Re: [Biofuel] Might is right?
Hi Keith; So much to say. This thread is really where the rubber hits the road isn't it? You have raised so many good points I don't want to snip anything! So I'll use the same technique injecting my comments here and there although I am not always a fan of what that does to the archives if it goes back and forth a bit which I think this thread might. Keith Addison wrote: Hi Joe Thanks for this. You're so right that this is definitely a question about sustainability. Or the question about sustainability maybe. Your message continues a thread that's been weaving through the discussions here for years and years. Just about everything you touch on echoes most interestingly in the archives, and the echoes ripple out to touch other echoes. It's all there, it's a whole body of work by now, vastly bigger than any book, more depth, more scope, and it's hyperlinked, you can grep it. Ripples and echoes are exactly the mechanics of what I am talking about. It is those that got us into this predicament ironically albeit slowly, but those carrot and stick measures which Roberto Verzola (in your link) says the corporations have used to domesticate the human species, used (without really knowing it) a form of networking capitalizing on human weaknesses, some of the vices like envy, pride, laziness, greed ( the corp's own worst character trait) etc. This was a form of networking in the sense that when a new product is marketed, as soon as someone sees their neighbour enjoying something, they want to get one too, and the ripples spread. The networking was orchestrated through advertising and it didn't have organic roots but it operated according to the same mechanics. It's more like the factory farming approach if you will allow the analogy. All unhealthy and with no eye to the future. There are a lot of people who spend a lot of their time doing just that in the list archives, and they're not trying to find out where to get their methanol, they're plotting ways out of this mess, and putting them into action, and not just for themselves. But these people have organic roots because they are motivated by health and sustainability. But even if it was just for themselves, their drives are self preservation and environment preservation for the future generations. Selfish motivations can be virtuous and this is a truth which is heavily suppressed. It is so dangerous to centralized power. I can do things for purely my own reasons which can be beneficial to many which is doublegood ( in newspeak lol) But this gets into the concept of comonality which is the cornerstone of Multitude in which diversity rules. No actually diversity IS, and comonality is the emergent rule. This is one of many good places to start, essential reading - how to kill a mammoth, from Roberto Verzola, secretary-general of the Philippine Greens: http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg30628.html Roberto's talking of evil corporations, but it applies as well to what lies behind the evil corporations and the mad empire builders and the rest of the usual suspects - those with power. It's the story of the last 10,000 years. We lose all the battles, yet it's a story of unstoppable progress - in a way the battles and who wins them hardly matter. But why did corporations rise and we lost? It ONLY worked because collectively we chased the carrot. There are places where it didn't catch on and some of them are right outside my door in the local mennonite communities, but there the fire did not spread because the tinder was dampened with religious fervor ( lmao the semantics are so backwards it is laughingly appropriate). Ok but it proves the point and also demonstrates that resistance is NOT futile.Resistance by the many is not futile but it is futile for the powermongers to try to resist the multitude. Perhaps resistance is not a good term. Maybe indifference is what is needed. Indifference to the carrot. Hard to be indifferent when you can't sustain yourself otherwise, but change that card and it's suddenly a different game. An indifferent game lol. Might is right? Right is might? Wrong questions, surely - what we have to do is dump the might altogether. Only madmen need it. What is it exactly that's progressed through the last 10,000 years? I think it's the idea that right is right. Right has always been there. Hard to call that progress. Right doesn't mind if you choose the wrong path it just keeps on shining it's rightness and when you turn around you have a chance to see it. Like the sun. Problem is people think they know what is right even when they are wrong because they think their own shining light is brighter but they are behind the darkness of their own brightness so to speak. It may be only when that light starts to fade or some really dark clouds result that they discover the error. Roberto's comments clarify some important issues.
Re: [Biofuel] Might is right?
Hi Jesse; Thanks for your comments. So your daughter is teaching you now eh? How nice. Well obviously you taught her a few things that sent her in that direction. What goes around comes around? You must be proud. Now you have to make her proud. LOL! Sorry for the trekie reference, but yeah. Well the borg was a collective but I don't see the multitude being a collective of mindless automatons as they were depicted in that tv show. But the analogy is a good one. Multitude talks about organizing humanity in a similar way that a brain is an organization of networked nerve cells. It allows for a great diversity in it's constituent cells but also allows for powerful organization according to commons. And yes you are right anything which has power has a weakness, it is Tai Chi. Nothing has ever manifested which has no trace of it's opposite, but as an alternative to centralized power and control it is quite fascinating and hopeful. Especially considering a central power which is not exactly benevolent. Joe Jesse Frayne wrote: Hi Joe, A worthy question indeed: how to attain a fair society? That John Seed guy has an enormous following, including our daughter (who lives on MorningGlory Farm, featured in today's Toronto Star, and is also a student at U of W). When she comes home she always goes though an intense culture shock: we are wasteful, we don't listen carefully enough, we are not as willing to pitch in on a daily project. The collective is a paradise for her of uplifting co-operation. Sounds like 'Multitude' is a must read... The Borg you refer to at the end of your letter were self-serving, weren't they? And vulnerable to viruses... (Same combat technique worked for Jeff Goldblum in Independance Day.) Think: what would Neo do? Jesse --- Joe Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Keith; I agree with you about the discussion around handguns in the US. It will not be a productive rant/argument anywhere and will quickly degenerate into a shouting match. But can we have a more general discussion on the concept of force because it is a very important issue to me in a more general sense. I would consider myself a pacifist (funny how that word contains 'fist') and I would also defend myself or someone who needed help but I would prefer the world worked by communication and care and consideration for each other. I have offered my opinion here before that if ANYONE is to have nukes for example, that everyone should have them, just out of a desire for everyone to have equal consideration at the bargaining table. I'd rather they were banished from existence on the planet and maybe one day we will. The book I have been harping on called Multitude offers a shining ray of hope for that world to exist through a new directly democratic social order based on networking. I'd like to discuss the problem of how we get from a world which is ruled by bullies where one could argue that you better have might or get crushed, to the more advanced and mature society which is based on things like compassion, consideration of others, fairness for all, open communication, etc etc? This is definitely a question about sustainability. John Seed came to town recently on his global tour offering hope for people needing motivation from dispair. We talked about many global issues both social and environmental and I didn't come away from that meeting feeling particularly inspired or that some really practical information was offered on how to adress these issues in ways that have real tangible results like today. My expectation did not match with the reality of what was being offered there. There have been some cases where groups have organized in the style outlined in Multitude to achieve a common purpose and in many cases it did unfortunately due to the circumstances involve some violence. There are many challenges that face such a reorganization not the least of which is the presence of the party which carries the big stick (and hasn't been walking so softly). To my way of thinking in order for a more peaceful model to come about and reach some sustainable steady state, one of the biggest hurdles that has to be overcome is how to deal with the power which is based in violence. It seems like having to get over the crest of a hill before you can get to easy sailing on the way down the other side. There are many many challenges that we face on this planet as a species right now. These are the 'interesting times' refered to in that ancient chinese curse I guess. I feel quite confident that all of these issues can be sorted out democratically on a global scale but before that can happen power needs to be wrested away from those who hate the idea of distributed power. Is there a non violent way to do this? Perhaps it is the economic power of the consumer which is the ultimate weapon against this hierarchical power structure afterall it is
Re: [Biofuel] THE LETHAL SCIENCE OF SPLENDA, A POISONOUS CHLOROCARBON
I'm thinking of putting a sticker on the bumper of my car that says: Just say NO to halogens Joe Kirk McLoren wrote: You will find several referances to splenda and insecticides http://aolsearch.aol.ca/web?query=Splenda%20and%20%20Insecticide including in this article. *THE LETHAL SCIENCE OF SPLENDA, A POISONOUS CHLOROCARBON *By James Bowen, M.D. http://www.wnho.net/splenda_chlorocarbon.htm *Posted: 08 May 2005* James Bowen, M.D., A physician, biochemist, and survivor of aspartame poisoning warns about yet another synthetic sweetener, Splenda. Hawaii, May 8, 2005 -- The chemical sucralose, marketed as Splenda, has replaced aspartame as the #1 artificial sweetener in foods and beverages. Aspartame has been forced out by increasing public awareness that it is both a neurotoxin and an underlying cause of chronic illness worldwide. Dr. James Bowen, Researcher and biochemist, reports: Splenda/sucralose is simply chlorinated sugar; a chlorocarbon. Common chlorocarbons include carbon tetrachloride, trichlorethelene and methylene chloride, all deadly. Chlorine is nature's Doberman attack dog, a highly excitable, ferocious atomic element employed *as a biocide in bleach, disinfectants,** insecticide, WWI poison gas and hydrochloric acid.* Sucralose is a molecule of sugar chemically manipulated to surrender three hydroxyl groups (hydrogen + oxygen) and replace them with three chlorine atoms. Natural sugar is a hydrocarbon built around 12 carbon atoms. When turned into Splenda it becomes a chlorocarbon, in the family of Chlorodane, Lindane and DDT. It is logical to ask why table salt, which also contains chlorine, is safe while Splenda/sucralose is toxic? Because salt isn't a chlorocarbon. When molecular chemistry binds sodium to chlorine to make salt carbon isn't included. Sucralose and salt are as different as oil and water. Unlike sodium chloride, chlorocarbons are never nutritionally compatible with our metabolic processes and are wholly incompatible with normal human metabolic functioning. When chlorine is chemically reacted into carbon-structured organic compounds to make chlorocarbons, the carbon and chlorine atoms bind to each other by mutually sharing electrons in their outer shells. This arrangement adversely affects human metabolism because our mitochondrial and cellular enzyme systems are designed to completely utilize organic molecules containing carbon, hydrogen, oxygen, nitrogen, and other compatible nutritional elements. By this process chlorocarbons such as sucralose deliver chlorine directly into our cells through normal metabolization. This makes them effective insecticides and preservatives. Preservatives must kill anything alive to prevent bacterial decomposition. Dr. Bowen believes ingested chlorocarbon damage continues with the formation of other toxins: Any chlorocarbons not directly excreted from the body intact can cause immense damage to the processes of human metabolism and, eventually, our internal organs. The liver is a detoxification organ which deals with ingested poisons. Chlorocarbons damage the hepatocytes, the liver's metabolic cells, and destroy them. In test animals Splenda produced swollen livers, as do all chlorocarbon poisons, and also calcified the kidneys of test animals in toxicity studies. The brain and nervous system are highly subject to metabolic toxicities and solvency damages by these chemicals. Their high solvency attacks the human nervous system and many other body systems including genetics and the immune function. Thus, chlorocarbon poisoning can cause cancer, birth defects, and immune system destruction. These are well known effects of Dioxin and PCBs which are known deadly chlorocarbons. Dr. Bowen continues: Just like aspartame, which achieved marketplace approval by the Food and Drug Administration when animal studies clearly demonstrated its toxicity, sucralose also failed in clinical trials with animals. Aspartame created brain tumors in rats. Sucralose has been found to shrink thymus glands (the biological seat of immunity) and produce liver inflammation in rats and mice. In the coming months we can expect to see a river of media hype expounding the virtues of Splenda/sucralose. We should not be fooled again into accepting the safety of a toxic chemical on the blessing of the FDA and saturation advertising. In terms of potential long-term human toxicity we should regard sucralose with its chemical cousin DDT, the insecticide now outlawed because of its horrendous long term toxicities at even minute trace levels in human, avian, and mammalian tissues. Synthetic chemical sweeteners are generally unsafe for
[Biofuel] Chinese flood U.S. markets with contaminated food products
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MSNBC: Chinese flood U.S. markets with contaminated food products; most of
it gets through
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18729540/
What few contaminated products FDA discovers are often shipped again
By Rick Weiss
Dried apples preserved with a cancer-causing chemical.
Frozen catfish laden with banned antibiotics.
Scallops and sardines coated with putrefying bacteria.
Mushrooms laced with illegal pesticides.
These were among the 107 food imports from China that the Food and Drug
Administration detained at U.S. ports just last month, agency documents reveal,
along with more than 1,000 shipments of tainted Chinese dietary supplements,
toxic Chinese cosmetics and counterfeit Chinese medicines.
For years, U.S. inspection records show, China has flooded the United States
with foods unfit for human consumption. And for years, FDA inspectors have
simply returned to Chinese importers the small portion of those products they
caught -- many of which turned up at U.S. borders again, making a second or
third attempt at entry.
Now the confluence of two events -- the highly publicized contamination of
U.S. chicken, pork and fish with tainted Chinese pet food ingredients and this
week's resumption of high-level economic and trade talks with China -- has
activists and members of Congress demanding that the United States tell China
it is fed up.
Integral part of food chain
Dead pets and melamine-tainted food notwithstanding, change will prove
difficult, policy experts say, in large part because U.S. companies have become
so dependent on the Chinese economy that tighter rules on imports stand to harm
the U.S. economy, too.
So many U.S. companies are directly or indirectly involved in China now, the
commercial interest of the United States these days has become to allow imports
to come in as quickly and smoothly as possible, said Robert B. Cassidy, a
former assistant U.S. trade representative for China and now director of
international trade and services for Kelley Drye Collier Shannon, a Washington
law firm.
As a result, the United States finds itself kowtowing to China, Cassidy
said, even as that country keeps sending American consumers adulterated and
mislabeled foods.
It's not just about cheap imports, added Carol Tucker Foreman, a former
assistant secretary of agriculture now at the Consumer Federation of America.
Our farmers and food processors have drooled for years to be able to sell
their food to that massive market, Foreman said. The Chinese counterfeit.
They have a serious piracy problem. But we put up with it because we want to
sell to them.
Risks of unregulated trade being re-evaluated
U.S. agricultural exports to China have grown to more than $5 billion a
year-- a fraction of last year's $232 billion U.S. trade deficit with China but
a number that has enormous growth potential, given the Chinese economy's 10
percent growth rate and its billion-plus consumers.
Trading with the largely unregulated Chinese marketplace has its risks, of
course, as evidenced by the many lawsuits that U.S. pet food companies now face
from angry consumers who say their pets were poisoned by tainted Chinese
ingredients. Until recently, however, many companies and even the federal
government reckoned that, on average, those risks were worth taking. And for
some products they have had little choice, as China has driven competitors out
of business with its rock-bottom prices.
But after the pet food scandal, some are recalculating.
This isn't the first time we've had an incident from a Chinese supplier,
said Pat Verduin, a senior vice president at the Grocery Manufacturers
Association, a trade group in Washington. Food safety is integral to brands
and to companies. This is not an issue the industry is taking lightly.
China's less-than-stellar behavior as a food exporter is revealed in
stomach-turning detail in FDA refusal reports filed by U.S. inspectors:
Juices and fruits rejected as filthy. Prunes tinted with chemical dyes not
approved for human consumption. Frozen breaded shrimp preserved with
nitrofuran, an antibacterial that can cause cancer. Swordfish rejected as
poisonous.
In the first four months of 2007, FDA inspectors -- who are able to check out
less than 1 percent of regulated imports -- refused 298 food shipments from
China. By contrast, 56 shipments from Canada were rejected, even though Canada
exports about $10 billion in FDA-regulated food and agricultural products to
the United States -- compared to about $2 billion from China.
Although China is subject to more inspections because of its poor record,
those figures mean that the rejection rate for foods imported from China, on a
dollar-for-dollar basis, is more than 25 times that for Canada.
Miao
Re: [Biofuel] Governments using filters to censor Internet, survey finds
Hey Doug; I have always noticed your amateur radio callsign attached to your signature. I looked you up on QRZ.com and see you have an advanced rating. So now that this subject has come up I have to ask if you have any involvement with the Hinternet or any HSMM activity on the 9cm amateur band?? About 10 years ago I began playing with microwaves and set a record (along with VE3SMA) on the 24 Ghz band at 76km using 1mW of power and a surplus military radar dish. That experience made it pretty easy for me to build a hinternet node using a junked satelite tv dish hacked to a wireless router which I have reprogrammed with new firmware.( not necessary but gives increased functionality to the router) I believe it is important for the techies and especially ones who hang around places like this to take some steps towards holding ground with information connectivity. Ever considered it? I can show you how. 72 Joe (ve3vxo) Doug Younker wrote: MK DuPree wrote: Anyone know how JTF List members can know if JTF is ever filtered? Would each member stop receiving posts to the List? Would we each receive only certain posts? Thanks in advance for any ideas, comment. Mike DuPree As I read the article what was labeled, filtering would more accurately be called, blocking access to to web content. As in the U. S. military recent action of blocking service personnel's access to myspace, youtube along with other web pages. This access is blocked when using military computers, LANs, but not from other internet access options like home and public computers. Doug, N0LKK ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: US Gasoline Prices Hit All Time Historical Highest Level - Adjusted For Inflation
If you put a bit more effort into it I'm sure you can hit $10 a gallon soon. http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg69797.html Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: Gas Station Owner Told to Raise Prices Best Keith US Gasoline Prices Hit All Time Historical Highest Level - Adjusted For Inflation US average, self-serve, unleaded regular hits $3.18 This is a point we have been dreading. Before this, the all time highest US average gasoline (regular) price was during 1981 (March IIRC). Adjusted for inflation, we finally topped it, and appear to be still climbing at a steady pace. It was announced on the news yesterday (Sunday) on PBS. CNN verifies it, today: http://money.cnn.com/2007/05/21/news/economy/record_gas_monday/ Here is a webpage, anticipating it, but not being able to anticipate what the number would be, or when it would get reached: http://www.answers.com/topic/oil-price-increases-of-2004-2006 We got close in 2006 http://blogs.usatoday.com/ondeadline/2006/07/gas_prices_allt.html We got closer, earlier this month: http://www.informationliberation.com/?id=21867 http://zfacts.com/p/35.html This website that was set up to say gasoline is cheap now shows that today it has gotten expensive, by their standards. http://www.nationalreview.com/moore/moore082803chart.asp http://infohost.nmt.edu/~armiller/gasprices.htm This one will give you an idea of the kind of misleading verse that we were being fed by Washington, and that some propagandists still spout, even in the face of reality. http://www.cted.wa.gov/energy/archive/Indicators99/Indicator24.htm Here is a radical, George Will, trying to make fun of the concern about gasoline prices, just last month. However, since then, the pump price has gone up 18% (since last month) and is now at the highest price in history, both in actual dollars, and also in inflation adjusted dollars. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/04/04/AR200 7040402251.html http://jalopnik.com/cars/gas-prices/never-mind-the-4-per-gallon-heres -the-summer-road-trips-61124.php This one would be funny, if it weren't so sad: from last month: Quote: says Tom Kloza, chief oil analyst for the Oil Price Information Service, an energy consulting firm. The reality is that we're nearing the highs of the year, and within 30 days there will be more gasoline on the market The article was dated 4/25/2007, twenty six days ago, and the quote was from before that. Those prices better drop fast. Instead they have climbed about 15%. Here is an other quote from the deceptive experts: The most recent Energy Dept. forecast, released Apr.10, predicted retail regular gasoline prices would average $2.81 per gallon in the summer of 2007 (April-September). We are already nearly 40% through that time, and prices are still climbing. Here is another one: We expect to see prices flatten around where they are now, says Douglas MacIntyre, senior oil analyst for the f ederal Energy Information Administration, part of the DOE. More refinery outages and higher crude prices could push it to $3 Since then the price has climbed about 18%, to $3.18, the highest price in history. More: experts say consumers are actually getting a bargain at the pump, as prices are still lower than in the early 1980s, adjusted for inflation. Since then the price has climbed about 18%, to $3.18, the highest pump price in history. Another: On a national average, gasoline prices actually decreased for the week of Apr. 23, falling 0.7 to $2.87 per gallon http://news.yahoo.com/s/bw/20070426/bs_bw/apr2007db20070426139334Since then the price has climbed 11%, to $3.18, the highest price in history. Also the old record year 1981 only averaged $2.64 (adjusted to 2006 dollars) while 2006 averaged $2.81, and this year is looking to set a new record average, not just the highest price records. . http://www.swivel.com/data_columns/spreadsheet/2690244 However, gasoline is still a lot more expensive in other countries. And another curious fact. Adjusted for inflation, the cost of oil was around $90 a barrel, back in 1981. It is hanging at around 2/3rds of that today. The difference is going to the oil companies, not for the purchase of oil. They are currently, with two oil men in the White house, reaping the largest profits of any companies in the history of the human race. -Laren Corie- Solar Building Design Since 1975 www.LarenCorie.com ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Chinese flood U.S. markets with contaminated food products
Actually the US market has proven itself very competent at flooding itself with contaminated food products of purely domestic origin with no outside help whatsoever, and doing the same to other people's markets too. It's quite interesting how the poisoned petfood scare has served to divert attention to imported perils - suspiciously like blaming gas price woes on the evils of dependence on foreign oil? The idea seems to be that as long as you can control the imports all will be well. No it won't! Best Keith MSNBC: Chinese flood U.S. markets with contaminated food products; most of it gets through http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18729540/http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18729540/ What few contaminated products FDA discovers are often shipped again By Rick Weiss Dried apples preserved with a cancer-causing chemical. Frozen catfish laden with banned antibiotics. Scallops and sardines coated with putrefying bacteria. Mushrooms laced with illegal pesticides. These were among the 107 food imports from China that the Food and Drug Administration detained at U.S. ports just last month, agency documents reveal, along with more than 1,000 shipments of tainted Chinese dietary supplements, toxic Chinese cosmetics and counterfeit Chinese medicines. For years, U.S. inspection records show, China has flooded the United States with foods unfit for human consumption. And for years, FDA inspectors have simply returned to Chinese importers the small portion of those products they caught -- many of which turned up at U.S. borders again, making a second or third attempt at entry. Now the confluence of two events -- the highly publicized contamination of U.S. chicken, pork and fish with tainted Chinese pet food ingredients and this week's resumption of high-level economic and trade talks with China -- has activists and members of Congress demanding that the United States tell China it is fed up. Integral part of food chain Dead pets and melamine-tainted food notwithstanding, change will prove difficult, policy experts say, in large part because U.S. companies have become so dependent on the Chinese economy that tighter rules on imports stand to harm the U.S. economy, too. So many U.S. companies are directly or indirectly involved in China now, the commercial interest of the United States these days has become to allow imports to come in as quickly and smoothly as possible, said Robert B. Cassidy, a former assistant U.S. trade representative for China and now director of international trade and services for Kelley Drye Collier Shannon, a Washington law firm. As a result, the United States finds itself kowtowing to China, Cassidy said, even as that country keeps sending American consumers adulterated and mislabeled foods. It's not just about cheap imports, added Carol Tucker Foreman, a former assistant secretary of agriculture now at the Consumer Federation of America. Our farmers and food processors have drooled for years to be able to sell their food to that massive market, Foreman said. The Chinese counterfeit. They have a serious piracy problem. But we put up with it because we want to sell to them. Risks of unregulated trade being re-evaluated U.S. agricultural exports to China have grown to more than $5 billion a year-- a fraction of last year's $232 billion U.S. trade deficit with China but a number that has enormous growth potential, given the Chinese economy's 10 percent growth rate and its billion-plus consumers. Trading with the largely unregulated Chinese marketplace has its risks, of course, as evidenced by the many lawsuits that U.S. pet food companies now face from angry consumers who say their pets were poisoned by tainted Chinese ingredients. Until recently, however, many companies and even the federal government reckoned that, on average, those risks were worth taking. And for some products they have had little choice, as China has driven competitors out of business with its rock-bottom prices. But after the pet food scandal, some are recalculating. This isn't the first time we've had an incident from a Chinese supplier, said Pat Verduin, a senior vice president at the Grocery Manufacturers Association, a trade group in Washington. Food safety is integral to brands and to companies. This is not an issue the industry is taking lightly. China's less-than-stellar behavior as a food exporter is revealed in stomach-turning detail in FDA refusal reports filed by U.S. inspectors: Juices and fruits rejected as filthy. Prunes tinted with chemical dyes not approved for human consumption. Frozen breaded shrimp preserved with nitrofuran, an antibacterial that can cause cancer. Swordfish rejected as poisonous. In the first four months of 2007, FDA inspectors -- who are able to check out less than 1 percent of regulated imports -- refused 298 food shipments from China. By contrast, 56 shipments from Canada were rejected, even though Canada
Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: US Gasoline Prices Hit All Time Historical Highest Level - Adjusted For Inflation
Still, this morning as I went into the city in my relatively small VW Biodiesel Golf, I saw hundreds of single occupant SUVs pass me. Why don't we have smart cars in the US? I don't even need a VW most of the time. All I need to carry is a few computers and a tools. Keith Addison wrote: If you put a bit more effort into it I'm sure you can hit $10 a gallon soon. http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg69797.html Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: Gas Station Owner Told to Raise Prices Best Keith US Gasoline Prices Hit All Time Historical Highest Level - Adjusted For Inflation US average, self-serve, unleaded regular hits $3.18 This is a point we have been dreading. Before this, the all time highest US average gasoline (regular) price was during 1981 (March IIRC). Adjusted for inflation, we finally topped it, and appear to be still climbing at a steady pace. It was announced on the news yesterday (Sunday) on PBS. CNN verifies it, today: http://money.cnn.com/2007/05/21/news/economy/record_gas_monday/ Here is a webpage, anticipating it, but not being able to anticipate what the number would be, or when it would get reached: http://www.answers.com/topic/oil-price-increases-of-2004-2006 We got close in 2006 http://blogs.usatoday.com/ondeadline/2006/07/gas_prices_allt.html We got closer, earlier this month: http://www.informationliberation.com/?id=21867 http://zfacts.com/p/35.html This website that was set up to say gasoline is cheap now shows that today it has gotten expensive, by their standards. http://www.nationalreview.com/moore/moore082803chart.asp http://infohost.nmt.edu/~armiller/gasprices.htm This one will give you an idea of the kind of misleading verse that we were being fed by Washington, and that some propagandists still spout, even in the face of reality. http://www.cted.wa.gov/energy/archive/Indicators99/Indicator24.htm Here is a radical, George Will, trying to make fun of the concern about gasoline prices, just last month. However, since then, the pump price has gone up 18% (since last month) and is now at the highest price in history, both in actual dollars, and also in inflation adjusted dollars. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/04/04/AR200 7040402251.html http://jalopnik.com/cars/gas-prices/never-mind-the-4-per-gallon-heres -the-summer-road-trips-61124.php This one would be funny, if it weren't so sad: from last month: Quote: says Tom Kloza, chief oil analyst for the Oil Price Information Service, an energy consulting firm. The reality is that we're nearing the highs of the year, and within 30 days there will be more gasoline on the market The article was dated 4/25/2007, twenty six days ago, and the quote was from before that. Those prices better drop fast. Instead they have climbed about 15%. Here is an other quote from the deceptive experts: The most recent Energy Dept. forecast, released Apr.10, predicted retail regular gasoline prices would average $2.81 per gallon in the summer of 2007 (April-September). We are already nearly 40% through that time, and prices are still climbing. Here is another one: We expect to see prices flatten around where they are now, says Douglas MacIntyre, senior oil analyst for the f ederal Energy Information Administration, part of the DOE. More refinery outages and higher crude prices could push it to $3 Since then the price has climbed about 18%, to $3.18, the highest price in history. More: experts say consumers are actually getting a bargain at the pump, as prices are still lower than in the early 1980s, adjusted for inflation. Since then the price has climbed about 18%, to $3.18, the highest pump price in history. Another: On a national average, gasoline prices actually decreased for the week of Apr. 23, falling 0.7 to $2.87 per gallon http://news.yahoo.com/s/bw/20070426/bs_bw/apr2007db20070426139334Since then the price has climbed 11%, to $3.18, the highest price in history. Also the old record year 1981 only averaged $2.64 (adjusted to 2006 dollars) while 2006 averaged $2.81, and this year is looking to set a new record average, not just the highest price records. . http://www.swivel.com/data_columns/spreadsheet/2690244 However, gasoline is still a lot more expensive in other countries. And another curious fact. Adjusted for inflation, the cost of oil was around $90 a barrel, back in 1981. It is hanging at around 2/3rds of that today. The difference is going to the oil companies, not for the purchase of oil. They are currently, with two oil men in the White house, reaping the largest profits of any companies in the history of the human race. -Laren Corie- Solar Building Design Since 1975 www.LarenCorie.com ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html
Re: [Biofuel] Governments using filters to censor Internet, survey finds
What are you running? DD-WRT? That's what I run on my Buffalos. Been tinkering with antennas some. Joe Street wrote: Hey Doug; I have always noticed your amateur radio callsign attached to your signature. I looked you up on QRZ.com and see you have an advanced rating. So now that this subject has come up I have to ask if you have any involvement with the Hinternet or any HSMM activity on the 9cm amateur band?? About 10 years ago I began playing with microwaves and set a record (along with VE3SMA) on the 24 Ghz band at 76km using 1mW of power and a surplus military radar dish. That experience made it pretty easy for me to build a hinternet node using a junked satelite tv dish hacked to a wireless router which I have reprogrammed with new firmware.( not necessary but gives increased functionality to the router) I believe it is important for the techies and especially ones who hang around places like this to take some steps towards holding ground with information connectivity. Ever considered it? I can show you how. 72 Joe (ve3vxo) Doug Younker wrote: MK DuPree wrote: Anyone know how JTF List members can know if JTF is ever filtered? Would each member stop receiving posts to the List? Would we each receive only certain posts? Thanks in advance for any ideas, comment. Mike DuPree As I read the article what was labeled, filtering would more accurately be called, blocking access to to web content. As in the U. S. military recent action of blocking service personnel's access to myspace, youtube along with other web pages. This access is blocked when using military computers, LANs, but not from other internet access options like home and public computers. Doug, N0LKK ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Majority DDSs (52%) now mercury-free - Tipping point at hand!
Too bad Bob isnt still on the list. Kirk Majority DDSs (52%) now mercury-free - Tipping point at hand! http://www.bolenreport.net/feature_articles/feature_article067.htm By Charles G. Brown, National Counsel, Consumers For Dental Choice Monday, May 21st, 2007 The tipping point against mercury fillings, my friends, has arrived. A dentist magazine surveyed its dentist readers, and finds that 52% of American dentists now are mercury-free. www.toxicteeth.org/Mercury%20survey.pdf  Wow.  This new dentist majority brings colossal ramifications upon America âs protectors of mercury fillings -- the American Dental Association and the Food and Drug Administration.  I wrote the head of the ADA to inform him that the ADA has missed the boat by not exiting the mercury fillings business last year. (I even went to Chicago in December to hand them a graceful exit plan.) Choosing instead to stay mired in  the 19th century, ADA âs pro-mercury members are likely to be picked off via lawsuits, one-by-ones. The ADA , I advised Dr. Bramson, will morph into a numerical shadow of itself, as its members wake up to the fact that this rallying around mercury has been a sham; www.toxicteeth.org/52%25%20mercury-free,%20Dr.Bramson.pdf With this new evidence, if the ADA refuses to warn its dwindling band of pro-mercury dentists to abandon mercury, the ADA likewise will be sitting in the litigation dock.  Our legal team -- Bob Reeves, Sandy Duffy, Kele Onyejekwe and I â was on the brink of filing the re-match lawsuit in the U.S. District Court, (Moms Against Mercury v. FDA II). But FDA lawyers agreed at the 11th hour to a meeting. On May 10, they assembled a number of top officials, and I brought the nationâs #1 food and drug lawyer on the consumerâs side, Jim Turner. We had what diplomats describe as a âfrankâ session. By letter afterwards, I asked FDA to meet with IAOMT âs Science Advisory Board (see our web site, www.toxicteeth.org,  third item); IAOMT âs liaison, Dr. Rich Fischer, is following through. As the summer opens, we begin a short intense period where FDA will decide whether to abandon its policy protecting mercury fillings and comply with the law, adhere to the science, and apply plain common sense (the precautionary principle of health care) â or continue its position that the health of children and pregnant women rank below professional courtesy to the dental establishment. My fellow lawyers join me in assuring you our powder is dry.  The press corps that cover FDA are closely following our battle; see  www.toxicteeth.org/natCamp_BNA-FDAMAM.cfm  and www.toxicteeth.org/FDA%20Week%204.20.07.pdf  For your community (regardless of whether it has reached the magic 51% threshold), this development is huge.  Regardless of whether you are a health professional or a consumer, please call in to talk shows; write a letter to the editor; write a letter to your state and federal lawmakers and your state dental board, with a message like this: A majority of dentists are now mercury-free! Why are the old-fashioned dentists sticking with this primitive 19th-century device in the 21st century? Itâs time to stop using mercury in dentistry.  Charlie Brown, 5/16/07  Charles G. Brown, National Counsel,  Consumers for Dental Choice                                           1725 K St., N.W., Suite 511, Washington DC 20006       Ph. 202.822-6307; fax 822-6309 [EMAIL PROTECTED], www.toxicteeth.org   __._,_.___ SPONSORED LINKS Mental illness and substance abuse Mental illness Mental illness bipolar disorder Multiple chemical sensitivity Critical illness insurance Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___ - Sick sense of humor? Visit Yahoo! TV's Comedy with an Edge to see what's on, when. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Governments using filters to censor Internet, survey finds
Yep although I can only run the micro build because I have a neutered linksys wrt54G. Wish I'd have known about that when I bought it. But I can still do more with the DD-WRT firmware than the stock program cisco gave it. BTW it's dead easy to make a biquad feed for the dish and rather than farting around with some kind of gender bending adapter for the reverse polarity TNC connectors on the linksys router ( what a lame attempt to stop us eh?) I just soldered an SMA connector to the back of the board on the same solder pads used by the RP-TNC connector and left that connector open. Then I run some semirigid line to the feedpoint of the dish. Just for giggles I threw the biquad feed ( which I made in about an hour) on a very high frequency network analyzer here at the U and without any tuning, (just built by measurements) the antenna feed showed about 23 dB return loss at 2.4 Ghz. I was happy with that. At about 2 degrees beam width off the dish, aiming is a challenge for anything far out. Still trying to do some long haul links, seems to be plenty of gain, but I need some kind of utility that shows me the signal strength in realtime. Having to search for connections and hit the refresh button every time doesn't make me smile. Do you have any suggestions? Joe Mike Weaver wrote: What are you running? DD-WRT? That's what I run on my Buffalos. Been tinkering with antennas some. Joe Street wrote: Hey Doug; I have always noticed your amateur radio callsign attached to your signature. I looked you up on QRZ.com and see you have an advanced rating. So now that this subject has come up I have to ask if you have any involvement with the Hinternet or any HSMM activity on the 9cm amateur band?? About 10 years ago I began playing with microwaves and set a record (along with VE3SMA) on the 24 Ghz band at 76km using 1mW of power and a surplus military radar dish. That experience made it pretty easy for me to build a hinternet node using a junked satelite tv dish hacked to a wireless router which I have reprogrammed with new firmware.( not necessary but gives increased functionality to the router) I believe it is important for the techies and especially ones who hang around places like this to take some steps towards holding ground with information connectivity. Ever considered it? I can show you how. 72 Joe (ve3vxo) Doug Younker wrote: MK DuPree wrote: Anyone know how JTF List members can know if JTF is ever filtered? Would each member stop receiving posts to the List? Would we each receive only certain posts? Thanks in advance for any ideas, comment. Mike DuPree As I read the article what was labeled, filtering would more accurately be called, blocking access to to web content. As in the U. S. military recent action of blocking service personnel's access to myspace, youtube along with other web pages. This access is blocked when using military computers, LANs, but not from other internet access options like home and public computers. Doug, N0LKK ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: US Gasoline Prices Hit All Time Historical Highest Level - Adjusted For Inflation
9300! Where are you at? Leadville Colorado? Great news on the greenhouse. Joe Zeke Yewdall wrote: Finally. I don't like where the money is going, but for years, I have been arguing for public transportation, higher mpg vehicals, electric cars, etc. And the argument has always been that the wonderful free market economy should dictate what companies make and people buy -- not governments. Well folks, how do you like your free market now? What the SUV drivers don't realize is that they've WON their argument against the environmentalists and proved that the market is the only thing that can get rid of gas guzzlers -- not legislation, lawsuits, etc. Well, it hasn't quite won yet, but just in the last two weeks, I haven't heard any SUV ads on the radio, and every manufacturer is touting the gas mileage of their cars, whatever they make. Sort of like all the old magazine ads you see from the early 80's (I wasn't old enough to remember it) -- gas mileage was THE big thing. Of course, our vaunted free market is actually a pretty corrupt form of crony capitalism, not an ideal free market economy, but that never stopped anyone from blindly supporting it in the past. Especially the same people who are begging congress for an inquiry on why gas prices are so high now, I bet. On a more positive and sustainable note, my earth bermed greenhouse is progressing, and with luck I will be growing my own tomatoes, peppers, and squash locally this summer, at 9,300 feet elevation, instead of buying them from far far away and shipping them across oceans and whatnot. And, the greenhouse is made from at least 50% reclaimed materials destined for landfills (five good condition double paned sliding glass doors... someone was giving them away for free to save himself the cost of disposing of them). Big bed of potatoes is going in in front of the greenhouse too. And a bed of raspberries on the other side of teh house (some native ones, some cultivated varieties) Z On 5/21/07, *Kirk McLoren* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: US Gasoline Prices Hit All Time Historical Highest Level - Adjusted For Inflation US average, self-serve, unleaded regular hits $3.18 This is a point we have been dreading. Before this, the all time highest US average gasoline (regular) price was during 1981 (March IIRC). Adjusted for inflation, we finally topped it, and appear to be still climbing at a steady pace. It was announced on the news yesterday (Sunday) on PBS. CNN verifies it, today: http://money.cnn.com/2007/05/21/news/economy/record_gas_monday/ Here is a webpage, anticipating it, but not being able to anticipate what the number would be, or when it would get reached: http://www.answers.com/topic/oil-price-increases-of-2004-2006 We got close in 2006 http://blogs.usatoday.com/ondeadline/2006/07/gas_prices_allt.html We got closer, earlier this month: http://www.informationliberation.com/?id=21867 http://zfacts.com/p/35.html This website that was set up to say gasoline is cheap now shows that today it has gotten expensive, by their standards. http://www.nationalreview.com/moore/moore082803chart.asp http://infohost.nmt.edu/~armiller/gasprices.htm http://infohost.nmt.edu/%7Earmiller/gasprices.htm This one will give you an idea of the kind of misleading verse that we were being fed by Washington, and that some propagandists still spout, even in the face of reality. http://www.cted.wa.gov/energy/archive/Indicators99/Indicator24.htm Here is a radical, George Will, trying to make fun of the concern about gasoline prices, just last month. However, since then, the pump price has gone up 18% (since last month) and is now at the highest price in history, both in actual dollars, and also in inflation adjusted dollars. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/04/04/AR2007040402251.html http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/04/04/AR2007040402251.html http://jalopnik.com/cars/gas-prices/never-mind-the-4-per-gallon-heres-the-summer-road-trips-61124.php http://jalopnik.com/cars/gas-prices/never-mind-the-4-per-gallon-heres-the-summer-road-trips-61124.php This one would be funny, if it weren't so sad: from last month: Quote: says Tom Kloza, chief oil analyst for the Oil Price Information Service, an energy consulting firm. The reality is that we're nearing the highs of the year, and within 30 days there will be more gasoline on the market The article was dated 4/25/2007, twenty six days ago, and the quote was from before that. Those prices better drop fast. Instead they have
Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: US Gasoline Prices Hit All Time Historical Highest Level - Adjusted For Inflation
Mike, Put this on a 2008 US Presidential campaign poster: Get Smart and the candidate's picture with the SMART car. Looked in the window of one yesterday as I was filling up with B50 and there is room in there for lots of stuff. Problem is a major lifestyle shift and doing well with less. The SUVs provide the conspicuous consumption unfortunately the SMART car doesn't, to them at least. Fools and their money are apparently still easily parted. My 2 cents, not indexed for inflation. Fred From:Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To:biofuel@sustainablelists.orgTo:biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSubject:Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: US Gasoline Prices Hit All Time Historical Highest Level - Adjusted For InflationDate:Mon, 21 May 2007 15:28:29 -0600Still, this morning as I went into the city in my relatively small VWBiodiesel Golf, I saw hundreds of single occupant SUVspass me.Why don't we have smart cars in the US?I don't even need aVW most of the time.All I need to carry is a few computers and atools.Keith Addison wrote: If you put a bit more effort into it I'm sure you can hit $10 a gallon soon. http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg69797.html Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: Gas Station Owner Told to Raise Prices Best Keith US Gasoline Prices Hit All Time Historical Highest Level - Adjusted For Inflation US average, self-serve, unleaded regular hits $3.18 This is a point we have been dreading. Before this, the all time highest US average gasoline (regular) price was during 1981 (March IIRC). Adjusted for inflation, we finally topped it, and appear to be still climbing at a steady pace. It was announced on the news yesterday (Sunday) on PBS. CNN verifies it, today: http://money.cnn.com/2007/05/21/news/economy/record_gas_monday/ Here is a webpage, anticipating it, but not being able to anticipate what the number would be, or when it would get reached: http://www.answers.com/topic/oil-price-increases-of-2004-2006 We got close in 2006 http://blogs.usatoday.com/ondeadline/2006/07/gas_prices_allt.html We got closer, earlier this month: http://www.informationliberation.com/?id=21867 http://zfacts.com/p/35.html This website that was set up to say "gasoline is cheap" now shows that today it has gotten expensive, by their standards. http://www.nationalreview.com/moore/moore082803chart.asp http://infohost.nmt.edu/~armiller/gasprices.htm This one will give you an idea of the kind of misleading verse that we were being fed by Washington, and that some propagandists still spout, even in the face of reality. http://www.cted.wa.gov/energy/archive/Indicators99/Indicator24.htm Here is a radical, George Will, trying to make fun of the concern about gasoline prices, just last month. However, since then, the pump price has gone up 18% (since last month) and is now at the highest price in history, both in actual dollars, and also in inflation adjusted dollars. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/04/04/AR200 7040402251.html http://jalopnik.com/cars/gas-prices/never-mind-the-4-per-gallon-heres -the-summer-road-trips-61124.php This one would be funny, if it weren't so sad: from last month: Quote: "says Tom Kloza, chief oil analyst for the Oil Price Information Service, an energy consulting firm. "The reality is that we're nearing the highs of the year, and within 30 days there will be more gasoline on the market The article was dated 4/25/2007, twenty six days ago, and the quote was from before that. Those prices better drop fast. Instead they have climbed about 15%. Here is an other quote from the deceptive "experts:" "The most recent Energy Dept. forecast, released Apr.10, predicted retail regular gasoline prices would average $2.81 per gallon in the summer of 2007 (April-September)." We are already nearly 40% through that time, and prices are still climbing. Here is another one: ""We expect to see prices flatten around where they are now," says Douglas MacIntyre, senior oil analyst for the f ederal Energy Information Administration, part of the DOE. "More refinery outages and higher crude prices could push it to $3 Since then the price has climbed about 18%, to $3.18, the highest price in history. More: "experts say consumers are actually getting a bargain at the pump, as prices are still lower than in the early 1980s, adjusted for inflation." Since then the price has climbed about 18%, to $3.18, the highest pump price in history. Another: "On a national average, gasoline prices actually decreased for the week of Apr. 23, falling 0.7 to $2.87 per gallon" http://news.yahoo.com/s/bw/20070426/bs_bw/apr2007db20070426139334Since then the price has climbed 11%, to $3.18, the highest price in history. Also the old record year 1981 only averaged $2.64 (adjusted to 2006 dollars) while 2006 averaged $2.81, and this year is looking to set a new record average, not just the highest price records. . http://www.swivel.com/data_columns/spreadsheet/2690244 However, gasoline is still a lot more
Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: US Gasoline Prices Hit All Time Historical Highest Level - Adjusted For Inflation
Nah, Leadville is at 10,430 feet. I'm in Ward, CO -- another old mining town. And it's snowing tonight. Just a dusting so far :) On 5/22/07, Joe Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 9300! Where are you at? Leadville Colorado? Great news on the greenhouse. Joe Zeke Yewdall wrote: Finally. I don't like where the money is going, but for years, I have been arguing for public transportation, higher mpg vehicals, electric cars, etc. And the argument has always been that the wonderful free market economy should dictate what companies make and people buy -- not governments. Well folks, how do you like your free market now? What the SUV drivers don't realize is that they've WON their argument against the environmentalists and proved that the market is the only thing that can get rid of gas guzzlers -- not legislation, lawsuits, etc. Well, it hasn't quite won yet, but just in the last two weeks, I haven't heard any SUV ads on the radio, and every manufacturer is touting the gas mileage of their cars, whatever they make. Sort of like all the old magazine ads you see from the early 80's (I wasn't old enough to remember it) -- gas mileage was THE big thing. Of course, our vaunted free market is actually a pretty corrupt form of crony capitalism, not an ideal free market economy, but that never stopped anyone from blindly supporting it in the past. Especially the same people who are begging congress for an inquiry on why gas prices are so high now, I bet. On a more positive and sustainable note, my earth bermed greenhouse is progressing, and with luck I will be growing my own tomatoes, peppers, and squash locally this summer, at 9,300 feet elevation, instead of buying them from far far away and shipping them across oceans and whatnot. And, the greenhouse is made from at least 50% reclaimed materials destined for landfills (five good condition double paned sliding glass doors... someone was giving them away for free to save himself the cost of disposing of them). Big bed of potatoes is going in in front of the greenhouse too. And a bed of raspberries on the other side of teh house (some native ones, some cultivated varieties) Z On 5/21/07, Kirk McLoren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: US Gasoline Prices Hit All Time Historical Highest Level - Adjusted For Inflation US average, self-serve, unleaded regular hits $3.18 This is a point we have been dreading. Before this, the all time highest US average gasoline (regular) price was during 1981 (March IIRC). Adjusted for inflation, we finally topped it, and appear to be still climbing at a steady pace. It was announced on the news yesterday (Sunday) on PBS. CNN verifies it, today: http://money.cnn.com/2007/05/21/news/economy/record_gas_monday/ Here is a webpage, anticipating it, but not being able to anticipate what the number would be, or when it would get reached: http://www.answers.com/topic/oil-price-increases-of-2004-2006 We got close in 2006 http://blogs.usatoday.com/ondeadline/2006/07/gas_prices_allt.html We got closer, earlier this month: http://www.informationliberation.com/?id=21867 http://zfacts.com/p/35.html This website that was set up to say gasoline is cheap now shows that today it has gotten expensive, by their standards. http://www.nationalreview.com/moore/moore082803chart.asp http://infohost.nmt.edu/~armiller/gasprices.htm http://infohost.nmt.edu/%7Earmiller/gasprices.htm This one will give you an idea of the kind of misleading verse that we were being fed by Washington, and that some propagandists still spout, even in the face of reality. http://www.cted.wa.gov/energy/archive/Indicators99/Indicator24.htm Here is a radical, George Will, trying to make fun of the concern about gasoline prices, just last month. However, since then, the pump price has gone up 18% (since last month) and is now at the highest price in history, both in actual dollars, and also in inflation adjusted dollars. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/04/04/AR2007040402251.html http://jalopnik.com/cars/gas-prices/never-mind-the-4-per-gallon-heres-the-summer-road-trips-61124.php This one would be funny, if it weren't so sad: from last month: Quote: says Tom Kloza, chief oil analyst for the Oil Price Information Service, an energy consulting firm. The reality is that we're nearing the highs of the year, and within 30 days there will be more gasoline on the market The article was dated 4/25/2007, twenty six days ago, and the quote was from before that. Those prices better drop fast. Instead they have climbed about 15%. Here is an other quote from the deceptive experts: The most recent Energy Dept. forecast, released Apr.10, predicted retail regular gasoline prices would average $2.81 per gallon in the summer of 2007 (April-September). We are already nearly 40% through that time, and prices are still climbing. Here is another one: We expect to see prices flatten around where they are now, says
Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: US Gasoline Prices Hit All Time Historical Highest Level - Adjusted For Inflation
The problem I've got with the Smart is that it embodies the motor industry's kind of closed-technology, capital-intensive, disposable, owner-unfixable, economies-of-scale-sensitive approach as much any other new car: possibly even more. I've often wondered if it can be corrected by a few minor tweaks, but every time I've done that exercise I've found that I'd very early cast out every last vestige of the Smart and designed an Austin Seven instead! Also, the Smart's brief is to do the job that ought to be done by walking. -D - Original Message From: Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Monday, 21 May, 2007 11:28:29 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: US Gasoline Prices Hit All Time Historical Highest Level - Adjusted For Inflation Still, this morning as I went into the city in my relatively small VW Biodiesel Golf, I saw hundreds of single occupant SUVs pass me. Why don't we have smart cars in the US? I don't even need a VW most of the time. All I need to carry is a few computers and a tools. Keith Addison wrote: If you put a bit more effort into it I'm sure you can hit $10 a gallon soon. http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg69797.html Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: Gas Station Owner Told to Raise Prices Best Keith US Gasoline Prices Hit All Time Historical Highest Level - Adjusted For Inflation US average, self-serve, unleaded regular hits $3.18 This is a point we have been dreading. Before this, the all time highest US average gasoline (regular) price was during 1981 (March IIRC). Adjusted for inflation, we finally topped it, and appear to be still climbing at a steady pace. It was announced on the news yesterday (Sunday) on PBS. CNN verifies it, today: http://money.cnn.com/2007/05/21/news/economy/record_gas_monday/ Here is a webpage, anticipating it, but not being able to anticipate what the number would be, or when it would get reached: http://www.answers.com/topic/oil-price-increases-of-2004-2006 We got close in 2006 http://blogs.usatoday.com/ondeadline/2006/07/gas_prices_allt.html We got closer, earlier this month: http://www.informationliberation.com/?id=21867 http://zfacts.com/p/35.html This website that was set up to say gasoline is cheap now shows that today it has gotten expensive, by their standards. http://www.nationalreview.com/moore/moore082803chart.asp http://infohost.nmt.edu/~armiller/gasprices.htm This one will give you an idea of the kind of misleading verse that we were being fed by Washington, and that some propagandists still spout, even in the face of reality. http://www.cted.wa.gov/energy/archive/Indicators99/Indicator24.htm Here is a radical, George Will, trying to make fun of the concern about gasoline prices, just last month. However, since then, the pump price has gone up 18% (since last month) and is now at the highest price in history, both in actual dollars, and also in inflation adjusted dollars. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/04/04/AR200 7040402251.html http://jalopnik.com/cars/gas-prices/never-mind-the-4-per-gallon-heres -the-summer-road-trips-61124.php This one would be funny, if it weren't so sad: from last month: Quote: says Tom Kloza, chief oil analyst for the Oil Price Information Service, an energy consulting firm. The reality is that we're nearing the highs of the year, and within 30 days there will be more gasoline on the market The article was dated 4/25/2007, twenty six days ago, and the quote was from before that. Those prices better drop fast. Instead they have climbed about 15%. Here is an other quote from the deceptive experts: The most recent Energy Dept. forecast, released Apr.10, predicted retail regular gasoline prices would average $2.81 per gallon in the summer of 2007 (April-September). We are already nearly 40% through that time, and prices are still climbing. Here is another one: We expect to see prices flatten around where they are now, says Douglas MacIntyre, senior oil analyst for the f ederal Energy Information Administration, part of the DOE. More refinery outages and higher crude prices could push it to $3 Since then the price has climbed about 18%, to $3.18, the highest price in history. More: experts say consumers are actually getting a bargain at the pump, as prices are still lower than in the early 1980s, adjusted for inflation. Since then the price has climbed about 18%, to $3.18, the highest pump price in history. Another: On a national average, gasoline prices actually decreased for the week of Apr. 23, falling 0.7 to $2.87 per gallon http://news.yahoo.com/s/bw/20070426/bs_bw/apr2007db20070426139334Since then the price has climbed 11%, to $3.18, the highest price in history. Also the old record year 1981 only averaged $2.64 (adjusted to 2006 dollars) while 2006 averaged $2.81, and this year is looking to set a new record average, not just the highest price records. .
