Re: [Biofuel] Approved
Another attempt... -D - Original Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, 20 April, 2007 2:21:23 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Approved Please read the bill. Thanks ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Yahoo! Answers - Got a question? Someone out there knows the answer. Try it now. http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Biodiesel New Process
Currently with the way it is anyone who wants to make ethyl esters pretty much has to grow ther own ethanol, and of course from a sustainability perspective it is still the best approach but with all the hype I am hearing about ethanol and E85 and with all the big investment all over the place ( vis Riverstone- Carlyle in Alberta) I think anyhdrous ethanol may be available to purchase commercially one day soon. Joe ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Biodiesel New Process
Hello Dennis Keith, I am interested in developing strains of bacteria for cellulosic ethanol production. Do you have a list of up to date and pertinent references I could have? The list of references we do have hasn't been updated for years because there's nothing new to add, it was just around the corner then and it's still just around the corner (like biodiesel from algae). Unless you want to use the old Fuel From Sawdust method with concentrated sulphuric acid: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library/ethanol_sawdust.html Fuel From Sawdust http://journeytoforever.org/ethanol_link.html#cellulose Ethanol from cellulose I suppose ARS is one of the best sources for research: http://www.ars.usda.gov/is/search.htm ARS : News Events ARS News Search for ethanol +cellulose (without the quotes). Eg.: http://www.ars.usda.gov/is/pr/2007/070412.htm Single Microbe Yields Ethanol, Plus Eco-Friendly Glue / April 12, 2007 Squeezing more ethanol from cellulose-the basic material from which all plants are made-is still a lofty goal for scientists. The process uses expensive enzymes that are limited in their ability to convert stubbornly rigid plant cells walls into fuels. Good luck. Keith thanks, Dennis - Original Message - From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Pagandai Pannirselvam To: mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.orgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 2:03 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Biodiesel New Process Respected Keith I am sure about the the use of ethanol, wish to send all the relevant work available from Brazil so that your experiences will be reall sucessful. Thanking you sd Pannirselvam P.V 2007/4/17, Keith Addison mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED]: ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Ethyl Esters (was Biodiesel New Process)
Ken, Google Gert Strand -- they make a turboyeast that achieves 16-18% alcohol in a single fermentation. That's what I used. 16 -18% Wow Thanks, that's good news. Mashing a grain is much cheaper, and cheaper yet if you sprout your own malt. Can I bypass sprouting by using enzymes (bacterial amylase) on cracked grain to break the starch in grain into simple (fermentable) sugars? Somewhere down the line, if all goes well, I will probably move towards other feedstocks that are rich in starch, and releasing the stored sugars by sprouting will not be an option Thanks, Tom - Original Message - From: Ken Provost [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 7:38 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Ethyl Esters (was Biodiesel New Process) On Apr 19, 2007, at 11:06 AM, Thomas Kelly wrote: My questions go to point that you were able to achieve 95+% completion, and the fact that, in practice, we would like to maximize ethanol output as well as achieving complete sugar utilization. Google Gert Strand -- they make a turboyeast that achieves 16-18% alcohol in a single fermentation. That's what I used. The expense is high when starting from refined sucrose, of course. Mashing a grain is much cheaper, and cheaper yet if you sprout your own malt. Strawbale house is beautiful, thanks. Sometimes I get grumpy, but it is coming along :-) -K ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Approved
W32.Sality.U was the attachment I hope no one opened it. It isnt from Keith - it is spoofed. Kirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please read the bill. Thanks ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ - Ahhh...imagining that irresistible new car smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos.___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Biodiesel New Process
Joe, In US (elsewhere?) ethanol must be rendered unfit for consumption. For example: Add 2 gal of unleaded gasoline to 100 gal of ethanol. Gasoline may make the ethanol unfit for making biodiesel. It could be denatured with methanol which would be good for making biodiesel, but not so good for use in cars. The question is: Will there be enough demand for fuel grade ethanol denatured with methanol? Tom - Original Message - From: Joe Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 11:22 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Biodiesel New Process Currently with the way it is anyone who wants to make ethyl esters pretty much has to grow ther own ethanol, and of course from a sustainability perspective it is still the best approach but with all the hype I am hearing about ethanol and E85 and with all the big investment all over the place ( vis Riverstone- Carlyle in Alberta) I think anyhdrous ethanol may be available to purchase commercially one day soon. Joe ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
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Re: [Biofuel] Ethyl Esters (was Biodiesel New Process)
On Apr 20, 2007, at 7:19 AM, Thomas Kelly wrote: Can I bypass sprouting by using enzymes (bacterial amylase) on cracked grain to break the starch in grain into simple (fermentable) sugars? Somewhere down the line, if all goes well, I will probably move towards other feedstocks that are rich in starch, and releasing the stored sugars by sprouting will not be an option You can use commercially extracted enzymes instead of malt, but why? Mashing of grains doesn't require malting the primary grain -- good example is corn mash whiskey, in which the starch of maize is saccharified using the malt of barley. Only small amounts of barley malt (or wheat malt) are needed to mash large amounts of starch (which can come from any source). -K ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
