Re: [Biofuel] China to flood US with improved Appleseeds for $220

[Keith Addison]

Hi Joe

>Hi Keith and all;
>
>Well I should say something here for sure.  Although my reactor design
>is quite different in the details of the way it is put together and the
>parts used it has all the functionality of Dale's touchless design and
>in fact it was his design that inspired me to do something similar.
>Ian's vacuum processor was another I looked at. Primarily I liked the
>fact that it could suck the methoxide in rather than it having to be
>forced in with pressure which gave me the willies thinking about what
>would happen if there was a leak and methoxide started spraying out
>somewhere.

Air-pressure from a small aquarium aeration pump isn't going to spray 
anything anywhere, it droppeth as the gentle rain from heaven upon 
the place beneath. At least in my set-up it does. I never understood 
why people want to inject it straight into the pump rather than into 
the top of the processor. Eg, the brew in the inlet pipe changes 
colour immediately when I add the H2SO4, which also goes in the top, 
and it's only 0.1% of the total volume, not 20% like methanol. So 
it's not as if it doesn't get effectively mixed if you just drop it 
in the top. Vacuuming in the methoxide sounds much more hazardous and 
leak-prone to me, though I'm sure it's not. Just a matter of 
perceptions methinks.

>The other advantages i.e. in situ drying with high speed and
>all that were a bonus so I decided to do the same thing in my own way. I
>can't remember if I wrote to Dale or Ian, I think I might have but in
>any case they definitely inspired me and I would like to thank both of
>them for that. With regard to the high prices you mentioned for some of
>the stuff which is being sold (and doesn't work so great) some of the
>parts on my system are expensive but the costs of all the items are
>listed in the bill of materials and you can see how they add up. There
>is no profit taking anywhere obviously.  Well I'm not selling anything
>anyhow. I couldn't quite follow the links to the Chinese site which
>details the reactor does it look any good?

I didn't have any luck with it.

>It doesn't sound like a
>vacuum processor so it can't really be compared to the touchless or
>Ian's or mine.

No, it's just an improved dumb-down. That it's short of vacuum 
doesn't change the fact that it's derived from Dale's processor but 
nobody's admitting it, though this is a big deal money-wise.

Joe, what you've done is what's supposed to happen with collaborative 
technology development, nobody could possibly object, or not with any 
reason.

Best

Keith


>Joe
>
>Keith Addison wrote:
>
> > I don't know Wu Qing-Yuan or Yanson Corp in China, but he sent me
> > this message below without comment, I guess he wants some publicity.
> > I don't know if he checked it with Rudi first, but it says all over
> > our website that we're journalists after all.
> >
> > I couldn't get much sense out of Yanson's website, no pics that I
> > could find, but maybe someone else will do better.
> >
> > It sure does sound like a big improvement on the Appleseed, with all
> > its problems. Let alone the FuelMeister:
> > http://snipurl.com/h9ou
> > Re: [biofuel] Best Processer
> >
> > However, there's this, about the Appleseed, in a previous message:
> >
> >
> >>Uh, it's not the same as Dale's touchless processor. It's a cheapo
> >>rip-off of Dale's processor, which is not acknowledged by the people
> >>who promote it.
> >
> > -- See: "Re: [Biofuel] appleseed drainage"
> > http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg57690.html
> >
> > That's Biofuel list member Dale Scroggins, who designed the original
> > "Touchless processor":
> > http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_processor.html#touchfree
> >
> > That was in Jan 2001, and Dale announced it here:
> > http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg02074.html
> > [biofuel] Re: Biodiesel - no catalyst
> > "Aw, shucks, it's really nothing special.  Just a 100-liter processor
> > made from mostly salvaged materials that almost fills itself, mixes
> > everything, recovers the unused methanol, washes and dries the ester
> > pretty much by flipping a few switches. ;o)" -- Dale Scroggins, Thu,
> > 11 Jan 2001
> >
> > It's still an advanced design, five years later.
> >
> > Maria "Girl Mark" Alovert produced her dumbed-down version of it late
> > in 2003. Six months later she wrote to me in connection with her
> > "Appleseed" reactor, as she now called it: "I want to write to dale
> > scroggins and point him to the things his touchless has spawned." I
> > don't know if she ever did write to Dale, but I've never heard of her
> > acknowledging that in public, maybe she has, but she sure doesn't
> > push it.
> >
> > Now the unacknowledged rip-off that doesn't work properly has been
> > fixed (probably) and is being mass-produced, "China patent pending".
> > But I'm sure Dale's part in it will remain unacknowledged.
> >
> > That's one reason I'm posting this message here.
> >
> > Another reaso

[Biofuel] Batch next week

[Marty Phee]

Anyone in the Chicago area brewing a batch next week?  A friend of mine 
up near lincolnshire wants to watch someone do a batch and learn from it.

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Re: [Biofuel] Physicists Letter to President Bush on "nuclear option", April 17, 2006

[fox mulder]

Source: UCSD

http://physics.ucsd.edu/petition/physicistsletter.html


Physicists Letter to President Bush on "nuclear
option", April 17, 2006   Press release 
In anticipation of
 President Bush's statement: nuclear strike option is
"on the table", April 18, 2006 

Authored by: Philip Anderson, Nobel Laureate ; Michael
Fisher, Wolf Laureate ; David Gross, Nobel Laureate ;
Jorge Hirsch, Professor of Physics ; Leo Kadanoff,
National Medal of Science ; Walter Kohn, Nobel
Laureate ; Joel Lebowitz, Boltzmann Medalist ; Anthony
Leggett, Nobel Laureate ; Eugen Merzbacher, President,
American Physical Society, 1990 ; Douglas Osheroff,
Nobel Laureate ; Andrew Sessler, President, American
Physical Society, 1998 ; George Trilling, President,
American Physical Society, 2001 ; Frank Wilczek, Nobel
Laureate ; Edward Witten, Fields Medalist 
The letter was read in public on April 26, 5:00 PM, at
Lafayette Park, across from the White House, and
delivery in person to the White House was attempted,
however White House staff refused to take delivery.
The letter was delivered by certified mail to the
White House (Label/Receipt Number: EQ210249212US) 
A shorter version of the letter was published in the
International Herald Tribune 
pdf version of the letter with signatures 



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Re: [Biofuel] Got A Little More Than Milk?

[Jason& Katie]

see? if he had labeled it as pet food they couldnt have done anything. i 
hope Mr. Stutzman wins, then it wont matter what the label says.
Jason
ICQ#:  154998177
MSN:  [EMAIL PROTECTED] (most likely to get me)

- Original Message - 
From: "Keith Addison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2006 11:35 AM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Got A Little More Than Milk?


> http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/06/28/amish.rawmilk.ap/index.html
> CNN.com - - Jun 28, 2006
> Amish farmer fights milk law after sting
>
> Wednesday, June 28, 2006; Posted: 5:38 p.m. EDT (21:38 GMT)
>
> MOUNT HOPE, Ohio (AP) -- Arlie Stutzman was busted in a rare sting
> when an undercover agent bought raw milk from the Amish dairy farmer
> in an unlabeled container.
>
> Now, Stutzman is fighting the law that forbids the sale of raw milk,
> saying he believes it violates his religious beliefs because it
> prohibits him from sharing the milk he produces with others.
>
> "While I can and I have food, I'll share it," said Stutzman, who is
> due in Holmes County Common Pleas Court on Friday to tell a judge his
> views. "Do unto others what you would have others do unto you."
>
> Last September, a man came to Stutzman's weathered, two-story
> farmhouse, located in a pastoral region in northeast Ohio that has
> the world's largest Amish settlement. The man asked for milk.
>
> Stutzman was leery, but agreed to fill up the man's plastic container
> from a 250-gallon stainless steel tank in the milkhouse.
>
> After the creamy white, unpasteurized milk flowed into the container,
> the man, an undercover agent from the Ohio Department of Agriculture,
> gave Stutzman two dollars and left.
>
> The department revoked Stutzman's license in February. In April, he
> got a new license, which allows him to sell to cheese houses and
> dairies, but received a warning not to sell raw milk to consumers
> again.
>
> "You can't just give milk away to someone other than yourself. It's a
> violation of the law," said LeeAnne Mizer, spokeswoman for the
> department.
>
> Organizations from the U.S. Food and Drug Administration to the
> American Dairy Association have said that raw milk contains health
> risks because it has not been heated to kill bacteria, such as E.
> coli.
>
> Regulators want Judge Thomas D. White to formally order Stutzman to
> comply with dairy laws. Stutzman said he is fighting the request on
> principle, saying he should be able to share his milk.
>
> Stutzman's Amish faith places an emphasis on the community. To
> preserve their lifestyle, the Amish avoid the use of electricity and
> automobile ownership, which would allow the outside world to enter
> unabated into their culture.
>
> The Amish typically do not get involved in politics, unless laws
> impede their ability to make a living or follow their religious
> beliefs. Stutzman said he is getting some community support.
>
> "It shows he's not going to be intimidated and he's going to do what
> he thinks is the right thing," said his attorney, Gary Cox.
>
> State officials said they sent the agent to his farm because they
> received a tip from an anonymous neighbor about raw milk sales.
>
> Stutzman, however, said he believes he was targeted because his cows
> are partly owned by a group of 150 families in what is known as a
> herd share agreement. Members pay him a fee for the cows and are
> entitled to a portion of the milk.
>
> Sales of raw milk are illegal in Ohio and 24 other states. But herd
> share agreements take advantage of a loophole because the group is
> buying the cows, not the milk.
>
> Groups such as the Weston A. Price Foundation, which is dedicated to
> restoring nutrient-dense foods to people's diets, advocate the
> consumption of raw milk, saying pasteurization diminishes vitamin
> content and kills beneficial bacteria.
>
> For Stutzman, the herd share agreement gives him an outlet for his
> extra milk. He also enjoys sharing his product with others who would
> otherwise not have access to it.
>
> "We know people are deprived of this real food," he said.
>
>
>
>>raw milk is not illegal per se, it is illegal to market and sell it as a
>>consumable item for humans, call it a cat/dog/other mammal pet food
>>supplement and sell it in litre or 2 litre jars with the proper labels and
>>noone can say a word.
>>there are ways around just about every law.
>>Jason
>>ICQ#:  154998177
>>MSN:  [EMAIL PROTECTED] (most likely to get me)
>>
>>- Original Message -
>>From: "mark manchester" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>To: 
>>Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2006 10:45 AM
>>Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Got A Little More Than Milk?
>>
>>
>> > Keith's link shows that raw milk is illegal in lots of places.  We used 
>> > to
>> > get it in Switzerland, but even there it was a sort of co-op 
>> > arrangement
>> > among farmers and clients.  You go to the barn with your little tin and
>> > buy
>> > a couple litres, and let that stand to separate.  Resulting cream so 
>> > thick
>> > you couldn't pour it

Re: [Biofuel] Winterizing biodiesel

[Zeke Yewdall]

If you improve the cold flow point to where it can be pumped out of the tank at least, you can solve the cold filter plug point by using a heated filter (if you can get the engine warmed up to the point of having some heat to heat the filter at least).  But if the whole tank turns into wax, you are sort of stuck
On 6/28/06, Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Hello All,> I know it's a bit early for some of us to be thinking winter,>but it occurs to me that the southern hemisphere is in the thick of>it.> I use BD100 in my car and go to BD70 in the winter. The 30%
>petro diesel is winterized and prevents my fuel from gelling.> I'd like to go BD100 year round. Is anyone familiar w.>Technol's BD100 for biodiesel?>www.technol.com   It is supposed to lower>gel point by up to 30F when used in a 1 : 750 ratio.>  TomHello TomI don't know Technol. Pour-point depressants for petro-diesel don't
work very well with biodiesel. The main chemical used for biodieselis usually toluene, but Technol uses "aromatic naptha". No idea, tryit and see I guess.BestKeith___
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Re: [Biofuel] Got A Little More Than Milk?

[Keith Addison]

http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/06/28/amish.rawmilk.ap/index.html
CNN.com - - Jun 28, 2006
Amish farmer fights milk law after sting

Wednesday, June 28, 2006; Posted: 5:38 p.m. EDT (21:38 GMT)

MOUNT HOPE, Ohio (AP) -- Arlie Stutzman was busted in a rare sting 
when an undercover agent bought raw milk from the Amish dairy farmer 
in an unlabeled container.

Now, Stutzman is fighting the law that forbids the sale of raw milk, 
saying he believes it violates his religious beliefs because it 
prohibits him from sharing the milk he produces with others.

"While I can and I have food, I'll share it," said Stutzman, who is 
due in Holmes County Common Pleas Court on Friday to tell a judge his 
views. "Do unto others what you would have others do unto you."

Last September, a man came to Stutzman's weathered, two-story 
farmhouse, located in a pastoral region in northeast Ohio that has 
the world's largest Amish settlement. The man asked for milk.

Stutzman was leery, but agreed to fill up the man's plastic container 
from a 250-gallon stainless steel tank in the milkhouse.

After the creamy white, unpasteurized milk flowed into the container, 
the man, an undercover agent from the Ohio Department of Agriculture, 
gave Stutzman two dollars and left.

The department revoked Stutzman's license in February. In April, he 
got a new license, which allows him to sell to cheese houses and 
dairies, but received a warning not to sell raw milk to consumers 
again.

"You can't just give milk away to someone other than yourself. It's a 
violation of the law," said LeeAnne Mizer, spokeswoman for the 
department.

Organizations from the U.S. Food and Drug Administration to the 
American Dairy Association have said that raw milk contains health 
risks because it has not been heated to kill bacteria, such as E. 
coli.

Regulators want Judge Thomas D. White to formally order Stutzman to 
comply with dairy laws. Stutzman said he is fighting the request on 
principle, saying he should be able to share his milk.

Stutzman's Amish faith places an emphasis on the community. To 
preserve their lifestyle, the Amish avoid the use of electricity and 
automobile ownership, which would allow the outside world to enter 
unabated into their culture.

The Amish typically do not get involved in politics, unless laws 
impede their ability to make a living or follow their religious 
beliefs. Stutzman said he is getting some community support.

"It shows he's not going to be intimidated and he's going to do what 
he thinks is the right thing," said his attorney, Gary Cox.

State officials said they sent the agent to his farm because they 
received a tip from an anonymous neighbor about raw milk sales.

Stutzman, however, said he believes he was targeted because his cows 
are partly owned by a group of 150 families in what is known as a 
herd share agreement. Members pay him a fee for the cows and are 
entitled to a portion of the milk.

Sales of raw milk are illegal in Ohio and 24 other states. But herd 
share agreements take advantage of a loophole because the group is 
buying the cows, not the milk.

Groups such as the Weston A. Price Foundation, which is dedicated to 
restoring nutrient-dense foods to people's diets, advocate the 
consumption of raw milk, saying pasteurization diminishes vitamin 
content and kills beneficial bacteria.

For Stutzman, the herd share agreement gives him an outlet for his 
extra milk. He also enjoys sharing his product with others who would 
otherwise not have access to it.

"We know people are deprived of this real food," he said.



>raw milk is not illegal per se, it is illegal to market and sell it as a
>consumable item for humans, call it a cat/dog/other mammal pet food
>supplement and sell it in litre or 2 litre jars with the proper labels and
>noone can say a word.
>there are ways around just about every law.
>Jason
>ICQ#:  154998177
>MSN:  [EMAIL PROTECTED] (most likely to get me)
>
>- Original Message -
>From: "mark manchester" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: 
>Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2006 10:45 AM
>Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Got A Little More Than Milk?
>
>
> > Keith's link shows that raw milk is illegal in lots of places.  We used to
> > get it in Switzerland, but even there it was a sort of co-op arrangement
> > among farmers and clients.  You go to the barn with your little tin and
> > buy
> > a couple litres, and let that stand to separate.  Resulting cream so thick
> > you couldn't pour it!  And the happy cows!  Each one with a name and
> > recognizable as an area resident.The dinging of their cowbells as they
> > strolled home along the road in the evening from pasture!   Okay, now I'm
> > getting nostalgic.  Thirty-five years ago I lived on a great farm where
> > sustainability and responsible use of resources was part of life.  Now I
> > live downtown in a big dirty city, go figure.   Jesse
> >
> >> From: Mike Weaver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
> >> Date: Sat, 24 J

Re: [Biofuel] China to flood US with improved Appleseeds for $220

[Joe Street]

Hi Keith and all;

Well I should say something here for sure.  Although my reactor design 
is quite different in the details of the way it is put together and the 
parts used it has all the functionality of Dale's touchless design and 
in fact it was his design that inspired me to do something similar. 
Ian's vacuum processor was another I looked at. Primarily I liked the 
fact that it could suck the methoxide in rather than it having to be 
forced in with pressure which gave me the willies thinking about what 
would happen if there was a leak and methoxide started spraying out 
somewhere. The other advantages i.e. in situ drying with high speed and 
all that were a bonus so I decided to do the same thing in my own way. I 
can't remember if I wrote to Dale or Ian, I think I might have but in 
any case they definitely inspired me and I would like to thank both of 
them for that. With regard to the high prices you mentioned for some of 
the stuff which is being sold (and doesn't work so great) some of the 
parts on my system are expensive but the costs of all the items are 
listed in the bill of materials and you can see how they add up. There 
is no profit taking anywhere obviously.  Well I'm not selling anything 
anyhow. I couldn't quite follow the links to the Chinese site which 
details the reactor does it look any good? It doesn't sound like a 
vacuum processor so it can't really be compared to the touchless or 
Ian's or mine.

Joe

Keith Addison wrote:

> I don't know Wu Qing-Yuan or Yanson Corp in China, but he sent me 
> this message below without comment, I guess he wants some publicity. 
> I don't know if he checked it with Rudi first, but it says all over 
> our website that we're journalists after all.
> 
> I couldn't get much sense out of Yanson's website, no pics that I 
> could find, but maybe someone else will do better.
> 
> It sure does sound like a big improvement on the Appleseed, with all 
> its problems. Let alone the FuelMeister:
> http://snipurl.com/h9ou
> Re: [biofuel] Best Processer
> 
> However, there's this, about the Appleseed, in a previous message:
> 
> 
>>Uh, it's not the same as Dale's touchless processor. It's a cheapo 
>>rip-off of Dale's processor, which is not acknowledged by the people 
>>who promote it.
> 
> -- See: "Re: [Biofuel] appleseed drainage"
> http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg57690.html
> 
> That's Biofuel list member Dale Scroggins, who designed the original 
> "Touchless processor":
> http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_processor.html#touchfree
> 
> That was in Jan 2001, and Dale announced it here:
> http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg02074.html
> [biofuel] Re: Biodiesel - no catalyst
> "Aw, shucks, it's really nothing special.  Just a 100-liter processor
> made from mostly salvaged materials that almost fills itself, mixes
> everything, recovers the unused methanol, washes and dries the ester
> pretty much by flipping a few switches. ;o)" -- Dale Scroggins, Thu, 
> 11 Jan 2001
> 
> It's still an advanced design, five years later.
> 
> Maria "Girl Mark" Alovert produced her dumbed-down version of it late 
> in 2003. Six months later she wrote to me in connection with her 
> "Appleseed" reactor, as she now called it: "I want to write to dale 
> scroggins and point him to the things his touchless has spawned." I 
> don't know if she ever did write to Dale, but I've never heard of her 
> acknowledging that in public, maybe she has, but she sure doesn't 
> push it.
> 
> Now the unacknowledged rip-off that doesn't work properly has been 
> fixed (probably) and is being mass-produced, "China patent pending". 
> But I'm sure Dale's part in it will remain unacknowledged.
> 
> That's one reason I'm posting this message here.
> 
> Another reason is that we established at the list that the 
> FuelMeister can be assembled from parts costing a few hundred 
> dollars, though Rudi sells it for $3,000 - er, sorry, that's only 
> $2,995 - plus all the add-ons that should be part of the package in 
> the first place. I wonder what he'll be charging for OEM Appleseeds 
> he pays $220 for? Girl Mark also sells her Appleseeds for about 
> $3,000. Rudi needs a new trick anyway, I see quite a few other people 
> flogging FuelMeister lookalikes in the US now, even if Josh doesn't 
> endorse them.
> 
> Anyway, IMNSHO it's the people who get it right that will make the 
> difference and all this other stuff just doesn't matter in the long 
> run. I really don't care about some guy who's agonising over whether 
> to buy a FuelMeister or an Appleseed or just use DSE or Acusorb 
> beads, but on the other hand I suppose it's no bad thing if Rudi 
> junks the odious FuelMeister in favour of these neo-Appleseeds from 
> China.
> 
> Best
> 
> Keith
> 
> 
> 
>>Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 11:14:52 -0700 (PDT)
>>From: yanson corp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>Subject: OEM-outsourcing (biodiesel)
>>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>
>>Hello Mr. Wu Qing-Yuan:
>>
>>I

Re: [Biofuel] An Inconvenient Truth

[Joe Street]

I saw it again last night with another friend.  This time I bought the 
t-shirt.  Only 10 bucks and made of completely recycled material.

Joe

Paul S Cantrell wrote:

> Video that continues 'what you can do' in the film.   The story at the
> beginning is pretty funny, too.
> 
> http://www.ted.com/tedtalks/tedtalksplayer.cfm?key=al_gore&flashEnabled=1
> 
> http://www.climatecrisis.net/
> 
> On 6/26/06, Sarath G <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
>>
>>I saw the movie this weekend and I was very impressed by the story and
>>facts. Not that this is a new topic to any of the members on this list, but
>>the portrayal of clear and present dangers of looming climate change are
>>well illustrated and makes an extra effort to bring this issue to public
>>focus.
>>Sarath
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [Biofuel] China to flood US with improved Appleseeds for $220

[Mike Weaver]

"touchless processor" Indeed.  Hrmpph
I haven't touched my processor in months.  Too busy bailing water...



Keith Addison wrote:

>I don't know Wu Qing-Yuan or Yanson Corp in China, but he sent me 
>this message below without comment, I guess he wants some publicity. 
>I don't know if he checked it with Rudi first, but it says all over 
>our website that we're journalists after all.
>
>I couldn't get much sense out of Yanson's website, no pics that I 
>could find, but maybe someone else will do better.
>
>It sure does sound like a big improvement on the Appleseed, with all 
>its problems. Let alone the FuelMeister:
>http://snipurl.com/h9ou
>Re: [biofuel] Best Processer
>
>However, there's this, about the Appleseed, in a previous message:
>
>  
>
>>Uh, it's not the same as Dale's touchless processor. It's a cheapo 
>>rip-off of Dale's processor, which is not acknowledged by the people 
>>who promote it.
>>
>>
>-- See: "Re: [Biofuel] appleseed drainage"
>http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg57690.html
>
>That's Biofuel list member Dale Scroggins, who designed the original 
>"Touchless processor":
>http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_processor.html#touchfree
>
>That was in Jan 2001, and Dale announced it here:
>http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg02074.html
>[biofuel] Re: Biodiesel - no catalyst
>"Aw, shucks, it's really nothing special.  Just a 100-liter processor
>made from mostly salvaged materials that almost fills itself, mixes
>everything, recovers the unused methanol, washes and dries the ester
>pretty much by flipping a few switches. ;o)" -- Dale Scroggins, Thu, 
>11 Jan 2001
>
>It's still an advanced design, five years later.
>
>Maria "Girl Mark" Alovert produced her dumbed-down version of it late 
>in 2003. Six months later she wrote to me in connection with her 
>"Appleseed" reactor, as she now called it: "I want to write to dale 
>scroggins and point him to the things his touchless has spawned." I 
>don't know if she ever did write to Dale, but I've never heard of her 
>acknowledging that in public, maybe she has, but she sure doesn't 
>push it.
>
>Now the unacknowledged rip-off that doesn't work properly has been 
>fixed (probably) and is being mass-produced, "China patent pending". 
>But I'm sure Dale's part in it will remain unacknowledged.
>
>That's one reason I'm posting this message here.
>
>Another reason is that we established at the list that the 
>FuelMeister can be assembled from parts costing a few hundred 
>dollars, though Rudi sells it for $3,000 - er, sorry, that's only 
>$2,995 - plus all the add-ons that should be part of the package in 
>the first place. I wonder what he'll be charging for OEM Appleseeds 
>he pays $220 for? Girl Mark also sells her Appleseeds for about 
>$3,000. Rudi needs a new trick anyway, I see quite a few other people 
>flogging FuelMeister lookalikes in the US now, even if Josh doesn't 
>endorse them.
>
>Anyway, IMNSHO it's the people who get it right that will make the 
>difference and all this other stuff just doesn't matter in the long 
>run. I really don't care about some guy who's agonising over whether 
>to buy a FuelMeister or an Appleseed or just use DSE or Acusorb 
>beads, but on the other hand I suppose it's no bad thing if Rudi 
>junks the odious FuelMeister in favour of these neo-Appleseeds from 
>China.
>
>Best
>
>Keith
>
>
>  
>
>>Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 11:14:52 -0700 (PDT)
>>From: yanson corp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>Subject: OEM-outsourcing (biodiesel)
>>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>
>>Hello Mr. Wu Qing-Yuan:
>>
>>I am the president of Biodiesel Solutions of Reno, NV, the home of 
>>the FuelMeister processor. We are the world¡¯s leading supplier of 
>>personal-scale biodiesel production equipment.
>>
>>We are VERY interested in importing and marketing your machines in 
>>the USA. While we currently manufacture these machines ourselves, we 
>>are primarily a ¡°system integrator¡±, ¡°marketer¡± and 
>>¡°value-added service provider¡± for biodiesel equipment. We have a 
>>trained and active network of over 53 dealers in the USA alone, plus 
>>many more overseas.
>>
>>If you are interested in rapidly opening up the US market for 
>>biodiesel equipment, please send me details about your product 
>>offerings.
>>
>>Best regards,
>>
>>Rudi Wiedemann
>>President / CEO
>>Biodiesel Solutions, Inc.
>>1395 Greg Street, #102
>>Sparks, NV 89431
>>877-358-6400 (toll free)
>>775-358-6400x101 (direct)
>>775-358-6499 (fax)
>>www.biodieselsolutions.com
>>
>>- 
>>-
>>
>>We are the low-cost OEM (original equipment manufacturer) of a 
>>house-designed 50-gallon all-metal personal homebrew processor 
>>(reaction chamber) destined for a biodiesel supply business in the 
>>US.   (First shipment arriving L.A. port early July.)
>>
>>This reaction chamber (RC) tank features a conical bottom for easy 
>>dra

Re: [Biofuel] VW Diesel to power a generator

[Mike Weaver]

Take it!

Thomas Kelly wrote:

> Mindy,
> Waddya mean the Lister is the noisiest generator?
> I listened to one the other day   Chug - Chuga - Chug - Chuga 
> .  I thought I was listening to the rhythm section of a band.
>  You think I ought to pass on a Lister?   Too noisy?
>Tom
>  
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Thompson, Mark L. (PNB R&D) 
> *To:* biofuel@sustainablelists.org
> 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 28, 2006 2:41 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [Biofuel] VW Diesel to power a generator
>
> In Alaska we had a 2 cylinder 4Kw Lister. The absolute nosiest
> generator in creation.
>  
> But it did run for 20 years 12h/day 6m/year without a problem.
>  
> In our case we took a 55 gallon drum. placed a divider in it, and
> filled it with gavel, and buried it in the ground.  
> The divider had holes cut into it at the bottom.
> The exhaust went in one Bung - Down to bottom - back up the other
> side - and then into the stack.
> It worked great as a muffler.
>  
> We built a small building to house it and used 1' layer sod/tundra
> to insulate the building walls.
>
> Mindy
>
>  
> 
> *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Kirk
> McLoren
> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 28, 2006 11:17 AM
> *To:* biofuel@sustainablelists.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Biofuel] VW Diesel to power a generator
>
> Dont forget to mount the motor on vibration damper. Also consider
> cooling flow and combustion air. Sound studios use
> labyrinths/baffles on air conditioning
> Kirk
>
> */Mike Weaver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>/* wrote:
>
> I have mine in a shed - boat shops have sound-deadening material.
>
> Zeke is the guy to ask about plans and how it should fit
> together...
>
> Thomas Kelly wrote:
>
> >Mike,
> > I have a concern about noise from a generator. I live in a
> rural area
> > closest neighbor is about .3 mi away. I live here
> because I like peace
> >and quiet. I sometimes sit in the garden and listen to the
> caterpillars
> >eating leaves on my trees.
> > The friend who's offering the VW engine has a 12 or 15KW
> Changfa ...
> >it's loud!!!
> > My thinking is to build a small "generator house" into a
> slope on my
> >property  line the inside with foam or something to
> deaden the sound
> >. muffler on the exhaust. The idea is to keep the heat on
> and the well
> >pump going when there's an interuption in power. I'd like the
> energy for
> >processing BD to come from a generator run on BD.
> > I think solar will be part of my energy future (not
> including the plant
> >"middle man" I already rely on). With improvements in
> batteries and
> >inverters, it would seem possible to add PV arrays to
> supplement the diesel
> >generator, and eventually take over.
> > I know little about generators, PV arrays, batteries or
> inverters, but
> >at this time last year I hadn't made anything bigger than 1L
> batches of BD,
> >had never driven a diesel car, and knew nothing about
> nozzles, electrodes,
> >or even what the "little door" on my furnace were for. A lot
> can happen in a
> >year.
> > Tom
> >- Original Message -
> >From: "Mike Weaver"
> >To:
> >Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2006 9:25 PM
> >Subject: Re: [Biofuel] VW Diesel to power a generator
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>I have a 4.7 HP Changfa I've been happy with - it runs a 100
> amp GM
> >>alternator - I get about 1200 watts out of it. I think it
> would easily
> >>run a 200 amp,
> >>or just buy a genset from Grainger if you want AC current. I
> expect it
> >>would handle 3000 - 4000 watts. It doesn't use much fuel but
> it is
> >>noisy - needs to be in a shed unless you are rural.
> >>
> >>-Mike
> >>
> >>ason& Katie wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>maybe rig up 2 or 3 generators to it? use a heavy
> motorcycle chain
> >>>maybe?
> >>>Jason
> >>>ICQ#: 154998177
> >>>MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (most
> >>>likely to get me)
> >>>
> >>> - Original Message -
> >>> *From:* Thomas Kelly
> >>> *To:* biofuel
> >>> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 27, 2006 7:34 PM
> >>> *Subject:* [Biofuel] VW Diesel to power a generator
>

Re: [Biofuel] VW Diesel to power a generator

[Mike Weaver]

You can rewind those old GM small frames for more juice - I picked it 
because I had a friend with and old one and as a one-time mechanic
I'm familiar with them.

There is a ton of stuff on the web re HO alternators if you are after 
DC.  For AC, I would go with a decent genset - the ones they sell at 
Northern and
Harbour Freight seem to fry after awhile - not sure they are designed 
for long continuous use.

-Mike

-Mike

Zeke Yewdall wrote:

> On sound deadening, it is amazing how much sound comes out of the 
> Intake of the VW engines (in addition to the exhaust which is the 
> obvious place that most people take).  On my rabbit, I've got a short 
> 3" diameter pipe going into the air cleaner (which is built into the 
> intake manifold), and it's pretty loud.  The stock intake is designed 
> to muffle the sound more (and also cuts a bit of power out -- it 
> accelerates noticeably faster with the new short wide intake pipe).  
> The water cooled engine jacket will cut down on some of the sound 
> compared to an air cooled diesel, but still, putting it in a 
> underground shed might be a good idea.   This is one reason I am a big 
> fan of PV vs biodiesel generators  -- places where I want power, you 
> can't even hear a car within a few miles, so I don't want to be 
> listening to a droning generator.Snow also makes a great sound 
> deadener.  Seriously, 100 yards of snow covered conifers can deaden 
> even an air cooled lawnmower engine down to nothing  Of course, 
> that time of year is when you don't get any sun for the PV's either
>
>
> On 6/28/06, *Jason& Katie* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> > wrote:
>
> the majority of gm parts from the early 50's to the mid 80's were
> standardized (except buick) so if you are in the boneyard
> sometime, fancy a
> look into buying another alternator to experiment with. you can
> change these
> mid 80s alternators just about any way you want, i had one with a
> variable
> control field, that would output whatever voltage i wanted
> depending on how
> i set the field feed. very versatile equipment those alternators.
> Jason
> ICQ#:  154998177
> MSN:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]  (most
> likely to get me)
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Mike Weaver" < [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> To:  >
> Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 9:24 AM
> Subject: Re: [Biofuel] VW Diesel to power a generator
>
>
> > It's a rebuilt small frame from an 80's diesel caddy
> >
> > Jason& Katie wrote:
> >
> >>how old of a gm alternator? you could bypass the diode set and get
> >>unregulated AC out of it anyway.
> >>Jason
> >>ICQ#:  154998177
> >>MSN:  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> (most likely to get me)
> >>
> >>- Original Message -
> >>From: "Mike Weaver" < [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> >>To:  >
> >>Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2006 8:25 PM
> >>Subject: Re: [Biofuel] VW Diesel to power a generator
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>I have a 4.7 HP Changfa I've been happy with - it runs a 100 amp GM
> >>>alternator - I get about 1200 watts out of it.  I think it
> would easily
> >>>run a 200 amp,
> >>>or just buy a genset from Grainger if you want AC current.  I
> expect it
> >>>would handle 3000 - 4000 watts.  It doesn't use much fuel but it is
> >>>noisy - needs to be in a shed unless you are rural.
> >>>
> >>>-Mike
> >>>
> >>>ason& Katie wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> maybe rig up 2 or 3 generators to it?  use a heavy motorcycle
> chain
> maybe?
> Jason
> ICQ#:  154998177
> MSN:  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> (most
> likely to get me)
> 
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Thomas Kelly  >
> *To:* biofuel  >
> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 27, 2006 7:34 PM
> *Subject:* [Biofuel] VW Diesel to power a generator
> 
> Hello all,
>    I'm interested in getting a diesel generator. A friend has
> offered me a VW Rabbit diesel engine (48HP) and says it
> would be
> great to power a generator. It seems a bit overkill. I was
> looking
> at 4 - 6 HP.
>    Guidance here would be appreciated.
>   Tom
> 
> 
> 
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