over the coming years. They talked about battery warranty and they figured they'd last 200,000 miles. I've had gasoline cars go 240,000 miles before rebuilding the engine, trany or differential exceeding the manufacture warranty. Something else they said about the Honda and Toyota were they could continue to run without the battery pack but with reduced fuel efficiency in the city. Resale value is still quite high for hybrids and diesels around my area although I'm having difficulty finding my older Geo Metro's but their around. I wouldn't mind a diesel or a E85 hybrid in a fuel efficient version for local use. I prefer my bicycle and limit my internal combustion use when needed. Thank you Mark. Enjoyed reading your thoughts. Thompson, Mark L. (PNB RD) wrote: I don't how anyone can justify a Hybrid over a diesel. The financial numbers just don't work. My VW TDI gets (243K mile so far) 45 mpg @ City Driving 55 mpg @ 60 mph 50 mpg @ 75 mph My cost is (City)$2.60/45 = 5.8 cents a mile (not including normal maintenance) My cost is (Freeway) $2.60/55 = 4.7 cents a mile (not including normal maintenance) Average5.25 cents a mile (50/50 driving) My neighbors Prius gets 55 mpg @ City Driving 51 mpg @ 60 mph Cost is (City)$2.35/60 = 3.9 cents a mile (not including normal maintenance) Cost is (Freeway) $2.35/51 = 4.6 cents a mile (not including normal maintenance) Average4.25 cents a mile (50/50 driving) Plus Battery Deprecation 8 year/100k miles/$7000 $7000/100K = 7 cents/mile Total = 4.25 + 7.00 = 11.25 Cents/Miles Converted to French fuel prices and Taxes: http://www.day-tripper.net/pricespetrol.html Diesel = 1.036 euro/Liter Petro(95) = 1.209 euro/Liter Converted (1.19E/usd and 3.79 lt/gal) Diesel = 1.036 * 1.19 * 3.79 = $4.67/gal Petro = 1.209 * 1.19 * 3.79 = $5.45/gal My VW TDI gets (243K mile so far) 45 mpg @ City Driving 55 mpg @ 60 mph 50 mpg @ 75 mph My cost is (City)$4.67/45 = 10.4 cents a mile (not including normal maintenance) My cost is (Freeway) $4.67/55 = 8.5 cents a mile (not including normal maintenance) Average9.45 cents a mile (50/50 driving) My neighbors Prius gets 55 mpg @ City Driving 51 mpg @ 60 mph Cost is (City)$5.45/60 = 9.0 cents a mile (not including normal maintenance) Cost is (Freeway) $5.45/51 = 10.7 cents a mile (not including normal maintenance) Average9.85 cents a mile (50/50 driving) Plus Battery Deprecation 8 year/100k miles/$7000/19%vat = $8330 $8330/100K = 8.3 cents/mile Total = 9.85 + 8.30 = 18.15 Cents/Miles In the US and Europe a diesel is about 1/2 the operating cost of a hybrid. Another thing to consider is maintenance/repair and life expectancy. My last VW diesel Died a honable death at 476,000 miles. My current one is at 243,000 miles and still
Re: [Biofuel] diesel-hybrid was hybrid efficiency
Sorry, I thought the question was about personal use vehicles (e.g., cars, light trucks). In the heavy vehicle category, we do have some North American contenders. Mack Trucks has a Class 8 hybrid prototype. http://www.greencarcongress.com/2005/09/mack_trucks_dis.html ISE Corporation has put their hybrid drives into Norcals, Kenworths and Peterbuilts. Not production items, as far as I know. http://www.isecorp.com/gallery/album12 ISE Corp propaganda. http://www.isecorp.com/ Their diesel-hybrids, specifically: http://www.isecorp.com/ise_products_services/diesel_hybrid_drive_system/ CalStart actually sponsors a Hybrid Truck Users Forum, and I gather they have a significant number of one-offs in various categories. I think the EPRI Ford F-550 hybrid trouble truck is a pretty sweet application. The DaimlerChryser Sprinter hybrid prototypes look kind of wimpy by comparison. These are gas-electric only so far in the U.S., but diesel-electric are being tested in Europe, and could be available by special order (in 2009 or later when DC might allow them to be sold). New Flyer (Winnipeg, Manitoba) produces a diesel-electric hybrid passenger bus, usually based on the GM-Allison package. Orion (Mississauga Ontario - absorbed into DaimlerChrysler in 2000) also produces a diesel-electric hybrid bus. BAE Systems drive package. There was some good coverage on the transit system hybrids at the EDTA conference in Vancouver last December. Other than the all-electric rail systems, virtually all rail locomotives produced in North America are diesel-electric drive. Then we get into some serious equipment, like Euclid R260 built here in Ontario. For those of you that think a Hummer just isn't enough truck, this might fit your needs. Dual in-wheel electric motors for torque, and a decent Detroit Diesel to turn the alternator. Popular Mechanics review of the R260 Pick-up. http://www.popularmechanics.com/automotive/auto_technology/1266761.html You might have to widen the driveway. If we move from shore to sea, there are plenty of diesel-electric submarines still in service, and the Queen Elizabeth II weighs in at 37,000 tons displacement, with electric drive and nine diesel engines to turn the alternators. Darryl AltEnergyNetwork wrote: Hi Darryl, here is one. regards tallex New hybrid technology for heavy vehicles unveiled http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060311/AUTO01/603110345/1148 ---Original Message--- From: Darryl McMahon [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] hybrid efficiency Sent: 11 Mar '06 16:39 To my knowledge there are no hybrid diesels available in North America. Nor any announced for the 2007 model year (among 23 entries). This despite the fact that all the PNGV demonstration vehicles being diesel-electric hybrids. Car makers are generally convinced diesels are taboo in North America. Definitely a hard sell in California, the largest single market and leader on environmental automotive technology. I'm not following Europe as closely, but they don't seem as keen on hybrids in general, preferring efficient diesels (e.g., Smart, several VW models, etc.) I gather the Japanese are also passing on diesel hybrids, but are pursuing more aggressively-EV gasoline-electric hybrids. Alas, my electric-diesel hybrid is still awaiting a controller fix/upgrade before we can do some real-world energy-consumption testing to size the diesel gen-set. Darryl Kenji James Fuse wrote: Does anybody have any info on hydrid diesels in North America? My friend is interestd in the idea and would probably buy one, but we can't find anything on the market. Aren't passenger car diesel hybrids up and running in Europe? Kenji Fuse On Fri, 10 Mar 2006, MH wrote: I was listening to a radio program about Hybrid cars. The two state of WI dealerships mentioned dealership battery replacement costs were decreasing to US$3000 and they figured they might reach US$1500 as new models hit the road over the coming years. They talked about battery warranty and they figured they'd last 200,000 miles. I've had gasoline cars go 240,000 miles before rebuilding the engine, trany or differential exceeding the manufacture warranty. Something else they said about the Honda and Toyota were they could continue to run without the battery pack but with reduced fuel efficiency in the city. Resale value is still quite high for hybrids and diesels around my area although I'm having difficulty finding my older Geo Metro's but their around. I wouldn't mind a diesel or a E85 hybrid in a fuel efficient version for local use. I prefer my bicycle and limit my internal combustion use when needed. Thank you Mark. Enjoyed reading your thoughts. Thompson, Mark L. (PNB RD) wrote: I don't how anyone can justify a Hybrid over a diesel. The financial numbers just don't work
Re: [Biofuel] automating titration
Sorry - I don't follow... You mean do it manually? And if so - to what advantage? - Original Message - From: Joe Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2006 6:18 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] automating titration I think you should 'manualize' the process. Joe Jason Katie wrote: hi everyone, haven't been posting for a couple months (points to old ISP retches) but i was messing around in my head a few weeks ago and was wondering if there was any simple formula that could be used to digitize and automate a titration of oil as compared to lye for fry-grease diesel. i have been trying to think of a way to do this so i can automate the entire process, but have been coming up blank. any help would be appreciated. thank you, jason ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
