Re: [Biofuel] Fw: Allah or Jesus?

[Alon]

 Dear group
And strong believers,
to my humble point of view, the most amusing approach to resolve, the conflict 
between the two large religions the hopefull christianity, and rather extreme 
Islam, also, to gain some more serene approach towards life here - 
one must refer to the sorce of these religions, or at list two steps back in 
the riligion dynasty, to the hebrew bibel - or king james version any way..

and I quote from the book of genesis: (2:15) "And the LORD God took the man, 
and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it.

now am I dreaming?!  - or is this a kind of a biblical way of saying that 
man is here mainly to 'dress gods salat?'

- before criticising me for this most imaginative perspective, bear in mind 
pleas, that untill after the flood when noah came out of his ark, man was 
forbidden to eat meat and solely fed on the 'froot and grass of the earth' - 
also bear in mined, that there is a lot of description of vegeterian food 
sources that where in the garden of Eden as well.

So in conclusion - I can say surely,  that a man,  how take his role, in this 
world, to heavily, may ponder upon this verse, and gain a rather, more, sound 
perspective, on existentialism.
yours,
Alon. 
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[Biofuel] Methanol Price Increase?

[Thomas Kelly]

Hello All,
 Did I miss the news?
 Has there been a significant increase in the price of methanol recently?

 I just got the bill for a delivery (two  55gal barrels). Previous price ( 
July): $2.60 USD/gallon; current bill: $3.54 USD/ gallon    35% increase in 
a few months?
 I'll call my supplier in a little while ...  maybe it's just a billing 
mistake. I am just hoping someone has some info.  

   Thanks,
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Re: [Biofuel] Methanol Price Increase?

[Andres Secco]

Think methanol price is strongly dependant of natural gas price which is linked 
to fuel prices.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Thomas Kelly 
  To: biofuel 
  Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 10:14 AM
  Subject: [Biofuel] Methanol Price Increase?


  Hello All,
   Did I miss the news?
   Has there been a significant increase in the price of methanol recently?
  
   I just got the bill for a delivery (two  55gal barrels). Previous price 
( July): $2.60 USD/gallon; current bill: $3.54 USD/ gallon    35% increase 
in a few months?
   I'll call my supplier in a little while ...  maybe it's just a billing 
mistake. I am just hoping someone has some info.  

 Thanks,
   Tom


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Re: [Biofuel] Methanol Price Increase?

[Logan vilas]

My price went from 2.02 a gallon last month to 3.08 a gallon this month

Logan Vilas

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Think methanol price is strongly dependant of natural gas price which is
linked to fuel prices.

- Original Message - 
From: Thomas Kelly   
To: biofuel   
Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 10:14 AM
Subject: [Biofuel] Methanol Price Increase?

Hello All,
 Did I miss the news?
 Has there been a significant increase in the price of methanol
recently?

 I just got the bill for a delivery (two  55gal barrels).
Previous price ( July): $2.60 USD/gallon; current bill: $3.54 USD/ gallon
  35% increase in a few months?
 I'll call my supplier in a little while ...  maybe it's just a
billing mistake. I am just hoping someone has some info.  
 
   Thanks,
 Tom







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Re: [Biofuel] Methanol Price Increase?

[Thomas Kelly]

 I just got off the phone with my methanol supplier. They are in Albany, NY 
(Northeastern US). They have been very nice people to work with    
friendly/helpful. I was told that they had a 35% price increase  from their 
supplier, and passed it along. Is this a world-wide phenomenon or just a 
local/regional thing?
 Have I been asleep at the wheel? I hadn't heard of any drastic increases 
in the price of methanol.
Tom
- Original Message - 
  From: Thomas Kelly 
  To: biofuel 
  Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 8:14 AM
  Subject: [Biofuel] Methanol Price Increase?


  Hello All,
   Did I miss the news?
   Has there been a significant increase in the price of methanol recently?
  
   I just got the bill for a delivery (two  55gal barrels). Previous price 
( July): $2.60 USD/gallon; current bill: $3.54 USD/ gallon    35% increase 
in a few months?
   I'll call my supplier in a little while ...  maybe it's just a billing 
mistake. I am just hoping someone has some info.  

 Thanks,
   Tom


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Re: [Biofuel] Methanol Price Increase?

[JAMES PHELPS]

Tom,
Yep, you missed it, I used to think it followed natural gas prices too but that 
is not the case unless there is a significant market lag that causes the price 
to lag about a year behind. Wellhead Gas prices have gone down considerably 
since last year. Someone mentioned that there was a force majure  (sp) at two 
plants in India this fall. Tsunami effects?? guessing on this one.

Conspiracy theories aside. It may have to do with our free market again since 
Biodiesel production has taken a sharp increase in the US the additional demand 
on the market could be the cause. this is often the case with finite supplies 
introduced to new markets overnight - Prices move up.

Jim

- Original Message - 
  From: Thomas Kelly 
  To: biofuel 
  Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 6:14 AM
  Subject: [Biofuel] Methanol Price Increase?


  Hello All,
   Did I miss the news?
   Has there been a significant increase in the price of methanol recently?
  
   I just got the bill for a delivery (two  55gal barrels). Previous price 
( July): $2.60 USD/gallon; current bill: $3.54 USD/ gallon    35% increase 
in a few months?
   I'll call my supplier in a little while ...  maybe it's just a billing 
mistake. I am just hoping someone has some info.  

 Thanks,
   Tom
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Re: [Biofuel] Methanol Price Increase?

[JAMES PHELPS]

I just got this also please see

http://www.purchasing.com/article/CA6389243.html

Jim


>From: "Thomas Kelly" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
>To: 
>Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Methanol Price Increase?
>Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 09:44:45 -0500
>
>  I just got off the phone with my methanol supplier. They are in 
>Albany, NY (Northeastern US). They have been very nice people to work with  
>  friendly/helpful. I was told that they had a 35% price increase  from 
>their supplier, and passed it along. Is this a world-wide phenomenon or 
>just a local/regional thing?
>  Have I been asleep at the wheel? I hadn't heard of any drastic 
>increases in the price of methanol.
> Tom
>- Original Message -
>   From: Thomas Kelly
>   To: biofuel
>   Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 8:14 AM
>   Subject: [Biofuel] Methanol Price Increase?
>
>
>   Hello All,
>Did I miss the news?
>Has there been a significant increase in the price of methanol 
>recently?
>
>I just got the bill for a delivery (two  55gal barrels). Previous 
>price ( July): $2.60 USD/gallon; current bill: $3.54 USD/ gallon    35% 
>increase in a few months?
>I'll call my supplier in a little while ...  maybe it's just a 
>billing mistake. I am just hoping someone has some info.
>
>  Thanks,
>Tom
>
>
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Re: [Biofuel] Methanol Price Increase?

[Thomas Kelly]

Jim,
 Thanks for the reply. 
 I originally got into making biodiesel for environmental reasons. However, 
I've experienced considerable $ savings .  first on fuel for a car and now 
heating my house/water. I'm spoiled. I have a good, reliable fuel that is much 
more environmentally friendly than fossil fuels and have been making it at a 
fraction of the price of fossil fuels. 
 When I started making BD I said:  "If it (BD) was available around here I 
wouldn't have to make it  ... I'd buy it". Maybe increased demand is driving 
the price of methanol up. That might be a good thing    if it is a sign 
that biodiesel production is increasing nationally/worldwide     if we 
could include increases in ethanol use, solar & wind generated power, the 
payoff in terms of environment, climate, health, and world "harmony" may well 
be worth the price we pay for energy.
 I'll continue to make my own BD even if the price of production goes up. 
I've developed a bad case of distrust for oil companies.
 Best to you,
 Tom
  - Original Message - 
  From: JAMES PHELPS 
  To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org 
  Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 9:42 AM
  Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Methanol Price Increase?


  Tom,
  Yep, you missed it, I used to think it followed natural gas prices too but 
that is not the case unless there is a significant market lag that causes the 
price to lag about a year behind. Wellhead Gas prices have gone down 
considerably since last year. Someone mentioned that there was a force majure  
(sp) at two plants in India this fall. Tsunami effects?? guessing on this one.

  Conspiracy theories aside. It may have to do with our free market again since 
Biodiesel production has taken a sharp increase in the US the additional demand 
on the market could be the cause. this is often the case with finite supplies 
introduced to new markets overnight - Prices move up.

  Jim

  - Original Message - 
From: Thomas Kelly 
To: biofuel 
Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 6:14 AM
Subject: [Biofuel] Methanol Price Increase?


Hello All,
 Did I miss the news?
 Has there been a significant increase in the price of methanol 
recently?

 I just got the bill for a delivery (two  55gal barrels). Previous 
price ( July): $2.60 USD/gallon; current bill: $3.54 USD/ gallon    35% 
increase in a few months?
 I'll call my supplier in a little while ...  maybe it's just a billing 
mistake. I am just hoping someone has some info.  

   Thanks,
 Tom
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Re: [Biofuel] Methanol Price Increase?

[Thomas Kelly]

Jim,
Thanks again. The site you provided answered the question about price
Quite a spike.
 Looks like a combination of demand and decreased production.

 "Continued strong demand and a large number of competitor outages 
caused an unprecedented shortage of methanol supply in the third quarter 
that drove spot methanol prices to record highs," said Bruce Aitken, CEO of 
key supplier Methanex."

 Tom
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From: "JAMES PHELPS" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 10:16 AM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Methanol Price Increase?


>I just got this also please see
>
> http://www.purchasing.com/article/CA6389243.html
>
> Jim
>
>
>>From: "Thomas Kelly" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
>>To: 
>>Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Methanol Price Increase?
>>Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 09:44:45 -0500
>>
>>  I just got off the phone with my methanol supplier. They are in
>>Albany, NY (Northeastern US). They have been very nice people to work with
>>  friendly/helpful. I was told that they had a 35% price increase 
>>from
>>their supplier, and passed it along. Is this a world-wide phenomenon or
>>just a local/regional thing?
>>  Have I been asleep at the wheel? I hadn't heard of any drastic
>>increases in the price of methanol.
>> Tom
>>- Original Message -
>>   From: Thomas Kelly
>>   To: biofuel
>>   Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 8:14 AM
>>   Subject: [Biofuel] Methanol Price Increase?
>>
>>
>>   Hello All,
>>Did I miss the news?
>>Has there been a significant increase in the price of methanol
>>recently?
>>
>>I just got the bill for a delivery (two  55gal barrels). Previous
>>price ( July): $2.60 USD/gallon; current bill: $3.54 USD/ gallon   
>>35%
>>increase in a few months?
>>I'll call my supplier in a little while ...  maybe it's just a
>>billing mistake. I am just hoping someone has some info.
>>
>>  Thanks,
>>Tom
>>
>>
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Re: [Biofuel] [ ] - SPAM Bayesian Re: Methanol Price Increase?

[VAN DER SLUYS, WILLIAM]

I just sent off a message and I just realized that I got my alcohols mixed up.  
Water can be reacted with ethylene to form ethanol, not methanol.  So I am also 
at a loss as to why methanol prices would have changed so dramatically.

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To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Subject: [ ] - SPAM Bayesian  Re: [Biofuel] Methanol Price Increase?


> Tom,
> Yep, you missed it, I used to think it followed natural gas prices too but
> that is not the case unless there is a significant market lag that causes
> the price to lag about a year behind. Wellhead Gas prices have gone down
> considerably since last year. Someone mentioned that there was a force
> majure  (sp) at two plants in India this fall. Tsunami effects?? guessing on
> this one.
> 
> Conspiracy theories aside. It may have to do with our free market again
> since Biodiesel production has taken a sharp increase in the US the
> additional demand on the market could be the cause. this is often the case
> with finite supplies introduced to new markets overnight - Prices move up.
> 
> Jim
> 
> - Original Message - 
>   From: Thomas Kelly 
>   To: biofuel 
>   Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 6:14 AM
>   Subject: [Biofuel] Methanol Price Increase?
> 
> 
>   Hello All,
>Did I miss the news?
>Has there been a significant increase in the price of methanol
> recently?
>   
>I just got the bill for a delivery (two  55gal barrels). Previous
> price ( July): $2.60 USD/gallon; current bill: $3.54 USD/ gallon    35%
> increase in a few months?
>I'll call my supplier in a little while ...  maybe it's just a
> billing mistake. I am just hoping someone has some info.  
> 
>  Thanks,
>Tom
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Re: [Biofuel] Methanol Price Increase?

[VAN DER SLUYS, WILLIAM]

It is my understanding that most of the methanol available in the US is 
produced from ethylene (petroleum).  I'm not surprising that methanol prices 
have gone up, but, I am surprised it took so long for them to do so.  They 
probably will come back down in the near future since oil prices have moderated.

The other way to make methanol is from wood, by way of pyrolysis (destructive 
heating which also produces charcoal) but this is not commonly done since it is 
more difficult and costly.

- Original Message -
From: Thomas Kelly [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [Biofuel] Methanol Price Increase?


> Hello All,
>  Did I miss the news?
>  Has there been a significant increase in the price of methanol
> recently?
> 
>  I just got the bill for a delivery (two  55gal barrels). Previous price
> ( July): $2.60 USD/gallon; current bill: $3.54 USD/ gallon    35%
> increase in a few months?
>  I'll call my supplier in a little while ...  maybe it's just a billing
> mistake. I am just hoping someone has some info.  
> 
>Thanks,
>  Tom
> 

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Re: [Biofuel] Methanol Price Increase?

[Thomas Kelly]

William,
 Actually methanol prices have not been directly linked to oil prices. 
My understanding is that natural gas is the normal feedstock for methanol 
production. Of course, oil prices do effect distribution costs.
 I had an interesting discussion with the sales rep. from the chemical 
supply company I've been getting my methanol from.
 He mentioned seasonal fluctuations that are fairly predictable  ex 
Here in the US, winter windshield wash contains methanol to prevent 
freezing. Increased demand in winter causes prices to go up a bit.
 He said that the current spike in price was related to a dramatic drop 
in production by a manufacturing plant in the Caribbean and two in India. 
He said that methanol prices have always been volatile; spikes in price are 
not uncommon. He could not say when prices will drop back to more normal 
prices, but seemed quite sure that this was a temporary increase.

 James Phelps provided a valuable link  www.purchasing.com that has 
price info with explanation for methanol and other items.

   Tom

- Original Message - 
From: "VAN DER SLUYS, WILLIAM" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 10:30 AM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Methanol Price Increase?


> It is my understanding that most of the methanol available in the US is 
> produced from ethylene (petroleum).  I'm not surprising that methanol 
> prices have gone up, but, I am surprised it took so long for them to do 
> so.  They probably will come back down in the near future since oil prices 
> have moderated.
>
> The other way to make methanol is from wood, by way of pyrolysis 
> (destructive heating which also produces charcoal) but this is not 
> commonly done since it is more difficult and costly.
>
> - Original Message -
> From: Thomas Kelly [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> To: biofuel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: [Biofuel] Methanol Price Increase?
>
>
>> Hello All,
>>  Did I miss the news?
>>  Has there been a significant increase in the price of methanol
>> recently?
>>
>>  I just got the bill for a delivery (two  55gal barrels). Previous 
>> price
>> ( July): $2.60 USD/gallon; current bill: $3.54 USD/ gallon    35%
>> increase in a few months?
>>  I'll call my supplier in a little while ...  maybe it's just a 
>> billing
>> mistake. I am just hoping someone has some info.
>>
>>Thanks,
>>  Tom
>>
>
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Re: [Biofuel] Methanol Price Increase?

[leo bunyan]

Just got off the dog&bone to my supplier here in south coast of NSW Oz
200liters=$314.15 + GST so wack another10% on
Thats all in Oz dollars which is about the equivalent value of monopoly mony
William do yop have any info on making it from wood?
Leo

"VAN DER SLUYS, WILLIAM" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: It is my understanding that 
most of the methanol available in the US is produced from ethylene (petroleum). 
 I'm not surprising that methanol prices have gone up, but, I am surprised it 
took so long for them to do so.  They probably will come back down in the near 
future since oil prices have moderated.

The other way to make methanol is from wood, by way of pyrolysis (destructive 
heating which also produces charcoal) but this is not commonly done since it is 
more difficult and costly.

- Original Message -
From: Thomas Kelly [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [Biofuel] Methanol Price Increase?


> Hello All,
>  Did I miss the news?
>  Has there been a significant increase in the price of methanol
> recently?
> 
>  I just got the bill for a delivery (two  55gal barrels). Previous price
> ( July): $2.60 USD/gallon; current bill: $3.54 USD/ gallon    35%
> increase in a few months?
>  I'll call my supplier in a little while ...  maybe it's just a billing
> mistake. I am just hoping someone has some info.  
> 
>Thanks,
>  Tom
> 

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Re: [Biofuel] Methanol Price Increase?

[JAMES PHELPS]

http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library/wood_alcohol.html
Jim


>From: leo bunyan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
>To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
>Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Methanol Price Increase?
>Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2006 09:12:42 +1100 (EST)
>
>Just got off the dog&bone to my supplier here in south coast of NSW Oz
>200liters=$314.15 + GST so wack another10% on
>Thats all in Oz dollars which is about the equivalent value of monopoly 
>mony
>William do yop have any info on making it from wood?
>Leo
>
>"VAN DER SLUYS, WILLIAM" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: It is my understanding 
>that most of the methanol available in the US is produced from ethylene 
>(petroleum).  I'm not surprising that methanol prices have gone up, but, I 
>am surprised it took so long for them to do so.  They probably will come 
>back down in the near future since oil prices have moderated.
>
>The other way to make methanol is from wood, by way of pyrolysis 
>(destructive heating which also produces charcoal) but this is not commonly 
>done since it is more difficult and costly.
>
>- Original Message -
>From: Thomas Kelly [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>To: biofuel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: [Biofuel] Methanol Price Increase?
>
>
> > Hello All,
> >  Did I miss the news?
> >  Has there been a significant increase in the price of methanol
> > recently?
> >
> >  I just got the bill for a delivery (two  55gal barrels). Previous 
>price
> > ( July): $2.60 USD/gallon; current bill: $3.54 USD/ gallon    35%
> > increase in a few months?
> >  I'll call my supplier in a little while ...  maybe it's just a 
>billing
> > mistake. I am just hoping someone has some info.
> >
> >Thanks,
> >  Tom
> >
>
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Re: [Biofuel] Methanol Price Increase?

[leo bunyan]

Of course
check the library
Thanks Jim

JAMES PHELPS <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library/wood_alcohol.html
Jim


>From: leo bunyan 
>Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
>To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
>Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Methanol Price Increase?
>Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2006 09:12:42 +1100 (EST)
>
>Just got off the dog&bone to my supplier here in south coast of NSW Oz
>200liters=$314.15 + GST so wack another10% on
>Thats all in Oz dollars which is about the equivalent value of monopoly 
>mony
>William do yop have any info on making it from wood?
>Leo
>
>"VAN DER SLUYS, WILLIAM"  wrote: It is my understanding 
>that most of the methanol available in the US is produced from ethylene 
>(petroleum).  I'm not surprising that methanol prices have gone up, but, I 
>am surprised it took so long for them to do so.  They probably will come 
>back down in the near future since oil prices have moderated.
>
>The other way to make methanol is from wood, by way of pyrolysis 
>(destructive heating which also produces charcoal) but this is not commonly 
>done since it is more difficult and costly.
>
>- Original Message -
>From: Thomas Kelly [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>To: biofuel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: [Biofuel] Methanol Price Increase?
>
>
> > Hello All,
> >  Did I miss the news?
> >  Has there been a significant increase in the price of methanol
> > recently?
> >
> >  I just got the bill for a delivery (two  55gal barrels). Previous 
>price
> > ( July): $2.60 USD/gallon; current bill: $3.54 USD/ gallon    35%
> > increase in a few months?
> >  I'll call my supplier in a little while ...  maybe it's just a 
>billing
> > mistake. I am just hoping someone has some info.
> >
> >Thanks,
> >  Tom
> >
>
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[Biofuel] IRAQ - The Death Squads (Documentary) on Google Video

[Kirk McLoren]

IRAQ - The Death Squads (Documentary) on Google Video


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[Biofuel] FLU SHOTS CONTAIN MERCURY

[Mike Weaver]

*SURVEY OF THE WEEK:*
*FLU SHOTS CONTAIN MERCURY*
A survey of over 9,000 Americans found that an overwhelming majority of 
people had no idea their flu shots contain mercury. "More than 75 
percent of Americans feel a mercury-containing flu shot should not be 
given to a pregnant woman or a child," said Lisa Handley, a founding 
parent of PutChildrenFirst.org 
, 
the group that organized the survey. Handley's own son, Jamison, had an 
adverse reaction to a flu shot containing mercury in 2003. "I know 
firsthand how life-changing a flu shot with mercury can be, since our 
son began his regression into autism after his flu shot." In 1999, 
government agencies called for the removal of Thimerosal, the 
mercury-based preservative in most vaccines. Then, in 2001, the American 
Academy of Pediatrics stated that, "mercury in all of its forms is toxic 
to the fetus and children." Despite these actions, 90 percent of this 
season's flu vaccines still contain Thimerosal.
*Learn more:* http://www.organicconsumers.org/2006/article_3400.cfm 



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