Re: [Biofuel] Colloidal Silver Has Mainstream Medicine Singing the Blues
Not bad coverage. Pity about the Godwin's Law infringements with storm troopers etc, it only weakens the force of the argument. Re this: For example, only the makers of FDA approved drugs can use the word cure, or even imply any health benefits without the FDA considering the product a drug. The catch is that in order to be FDA approved, no matter how many PubMed cited studies or other studies have been performed, and no matter how much of a history of hundreds or thousands of years and users, the FDA only approves drugs that go through its specific approval process --- one that costs hundreds of billions of dollars. Could that be right? It really costs hundreds of billions of dollars to get a drug approved? Does it cost even hundreds of millions? Best Keith Colloidal Silver Has Mainstream Medicine Singing the Blues Tuesday, February 26, 2008 by: Tony Isaacs, citizen journalist _http://www.naturalnews.com/022728.html_ (http://www.naturalnews.com/022728.html) (NaturalNews) The recent widespread mainstream media coverage of the **blue man** Paul Karason and his rare skin condition known as Argyria is the latest in a series of largely misleading and sensationalized scare stories about the dangers of colloidal silver turning a person`s skin blue. Although this latest story did not appear to originate from mainstream medicine or the FDA, there is little doubt that they have welcomed it with open arms and have been quick to trot out **medical experts** and past FDA warnings to help **sing the blues** about colloidal silver. The truth is that mainstream medicine has a very good reason to cry long and loud about colloidal silver, because it does represent a very real danger - a danger to the huge profits of the pharmaceutical industry*s patented antibiotics. The truth is that silver has been used effectively by mankind to fight germs and ailments for thousands of years, and the instances of modern use of colloidal silver turning people*s skin blue are so rare as to be almost non-existent - and unlike thousands of prescribed and approved over-the-counter mainstream medications including the common aspirin, silver has never killed anyone. As a matter of fact, almost all of the relative handful of reported instances have involved one or more of the following: older silver products that contained as much as 10% or more silver (compared to mere parts per million in modern colloidal silver), silver nitrate, home made colloidal silver that was contaminated with salt, and silver that has been consumed continuously in very large quantities over a very long period of time. In the case of Karason, he made his own ionic silver at home for almost two decades and for many years consumed a quart or more per day. I daresay that any prescribed or over-the-counter medication whose recommended dosage was a couple of teaspoons a day would do far worse than turn a person blue if they drank a quart or more of it a year! For the sake of comparison, drinking a quart or more per day of colloidal silver would be like a person taking several bottles of aspirin a day, a practice that would be lethal in short order. Karason actually appears to enjoy his notoriety as the Papa Smurf blue man, and even though he sings the praises of how colloidal silver saved his life and the many ailments he believes it cured, the focus of attention is on his blue skin - a condition that is actually reversible with proper diet and herbal cleanses despite mainstream claims to the contrary. What is also true about colloidal silver is that it is far safer, more effective and less expensive than the marginally effective and side effect laden mainstream antibiotics - and has mainstream and university studies proving it dating back to the early 1900*s. The best and strongest of the FDA approved antibiotics are effective for a handful of bacteria at best, whereas colloidal silver is supremely effective against just about every kind of single celled pathogen, including bacteria, fungal growths and viruses (which antibiotics are often wrongly prescribed for, despite the fact that antibiotics have no effect on viruses). If the public were told the truth, a rarity when it comes to mainstream drugs versus natural competition, colloidal silver would represent a huge threat to literally billions of dollars of profits and so it is no wonder that mainstream medicine and their allies in the mainstream media are once again loudly singing the blues - just as they have repeatedly done in the past with misleading stories and studies about a great many popular natural plants, supplements, vitamins and minerals that represent threats to mainstream drug profits because they are safer, more effective and less expensive alternatives to the unnatural, side effect laden, hugely expensive and marginally effective synthetics created in the labs of the powerful world pharmaceutical empire. While there
Re: [Biofuel] Colloidal Silver Has Mainstream Medicine Singing the Blues
Keith, Keith Addison wrote: For example, only the makers of FDA approved drugs can use the word cure... [and] the FDA only approves drugs that go through its specific approval process --- one that costs hundreds of billions of dollars. Could that be right? It really costs hundreds of billions of dollars to get a drug approved? Does it cost even hundreds of millions? As someone who once ran a medical device company, and spent many a long hour dealing with FDA, I can affirm that the FDA is like the IRS, except they have no mercy, and the audits go on for years unending. It does not cost hundreds of billions, however. Such price tags are reserved for the morass of war. Not even the conquest of AIDS in Africa would be that expensive. That said, drug approval is often more expensive than device approval. Devices can often be approved after fairly small trials consisting of 100-200 people. When trying to gain approval for a drug, by contrast (after demonstrating sufficient safety in smaller trials), sometimes one must try to tease out fairly subtle health improvements or rare complications, and either requires many, many warm bodies. For example, NSAIDs, drugs that help prevent heart problems, must be given to enough people over a long enough time to demonstrate that there is sufficient positive reason to use them and a lack of a negative reason to avoid them. A 25% improvement in a problem or reduction in a complication that may afflict only a few tenths or hundredths of a percent of a certain population may require thousands of participants in a long-term drug trial before statistical certitude is sufficient. As implied, I often found dealing with the FDA to be like living in one of the circles of hell. In spite of all of it, however, I think the system is basically sound and that the ideas underlying it are reasonable. Of course we need to test drugs. Of course we need to have solid evidence of safety and efficacy. Science actually works. d. -- David William House The Complete Biogas Handbook |www.completebiogas.com| Make no search for water. But find thirst, And water from the very ground will burst. (Rumi, a Persian mystic poet, quoted in /Delight of Hearts/, p. 77) http://bahai.us/ -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20090505/3ad22bc3/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Colloidal Silver Has Mainstream Medicine Singing the Blues
Hello David Keith, Keith Addison wrote: For example, only the makers of FDA approved drugs can use the word cure... [and] the FDA only approves drugs that go through its specific approval process --- one that costs hundreds of billions of dollars. Could that be right? It really costs hundreds of billions of dollars to get a drug approved? Does it cost even hundreds of millions? As someone who once ran a medical device company, and spent many a long hour dealing with FDA, I can affirm that the FDA is like the IRS, except they have no mercy, The IRS has mercy? If so it seems to get left out in the telling, the way Americans tend to tell it. and the audits go on for years unending. It does not cost hundreds of billions, however. Such price tags are reserved for the morass of war. And handouts for Wall Street. Not even the conquest of AIDS in Africa would be that expensive. That said, drug approval is often more expensive than device approval. Devices can often be approved after fairly small trials consisting of 100-200 people. When trying to gain approval for a drug, by contrast (after demonstrating sufficient safety in smaller trials), sometimes one must try to tease out fairly subtle health improvements or rare complications, and either requires many, many warm bodies. For example, NSAIDs, drugs that help prevent heart problems, NSAIDs stands for Non-Steroidal Anti-Inflammatory Drugs. I'm aware that, as well as for the anti-inflammatory effect, they're used to lower fever and for pain relief, but (apart from aspirin) this is the first time I see them described as drugs that help prevent heart problems. A quick check finds that wikipedia says just the opposite: A recent meta-analysis of all trials comparing NSAIDs found an 80% increase in the risk of myocardial infarction with both newer COX-2 antagonists and high dose traditional anti-inflammatories compared with placebo. (Kearney et al., BMJ 2006;332:1302-1308) NSAIDs aside from (low-dose) aspirin are associated with a doubled risk of symptomatic heart failure in patients without a history of cardiac disease. In patients with such a history, however, use of NSAIDs (aside from low-dose aspirin) was associated with more than 10-fold increase in heart failure.[8] If this link is found to be causal, NSAIDs are estimated to be responsible for up to 20 percent of hospital admissions for congestive heart failure.[8] This is the footnote reference: http://archinte.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/full/160/6/777 Consumption of NSAIDs and the Development of Congestive Heart Failure in Elderly Patients An Underrecognized Public Health Problem John Page, MBBS(Hons); David Henry, MBChB Arch Intern Med. 2000;160:777-784. That's what I'd thought. (No I don't trust or rely on Wikipedia, though it's improving, but this checks out.) must be given to enough people over a long enough time to demonstrate that there is sufficient positive reason to use them and a lack of a negative reason to avoid them. A 25% improvement in a problem or reduction in a complication that may afflict only a few tenths or hundredths of a percent of a certain population may require thousands of participants in a long-term drug trial before statistical certitude is sufficient. As implied, I often found dealing with the FDA to be like living in one of the circles of hell. In spite of all of it, however, I think the system is basically sound and that the ideas underlying it are reasonable. Of course we need to test drugs. Of course we need to have solid evidence of safety and efficacy. Science actually works. Science does, yes, within its limitations, when it's allowed to. Too often it depends who's paying the piper. Equating science with the FDA is stretching it more than a little, as the colloidal silver article states truly enough, despite small confusions over costs, and there's certainly a great deal of unshakeable substantiation for that view, much of it in the list archives. This for instance, have a read (the whole series is in the archives): How a New Policy Led to Seven Deadly Drugs Los Angeles Times By DAVID WILLMAN, Times Staff Writer Wednesday, December 20, 2000 Medicine: Once a wary watchdog, the Food and Drug Administration set out to become a partner of the pharmaceutical industry. Today, the public has more remedies, but some are proving lethal. http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg54672.html It seems to be more the rule than the exception. On the other hand, it's a little hard these days to find solid evidence that the FDA is more a part of the solution than part of the problem. It's just another piper to be paid for. I don't understand how you can state that the system is basically sound, it's obvious that it's not sound. Not any part of it is sound (and not just in the US, though especially there). The real question is whether or not it's beyond repair. To go back to the question: Could
[Biofuel] How a New Policy Led to Seven Deadly Drugs - links to full text
How a New Policy Led to Seven Deadly Drugs Los Angeles Times By DAVID WILLMAN, Times Staff Writer [more] Wednesday, December 20, 2000 Medicine: Once a wary watchdog, the Food and Drug Administration set out to become a partner of the pharmaceutical industry. Today, the public has more remedies, but some are proving lethal. http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg54672.html PROPULSID: A Heartburn Drug, Now Linked to Children's Deaths http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg54683.html RAXAR: Warning on Label Omits Deaths http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg54680.html REDUX: Unheeded Warnings on Lethal Diet Pill http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg54673.html DURACT: Painkiller Posed Risk of Damage to Liver http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg54667.html POSICOR: 143 Sudden Deaths Did Not Stop Approval http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg54675.html LOTRONEX: Officer Foresaw Deadly Effects http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg54668.html REZULIN: Fast-Track Approval and a Slow Withdrawal http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg54669.html RELENZA: Official Asks If One Day Less of Flu Is Worth It http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg54677.html Also: A Girl Is Given an Adult Medicine and She Pays a Heavy Price http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg54665.html A Long-Feared Drug Gets the Green Light (Thalidomide) http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg54671.html How Deaths Were Calculated http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg54674.html FDA Minimized Issue of Lotronex's Safety http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg54676.html Risk Was Known as FDA OKd Fatal Drug (Rezulin) http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg54670.html Drug Lotronex Pulled Over Safety Fears http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg54688.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
