[Biofuel] Be wary of biotech lettuce experiments
Be wary of biotech lettuce experiments http://www.enn.com/top_stories/article/29099 The Salinas Californian recently reported on a talk by Professor Henry Daniell, who was here to promote cultivation of drug-producing lettuce. The biotechnology industry has long hoped to use plants, including common food crops, to produce high-profit new drugs. It is worth noting that Daniell is not only an academic; he is also the founder of Chlorogen, Inc., a company that hopes to profit from these so-called 'pharm' crops. Salinas farmers should be leery of lettuce pharming. The California lettuce industry is still reeling from consumer fears of E. coli contamination. Imagine the uproar from healthy salad eaters when they learn that California lettuce growers are planting untested, experimental drugs near the lettuce that is destined for our supermarkets. Scientists say there is no way to keep untested drugs produced in food crops out of the food supply. Even the editors of the pro-biotechnology science journal Nature Biotechnology warned: 'Don't use food plants for producing drugs,' because of the health risks. Consumers, including our children, who may unknowingly eat pharmed lettuce could get an uncontrolled dose of an untested, biologically active drug - with unknown consequences. As reported in The Californian, Daniell claims that farmers growing untested drugs in lettuce will face no new regulations. This sounds frighteningly similar to the promises made by the world's leading pharm crop company, ProdiGene, to Midwestern farmers. Although the company promised farmers would face 'no new growing practices' if they chose to plant ProdiGene's untested drugs in their corn, this lax attitude cost some farmers more than they bargained for. Half-a-million bushels of Nebraska soybeans were ordered to be destroyed when the unapproved ProdiGene drug-corn contaminated the soy crop. Daniell claims that contamination would not be a concern because his drug-producing lettuce can't cross with natural lettuce varieties. But, ProdiGene's corn did not cross-pollinate with soybeans: It contaminated soybeans with volunteer drug-corn from the previous season's seed grown on the same land. The drug corn went undetected in the soybean field that was harvested the following season. Cross-pollination is one of many potential routes of contamination. Other unapproved biotech crops have contaminated safe, natural varieties during every stage of production. Contamination occurs through seed mix-ups, wind or animal seed dispersal, not thoroughly cleaned farm equipment and storage bins, improperly labeled seeds, and numerous other unpredictable ways, often from human error. Danielle's system for avoiding cross-pollination relies on the hope that genes inserted into a plant's chloroplast cells will not be a contamination problem, since they are a part of the plant's DNA that does not mix in pollination. But, a 2003 study found that genes can move between the chloroplast and nuclei of plants, and they did so more often than researchers expected. This means that Danielle's untested drug plants could cross-pollinate with lettuce destined for our dinner tables. Given all the potential human errors that could lead to contamination, and the biological reality that it is impossible to fully contain these untested drug plants, it is clear that lettuce pharming is a dangerous idea for Salinas. If growers in the Salinas Valley are looking for new markets, they should look to safer, healthier, and organic markets, not an untested, risky pharm crop that will do more harm to the industry than good. CHARLES MARGULIS is a spokesman for the Center for Food Safety, a national advocacy organization dedicated to challenging harmful food production technologies and promoting sustainable alternatives. He is a graduate of UC Berkeley and of the California Culinary Academy. By CHARLES MARGULIS The Californian, 7 January 2008 http://www.thecalifornian.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080107/OPINION/801070317 __._,_.___ - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20080112/95533151/attachment.html -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/octet-stream Size: 63150 bytes Desc: pat745651776 Url : /pipermail/attachments/20080112/95533151/attachment.obj ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel
Re: [Biofuel] We need these cars *#
Yes those cheap indian cars will increase pollution somewhat, because the target buyer is people who now use motorbikes or bikes. Smog might actually be less than with motorbikes if they are replacing two cycle bikes, but CO2 is pretty certain to increase (as it also will with higher horsepower engines that he seems to favor, oddly). And even a small car is alot bigger than a motorbike or bike, so traffic congestion is likely to get worse too. However... the rest of his statements only serve to show his own ignorance about how the rest of the world lives. Perhaps he'd like to try an annual income of $3,000? Or $300? Z On Jan 11, 2008 5:03 PM, Fritz Friesinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, there was a radioshow on CBC 1 on thursday afternoon talking about the new lowcost car from India!Cost here in Canada approx.2 300$can.So this stupid announcer said: People who can not afford a more expensive car should walk or take public transport! What a qualifiing statement (for his very own intelligence) And he went on whit statments that can Cars should have much more than a 30HP or so engine,you need more power on the road! Well my first car ,a LLoyd Alexander TS had a full 17HP and run top 125Kmh! And further the guy went... we dont need those cheep cars the gonne excellerate the pollution level ! Fritz - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 9:51 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] We need these cars *# Dear Kirk, I don't know whether this particular model is for me, but I am sure there will be many competitors over the next decade. The Zenn folks are to be congratulated. I think the U.S. balance of payments deficit would improve over time if we were to import large numbers of Zenns and less gasoline/diesel/crude. I think we need to be concerned with battery safety and the mine-to-landfill environmental impacts of the batteries. In my case, the electricity would come from wind and small hydro when parked at home; so I welcome the age of the electric car. Regards, Wendell From: Kirk McLoren [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2008/01/11 Fri AM 01:57:22 CST To: biofuel Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: [Biofuel] We need these cars The ZENN (zero emissions no noise) car. Video, 10 min http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8M88k6Ipp3c - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20080110/58248af2/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20080111/f695cb01/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] interesting refrigerator
Hi Tom, Thank you so much for your post. We've been way back for 5 years and the decision tree is quite different from that of the plug in culture. Regarding refrigeration: it is a significant energy user and when watts are precious we take notice. My solution is quite simple in our cold climate of Northern New Hampshire USA where it is colder more than warmer than refrigeration temperatures. I put the refrigerator in an insulated cavity on an outside wall with vents (manually operated) to allow more and/or less access to outside air. The primary purpose of regulation was to keep the refrigerator from freezing. Since the refrigerator itself is also insulated, it averages temperatures over time and freezing has not been a problem, so vent operation is very minimal. In summer the (normal electric) refrigerator blows its waste heat (and noise) outside. Spring and Fall, the compressor sometimes comes on and works efficiently against cool outdoor temperatures. I'm installing a small chest freezer using same principles. I had ruled out a freezer due to excessive power consumption before the north wall concept. Small, personal innovation can produce satisfaction beyond savings. How nice that is. Tom Thiel On 10 Jan, 2008, at 9:47 AM, Thomas Kelly wrote: Hi Chip, You wrote: And yes, for the record, I am not a big fan of 'payback costs' when it comes to passive vs utility consumption. When the power goes out, passive systems continue to work. Some aspects of payback can be difficult to quantify or even anticipate. Gardening: Shovel $37 (US) Rake ($26) Pitchfork ($32) Hoe ($30) Small Hand Tools ($76) Seeds/Plants $__, etc. The experience of gardening; growing your own food: Priceless. While one could argue that vegetable gardening is profitable, what about flower gardens? What about people who grow fruits and vegetables and give most of them away w/o concern for payback period? Some things that are simply joyful ... as in full of joy. We take joy in doing them.. Some take joy in the little dollops of independence that we feel by producing our own food or by getting off the grid. I wouldn't know how to put a price on joy or independence. It certainly is an interesting refrigerator. When I see a creative idea/design implemented by human hands it takes on the qualities of art. Pouring a cold glass of milk from the interesting refrigerator . priceless. Not so much to jump on the question re; payback period for the refrigerator; it is a valid question. They did mention in the section Solar Electricity that they would have had to pay $30,000 to run wiring to their home. It might be that given their situation, the interesting refrigerator made perfect economical sense as well; another example of appropriate technology. Thanks for the original post Kirk. I've been playing around with some ideas for at least pre-heating water going to my boiler (heat hot water)using a solar collector and maybe even my woodstove, to lower the amount of fuel I use. Tom - Original Message - From: Chip Mefford [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 8:01 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] interesting refrigerator John Mullan wrote: I've seen that before. Excellent idea. I wonder how much all that copper, insulation, etc. would cost (for purpose of payback period)? When calculating the 'payback period' be sure to deduct (or add) the cost of a couple of medium term power outages, as folks all across the mid-west have seen over the last few winters. And yes, for the record, I am not a big fan of 'payback costs' when it comes to passive vs utility consumption. When the power goes out, passive systems continue to work. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list
Re: [Biofuel] interesting refrigerator
Hello Tom,
Thank you so much for your post.
Nice of you to say.
Regarding refrigeration: it is a significant energy user and when watts
are precious we take notice. My solution is quite simple in our cold
climate of Northern New Hampshire USA where it is colder more than
warmer than refrigeration temperatures.
{snip}
Your solution makes perfect sense. Why use those precious watts to cool
something when there's plenty of cool on the other side of the wall?
Small, personal innovation can produce satisfaction beyond savings.
How nice that is.
Well said.
Tom K.
- Original Message -
From: Tom Thiel [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 11:08 AM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] interesting refrigerator
Hi Tom,
Thank you so much for your post.
We've been way back for 5 years and the decision tree is quite
different from that of the plug in culture.
Regarding refrigeration: it is a significant energy user and when watts
are precious we take notice. My solution is quite simple in our cold
climate of Northern New Hampshire USA where it is colder more than
warmer than refrigeration temperatures. I put the refrigerator in an
insulated cavity on an outside wall with vents (manually operated) to
allow more and/or less access to outside air. The primary purpose of
regulation was to keep the refrigerator from freezing. Since the
refrigerator itself is also insulated, it averages temperatures over
time and freezing has not been a problem, so vent operation is very
minimal. In summer the (normal electric) refrigerator blows its waste
heat (and noise) outside. Spring and Fall, the compressor sometimes
comes on and works efficiently against cool outdoor temperatures.
I'm installing a small chest freezer using same principles. I had ruled
out a freezer due to excessive power consumption before the north
wall concept.
Small, personal innovation can produce satisfaction beyond savings. How
nice that is.
Tom Thiel
On 10 Jan, 2008, at 9:47 AM, Thomas Kelly wrote:
Hi Chip,
You wrote:
And yes, for the record, I am not a big fan of 'payback costs'
when it comes to passive vs utility consumption.
When the power goes out, passive systems continue to work.
Some aspects of payback can be difficult to quantify or even
anticipate.
Gardening:
Shovel $37 (US)
Rake ($26)
Pitchfork ($32)
Hoe ($30)
Small Hand Tools ($76)
Seeds/Plants $__, etc.
The experience of gardening; growing your own food: Priceless.
While one could argue that vegetable gardening is profitable,
what
about flower gardens? What about people who grow fruits and vegetables
and
give most of them away w/o concern for payback period?
Some things that are simply joyful ... as in full of joy. We take
joy
in doing them.. Some take joy in the little dollops of independence
that we
feel by producing our own food or by getting off the grid. I wouldn't
know
how to put a price on joy or independence.
It certainly is an interesting refrigerator. When I see a
creative
idea/design implemented by human hands it takes on the qualities of
art.
Pouring a cold glass of milk from the interesting refrigerator
.
priceless.
Not so much to jump on the question re; payback period for the
refrigerator; it is a valid question. They did mention in the section
Solar
Electricity that they would have had to pay $30,000 to run wiring to
their
home. It might be that given their situation, the interesting
refrigerator
made perfect economical sense as well; another example of appropriate
technology.
Thanks for the original post Kirk. I've been playing around with
some
ideas for at least pre-heating water going to my boiler (heat hot
water)using a solar collector and maybe even my woodstove, to lower the
amount of fuel I use.
Tom
- Original Message -
From: Chip Mefford [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 8:01 AM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] interesting refrigerator
John Mullan wrote:
I've seen that before. Excellent idea. I wonder how much all that
copper, insulation, etc. would cost (for purpose of payback period)?
When calculating the 'payback period' be sure to deduct (or add)
the cost of a couple of medium term power outages, as folks all
across the mid-west have seen over the last few winters.
And yes, for the record, I am not a big fan of 'payback costs'
when it comes to passive vs utility consumption.
When the power goes out, passive systems continue to work.
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Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: Cute Video with important messages
David, You wrote: The local farmers here love Wal-Mart! I don't know where your here is. I also don't know if things have changed dramatically in the last year or so but I was visiting friends in Florida (southern US) during September of '06. I commented that I thought there would be better produce in their supermarkets. The tomatoes, peaches and strawberries reminded me of what is available in December. I was told that they, the friends, bought most of their produce from local farm markets rather than from the large supermarkets. On the way home to New York, I stopped at a farm stand in Georgia, the peach state, and bought half a bushel of fresh, delicious peaches. I asked if I could get the same local peaches in Walmart and was told No. The young lady told me that the large supermarket chains deal with suppliers that can deliver peaches, and other fruit and vegetables, all year round. The local farmers can't do that. Their produce was sold at farm stands, farmer's markets, and some of the small local markets . not the larger supermarket chains. When I returned home I spoke to the owner of our small, local market. He seemed to agree with what I was told. He dealt with a distributor that could assure delivery of produce year round. He does offer local produce during the spring, summer and into the fall. I've heard that the Walmarts of the world are now offering organic produce. I have neither seen nor heard of them featuring locally-produced meats or produce. Maybe things have changed. Maybe your here is very different from my here. Tom - Original Message - From: David Lawson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 11:05 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: Cute Video with important messages What exactly is so wrong with Big Box Stores? I can go to one store and buy most everything I need and granted some things I don't really need but want just the same. I don't have to drive 15 miles to five different locations to buy the things I can buy at one location. It is not just about convenience but about efficiency both in my time as well as resources. Think about the overall resources to get products to five different stores or five products to one store! It is not just about my efficiency but about the efficiency at which we use all resources. My local box store buys 90% of its fresh produce from local suppliers when it is available. So instead of driving 24 miles one way to the farmers market I can go less than 1 mile round trip to buy the very same produce. Regards, David Chip Mefford [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kirk McLoren wrote: Cute video, 9 min, with some important messages about consumption. http://www.alternet.org/blogs/workplace/73239/ This film was selected for the 2008 Sonoma Environmental Film Festival. It is a cute video. But I have some issues with it. Is this about big box vs local business? or is it just yet still another slam against WallMart? Near as I can tell, it's just more slamming of WallMart. That's just fine with me on one level. WallMart certainly has it coming. But on many other levels, I think it's mostly a waste of time, and here's some reasons why. The video isn't going to change anyone's point of view, I don't think. Folks who still accept the WallMart model, are under much more pressure from WallMart than they are from local businesses. This pressure is well understood by folks who have built up the consumer mindset over the last 150-200 years quite well. It's subliminal and quite powerful. The wallmart overlords (heh) understand it really well. Hence the push for the green paint, all the hype about skylighting, 'organic' groceries, etc. This (effective) approach at heading off 'doubts' in the mind of the 'consumer' works. Being of a skeptical (and yes, ofttimes cynical) mindset, noise from wallmart about organic sets off alarm bells with me. But not with 'joe public consumer'. Attacking WallMart outright, as this video does, just shuts 'joe public consumer' down, and closes out any discussion. 'Jpc' already has their mind made up, and attacks neatly sidestep the debate. Folks who understand how debates work, know what I mean. IMO, a better approach would have been a stronger 'sales pitch' of the local business, farmers market and a lot less pejorative coverage of the big box. Just from a point of debate, there is a lot of apples vs oranges in that video. I see this more and more in short videos of this sort. In my quite limited experience, there are 'broad scale' farmers who are really good folks, and small scale farmer's market types who are complete jerks. That said, the trend is quite clear. There is optimism, and there is pessimism. There is advocacy and there is criticism. For some reason, there seems to be a lot of focus on criticism
Re: [Biofuel] We need these cars
Hi Kurt, Maybe having fewer cars will help our environment but why not take that a big step forward and have both fewer cars and non polluting cars? Also, why not have non polluting trucks, trains and ships? Just working on one commitment is not enough. Only conservation or only carbon free transportation is not enough to drastically reduce global warming. We need to do both. Terry Dyck Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 09:05:40 -0500 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] We need these cars Kirk McLoren wrote: The ZENN (zero emissions no noise) car. Video, 10 min http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8M88k6Ipp3cI respectfully beg to differ. We need -fewer- cars, rather than more or equivalent numbers of quiet cars. -Kurt ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ _ Read what Santa`s been up to! For all the latest, visit asksantaclaus.spaces.live.com! http://asksantaclaus.spaces.live.com/ -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20080112/9a8c87c7/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: Cute Video with important messages
Hi Chip, Excellent video. Independant merchants do not need over paid CEO's and underpaid staff and slave wages for the 3rd world manufacturing workers. The cruelty to factory farmed chickens is really terifying. If every one patronized independent local stores more we could solve a lot of problems, including better more satisfying employment for people and more protection for the environment. Terry Dyck Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 09:41:49 -0500 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: Cute Video with important messages Kirk McLoren wrote: Cute video, 9 min, with some important messages about consumption. http://www.alternet.org/blogs/workplace/73239/This film was selected for the 2008 Sonoma Environmental Film Festival. It is a cute video. But I have some issues with it. Is this about big box vs local business? or is it just yet still another slam against WallMart? Near as I can tell, it's just more slamming of WallMart. That's just fine with me on one level. WallMart certainly has it coming. But on many other levels, I think it's mostly a waste of time, and here's some reasons why. The video isn't going to change anyone's point of view, I don't think. Folks who still accept the WallMart model, are under much more pressure from WallMart than they are from local businesses. This pressure is well understood by folks who have built up the consumer mindset over the last 150-200 years quite well. It's subliminal and quite powerful. The wallmart overlords (heh) understand it really well. Hence the push for the green paint, all the hype about skylighting, 'organic' groceries, etc. This (effective) approach at heading off 'doubts' in the mind of the 'consumer' works. Being of a skeptical (and yes, ofttimes cynical) mindset, noise from wallmart about organic sets off alarm bells with me. But not with 'joe public consumer'. Attacking WallMart outright, as this video does, just shuts 'joe public consumer' down, and closes out any discussion. 'Jpc' already has their mind made up, and attacks neatly sidestep the debate. Folks who understand how debates work, know what I mean. IMO, a better approach would have been a stronger 'sales pitch' of the local business, farmers market and a lot less pejorative coverage of the big box. Just from a point of debate, there is a lot of apples vs oranges in that video. I see this more and more in short videos of this sort. In my quite limited experience, there are 'broad scale' farmers who are really good folks, and small scale farmer's market types who are complete jerks. That said, the trend is quite clear. There is optimism, and there is pessimism. There is advocacy and there is criticism. For some reason, there seems to be a lot of focus on criticism before advocacy. I'm not sure that's the best approach, for very many reasons. I could nitpick this video, there are problems with the facts as presented. But so what? I'd rather advocate for small/local businesses and small/local growers/diaries/farms. End of the day, for a legion of reasons, the Big-Box approach is fundamentally broken, it won't work out in the long run and so, I'd say, pay them no more mind (or money :) Focus on what works, will work, and get on with it. The more you live this, the more you'll find friends/co-workers/acquaintances with questions. You can refer them to this list :) -- ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ _ Exercise your brain! Try Flexicon! http://puzzles.sympatico.msn.ca/chicktionary/index.html?icid=htmlsig -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20080112/eab541cd/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
