Re: [Biofuel] A heat Engine for the house.

[dwoodard]

I recall reading that Fiat experimented with a natural gas fueled 
cogeneration "Total energy" system based on a car engine, back in
the 1970's. I think it was intended for apartment buildings etc.
I don't know whether it was sold commercially to any extent.

I understand that Denmark uses biomass fueled cogeneration fairly widely.

District heating without cogeneration has been widely used in Europe.
It was much used in the Soviet Union. There is an old district 
heating system in part of downtown Toronto using steam as the 
transmission medium; this is regarded as inefficient these days, 
and it is not suitable for cogeneration. Industrial cogeneration
is widely used in North America.

Four years ago I read that fuel cell cogeneration systems were planned
for trials in 2003. I haven't heard anything since although I have not 
spent much effort on inquiry. I presume that the problem here is the
same as with cars; it's necessary to get the price of fuel cells way
down before they can be sold commercially.

In many cogeneration applications where not a lot of electricity is
needed relatively speaking, the electrical generating part of the
system doesn't need to be highly efficient at converting heat to
electricity so it can be made simple, cheap and reliable.

Doug Woodard
St. Catharines, Ontario, Canada


On Fri, 27 Oct 2006, Zeke Yewdall wrote:

> This is known as Cogeneration, and in the energy consulting world is
> considered pretty hot.  Usually it's trying to recuperate heat from small
> turbines, fuel cells, or even large turbines, but it generally pays back
> pretty well (because usually the other option is just throwing away all that
> heat, because they need the electricity anyway).  I suspect that the problem
> was the gasoline is a pretty high priced form of BTU's.  But they've made
> working systems using MW sized diesel generators in some alaskan villages,
> and they pay $3 or $4 per gallon for fuel (and $0.40/kWh for the resulting
> electricity) I don't actually know anyone who's done this on a scale smaller
> than a large commercial building or campus, but perhaps there's someone out
> there   The thing is that if you just want to get heat, it's always more
> efficient to just run a boiler or furnace or such, and not waste energy in
> making movement.  But if you can syphon off 20% of the energy into motion,
> which you then turn to high value energy such as electricity, it might be
> better.   Also, you've got to match the electrical and thermal loads, which
> often don't match well, though they could in certain situations.
>


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Re: [Biofuel] Answer to Energy Crisis? Waste Not, Want Not

[Doug Foskey]

The early (heavy) CFLs were a non-semiconductor design, which took some time 
to come to full output.
 The newer electronic ones may use a higher frequency, which increases 
efficiency. They definitely start much faster.

 I have had failures on some electronic ones, due to transients on our power 
line. We are on the end of a spur line, & at night the voltage can go well 
above specs. This could also be related to the batch of bad electrolytic 
capacitors that were around a few years ago.
 The scenario goes: up in the middle of the night to service the bladder, turn 
the light on & poof!
 As I said, I havent had this issue for well over 12 months now. We also have 
the problem of 240v power, where most equipment is designed for 220v. This 
stresses components, & if the voltage goes high, there is not as much margin.

regards Doug

On Saturday 28 October 2006 10:56, robert and benita rabello wrote:
> Paul S Cantrell wrote:
> > What kind are you buying?  There are very cheap, crappy ones and then
> > there are Sylvania and Philips.  I have never had one burn out in my
> > house...
>
> We bought some very expensive 28 watt Panasonic full spectrum bulbs
> for our kitchen when we built our house.  Two of them burned out within
> a year or so, and I've been unable to find a replacement source for
> them.  After a LONG and frustrating search, I abandoned the Panasonics
> and went to a different brand.
>
> Also, we've had several small CFL's burn out in ceiling fixtures in
> our boy's rooms.
>
> On the other hand, I also have a handful of CFL's bought back in the
> early 1990's that are still going strong!
>
> > Showerheads involve so much personal preference, that it is hard to
> > get general acceptance of low-flow showerheads.  The best strategy
> > I've heard is to take note of the ones in hotel rooms, and when you
> > find one you like, write down the type and go buy it.
>
> I use the lowest flow showerhead on the market.  My response to the
> initial post is that if water is dispersed and I have to turn it up in
> order to feel warm, big deal . . .  The water heater is set at a given
> temperature anyway.  If I crank the hot water to feel warm, I'm simply
> using less COLD water to blend in for the desired temperature.  Turn the
> water heater down and crank the valve up.  More heat is wasted while
> that big tank of water is just sitting there, waiting for use, than is
> used in an eight minute hot shower with an ultra low-flow head.
>
> robert luis rabello
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Re: [Biofuel] Major Problems Of Surviving Peak Oil

[M&K DuPree]

The Discovery Channel has a show on this "Super Volcano."
http://dsc.discovery.com/convergence/supervolcano/supervolcano.html

- Original Message - 
From: "Doug Foskey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2006 7:35 AM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Major Problems Of Surviving Peak Oil


>I have not read this article, but I was wondering if Yellowstone may be
> affected by globall warming? It would be catastrophic for the world if a 
> few
> degrees warmer environment made Yellowstone more active.
>
> regards Doug
> (from the down side of the planet)
>
> On Saturday 28 October 2006 6:36, M&K DuPree wrote:
>> Hi Zeke...with a population that is exploding and with it the demand for
>> limited resources doing same, how can anyone not expect that we will not
>> only continue in the direction of the last 80 years, but accelerate in 
>> that
>> direction?  This thread has included the statement "everything changes."
>> It occurred to me, however, that indeed it does change, but never
>> disappears.  Is there solace in this thought?  Obviously not for anyone 
>> who
>> has identified totally with "What a Wonderful World" this is, er, was. 
>> Ah
>> well, just in case anyone is still hanging on too dearly, you might check
>> out  http://bioresonant.com/news.htm.  This author says the earth is
>> preparing to explode.  Now won't that be fun?!!!  Mike DuPree -
>> Original Message -
>>   From: Zeke Yewdall
>>   To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
>>   Sent: Friday, October 27, 2006 2:26 PM
>>   Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Major Problems Of Surviving Peak Oil
>>
>>
>>   At 9,300 feet elevation, I have little to worry about with regards to
>> rising sea levels.But, the climate is already getting pretty wacky. 
>> I
>> was talking to someone who's lived there for over 30 years, and he's seen
>> the weather noticeably chance since then.   The treeline is moving both 
>> up
>> from the bottom due to hotter summers and drought, and down from the top
>> due to colder winters, less snow to protect the trees, and wind.
>> Permanent snowfields that used to be 200 foot thick along the divide 
>> around
>> the turn of the century are almost gone now.   We just got 22 inches of
>> snow at my house wednesday night, which is "normal" for around 1900 or 
>> so,
>> but for the last 80 years or so, it's been quite a bit less snow than the
>> previous few hundred years.   Alot of our infrastructure was built in the
>> period of less snow, so it doesn't cope with the snow that well.   If we
>> actually get a "normal" winter, it's going to be hard.  But if we 
>> continue
>> in the direction of the last 80 years, water, both for cities, and for
>> agriculture, is going to get pretty scarce here in Colorado.
>>
>>
>>   On 10/25/06, Bob Molloy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Hi Terry,
>> The projected rise in sea levels is about five metres
>> (just over 16 feet) in the next 100 years. That gives us plenty of time 
>> to
>> pick up our beach umbrellas and move back a few feet. Over 90 per cent of
>> our population lives with a half-hour drive of the sea so the issue is 
>> one
>> of great interest here. In my case it will bring the nearest tidal water
>> (currently 300 yards away) to within a hundred yards of my front lawn and
>> maybe take out a few of my grape vines.
>> It's a worry I tell you.
>> Regards,
>> Bob.
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Terry Dyck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >
>> To: 
>> Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 8:48 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Major Problems Of Surviving Peak Oil
>>
>> > Hi Bob,
>> >
>> > New Zealand must be the perfect place to live.  You have won awards
>> > for environmental projects and you are planting seeds to grow 
>> diesel
>> > trees. Congratulations.  Those beaches you mentioned could be in
>> > trouble, though, when the sea rises.
>> >
>> > Terry Dyck
>> >
>> > >From: "Bob Molloy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> > >Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
>> > >To: 
>> > >Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Major Problems Of Surviving Peak Oil
>> > >Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 11:48:43 +1300
>> > >
>> > >Jeez Mike,
>> > >No, definitely not New Zealand, we've limited
>> > > our population to four million and we only have an area just a
>> > > little larger than the British Isles. Besides we've got an
>> > > anti-nuclear policy and live under an ozone hole for much of the
>> > > summer. Anyway we've got too much
>>
>> water
>>
>> > >and forest and mountains and stuff, the South Pole is just over 
>> the
>> > >horizon, we've got all these beaches that nobody uses, deer and
>> > > horses
>>
>> and
>>
>> > >pig that run wild, eels in every stream, fish coming out of our 
>> ears
>> > > and sheep everywhere. You'd hate it.
>> > >Trust me,
>> > >Bob.
>> > >   - Original Message -
>> > >   From: M

Re: [Biofuel] Cummins bio-diesel question

[JAMES PHELPS]

WOW!!

That is really cool. Say Jon Testor is going to be here Sunday, I am going 
to meet him.  I am so disgusted with the Republican Campaign its just 
getting creepy.

Jim


- Original Message - 
From: "PAUL MILLER" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Friday, October 27, 2006 4:20 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Cummins bio-diesel question


Jim:  My 12 valve has been running B-100 for almost a year with no bad 
results other than temperature problems.  If you want to know how well a 5.9 
litre can run, a friend of mine in Denver runs a 5.9 drag rail.  Check it 
out at http://www.cumminsracing.com/  . 
Question is:  how much power can one get from a 5.9 litre?  ans:  about 
800+hp .

Paul
  - Original Message - 
  From: JAMES PHELPS
  To: biofuel
  Sent: Friday, October 27, 2006 12:45 PM
  Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Cummins bio-diesel question



  Couldn't tell you with WVO but The older models designed for the old style
  fuel seem to love it. The University of Idaho used this engine in all 
their
  testing as well.

  On the subject of the newer ones, I hear they will do fine to as long as 
the
  fuel is filtered to specifications and viscosity is good. that means good
  biodiesel. Any one?


  - Original Message - 
  From: "Jim" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
  To: mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.org>>
  Sent: Friday, October 27, 2006 3:26 AM
  Subject: [Biofuel] Cummins bio-diesel question


  > How well do the Cummins engines used by Dodge work with bio-diesel & 
WVO?
  > Also, any word from Europe on how the smaller Dodge diesels used over
  > there
  > are running on it?
  >
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Re: [Biofuel] Cummins bio-diesel question

[PAUL MILLER]

Jim:  I forgot the most important part, the drag car runs on pure 100% 
Bio-diesel.  
 
Paul

  - Original Message - 
  From: JAMES PHELPS 
  To: biofuel 
  Sent: Friday, October 27, 2006 12:45 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Cummins bio-diesel 
  question
  Couldn't tell you with WVO but The older models designed 
  for the old stylefuel seem to love it. The University of Idaho used this 
  engine in all theirtesting as well.On the subject of the newer 
  ones, I hear they will do fine to as long as thefuel is filtered to 
  specifications and viscosity is good. that means goodbiodiesel. Any 
  one?- Original Message - From: "Jim" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: 
  Sent: 
  Friday, October 27, 2006 3:26 AMSubject: [Biofuel] Cummins bio-diesel 
  question> How well do the Cummins engines used by Dodge work 
  with bio-diesel & WVO?> Also, any word from Europe on how the 
  smaller Dodge diesels used over> there> are running on 
  it?>> Jim> > 
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Re: [Biofuel] Cummins bio-diesel question

[PAUL MILLER]

Jim:  My 12 valve has been running B-100 for almost a year with no bad 
results other than temperature problems.  If you want to know how well a 
5.9 litre can run, a friend of mine in Denver runs a 5.9 drag rail.  Check 
it out at http://www.cumminsracing.com/  
  Question is:  how much power can one get from a 5.9 litre?  
ans:  about 800+hp .
 
Paul

  - Original Message - 
  From: JAMES PHELPS 
  To: biofuel 
  Sent: Friday, October 27, 2006 12:45 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Cummins bio-diesel 
  question
  Couldn't tell you with WVO but The older models designed 
  for the old stylefuel seem to love it. The University of Idaho used this 
  engine in all theirtesting as well.On the subject of the newer 
  ones, I hear they will do fine to as long as thefuel is filtered to 
  specifications and viscosity is good. that means goodbiodiesel. Any 
  one?- Original Message - From: "Jim" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: 
  Sent: 
  Friday, October 27, 2006 3:26 AMSubject: [Biofuel] Cummins bio-diesel 
  question> How well do the Cummins engines used by Dodge work 
  with bio-diesel & WVO?> Also, any word from Europe on how the 
  smaller Dodge diesels used over> there> are running on 
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Re: [Biofuel] A heat Engine for the house.

[JAMES PHELPS]

It sounds good at a glance but then its those dang little details that start 
to get things all messed up.  I would like to design an off grid home 
someday and have been kicking this idea around. I suppose for a home there 
are better means.

Jim


- Original Message - 
From: "Zeke Yewdall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Friday, October 27, 2006 5:18 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] A heat Engine for the house.


> This is known as Cogeneration, and in the energy consulting world is
> considered pretty hot.  Usually it's trying to recuperate heat from small
> turbines, fuel cells, or even large turbines, but it generally pays back
> pretty well (because usually the other option is just throwing away all 
> that
> heat, because they need the electricity anyway).  I suspect that the 
> problem
> was the gasoline is a pretty high priced form of BTU's.  But they've made
> working systems using MW sized diesel generators in some alaskan villages,
> and they pay $3 or $4 per gallon for fuel (and $0.40/kWh for the resulting
> electricity) I don't actually know anyone who's done this on a scale 
> smaller
> than a large commercial building or campus, but perhaps there's someone 
> out
> there   The thing is that if you just want to get heat, it's always 
> more
> efficient to just run a boiler or furnace or such, and not waste energy in
> making movement.  But if you can syphon off 20% of the energy into motion,
> which you then turn to high value energy such as electricity, it might be
> better.   Also, you've got to match the electrical and thermal loads, 
> which
> often don't match well, though they could in certain situations.
>
> Z
>
> On 10/27/06, JAMES PHELPS <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > When I lived in Colorado I looked into using a Gas engine With a 
> > generator
> > to provide heating and electricity in the heavy winter months.  The idea
> > was
> > to use all but the heat exchanged exhaust as heat source and the 
> > generated
> > power for electricity. It was not cost effective at that time with fuel
> > prices at $1.75 but I wonder now with biodiesel. Has anyone done 
> > anything
> > like this or is this a looser anyway you look at it?
> >
> > Jim
> >
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Re: [Biofuel] Answer to Energy Crisis? Waste Not, Want Not

[robert and benita rabello]

Paul S Cantrell wrote:

>
> What kind are you buying?  There are very cheap, crappy ones and then 
> there are Sylvania and Philips.  I have never had one burn out in my 
> house...


We bought some very expensive 28 watt Panasonic full spectrum bulbs 
for our kitchen when we built our house.  Two of them burned out within 
a year or so, and I've been unable to find a replacement source for 
them.  After a LONG and frustrating search, I abandoned the Panasonics 
and went to a different brand.

Also, we've had several small CFL's burn out in ceiling fixtures in 
our boy's rooms.

On the other hand, I also have a handful of CFL's bought back in the 
early 1990's that are still going strong!


>
> Showerheads involve so much personal preference, that it is hard to 
> get general acceptance of low-flow showerheads.  The best strategy 
> I've heard is to take note of the ones in hotel rooms, and when you 
> find one you like, write down the type and go buy it.


I use the lowest flow showerhead on the market.  My response to the 
initial post is that if water is dispersed and I have to turn it up in 
order to feel warm, big deal . . .  The water heater is set at a given 
temperature anyway.  If I crank the hot water to feel warm, I'm simply 
using less COLD water to blend in for the desired temperature.  Turn the 
water heater down and crank the valve up.  More heat is wasted while 
that big tank of water is just sitting there, waiting for use, than is 
used in an eight minute hot shower with an ultra low-flow head.

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Re: [Biofuel] Bio-Diesel Slogan any thoughts

[robert and benita rabello]

Here's my suggestion:

Quit smoking.  Burn biodiesel.

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Re: [Biofuel] Major Problems Of Surviving Peak Oil

[Doug Foskey]

I have not read this article, but I was wondering if Yellowstone may be 
affected by globall warming? It would be catastrophic for the world if a few 
degrees warmer environment made Yellowstone more active.

regards Doug
(from the down side of the planet)

On Saturday 28 October 2006 6:36, M&K DuPree wrote:
> Hi Zeke...with a population that is exploding and with it the demand for
> limited resources doing same, how can anyone not expect that we will not
> only continue in the direction of the last 80 years, but accelerate in that
> direction?  This thread has included the statement "everything changes." 
> It occurred to me, however, that indeed it does change, but never
> disappears.  Is there solace in this thought?  Obviously not for anyone who
> has identified totally with "What a Wonderful World" this is, er, was.  Ah
> well, just in case anyone is still hanging on too dearly, you might check
> out  http://bioresonant.com/news.htm.  This author says the earth is
> preparing to explode.  Now won't that be fun?!!!  Mike DuPree -
> Original Message -
>   From: Zeke Yewdall
>   To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
>   Sent: Friday, October 27, 2006 2:26 PM
>   Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Major Problems Of Surviving Peak Oil
>
>
>   At 9,300 feet elevation, I have little to worry about with regards to
> rising sea levels.But, the climate is already getting pretty wacky.  I
> was talking to someone who's lived there for over 30 years, and he's seen
> the weather noticeably chance since then.   The treeline is moving both up
> from the bottom due to hotter summers and drought, and down from the top
> due to colder winters, less snow to protect the trees, and wind.  
> Permanent snowfields that used to be 200 foot thick along the divide around
> the turn of the century are almost gone now.   We just got 22 inches of
> snow at my house wednesday night, which is "normal" for around 1900 or so,
> but for the last 80 years or so, it's been quite a bit less snow than the
> previous few hundred years.   Alot of our infrastructure was built in the
> period of less snow, so it doesn't cope with the snow that well.   If we
> actually get a "normal" winter, it's going to be hard.  But if we continue
> in the direction of the last 80 years, water, both for cities, and for
> agriculture, is going to get pretty scarce here in Colorado.
>
>
>   On 10/25/06, Bob Molloy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi Terry,
> The projected rise in sea levels is about five metres
> (just over 16 feet) in the next 100 years. That gives us plenty of time to
> pick up our beach umbrellas and move back a few feet. Over 90 per cent of
> our population lives with a half-hour drive of the sea so the issue is one
> of great interest here. In my case it will bring the nearest tidal water
> (currently 300 yards away) to within a hundred yards of my front lawn and
> maybe take out a few of my grape vines.
> It's a worry I tell you.
> Regards,
> Bob.
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Terry Dyck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >
> To: 
> Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 8:48 AM
> Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Major Problems Of Surviving Peak Oil
>
> > Hi Bob,
> >
> > New Zealand must be the perfect place to live.  You have won awards
> > for environmental projects and you are planting seeds to grow diesel
> > trees. Congratulations.  Those beaches you mentioned could be in
> > trouble, though, when the sea rises.
> >
> > Terry Dyck
> >
> > >From: "Bob Molloy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
> > >To: 
> > >Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Major Problems Of Surviving Peak Oil
> > >Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 11:48:43 +1300
> > >
> > >Jeez Mike,
> > >No, definitely not New Zealand, we've limited
> > > our population to four million and we only have an area just a
> > > little larger than the British Isles. Besides we've got an
> > > anti-nuclear policy and live under an ozone hole for much of the
> > > summer. Anyway we've got too much
>
> water
>
> > >and forest and mountains and stuff, the South Pole is just over the
> > >horizon, we've got all these beaches that nobody uses, deer and
> > > horses
>
> and
>
> > >pig that run wild, eels in every stream, fish coming out of our ears
> > > and sheep everywhere. You'd hate it.
> > >Trust me,
> > >Bob.
> > >   - Original Message -
> > >   From: M&K DuPree
> > >   To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
> > >   Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 1:07 AM
> > >   Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Major Problems Of Surviving Peak Oil
> > >
> > >
> > >   See Stephen Leeb's The Coming Economic Collapse: How You Can
> > > Thrive
>
> When
>
> > >Oil Costs $200 a Barrel.  Leeb would have us buying stocks in
> > > various companies because that's his business.  The points he makes
>

Re: [Biofuel] A heat Engine for the house.

[Zeke Yewdall]

This is known as Cogeneration, and in the energy consulting world is considered pretty hot.  Usually it's trying to recuperate heat from small turbines, fuel cells, or even large turbines, but it generally pays back pretty well (because usually the other option is just throwing away all that heat, because they need the electricity anyway).  I suspect that the problem was the gasoline is a pretty high priced form of BTU's.  But they've made working systems using MW sized diesel generators in some alaskan villages, and they pay $3 or $4 per gallon for fuel (and $0.40/kWh for the resulting electricity) I don't actually know anyone who's done this on a scale smaller than a large commercial building or campus, but perhaps there's someone out there   The thing is that if you just want to get heat, it's always more efficient to just run a boiler or furnace or such, and not waste energy in making movement.  But if you can syphon off 20% of the energy into motion, which you then turn to high value energy such as electricity, it might be better.   Also, you've got to match the electrical and thermal loads, which often don't match well, though they could in certain situations.
ZOn 10/27/06, JAMES PHELPS <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
When I lived in Colorado I looked into using a Gas engine With a generatorto provide heating and electricity in the heavy winter months.  The idea wasto use all but the heat exchanged exhaust as heat source and the generated
power for electricity. It was not cost effective at that time with fuelprices at $1.75 but I wonder now with biodiesel. Has anyone done anythinglike this or is this a looser anyway you look at it?Jim
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[Biofuel] A heat Engine for the house.

[JAMES PHELPS]

When I lived in Colorado I looked into using a Gas engine With a generator 
to provide heating and electricity in the heavy winter months.  The idea was 
to use all but the heat exchanged exhaust as heat source and the generated 
power for electricity. It was not cost effective at that time with fuel 
prices at $1.75 but I wonder now with biodiesel. Has anyone done anything 
like this or is this a looser anyway you look at it?

Jim 


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Re: [Biofuel] Bio-Diesel Slogan any thoughts

[Sarath G]

Bio-Diesel, $Green for you and Green for the Environment
 
Sarath 
On 10/27/06, Logan vilas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Bio-Diesel, Runs more like petro-Diesel.Just Without belching out black smoke and without the chemical smell.
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[Biofuel] Bush's Next Job

[D. Mindock]

Bush's Next Job... By Bill Ferguson

Knight Ridder Newspapers Salt Lake Tribune 6/16/2006

Every great career eventually comes to an end, and when you're the president 
of these United States, you only get eight years (at most) to accomplish 
everything you set out to do. Then you're an ex-president for the rest of 
your life. I'll bet that ex-presidents, like most retired people, find it to 
be something of a shock to have all that time on their hands when they leave 
the working world. So they find things to do. They work on their memoirs. 
They build libraries. They give speeches. They support their favorite 
charitable causes. But what about our current president? His term will be up 
before he knows it, and then it's back to private life. I'm afraid the 
transition will be especially difficult for Dubya. He is a man of action, 
and I worry about how he'll adjust to a life out of the spotlight. I think 
that we, as a nation, owe Bush more than the customary parting gifts of an 
enormous pension and round-the-clock Secret Service protection when he 
leaves off ice. I think w e can do better for him. I think we should put him 
to work, and I know just where he ought to go. Iraq. There is no question 
that Iraq will be the legacy of President Bush's tenure, and there is also 
no doubt that there will still be a lot of work to do there when he leaves 
office. I believe we should allow Bush an opportunity to stick with the job 
even after his term expires. The next president should appoint George W. 
Bush to be a special envoy to Iraq and charge him with the responsibility to 
oversee all American interests there, advise the new Iraqi government, and 
maintain the morale of American troops who are carrying out the war effort. 
\The position should be a permanent one, and he would not leave until the 
"hard work" of helping Iraq to establish a working democratic government has 
been accomplished. Or until he leaves this mortal coil. Whichever comes 
first. But I do not believe Bush should go to Iraq alone. He needs \some 
trusted advisors by his side at all times, and the first two names that 
immediately spring to mind are Dick Cheney and Don Rumsfeld. These men have 
been instrumental in the planning and execution of the Iraq campaign from 
the beginning, and I can only imagine how much more effective their work 
could be if they were onsite 24/7 right where the action is, getting their 
hands dirty in the cause of spreading freedom to that dark corner of the 
world.

I know this assignment would be dangerous. The three senior freedom fighters 
would be huge targets for the forces of evil in Iraq, and there is a real 
possibility that one or more of them might meet with an untimely demise in t 
hat chaotic environment. But as Bush has reminded us time and again, the 
price is high but our cause is just. Freedom is not free. I expect that all 
three men would be ready and willing to undertake their assignments in the 
battle zone despite the extreme danger they would face. This would be a 
chance to show the world that they are willing to put their own lives, and 
not just the lives of others, on the line for what they know to be right.

So let's start a campaign to send the Bush-Cheney-Rumsfeld team to Iraq in 
2008. They deserve the opportunity to "finish the job" in Iraq, and I think 
that the sight of the three of them tooling around the streets of Baghdad in 
a lightly armored Humvee would do a lot to improve the morale of all 
Americans.

Bill Ferguson is a columnist for the Macon (GA) Telegraph.

"I mean, think about it. Other than the war in Iraq, the Katrina disaster, 
the deficit, the CIA leak, torture, stopping stem cell research, homeland 
security, global warming [, unlimited spying, throwing out habeas corpus,] 
and undercutting science, we've yet to really feel the negative effects of 
the Bush administration." -- Bill Moyers 

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Re: [Biofuel] Cummins bio-diesel question

[Zeke Yewdall]

I know a few people running the older 12 valve ones on biodiesel, just put in a fuel pressure sensor so you can tell when the lift pump fails, because it seems that that's pretty common.   Don't know about the 24 valve ones.
ZOn 10/27/06, JAMES PHELPS <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Couldn't tell you with WVO but The older models designed for the old stylefuel seem to love it. The University of Idaho used this engine in all theirtesting as well.On the subject of the newer ones, I hear they will do fine to as long as the
fuel is filtered to specifications and viscosity is good. that means goodbiodiesel. Any one?- Original Message -From: "Jim" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>To: Sent: Friday, October 27, 2006 3:26 AMSubject: [Biofuel] Cummins bio-diesel question> How well do the Cummins engines used by Dodge work with bio-diesel & WVO?
> Also, any word from Europe on how the smaller Dodge diesels used over> there> are running on it?>> Jim> > ___> Biofuel mailing list
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Re: [Biofuel] Cummins bio-diesel question

[JAMES PHELPS]

Couldn't tell you with WVO but The older models designed for the old style
fuel seem to love it. The University of Idaho used this engine in all their
testing as well.

On the subject of the newer ones, I hear they will do fine to as long as the
fuel is filtered to specifications and viscosity is good. that means good
biodiesel. Any one?


- Original Message - 
From: "Jim" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Friday, October 27, 2006 3:26 AM
Subject: [Biofuel] Cummins bio-diesel question


> How well do the Cummins engines used by Dodge work with bio-diesel & WVO?
> Also, any word from Europe on how the smaller Dodge diesels used over
> there
> are running on it?
>
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Re: [Biofuel] Major Problems Of Surviving Peak Oil

[M&K DuPree]

Hi Zeke...with a population 
that is exploding and with it the demand for limited resources doing same, how 
can anyone not expect that we will not only continue in the direction of the 
last 80 years, but accelerate in that direction?  This thread has included 
the statement "everything changes."  It occurred to me, however, that 
indeed it does change, but never disappears.  Is there solace in this 
thought?  Obviously not for anyone who has identified totally with 
"What a Wonderful World" this is, er, was.  Ah well, just in case anyone is 
still hanging on too dearly, you might check out  http://bioresonant.com/news.htm.  
This author says the earth is preparing to explode.  Now won't that be 
fun?!!!  Mike DuPree

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Zeke Yewdall 
  
  To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org 
  
  Sent: Friday, October 27, 2006 2:26 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Major Problems Of 
  Surviving Peak Oil
  At 9,300 feet elevation, I have little to worry about with 
  regards to rising sea levels.    But, the climate is already 
  getting pretty wacky.  I was talking to someone who's lived there for 
  over 30 years, and he's seen the weather noticeably chance since 
  then.   The treeline is moving both up from the bottom due to hotter 
  summers and drought, and down from the top due to colder winters, less snow to 
  protect the trees, and wind.   Permanent snowfields that used to be 
  200 foot thick along the divide around the turn of the century are almost gone 
  now.   We just got 22 inches of snow at my house wednesday night, 
  which is "normal" for around 1900 or so, but for the last 80 years or so, it's 
  been quite a bit less snow than the previous few hundred years.   
  Alot of our infrastructure was built in the period of less snow, so it doesn't 
  cope with the snow that well.   If we actually get a "normal" 
  winter, it's going to be hard.  But if we continue in the direction of 
  the last 80 years, water, both for cities, and for agriculture, is going to 
  get pretty scarce here in Colorado. 
  On 10/25/06, Bob 
  Molloy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
  wrote:
  Hi 
Terry,The 
projected rise in sea levels is about five metres (justover 16 feet) in 
the next 100 years. That gives us plenty of time to pick upour beach 
umbrellas and move back a few feet. Over 90 per cent of our population 
lives with a half-hour drive of the sea so the issue is one ofgreat 
interest here. In my case it will bring the nearest tidal 
water(currently 300 yards away) to within a hundred yards of my front 
lawn and maybe take out a few of my grape vines.It's a worry I tell 
you.Regards,Bob.- Original Message -From: "Terry 
Dyck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>To: Sent: 
Thursday, October 26, 2006 8:48 AMSubject: Re: [Biofuel] Major Problems 
Of Surviving Peak Oil> Hi Bob,>> New Zealand 
must be the perfect place to live.  You have won awards 
for> environmental projects and you are planting seeds to grow diesel 
trees.> Congratulations.  Those beaches you mentioned could 
be in trouble, though, > when the sea rises.>> Terry 
Dyck>>> >From: "Bob Molloy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> 
>Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org> 
>To: > 
>Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Major Problems Of Surviving Peak Oil> 
>Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 11:48:43 +1300 > >> >Jeez 
Mike,> 
>No, 
definitely not New Zealand, we've limited our> >population to four 
million and we only have an area just a little larger> >than the 
British Isles. Besides we've got an anti-nuclear policy and live > 
>under an ozone hole for much of the summer. Anyway we've got too 
muchwater> >and forest and mountains and stuff, the South Pole 
is just over the> >horizon, we've got all these beaches that 
nobody uses, deer and horses and> >pig that run wild, eels in 
every stream, fish coming out of our ears and> >sheep everywhere. 
You'd hate it.> >Trust me,> >Bob.> 
>   - Original Message -> >   From: 
M&K DuPree> >   To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org> 
>   Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 1:07 AM> 
>   Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Major Problems Of Surviving Peak Oil 
> >> >> >   See Stephen Leeb's The 
Coming Economic Collapse: How You Can ThriveWhen> >Oil Costs 
$200 a Barrel.  Leeb would have us buying stocks in 
various> >companies because that's his business.  The 
points he makes about why the > >price of oil must rise to levels 
far beyond we know today are my reasonfor> >directing our 
attention to the book.  It really does come down to 
amassive> >population growing exponentially and an economic 
model promoted by the USA.> >  Bottom line is, we're 
screwed, at least as far as the world as we've> >known it run on 
oil is concerned.  Maybe all the JTF List could put our> 

Re: [Biofuel] Major Problems Of Surviving Peak Oil

[Zeke Yewdall]

At 9,300 feet elevation, I have little to worry about with regards to rising sea levels.    But, the climate is already getting pretty wacky.  I was talking to someone who's lived there for over 30 years, and he's seen the weather noticeably chance since then.   The treeline is moving both up from the bottom due to hotter summers and drought, and down from the top due to colder winters, less snow to protect the trees, and wind.   Permanent snowfields that used to be 200 foot thick along the divide around the turn of the century are almost gone now.   We just got 22 inches of snow at my house wednesday night, which is "normal" for around 1900 or so, but for the last 80 years or so, it's been quite a bit less snow than the previous few hundred years.   Alot of our infrastructure was built in the period of less snow, so it doesn't cope with the snow that well.   If we actually get a "normal" winter, it's going to be hard.  But if we continue in the direction of the last 80 years, water, both for cities, and for agriculture, is going to get pretty scarce here in Colorado.
On 10/25/06, Bob Molloy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hi Terry,The projected rise in sea levels is about five metres (justover 16 feet) in the next 100 years. That gives us plenty of time to pick upour beach umbrellas and move back a few feet. Over 90 per cent of our
population lives with a half-hour drive of the sea so the issue is one ofgreat interest here. In my case it will bring the nearest tidal water(currently 300 yards away) to within a hundred yards of my front lawn and
maybe take out a few of my grape vines.It's a worry I tell you.Regards,Bob.- Original Message -From: "Terry Dyck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>To: Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 8:48 AMSubject: Re: [Biofuel] Major Problems Of Surviving Peak Oil
> Hi Bob,>> New Zealand must be the perfect place to live.  You have won awards for> environmental projects and you are planting seeds to grow diesel trees.> Congratulations.  Those beaches you mentioned could be in trouble, though,
> when the sea rises.>> Terry Dyck>>> >From: "Bob Molloy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> >Reply-To: 
biofuel@sustainablelists.org> >To: > >Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Major Problems Of Surviving Peak Oil> >Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 11:48:43 +1300
> >> >Jeez Mike,> >No, definitely not New Zealand, we've limited our> >population to four million and we only have an area just a little larger> >than the British Isles. Besides we've got an anti-nuclear policy and live
> >under an ozone hole for much of the summer. Anyway we've got too muchwater> >and forest and mountains and stuff, the South Pole is just over the> >horizon, we've got all these beaches that nobody uses, deer and horses
and> >pig that run wild, eels in every stream, fish coming out of our ears and> >sheep everywhere. You'd hate it.> >Trust me,> >Bob.> >   - Original Message -
> >   From: M&K DuPree> >   To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org> >   Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 1:07 AM> >   Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Major Problems Of Surviving Peak Oil
> >> >> >   See Stephen Leeb's The Coming Economic Collapse: How You Can ThriveWhen> >Oil Costs $200 a Barrel.  Leeb would have us buying stocks in various> >companies because that's his business.  The points he makes about why the
> >price of oil must rise to levels far beyond we know today are my reasonfor> >directing our attention to the book.  It really does come down to amassive> >population growing exponentially and an economic model promoted by the
USA.> >  Bottom line is, we're screwed, at least as far as the world as we've> >known it run on oil is concerned.  Maybe all the JTF List could put our> >money, talents, and lives together on some remote island or somewhere in
> >New Zealand and start something that might survive through the comingchaos> >and become a beacon of hope to the world.  Use the JTF Credo as our basis> >for community life.  I'm serious!  What, aint gonna happen???  Ah well,
to> >unquote something the bard didn't say, all's not well that doesn't end> >well.  Ah well... Mike DuPree> >___Biofuel mailing list
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Re: [Biofuel] Biodiesel Hybrids

[Zeke Yewdall]

Beat me to it...  I was going to mention citroen and pugeot were working on them.    Diesel's are seen as bad for the environment here in the US, whereas hybrids are seen as good, so there is not desire to mix them for most people   Remember that we (as a regulatory environment) don't see CO2 as a pollutant, so the high mileage ability of diesels doesn't win them a whole lot of favor it seems, and with the lousy diesel we have here (at least till next year), they are a bit higher pollution in things like NOX, particulates, etc.   Of course if you use biodiesel, it all changes, but most of the public still doesn't even know the difference between biodiesel and WVO
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Re: [Biofuel] Closed-Mindedness(WasHypnosisasAnesthesiaWasTestimonials asEvidence)

[bob allen]

Sorry but I have to jump in here with the mention of homeopathy.  This 
is the silliest most counter-intuitive medical mubo-jumbo on the 
planet.  there is zero valid support for the idea that something which 
causes a symptom at high doses (what ever that means) is cured by 
something at extremely low doses.  And I mean extreme.  Substances are 
diluted to 10 to the 120th power and more.  At this concentration there 
is nothing left at all.   A little critical thinking goes a long way here. 

There may be some herbs out there for which there is credible evidence 
for efficacy, but as far as homeopathy goes-  it is nonsense.  

Marylynn Schmidt wrote:
> Just my thoughts on the matter of bone (or anything) re-growth ..
>
> We are a whole and the whole must be treated so going to a dentist for bone 
> re-growth and/or gum tissue re-growth is as much of a separation of self as 
> seeing the heart specialist for heart problems, the dermatologist for skin 
> problems, etc
>
> Your mouth, gums, jaw bone, teeth are still a part of the whole .. nothing 
> is going to exist in isolation inside the human physical body.
>
> Do you know a good herbalist?  I'm thinking something missing .. but if you 
> have some level of toxic substance as a core problem (don't we all), then 
> homeopathy could be the road.
>
> Mary Lynn
> Rev. Mary Lynn Schmidt, Ordained Minister
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> Shamanic Spiritual Travel . Behavior Problems . Psionic Energy Practitioner 
> . Radionics . Herbs . Dowsing . Nutrition . Homeopathy . Polarity .
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>
>
>
>   
>> From: "D. Mindock" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
>> To: 
>> Subject: Re: 
>> [Biofuel]Closed-Mindedness(WasHypnosisasAnesthesiaWasTestimonials 
>> asEvidence)
>> Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 09:48:58 -0500
>>
>> Hi Mike,
>>Yep, Linus Pauling was a true truth seeker, a beautiful human being.
>>I've been doing a bit of research on periodontal disease. It seems that
>> there is alot going on that my dentist doesn't know about. He just wants to
>> pull teeth and put in partial plates. But there are dentists who can stop 
>> the
>> disease and get bone and gums to regrow. So I will try to hook up with one
>> and see if he can do something to save a couple teeth. I've talked with a 
>> friend
>> who has partials and he hates them.
>> I agree that flu shots are a bad idea. My wife doesn't get them even 
>> if they're
>> free. Her company brought in a couple nurses and offered all employees free 
>> flu
>> shots. She passed. She says she feels uncomfortable for a few days after 
>> getting the shot
>> doesn't like the feeling. You just don't know what's in there besides the 
>> crippled virus.
>> She and I work at keeping ourselves as healthy as possible and don't take 
>> our health
>> for granted.
>> Yep, being ornery does help. The mind-body connection is very real. 
>> The mind controls
>> your health to a large degree. Being stubbornly optimistic or happy is a 
>> good way to keep the sick
>> bugs at bay.
>> Peace and joy, D. Mindock
>>   - Original Message -
>>   From: M&K DuPree
>>   To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
>>   Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 6:09 PM
>>   Subject: Re: 
>> [Biofuel]Closed-Mindedness(WasHypnosisasAnesthesiaWasTestimonials 
>> asEvidence)
>>
>>
>>   Hi D...good idea collecting the water thru the Pur first then 
>> distilling.  Muy excellente!!!
>>Linus Pauling...a true hero.
>>Man, sorry to hear about the periodontal stuff.  But glad you have 
>> a remedy.
>>The colloidal silver I keep hearing about, but haven't tried.  Just 
>> haven't felt the need.  The wife and I don't do the flu shot stuff, but 
>> with whatever else we're doing, the years keep rolling by so far without 
>> any viral problems.  Maybe being a bit ornery helps.
>>Mike
>> - Original Message -
>> From: D. Mindock
>> To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 10:41 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Biofuel] 
>> Closed-Mindedness(WasHypnosisasAnesthesiaWasTestimonials as Evidence)
>>
>>
>> Hi Mike,
>>Yeah, my distiller has that drip thingy too. But I don't trust it 
>> very much. It is just
>> too small and the water merely flows over a the carbon granules. So I 
>> use a faucet
>> mounted carbon block filter. It is a Pur but Brita and some others 
>> make them too.
>> I collect that filtered water and then distill it.
>>I am familiar with Bronson. I think that is the company that Linus 
>> Pauling used as
>> his source for vitamin C.
>>Ok about the vit & min supplement. You got your bases covered. I 
>> take the same
>> stuff, basically. Because I have periodontal disease, I also take 
>> grapefruit seed extract, o

Re: [Biofuel] Closed-Mindedness(WasHypnosisasAnesthesiaWasTestimonials asEvidence)

[Marylynn Schmidt]

Just my thoughts on the matter of bone (or anything) re-growth ..

We are a whole and the whole must be treated so going to a dentist for bone 
re-growth and/or gum tissue re-growth is as much of a separation of self as 
seeing the heart specialist for heart problems, the dermatologist for skin 
problems, etc

Your mouth, gums, jaw bone, teeth are still a part of the whole .. nothing 
is going to exist in isolation inside the human physical body.

Do you know a good herbalist?  I'm thinking something missing .. but if you 
have some level of toxic substance as a core problem (don't we all), then 
homeopathy could be the road.

Mary Lynn
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>From: "D. Mindock" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
>To: 
>Subject: Re: 
>[Biofuel]Closed-Mindedness(WasHypnosisasAnesthesiaWasTestimonials 
>asEvidence)
>Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 09:48:58 -0500
>
>Hi Mike,
>Yep, Linus Pauling was a true truth seeker, a beautiful human being.
>I've been doing a bit of research on periodontal disease. It seems that
>there is alot going on that my dentist doesn't know about. He just wants to
>pull teeth and put in partial plates. But there are dentists who can stop 
>the
>disease and get bone and gums to regrow. So I will try to hook up with one
>and see if he can do something to save a couple teeth. I've talked with a 
>friend
>who has partials and he hates them.
> I agree that flu shots are a bad idea. My wife doesn't get them even 
>if they're
>free. Her company brought in a couple nurses and offered all employees free 
>flu
>shots. She passed. She says she feels uncomfortable for a few days after 
>getting the shot
>doesn't like the feeling. You just don't know what's in there besides the 
>crippled virus.
>She and I work at keeping ourselves as healthy as possible and don't take 
>our health
>for granted.
> Yep, being ornery does help. The mind-body connection is very real. 
>The mind controls
>your health to a large degree. Being stubbornly optimistic or happy is a 
>good way to keep the sick
>bugs at bay.
>Peace and joy, D. Mindock
>   - Original Message -
>   From: M&K DuPree
>   To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
>   Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 6:09 PM
>   Subject: Re: 
>[Biofuel]Closed-Mindedness(WasHypnosisasAnesthesiaWasTestimonials 
>asEvidence)
>
>
>   Hi D...good idea collecting the water thru the Pur first then 
>distilling.  Muy excellente!!!
>Linus Pauling...a true hero.
>Man, sorry to hear about the periodontal stuff.  But glad you have 
>a remedy.
>The colloidal silver I keep hearing about, but haven't tried.  Just 
>haven't felt the need.  The wife and I don't do the flu shot stuff, but 
>with whatever else we're doing, the years keep rolling by so far without 
>any viral problems.  Maybe being a bit ornery helps.
>Mike
> - Original Message -
> From: D. Mindock
> To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
> Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 10:41 AM
> Subject: Re: [Biofuel] 
>Closed-Mindedness(WasHypnosisasAnesthesiaWasTestimonials as Evidence)
>
>
> Hi Mike,
>Yeah, my distiller has that drip thingy too. But I don't trust it 
>very much. It is just
> too small and the water merely flows over a the carbon granules. So I 
>use a faucet
> mounted carbon block filter. It is a Pur but Brita and some others 
>make them too.
> I collect that filtered water and then distill it.
>I am familiar with Bronson. I think that is the company that Linus 
>Pauling used as
> his source for vitamin C.
>Ok about the vit & min supplement. You got your bases covered. I 
>take the same
> stuff, basically. Because I have periodontal disease, I also take 
>grapefruit seed extract, olive leaf extract,
> and MSM. If I layoff taking these, I get a bloody toothbrush that 
>reminds me that I need
> to stay with the program. Oh, and I do take colloidal silver too.
> Peace & light, D. Mindock
>
>   - Original Message -
>   From: M&K DuPree
>   To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
>   Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 1:37 PM
>   Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Closed-Mindedness 
>(WasHypnosisasAnesthesiaWasTestimonials as Evidence)
>
>
>   Hi D...regarding removing the gases, the distiller I use finishes 
>the process by dripping the water through a carbon filter.  Is this what 
>you're talking about?
>Regarding the mineral replacement, I take a vitamin and mineral 
>supplement from a company called Bronson.  They call it "Insurance 
>Formula."  It is a formulation bas

[Biofuel] Fw: This is very scary, don't let it happen to you. Warning: Center of Disease Control, Atlanta, GA

[M&K DuPree]

I suppose this could spread to any House 
and either side of the aisle, so be careful you pay attention to who might be 
the real carrier of the disease.  Mike DuPree
 
- Original Message - 
From: "thomas dupree" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Mike&Kathy DuPree" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, October 27, 2006 11:40 
AM
Subject: Fw: This is very scary, don't 
let it happen to you. Warning: Center of Disease Control, Atlanta, 
GA
> The Center for Disease Control has issued a 
warning about a virulent new > strain of Sexually Transmitted Disease. 
The disease is contracted through > dangerous and high-risk behavior. The 
disease is called Gonorrhea Lectim and > is pronounced "gonna re-elect 
him." Many victims contracted it in 2004, > after having been screwed for 
four years. Cognitive characteristics of > individuals infected include: 
anti-social personality disorders, delusions > of grandeur with messianic 
overtones, extreme cognitive dissonance, > inability to  incorporate 
new information, pronounced xenophobia and > paranoia, inability to 
accept responsibility for one's own actions, > cowardice  masked by 
misplaced bravado, uncontrolled facial smirking, > ignorance of geography 
and history, tendencies towards evangelical > theocracy,  and 
categorical all-or-nothing behavior.> > This destructive disease 
originated only a few years ago from a bush  found > in 
Texas.> >
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Re: [Biofuel] Answer to Energy Crisis? Waste Not, Want Not

[Paul S Cantrell]

Hi Ken,On 10/26/06, Ken Riznyk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I try not to waste, but I still want.I'm not that enamored with compact fluorescents.  I've had a half-dozen of them burnout in less than a year even though they are supposed to last five years. They are not as bright as they claim. The information on the package will say "equivalent to 100 watt incandescent bulb." That's a laugh. On top of that, like all fluorescents they gradually get dimmer with age.
What kind are you buying?  There are very cheap, crappy ones and then there are Sylvania and Philips.  I have never had one burn out in my house...I  still have the first CFL I bought in the late 90's out in the porch fixture.  It's not great, but the new ones are really improved.  How often do you flip them on and off?  For lights that get flipped a LOT, CFL's are not always the best bet.  They take 5-10 minutes to reach full lumen output.  You do have to look at the lumen output of the lamp against your desired light level.  
Also, CFL's are more sensitive to quality power source.  Brownout and voltage flicker can cause the ballasts to burn out prematurely.  You can check it with a standard voltage meter at the light sockets or plugs.
My low flow shower head disperses the water so much that by the time it reaches my body it is cool, so I have to crank up the hot water. I don't know if I'm saving very much. I've added insulation to my attic but didn't notice any change in my electric bill.
Showerheads involve so much personal preference, that it is hard to get general acceptance of low-flow showerheads.  The best strategy I've heard is to take note of the ones in hotel rooms, and when you find one you like, write down the type and go buy it.
There are attic insulation calculators here:http://www.martindalecenter.com/Calculators1A_5_Co_FJ.html#HOMER-THERMAL
Lots of variables there... - Original Message From: Keith Addison <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 9:55:13 AMSubject: [Biofuel] Answer to Energy Crisis? Waste Not, Want Not
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines06/1023-05.htmPublished on Monday, October 23, 2006 by Inter Press ServiceAnswer to Energy Crisis? Waste Not, Want Not
by Stephen LeahySoaring worldwide demand for energy is driving climate-alteringgreenhouse gas emissions dangerously higher, and even as investmentsgrow in new "clean" energy sources, existing technologies to reduce
energy use are being neglected.Energy remains crucial to economic development in a world where over1.6 billion people have no access to electricity. While the media andgovernment focus has been on greener and cleaner ways to generate
power through renewable sources like biofuels, wind, solar andhydrogen, experts say that major improvements in energy efficiencycould dramatically reduce emissions of greenhouse gases, save moneyand provide the breathing space needed to improve and develop new
energy sources.Scientists estimate that to avoid dangerous climate change (generallyviewed as a two-degree rise in global temperatures), world greenhousegas emissions need to be reduced by about 60 percent from today's
levels by 2050.At the same time, world energy demand is projected to increase byover 50 percent between now and 2030, and that will raiseenergy-related carbon dioxide emissions 52 percent higher than they
are today, reported the International Energy Agency (IEA) in its 2005World Energy Outlook, considered the definitive report on globalenergy.That energy path is unsustainable, warns the IEA, which is calling
for major changes."The need to dramatically reduce greenhouse gas emissions means adrastic overhaul of how we produce energy," said Christopher Flavin,president of the Worldwatch Institute, a 
U.S. environmental group."We are facing the biggest economic transformation since theIndustrial Revolution," Flavin told IPS.Few people have been able to get their heads around the scope and
breadth of the changes, he said.Alternative ways of generating energy with little or no carbonemissions, improvements in energy efficiency and using less energyoverall will all be needed on a massive scale. That is beginning to
happen in terms of wind, solar and biofuel energy, which are growingat double-digit rates and now generate close to 10 percent of theworld's energy, said Flavin.However, energy efficiency in North America and elsewhere has been on
the back burner since the oil crisis of the 1970s.The European Union is an exception, where even centuries-oldapartment buildings are lit by low-energy compact fluorescentsequipped with motion detectors or timers so they only turn on when
needed. By contrast, lights are on 24 hours in hallways and stairwaysas well as offices and stores across North America.This fall, EU countries, already twice as energy efficient as theU.S. or Canada, announced an action plan to reduce their energy needs
by another 20 percent by 2020."It is easier and cheaper to improve energy efficiency th

[Biofuel] B20 HHO Blend Now Available

[Thomas Kelly]

Good Day to All,
 Last February I was 
bumping my home heating oil up from B30 to B100.
At about B50 I began to have some start-up 
problems. I called my local Home Heating Oil supplier and talked to the service 
dept. looking for advice. The man told me to bring the "gun" (part of the burner 
assembly) to the shop for him to look at. He gave it the once over and announced 
"You have a bad nozzle". I told him I had just changed it. He gave me a new 
nozzle and told me "If it works you owe me $5, if not give a call I'll stop by 
your house on my way home. We'll get the furnace up and running." I had never 
met the man before, and thanked him for his help. With the new nozzle, the 
burner fired fine at B50, but over the next few days, I couldn't get it to run 
reliably at B100.
 The next week the service 
department "trouble shooter" payed me a visit.
He taught me how to make adjustments on the pump 
and burner. He was there for over 2 hours, got the burner running on B100, and I 
didn't get charged a dime! While he was there I asked him why a company 
that makes money selling heating oil is going to such effort to help me, when my 
goal is to stop buying heating oil from them. His reply: "We don't give a shit 
what you burn, or who you buy it from.      That man you 
talked to the other day is (Name), the owner of the company, and a pretty decent 
furnace man. I'm on my way over to (name) farm. He has a new furnace going that 
burns corn."
 I had an opportunity to 
talk to the owner of the company and thanked him for his help. When I asked if 
he had plans to sell BD blends he said he couldn't find a 
supplier.
 I just had a conversation 
with the service representative. He came out to my house to fix a problem (air 
in the line) in my baseboard heating. He wanted to see my biodiesel setup. It 
turns out they are now offering a B20 blend for home heating. As far as he knew, 
they are the only retailer in the county  .  Dutchess County 
...  about 90 miles north of New York City.
While here, he also showed me how to purge air 
from the lines. "If you can make your own biodiesel, and do the furnace 
adjustments to run it, you should be able to deal with some air in the lines as 
well."
 Biodiesel has finally made 
it to my small rural community. Now in our furnaces, next at the 
pump.
   
My Best to All,
    
Tom
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[Biofuel] Phosphoric acid

[Bobby Clark]

I know now I can use phosphoric acid to separate out a crude glycerine 
product. Where can I get phosphoric acid?

Also, for those who do the two stage acid/base process, where can I get 
sulfuric acid? Down the road, I want to switch to this process, but I will 
have to make a new processor, the sulfuric acid would probably eat the 
plumbing in my current processor.

Thanks for all of your help!
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Re: [Biofuel] Closed-Mindedness(WasHypnosisasAnesthesiaWasTestimonials asEvidence)

[D. Mindock]

Hi Mike,
   Yep, Linus Pauling was a 
true truth seeker, a beautiful human being.
   I've been doing a bit of 
research on periodontal disease. It seems that
there is alot going on that my dentist 
doesn't know about. He just wants to
pull teeth and put in partial plates. But 
there are dentists who can stop the
disease and get bone and gums to regrow. 
So I will try to hook up with one
and see if he can do something to save a 
couple teeth. I've talked with a friend
who has partials and he hates 
them.
    I agree that flu shots 
are a bad idea. My wife doesn't get them even if they're
free. Her company brought in a couple 
nurses and offered all employees free flu
shots. She passed. She says she 
feels uncomfortable for a few days after getting the shot
doesn't like the feeling. You just don't 
know what's in there besides the crippled virus.
She and I work at keeping ourselves as 
healthy as possible and don't take our health
for granted. 
    Yep, being ornery does 
help. The mind-body connection is very real. The mind controls
your health to a large degree. Being 
stubbornly optimistic or happy is a good way to keep the sick
bugs at bay.
Peace and joy, D. Mindock

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  M&K 
  DuPree 
  To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org 
  
  Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 6:09 
  PM
  Subject: Re: 
  [Biofuel]Closed-Mindedness(WasHypnosisasAnesthesiaWasTestimonials 
  asEvidence)
  
  Hi D...good idea 
  collecting the water thru the Pur first then distilling.  Muy 
  excellente!!!
   
  Linus Pauling...a true hero.
   
  Man, sorry to hear about the periodontal stuff.  But glad you have a 
  remedy.
   
  The colloidal silver I keep hearing about, but haven't tried.  Just 
  haven't felt the need.  The wife and I don't do the flu shot 
  stuff, but with whatever else we're doing, the years keep rolling 
  by so far without any viral problems.  Maybe being a bit ornery 
  helps. 
   
  Mike 
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
D. 
Mindock 
To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org 

Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 10:41 
AM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] 
Closed-Mindedness(WasHypnosisasAnesthesiaWasTestimonials as Evidence)

Hi Mike,
   Yeah, my distiller has 
that drip thingy too. But I don't trust it very much. It is 
just
too small and the water merely flows 
over a the carbon granules. So I use a faucet
mounted carbon block filter. It is a 
Pur but Brita and some others make them too. 
I collect that filtered water and 
then distill it.
   I am familiar with 
Bronson. I think that is the company that Linus Pauling used as
his source for vitamin 
C.
   Ok about the vit & 
min supplement. You got your bases covered. I take the same
stuff, basically. Because 
I have periodontal disease, 
I also take grapefruit seed extract, olive leaf extract,
and MSM. If I layoff taking these, I 
get a bloody toothbrush that reminds me that I need
to stay with the program. Oh, and I 
do take colloidal silver too. 
Peace & light, D. 
Mindock
 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  M&K 
  DuPree 
  To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org 
  
  Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 1:37 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [Biofuel] 
  Closed-Mindedness (WasHypnosisasAnesthesiaWasTestimonials as 
  Evidence)
  
  Hi D...regarding 
  removing the gases, the distiller I use finishes the process by dripping 
  the water through a carbon filter.  Is this what you're talking 
  about?  
   Regarding the mineral replacement, I 
  take a vitamin and mineral supplement from a company called 
  Bronson.  They call it "Insurance Formula."  It is a formulation 
  based on a book written by a Dr. Roger J. Williams, The 
  Wonderful World Within You (Bantam, 1977) (How's that for 
  documentation, Bob?) It's been ages since I've read the book, so 
  can't tell you a damn thing about it.  We buy direct from 
  Bronson, not a multilevel deal or anything.  Prices seem real good, 
  so have never considered anything else.  
   Mike DuPree
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
D. 
Mindock 
To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org 

Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 
1:58 AM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] 
Closed-Mindedness (Was HypnosisasAnesthesiaWasTestimonials as 
Evidence)

Hi 
Mike,
    Yep, 
homogenization breaks the particles down to such a small size that 
they
can pass through the gut into the 
body cavity where they put a burden on the immune 
system. Pastuerization adds to 
the problem by destroying the "life force" of the
milk, the enzymes. Of course the 
milk has to be from a healthy animal tha

Re: [Biofuel] Biodiesel Hybrids

[Frantz DESPREZ]

Citroën C4 hybrid HDI and Peugeot 307 CC hybrid HDI :

http://www.citroen.com/CWW/en-US/TECHNOLOGIES/ENVIRONMENT/C4HYBRIDE/

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Re: [Biofuel] Bio-Diesel Slogan any thoughts

[Paul S Cantrell]

Biodiesel, just like dinodiesel minus 265 million years.On 10/27/06, Logan vilas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Bio-Diesel, Runs more like petro-Diesel.Just Without belching out black smoke and without the chemical smell.
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Re: [Biofuel] Biodiesel Hybrids

[Keith Addison]

>Does anyone know of a hybrid that runs on diesel? Is this a totally 
>impractical consideration?

 From "Do diesels have a future?"
http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_future.html

It's An ENIGMA, EV World, March 3, 2002 -- Who said you can't build a 
parallel hybrid with 20 miles ZEV range? Not the team at San Diego 
State University. A remarkable story of ingenuity, vision and 
determination that lead to the creation of San Diego State 
University's 80 mpg Enigma diesel-electric hybrid sports car, running 
on biodiesel.
http://evworld.com/databases/storybuilder.cfm?storyid=312
San Diego State University College of Engineering Hybrid Electric Vehicle Team:
http://www.engineering.sdsu.edu/~hev/text.html

Best

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[Biofuel] Bio-Diesel Slogan any thoughts

[Logan vilas]

Bio-Diesel, Runs more like petro-Diesel.
Just Without belching out black smoke and without the chemical smell.

Logan Vilas


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[Biofuel] America: Freedom to Fascism

[D. Mindock]

The full length director's cut, 
authorized by its creator, Aaron Russo.
Please pass this on.  Peace, D. 
Mindock
 
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[Biofuel] Cummins bio-diesel question

[Jim]

How well do the Cummins engines used by Dodge work with bio-diesel & WVO? Also, any word from Europe on how the smaller Dodge diesels used over there are running on it?
 
Jim
 
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Re: [Biofuel] Answer to Energy Crisis? Waste Not, Want Not

[Mike Weaver]

More.

M&K DuPree wrote:

> Ahhh, Cricket, you have hit your finger on the nail with your 
> head...stop wanting and you will not waste.  Rufus
>  
> - Original Message -
> From: "Ken Riznyk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >
> To: mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.org>>
> Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 10:50 PM
> Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Answer to Energy Crisis? Waste Not, Want Not
>
> >I try not to waste, but I still want.
> > I'm not that enamored with compact fluorescents.  I've had a 
> half-dozen of them burnout in less than a year even though they are 
> supposed to last five years. They are not as bright as they claim. The 
> information on the package will say "equivalent to 100 watt 
> incandescent bulb." That's a laugh. On top of that, like all 
> fluorescents they gradually get dimmer with age.
> > My low flow shower head disperses the water so much that by the time 
> it reaches my body it is cool, so I have to crank up the hot water. I 
> don't know if I'm saving very much. I've added insulation to my attic 
> but didn't notice any change in my electric bill.
> >
> >
> > - Original Message 
> > From: Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> >
> > To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org 
> > Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 9:55:13 AM
> > Subject: [Biofuel] Answer to Energy Crisis? Waste Not, Want Not
> >
> > http://www.commondreams.org/headlines06/1023-05.htm
> > Published on Monday, October 23, 2006 by Inter Press Service
> >
> > Answer to Energy Crisis? Waste Not, Want Not
> >
> > by Stephen Leahy
> >
> > Soaring worldwide demand for energy is driving climate-altering
> > greenhouse gas emissions dangerously higher, and even as investments
> > grow in new "clean" energy sources, existing technologies to reduce
> > energy use are being neglected.
> >
> > Energy remains crucial to economic development in a world where over
> > 1.6 billion people have no access to electricity. While the media and
> > government focus has been on greener and cleaner ways to generate
> > power through renewable sources like biofuels, wind, solar and
> > hydrogen, experts say that major improvements in energy efficiency
> > could dramatically reduce emissions of greenhouse gases, save money
> > and provide the breathing space needed to improve and develop new
> > energy sources.
> >
> > Scientists estimate that to avoid dangerous climate change (generally
> > viewed as a two-degree rise in global temperatures), world greenhouse
> > gas emissions need to be reduced by about 60 percent from today's
> > levels by 2050.
> >
> > At the same time, world energy demand is projected to increase by
> > over 50 percent between now and 2030, and that will raise
> > energy-related carbon dioxide emissions 52 percent higher than they
> > are today, reported the International Energy Agency (IEA) in its 2005
> > World Energy Outlook, considered the definitive report on global
> > energy.
> >
> > That energy path is unsustainable, warns the IEA, which is calling
> > for major changes.
> >
> > "The need to dramatically reduce greenhouse gas emissions means a
> > drastic overhaul of how we produce energy," said Christopher Flavin,
> > president of the Worldwatch Institute, a U.S. environmental group.
> >
> > "We are facing the biggest economic transformation since the
> > Industrial Revolution," Flavin told IPS.
> >
> > Few people have been able to get their heads around the scope and
> > breadth of the changes, he said.
> >
> > Alternative ways of generating energy with little or no carbon
> > emissions, improvements in energy efficiency and using less energy
> > overall will all be needed on a massive scale. That is beginning to
> > happen in terms of wind, solar and biofuel energy, which are growing
> > at double-digit rates and now generate close to 10 percent of the
> > world's energy, said Flavin.
> >
> > However, energy efficiency in North America and elsewhere has been on
> > the back burner since the oil crisis of the 1970s.
> >
> > The European Union is an exception, where even centuries-old
> > apartment buildings are lit by low-energy compact fluorescents
> > equipped with motion detectors or timers so they only turn on when
> > needed. By contrast, lights are on 24 hours in hallways and stairways
> > as well as offices and stores across North America.
> >
> > This fall, EU countries, already twice as energy efficient as the
> > U.S. or Canada, announced an action plan to reduce their energy needs
> > by another 20 percent by 2020.
> >
> > "It is easier and cheaper to improve energy efficiency than produce
> > more energy," said Nathan Glasgow, a senior consultant at the
> > Colorado-based Rocky Mountain Institute.
> >
> > The opportunities to improve energy efficiency are nearly endless,
> > Glasgow said in an interview.
> >
> > The Rocky Mountain Institute (RMI), headed by energy efficiency guru
> > Amory Lovins, has designed programs for la

Re: [Biofuel] Answer to Energy Crisis? Waste Not, Want Not

[M&K DuPree]

Ahhh, Cricket, you have hit your finger 
on the nail with your head...stop wanting and you will not waste.  
Rufus
 
- Original Message - 
From: "Ken Riznyk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 10:50 
PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Answer to Energy 
Crisis? Waste Not, Want Not
>I try not to waste, but I still want.> 
I'm not that enamored with compact fluorescents.  I've had a half-dozen of 
them burnout in less than a year even though they are supposed to last five 
years. They are not as bright as they claim. The information on the package will 
say "equivalent to 100 watt incandescent bulb." That's a laugh. On top of that, 
like all fluorescents they gradually get dimmer with age. > My low flow 
shower head disperses the water so much that by the time it reaches my body it 
is cool, so I have to crank up the hot water. I don't know if I'm saving very 
much. I've added insulation to my attic but didn't notice any change in my 
electric bill.> > > - Original Message > 
From: Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org> Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 9:55:13 AM> Subject: 
[Biofuel] Answer to Energy Crisis? Waste Not, Want Not> > 
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines06/1023-05.htm> Published on Monday, October 23, 2006 by Inter 
Press Service> > Answer to Energy Crisis? Waste Not, Want 
Not> > by Stephen Leahy> > Soaring worldwide demand 
for energy is driving climate-altering > greenhouse gas emissions 
dangerously higher, and even as investments > grow in new "clean" energy 
sources, existing technologies to reduce > energy use are being 
neglected.> > Energy remains crucial to economic development in a 
world where over > 1.6 billion people have no access to electricity. 
While the media and > government focus has been on greener and cleaner 
ways to generate > power through renewable sources like biofuels, wind, 
solar and > hydrogen, experts say that major improvements in energy 
efficiency > could dramatically reduce emissions of greenhouse gases, 
save money > and provide the breathing space needed to improve and 
develop new > energy sources.> > Scientists estimate that 
to avoid dangerous climate change (generally > viewed as a two-degree 
rise in global temperatures), world greenhouse > gas emissions need to be 
reduced by about 60 percent from today's > levels by 2050.> 
> At the same time, world energy demand is projected to increase by 
> over 50 percent between now and 2030, and that will raise > 
energy-related carbon dioxide emissions 52 percent higher than they > are 
today, reported the International Energy Agency (IEA) in its 2005 > World 
Energy Outlook, considered the definitive report on global > 
energy.> > That energy path is unsustainable, warns the IEA, which 
is calling > for major changes.> > "The need to 
dramatically reduce greenhouse gas emissions means a > drastic overhaul 
of how we produce energy," said Christopher Flavin, > president of the 
Worldwatch Institute, a U.S. environmental group.> > "We are 
facing the biggest economic transformation since the > Industrial 
Revolution," Flavin told IPS.> > Few people have been able to get 
their heads around the scope and > breadth of the changes, he 
said.> > Alternative ways of generating energy with little or no 
carbon > emissions, improvements in energy efficiency and using less 
energy > overall will all be needed on a massive scale. That is beginning 
to > happen in terms of wind, solar and biofuel energy, which are growing 
> at double-digit rates and now generate close to 10 percent of the 
> world's energy, said Flavin.> > However, energy 
efficiency in North America and elsewhere has been on > the back burner 
since the oil crisis of the 1970s.> > The European Union is an 
exception, where even centuries-old > apartment buildings are lit by 
low-energy compact fluorescents > equipped with motion detectors or 
timers so they only turn on when > needed. By contrast, lights are on 24 
hours in hallways and stairways > as well as offices and stores across 
North America.> > This fall, EU countries, already twice as energy 
efficient as the > U.S. or Canada, announced an action plan to reduce 
their energy needs > by another 20 percent by 2020.> > "It 
is easier and cheaper to improve energy efficiency than produce > more 
energy," said Nathan Glasgow, a senior consultant at the > Colorado-based 
Rocky Mountain Institute.> > The opportunities to improve energy 
efficiency are nearly endless, > Glasgow said in an interview.> 
> The Rocky Mountain Institute (RMI), headed by energy efficiency guru 
> Amory Lovins, has designed programs for large and small companies 
> that have dramatically reduced energy use and saved billions of 
> dollars.> > Converting coal at a U.S. power plant into 
energy that lights an > incandescent light bulb is only three percent 
efficient, RMI research > shows. Coal plants waste 70 percent of the 
energy